FFVII and FFX/FFX-2 are linked

[Tavrobel]

Tavrobel and Ryukishi know a lot about FF so I doubt they would deny what is on the Ultimania guides.

I agree with what and the who and the what now?

[Wolf Kanno]

I think by "Bull" they mean this idea is stupid... At least that's how I feel about it. Just imagining the plot holes makes both games go a little further down in my book...

[Renmiri]

Tavrobel and Ryukishi know a lot about FF so I doubt they would deny what is on the Ultimania guides.

I agree with what and the who and the what now?

Someone said you told them that FFVII and X-2 aren't linked, regardless of what is on the Ultimania X, X-2 and VII books. I never saw you say that and I never saw you contradict Ultimania guides so I doubted you would say it.

[Wolf Kanno]

I mean damn... FFVII has a better chance of being connected to FF: The Spirits Within or FFIX. At least they all shared the Gaia theory plot... This is just ridiculous.

[jammi567]

But you have to remember that there would be a thousands and thousands of years gap between the two games.

[chrisfffan]

look all ff games Have virtually the same story and are based a lot from star wars films save the girl, save the planet bla bla bla

[The Mog Ninja]

u know directors can say lots of things that rnt right, like for some thing or something it said there would be like 4 things but there was only 3... or something...

[Wolf Kanno]

But you have to remember that there would be a thousands and thousands of years gap between the two games.

ShinRa was a weapons manufacturer before turnig to Mako energy which is stated within the actual game. Aslo the Farplane and the Lifestream seem to work completely differently and the only connection ever given was one lousy line In FFX-2 International. My point is, they decided this on a whim. Because of this they will have to make certain changes in both stories to honestly connect them.

A span of a thousand years is irrelevant and they would have to explain why the Farplane and Spira work completely different from the Lifestream. In Spira, the dead either pass onto the Farplane, become fiends, or remain in the world as apparitions of their former selfs. In FFVII, the Lifestream is the life of the planet and where all life comes from. When you die, you return to the Lifestream and are eventually reborn in the future. Now AC does bring forth the idea that the dead still have some hold on the living but it's presented completely differently from FFX's view.

I don't remember FFX ever mentioning reincarnation except when Wakka tries to justify how much Tidus looks like his brother. In fact, I remember Lulu telling him that it was impossible to come back from the dead. The concessions they make in order for this to work is just going to bad. It will read like bad fanfiction cause it is.

[The Mog Ninja]

finally, someone who doesnt believe everything they read

[Renmiri]

the Farplane and the Lifestream seem to work completely differently and the only connection ever given was one lousy line In FFX-2 International

Not really. There is a lot connecting them.

I recommend you read Squall of Seed's excellent essay about it, on the EoFF wiki
Spirit, Energy And Memories - The Magic Of Final Fantasy

Written By: Squall of Seed
The purpose of this document is to present my thesis on Magic and memories in Final Fantasy. Essentially, I seek to present that Spirit Energy and/or memories are the source of Magicks in the Final Fantasies. Further, I seek to express the possibility that all Final Fantasy worlds (or, at the least, the worlds of Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, X/X-2, Tactics, and The Spirits Within) have a Lifestream.

Note that there will be Spoilers ahead from Final Fantasy VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, X-2, Tactics, Tactics Advance, The Spirits Within, and Unlimited.

[jammi567]

A span of a thousand years is irrelevant and they would have to explain why the Farplane and Spira work completely different from the Lifestream. In Spira, the dead either pass onto the Farplane, become fiends, or remain in the world as apparitions of their former selfs. In FFVII, the Lifestream is the life of the planet and where all life comes from. When you die, you return to the Lifestream and are eventually reborn in the future. Now AC does bring forth the idea that the dead still have some hold on the living but it's presented completely differently from FFX's view.

sure, SE say they're connected, but it doesn't meran they have to be connected to the same planet.

[Wolf Kanno]

Renmiri, I read the Hypothesis and though his points for FVII=FFX/FFX-2 are pretty damn compelling. I feel the rest of his connection theory is just simply a hypothesis and he's "grasping for straws". FFIX has always been considered a "tribute" by Square and by the fans themselves so it's not surprising it shares story concepts with FFVII as well as every FF before it. Though I feel the argument about the Eidilons was manipulated to help his theory, it could simply be "will power" and not necessarily the "collective conscious" of life. FFVI's magic was created by Warring Triad and though it's transfer of power is used in somewhat the same way as Materia, it's ability to be almost permanent (well until the Warring Traid disappeared...) makes it quite different.

This leads into the issue of the Sphere Grid vs. Materia issue. First off, seeing as how their was never a real in-game expalnation for the sphere grid like there was for materia, it's only personal conjecture that says it's the same thing. But then why does the Sphere Grid transfer seem permanet? Whereas Materia's power only stays as long as it is equipped. It doesn't make much sense and we don't get a real explanation for it. I doubt we ever will.

In the end, I still feel this is a stupid idea and I don't really see the purpose in doing it in the first place...

[silentenigma]

But you have to remember that there would be a thousands and thousands of years gap between the two games.

ShinRa was a weapons manufacturer before turnig to Mako energy which is stated within the actual game. Aslo the Farplane and the Lifestream seem to work completely differently and the only connection ever given was one lousy line In FFX-2 International. My point is, they decided this on a whim. Because of this they will have to make certain changes in both stories to honestly connect them.

finally, someone who doesnt believe everything they read

I've been trying to say the same thing!!!

Unfortunately, the two stories cannot be linked simply by inserting a child-prodigy Shinra as a character who wants to harness "energy from the farplane" to make a huge city. In FFVII, the Shinra Company started as a weapons developer for the war in Wutai before it was ever interrested in the Mako industry.

[Wolf Kanno]

Sorry about that Silent Enigma, I should have quoted you since I only remembered that plot hole because of you post... sorry :laughing:

[Crizpy]

Lawl gayz, I heer FFIX and FFVII R linked 2.

"LAWL I REMEMBER SOME DOOD WITH SPIKEY HAIR USING SOMETHING LIKE THIS"

Anyway, I think its something made up, couse it would be to stupid to start raping ffvii even more.