GUNZ !!! BANG!

[Alastair|UK]

damn...I thought you were talking about Gunz the duel...

in real life no....what? you really think a 14 year old would have guns...stop looking at me I have nothing to hide....

im 13

[Quindiana Jones]

3 snips on the first page. LOL.

To the squirrel lover upstairs: kill grey squirrels. They evil, and edible. Red squirrels are pretty and nice and not edible. Says I.

To the topic: Guns. Suck.

[Roto13]

damn...I thought you were talking about Gunz the duel... :(

in real life no....what? you really think a 14 year old would have guns...stop looking at me I have nothing to hide....

im 13 :D

I don't like the fact that you have the means to kill people.

[escobert]

Pretty much everyone agrees that carrying around a sharp stick is okay. Pretty much everyone agrees that having a nuclear bomb in your basement is not okay. Where you draw the line between those is ultimately arbitrary.

I think people should be allowed to have guns. Hunting rifles and handguns, at least. I can't think of any possible reason to allow automatic rifles or hand grenades or worse, so I would be okay with those being outlawed to the public.

New Hampshire is the only state I know which allows anyone in the public to carry a concealed weapon, and its crime numbers are very low.

New Hampshire is also ghey but that's because I'm in Vermont New hampshire is actually quite strict on buying guns and such and they are mean about guns period, however in teh state of Vermont I can carry a loaded pistol on my side anywhere except school grounds of a court house. Yes that means I can walk into the state house with my gun and they cannot take it away. This is why I lvoe vermont. In vermont personal freedoms > all. I can take my gun put it to your head and say "I'm going to kill you" and I can have 45 cops around and not one can do a thing about it. That is my right to say and do what I want as long as I am not killing that person. The cops couldn't legally touch me until I pull the trigger. now, yes this is very stupid in crime prevention but it shows Vermont values our freedom.

[theundeadhero]

Simple subjectivism is no way to debate. I don't like something so it shouldn't be. :rolleyes2

Missouri allows concealed weapons, and I believe Florida and California does too.

Guns kill people, yes, but if that person wants to kill you they will do it. If not with a gun, then with a sharp stick or a car. Taking away the right to own one doesn't change that.

Guns do not go off at any given moment. They go off when the trigger is pulled, or when carelessly left loaded and then mishandled.

[Miriel]

Guns kill people, yes, but if that person wants to kill you they will do it. If not with a gun, then with a sharp stick or a car. Taking away the right to own one doesn't change that.

I've always hated that arguement as well. As though everyone who is capable of killing with a gun is also capable of killing in a more... I guess "personal" manner. I don't think that's the case at all. Sure, if someone is really out to get you I'm sure they find some way to do it. But I don't think most gun-related deaths are about a "Omg I'm gonna kill you no matter what!!" vendetta.

I think many many many more people have the guts to just drive by and shoot someone than they have the guts to go up to their face and slit their throats or something.

And I don't see what's wrong with someone saying, "I don't like guns, I don't think they should be allowed." It's just their opinions, it's not like most people seriously think that just because they don't like something that it's gonna be abolished. It's not like they're arguing about it in front of congress. It's just a simple statement of personal opinion.

[Alastair|UK]

damn...I thought you were talking about Gunz the duel...

in real life no....what? you really think a 14 year old would have guns...stop looking at me I have nothing to hide....

im 13

I don't like the fact that you have the means to kill people.

dont worry as irresponisble as i can be im responsible when its something import like So

[theundeadhero]

I think many many many more people have the guts to just drive by and shoot someone than they have the guts to go up to their face and slit their throats or something.

How many of the people who do drive-byes aquire the gun illegally? How many would still aquire the gun illegally if all guns were illegal to own? I would say a majority.

And I don't see what's wrong with someone saying, "I don't like guns, I don't think they should be allowed." It's just their opinions, it's not like most people seriously think that just because they don't like something that it's gonna be abolished.

If they're just stating their opinion then I agree it's fine. If being used as an argumentive statement, then it just doesn't make sense.

[Shaun]

Bang bang - you're dead... fifty bullets in the head.

[BarelySeeAtAll]

i wish i had a gun, you would all be even more scared of me then!

[Ultima Shadow]

To all those who talk about guns and freedom and whatever:

So... do you guys want "absolute freedom"? ... in other words, being able to kill, rape, robe whoever you want whenever you want and always get away with it? Laws exist for a reason. While security may limmit our so-called "freedom", I think it's a fair trade. I'm not against ownership of guns. But being able to freely walk around with a concealed gun outside and point it at whoever you want is absolutely ridicolous. Owning a gun and being able to use it however you want is not freedom. It's insanity.

If the defination of freedom is "being able to do whatever you want and not having to take any responsibility", then complete freedom is nothing but chaos. And chaos is usually not a very good thing. Freedom IS better off being limmited to a certain extent, as long as you're still able to walk your own path trough life, make your own decisions, have your own oppinions and thoughts etc...

That's the only freedom anyone really needs. Being able to walk around with concealed guns really isn't needed.


Well, that's how I see it anyways.


Now, from a more personal point of view (and please note: I'm NOT debatting anything here, just speaking freely) I also disslike guns as a weapon because you have no controll over the amount of power that you're going to strike with. And I also consider them cheap. Being able to win a fight by simply pulling a trigger isn't fair-play in my book. A REAL man fights with a spoon!

Edit:

In Canada, we don't need to protect ourselves with guns because we don't need that kind of protection. There are other ways to protect one's self, and most of the time there is no need for protection.

Same over here. And I'm glad for that.


Also, I remember someone saying something about "taking away the right to defend themselves" in this thread. I won't bother to scroll trough the thread again just to see who it was, but: Taking away your gun is hardly taking away your right to defend yourself. In fact, there's much better and more realible ways to defend yourself (if you'll actually ever even need to do that) than threatening, whoever you want to defend yourself from, with a gun.

[Dell]

Guns are scary and dangerous.

Agreed. In addition, just hearing a gun's shot can make me faint. And to see a gun aimed at me could kill me before the gun can kill me.

[NorthernChaosGod]

You need a permit to own a gun, period. You need a separate permit to be able to carry a concealed weapon.

They don't hand out permits to just anyone, they require background checks and that includes a check of a person's mental health. Quit your bitchin'.

[Yamaneko]

People don't need guns. Should they be allowed to own guns? Yes. Within legislative restrictions, of course.

[blackmage_nuke]

I don't mind guns, but I won't get one unless I need one. However, I am strongly against the statement, "guns kill people". That's like saying your pencil makes spelling errors.

Yes they do, thats why there are barely any spelling errors in hyroglyphics and other ingraved messages. The pencil causes people to make more spelling errors just as the guns cause people to kill people. If we didnt use pencils and ingraved all our writing we would probably have less spelling errors, if we didnt have guns and carried pointy sticks or stunners we would probably have less killings.

Of course spelling errors are not serious, murders are, thats why no one is against pencils.