A Sequel

[Omegas Eyes]

Sorry for the double post.

Throwing axe
Description: an axe that slices the air.
attack 35
defense 0
magic power 0
magic resistence 5
speed 1
Evasion -5

I thought this would be good because it adds an element to the Axe family. It also could be used to learn some unique abilities... or not.

[Wolf Kanno]

This is a pretty damn cool project. I just finished reading everything and have a few decent ideas if you are willing to listen...

I thought it would be interesting to have a group of bandits, masqerading as an invading army that appears early in the game. You could use them as a tutorial on how the system will work for all the newbies. The leader is a moogle, an adorable moogle who hides himself cause the fact is NO ONE can take an evil moogle seriously he could have two henchmen (A Bomb and Goblin) named Biggs and Wedge who are privy to his secret. You would have maybe three or four missions that deal with them, show off the system, add a little humor to what is turning out to be a dark game and then maybe see them time from time as the game goes along (I love darker, more intelligent stories but you can't always be serious people)

Now for the serious suggestion. I have an idea for a main "villian". One of the neutral countries is a religious Zealot state run by the "Holy Mother" their religion tells them to spread their teaching to other empires. They of course go on many holy wars and have truly warped this idea of their religion. The Holy Mother Rosalina, wishes to invade Ivalice so she may learn the secret behind the "laws" once she has this secret she hopes to create the "Divine Law" of her religion to subjegate the world and fulfill her mission. Now her High Chancellor, who is head of the kingdoms military, (I can't think of a good name for him) he was born in a small peacful kingdom that was conquered by this religious state when he was young. He lost his family and friends and then was subjegated by the rules and laws of this kingdom. He infiltrated the church in hopes of destroying it from the inside but shortly after reaching his post, the invasion of Ivalice began. Learning of Ivalices terrible power known as "Laws" he works in hopes of finding a way to destroy it, he believes in absolute freedom and feels that the power of "Law" is too dangerous. Sometimes he fights you as head of his army sometimes he helps you fight other kingdoms. Secretely he tries to slow down the efforts of his kingdom until he finally betrays and kills the Holy Mother.

One Idea of doing this would be to have his kingdom actually reach the Royal Palace and actually "conquer" Ivalice. Then he conspires with Babus and the new Judgemaster (I believe you mentioned there was a new one) and have her killed. Now for a controversial idea...

While studying Ivalice's power of law and seeking out the "seams" that created the crystals. He stumbles upon St. Ivalice, the world of absolute freedom, there he happens to meet Mewt. Recognizing him as the former Prince. He convinces him to return to fix the problem he started by first entering Ivalice. He convinces Mewt that he was the cause of the clan wars and his absence tore down the Judges control causing the civil strife that led to Ivalice being invaded by foreign powers. By returning with him, Mewt once again takes control of the throne and tries to stabilize Ivalice. There will be many touching scenes where Mewt talks with Babus, Ritz, and Marche. Mewt takes the blame on himself and asks them to help him restore Ivalice. I was hoping the new Judgemaster would try to take over Ivalice which eventually would have Babus call back Marche and Clan Nutsy to help Mewt and our villian to stop this Judgemaster. Afterwards, Mewt makes the villain become the new Judgemaster and he continues his research to destroy the laws completely. His time in St. Ivalice (The World of Absolute Freedom as he calls it) Inspires him to bring this freedom to his world. Once again, sometimes he helps you, sometimes he's against you cause he quickly figures out Marche has the best chance of stopping him so he may send you on dangerous missions that take you out of the country so he can finish his plans. Ultimate ly he would be a villian that asks the question of what is "True Freedom"?

Perhaps we can call his kingdom Larg, to keep with the FFT in-joke of Goltana being a country...

Any thoughts, questions, critiques?

[Frozen Phantom]

damn....never thought that idea for the sequel, that would be a kick ass ff story

[Wolf Kanno]

Thanks for the compliment

Anyway, I had another idea for a villian. A female general, from the (hopefully) Kingdom of Goltana. Her name is Maria Luvien, Her father was once the greatest military mind in her kingdom. He had many clashes with the Clans of Ivalice and in time grew to respect his enemies. He was known best for his ability to keep losses on both sides to a minimum. In his later years he traveled to the kingdom for various trade and political agreements. He fell in love with Ivalice and would bring Maria along to enjoy the foreign lands. But his oath of feality to the Royal Family kept him in his homelands. When the royal family began to set in motion the plans to invade Ivalice with the anti-law cards, he protested, wanting neither of the countries he loved to fall in ruin. He was quickly branded a traitor by his political enimies and was executed all for the sake of "His precious Ivalice"

