It disgusts me that society is so emasculated in this country as to deny people the chance to adequately defend themselves. I am a strong supporter of gun ownership, not just on moral grounds but because they have been proven (Kleck study) to significantly reduce crime.
I think the biggest problem in all of this is that so many people are focusing on the whole guns for defense, on both sides of the argument. On the side that's against the rights to own guns, I agree that it's stupid for civillians to carry around guns to defend themselves. On the side of defending gun rights, I agree that people should have the right to own firearms. The difference is in what the firearms are used for.
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Wisely spoken. And I agree.Originally Posted by theundeadhero
a gun cannot be used for defense...it's like saying
'we bombed them to defend ourselves'
...the defense becomes an offense as soon as you pull out your gun and point it at someone. using guns for defense is not even a last resort, it simply doesn't exist.
i own five guns, none of which are handguns, and none of which i would use to defend myself...indeed it would be impossible to use them for defense anyway, since they are locked and unloaded, and the ammunition is locked away elsewhere.
the laws 'up here' are pretty straightforward and effective, and strict as they are, i find them acceptable for owning such dangerous machines. outside of a war, people have no need for guns, period. i use them for recreation, such as marksmanship and hunting. i have a nice collection but these guns are locked away 11 months of the year.
guns are cool and sexy and dangerous, in film and tv they are portrayed as tools, weapons, symbols, etc. and they are very much a part of our modern lives due to conflicts, both real and imagined. guns have changed the face of our world for better and worse, and without them we wouldn't be where we are now, also for better or worse.
Que? You may want to go to www.dictionary.com and double-check the respective meanings of the words "offense" and "defense".
o. i just thought that pulling a gun on someone was an act of aggression, whether or not they had one pointed at you in the first placeQue? You may want to go to www.dictionary.com and double-check the respective meanings of the words "offense" and "defense".
oh wait...it is
Gunz okay lets see um I have...um 25 different guns I own i collect all different kind of weapons along with ammo... I am a gun collector I have many rare ones and I am happy with it...I think I only use guns to hunt for survival and i rather use my fists to defend me.
Chuckles I guess I will help. But it will cost you your soul.
By that logic, there is no such thing as self-defense.o. i just thought that pulling a gun on someone was an act of aggression, whether or not they had one pointed at you in the first placeQue? You may want to go to www.dictionary.com and double-check the respective meanings of the words "offense" and "defense".
oh wait...it is
...which is why if someone is caught wearing a bullet proof vest they can be charged
... what?
Safety: To me, safety is directly related to my rights and freedoms as a Canadian. I would easily see it as a freedom, a right, to know that my country has safe gun laws.
Stats: These are a comparison of gun-related homocides in 1998 for several countries (the very statistics featured in Michael Moore's film):
373 people in Germany
151 people in Canada
57 people in Australia
19 people in Japan
54 people in England and Wales, and
11,789 people in the United States
(*Please note that these 1998 numbers account only for HOMICIDES, and do not include suicides, which comprise and even greater number of gun deaths, or unintentional shootings).
Source.
If your country had better laws around this issue, those deaths would likely be less.
Last edited by Vincent, Thunder God; 11-30-2006 at 02:43 AM.
Michael Moore? Well there's an objective source of information.
Those stats mean nothing if you can't provide me with how many murders in total each country had per year. Gun related murders mean nothing if the total amount of murders are the same.
If you went to the source I gave you'd realize it's also on a respected Illinois facts page. I just remembered that the numbers themselves were the ones in the film.
Not really. It shows how important guns are to the American culture, and how many deaths are linked to it. Besides, you probably realize that, despite gun laws, guns are often still the leading cause of homocides in most developed countries.
Last edited by Vincent, Thunder God; 11-30-2006 at 02:45 AM.
it was a bad way of saying yes you're right, by that logic there is no such thing as self defense. self defense is using force against force... what?
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