Charcoal, I think I understand what you're trying to say and I'm going to step in and defend it before this conversation devolves any further.

There is a web site called Eyesonff.com. It has forums devoted to Games, daily life, etc. One of the forums is reserved for discussion of Final Fantasy VII. I go there when I want to talk about Final Fantasy VII, a video game released by SquareSOFT in 1997 for Playstation.

I don't come here to discuss canon. I wouldn't call myself a "hater". I enjoy watching scenarios that take place in the FF7 Universe. But when I talk about FF7 or compare it to other games, I'm talking about an RPG, not an RPG and a few movies and a shooting game, and a few mobile games. I'm talking about FF7 for the PSX.

The Crystal - you and others brought up numerous times about the UOG and how the creators gave a definitive answer to many questions about FF.

But you're placing too much credit onto it. One of the best things bout FFVII is that much of it is left up to interpretation - including the debate over whether Sephiroth controlled Jenova or vice versa.

Controversies like this are not definitively resolved by some UO guide. There is nothing in FF7 that distinctly states which controlled the other. Yes, Kitase/Nomura stated that Sephiroth was the controller. But he could wake up tomorrow and say to a newspaper that it was the other way around. The bottom line is the creators' publicity statements are irrelevant to what the game did and did not represent.

Ryushikaze - this goes for you too, buddy. When I play the game, and discuss the game any and all of the retcons you defiantly defend are irrelevant to me. When I'm playing the flashback where Cloud throws Sephiroth in the mako, am I supposed to close my eyes, cover my ears and envision the scene from Last Order?

Get the F*** outta here.