Maria, though she loved her father, never truly understood him and his reasonings. She had become a product of the corrupted military/political machine of her country and only cared about promotions and glory for the state. She felt betrayed by her father and his death seemed to make something snap within her. She grew cold and ruthless and quickly rose to the rank her father held. Though the royal family wishes to conquer Ivalice for the prosperity of their own country, she has taken this as her own personal crusade to destroy the very thing that made her father betray his own country. The only thing that keeps her in check (though not entirely too effectively) is her tactician, Josef Strauss, the former tactician of her father and his closest friend. He tries desperately to get her to understand that her father had not betrayed his kingdom. Maria is ruthless in her campaign into Ivalice and actually burns down a few towns in her journey to the royal palace.

She has issues with Marche, a man who reminds her of her father in his youth, idealistic and naive about the true nature of the world. She becomes obsessed with proving to him that his hopes and idealism are pointless when faced with cruel reality. Ritz see's her as a rival, even secretly idolizes her for her strength. Ritz tries desperately to support Marche and help him overcome the vicious physical and psychological attacks of Maria.

She dismisses Josef from her unit and plans an attack on Cyril. She sets the city ablaze and has a showdown with Ritz and her clan. Josef, who saw the internal strife within Maria, tracks down Marche in hopes that he may talk Maria out of her insanity. Ritz and Maria have a duel in the burning city. Ritz wins the duel but refuses to kill Maria, saying it would be a waste to kill someone so strong and talented. Marai lunges while Ritz tries to walk away only for her attack to be deflected by Marche. Marche tries to talk some sense into her about her pointless revenge. Josef and her troops appear and explain that her father always put the lives of others before anyone. He didn't betray the kingdom, he tried to save both sides from the senseless carnage of war and destruction. Maria explains that she was always raised in the military and dealt heavily with the political regime of Goltana. She understood what made her father different from the others. He was "free". He was not bound by success, fame, and a need for glory like the others. He lived his life the way he wanted to live it, not the way others had told him he should have. Maria understands that she was a slave to her revenge and chained down by feelings of guilt since she herself also condemed her father. She tells Marche and Ritz how much she envy's them cause they both seem so "free" compared to her. She tells Marche that she hated her father and she hated him, with that she walks into the flames of the very inferno she created and dies peacefully.

Sorry it's so long, I'm still not completely happy with this character and would love some feedback. I'm also thinking of another character a "Merchant of Death" who hails from the snowy mountain, machine Kingdom. But I'm still trying to work out a more original idea with him that fits into the FFTA world.

[NINJA_Ryu]

uum, in the last paragraph of your first post, when you went into njudgemaster bringing back marche and mewt, but then something about tunrinng him into the villian, or something about the villian, that was confusing on my part.

and for your charachter, personally for me it seems too sudden of a change, perhaps over time, by the carnage she has dealt, she begins to question the reasoning behind it?

[Skyblade]

and for your charachter, personally for me it seems too sudden of a change, perhaps over time, by the carnage she has dealt, she begins to question the reasoning behind it?

That is easy to fix. A little plot tweaking, some more missions. Having a bad guy join you is a very old, well respected RPG cliché. If your only problem with it is how suddenly it happens, that can be dealt with.

I haven't read your posts yet, Wolf, for which I apologize. I'm a little busy right now, but I'll read them and respond to them later.

[Wolf Kanno]

uum, in the last paragraph of your first post, when you went into njudgemaster bringing back marche and mewt, but then something about tunrinng him into the villian, or something about the villian, that was confusing on my part.

Sorry about that, I fixed it. I usually do my best thinking at 2 or 3 in the morning and as a result, my grammar and spelling take a dive. I meant Babus (or Mewt and even my nameless villian) would call back Marche to help them stop the Judgemaster.

and for your charachter, personally for me it seems too sudden of a change, perhaps over time, by the carnage she has dealt, she begins to question the reasoning behind it?

She is still a work in process, I personally don't like how she came out but I wanted to make a strong female villian. I'm open to any suggestions so the thought of her questioning her own methods would work as long as we build around that. Perhaps she saves a small child after one of her campaigns and begins to slowly realize she may have gone too far. Hell, perhaps she begins to train the said youth and turn him/her into soldier (the child could always look up to her as her savior and devotes themselves to her). Basically she's just a framework of what I was hoping to create, she still needs more originality and depth though...

Sky, don't worry, I know you are busy and with this undertaking you definetly have more on your mind, so take your time. I only hope that you like a few of my ideas cause I want to help. Though I'm really proud of my "main villian" character, I'm up for critiques or suggestions. Any ideas for a name though? :mog:

[NINJA_Ryu]

Alara, is a name that just strikes my mind, and for your female villian, and your main villian, if they have times of redemption, you need a period of time/moment when they are at thier best (the heroes worst) and at the time of thier worst(heroes best) in order to effectively convey the struggle of im assuming is a good vs. evil

although in this story, i am coming under the assumption that this will play out more as a grayed out story? with neither side both white or black in appearance, demenaor, or ideologies.

[Skyblade]

although in this story, i am coming under the assumption that this will play out more as a grayed out story? with neither side both white or black in appearance, demenaor, or ideologies.

What gave you that idea?

[Wolf Kanno]

Alara, is a name that just strikes my mind, and for your female villian, and your main villian, if they have times of redemption, you need a period of time/moment when they are at thier best (the heroes worst) and at the time of thier worst(heroes best) in order to effectively convey the struggle of im assuming is a good vs. evil

Alara is a good name, and I do intend to flesh out both characters as long as Skyblade "green lights" it. I have a few other ideas of scenes and character relations I want to do but I sorta've wanted to know where Skyblade wants to go with the story (btw sorry about putting you on the spot like this Skyblade, but I do consider this your project and I don't want to seen as some annoying nobody who comes in and starts spouting orders about how it's going to be )

although in this story, i am coming under the assumption that this will play out more as a grayed out story? with neither side both white or black in appearance, demenaor, or ideologies.

For my "main villian" character, he may be on an opposing side but he is pretty much is a good guy. I wanted to continue one of the major themes from the original FFTA which was the "moral dilemna" On the one hand, my villian is fighting to rid the world of the "Laws" cause he feels it goes against basic rights of living things. On the other hand, Ivalice needs the "Laws" to maintain their peace and prosperity. On the one hand, he's saving people from a potential threat (remember, his own kingdom invaded in hopes of using the power of the "laws" to conquer other kingdoms) but on the other hand, it's the main defense system that keeps Ivalice from entering senseless wars. Even though other countries have found the power of the anti-law cards, the casulties and destruction are still likely kept to a minimum because of the power of the "laws".

So I guess you could say I was going for a "grey area" with him but I was hoping that each kingdom would have characters that represent the different aspects of the conflict. This is why I'm having problems with my female villian, she might work in say FFT but somehow, she is missing the qualities that make her work in the FFTA world. That and I'm starting to feel that I made her too tied up in her past. I want her to be more of her "own person" and not some victim of circumstances. I guess what I'm really getting at, is where does she fit in, in the grand scheme of things within the world? I can't really answer that and that is why she really bothers me.

I'm thinking for the "Merchant of Death" character, he would be either a Bangaa or Nu Muo. He wouldn't be just selling weapons. He also deals with the foreign blackmarket trade of the Anti-Law cards. All I really have planned out is that his base of operations is on an airship and he travels around selling his wares. I also wanted him to play all the sides against each other as a true Merchant of Death would do.

Thanks for the comments and suggestions though

[Skyblade]

The moral dilemma is a longstanding FF tradition, but not for the main villain.

[Wolf Kanno]

That's true, but you have to admit that the Tactics team at SE has always done it the best

[NINJA_Ryu]

From the impression i recieved from reading that this was a more dark and involved story, classes, villians and heroes, in conflict, who is right and who is wrong is blurred by what they think, what thier enemies think, and propaganda by both sides.

Or, i could of just read it all completely wrong ><

[Wolf Kanno]

That was my impression as well, I guess we'll have to wait for Skyblade to tell us his "Grand Scheme"

On a side note, I had a request/suggestion about character classes. First, any chance of being able to choose the sex of your recruits like FFT? Although, I'm guessing that the Viera will be all female and the Bangaa will be all male (can't quite imagine what the opposite sex would look like for both races without blacking out from the horror of the image ) Secondly, I started playing through FFTA to get the feel of the game again and I never realized just how horribly powerful the Fighter class is for humans... Any chance you may remove it and split it into a Monk and Samurai class to be a little more balanced. (Seriously, one fighter and one Illusionist can take out just about everything in a fight except for a Boss character) It's just a suggestion though...

[Skyblade]

From the impression i recieved from reading that this was a more dark and involved story, classes, villians and heroes, in conflict, who is right and who is wrong is blurred by what they think, what thier enemies think, and propaganda by both sides.

Or, i could of just read it all completely wrong ><

That wasn't really what I was thinking at all. The game is going to be darker and more involved, but the twisting of which side is right and which is wrong is not going to be included. Even with a clearly defined good side and bad side, you can have a darker mood to the game and a more serious plot. But the good guys will remain good guys.