Did Squaresoft ever say anything about the R=U theory?

[ragnosica]

You know what I think --------> Ultimecia is CHOPIN (the purple octopus from FFVI) because her hair and his tentacles..MMM...it's just sooo right . Seriously, just because 2 characters from different games are almost the same doesn't mean they ARE the same person. That's absurd. That's like saying that Cloud and Squall are the same just because they both have gunblades and they use cool acrobatics in between. Sure, you're gonna say that their hair colour is different. WELL MAYBE CLOUD LIKED BROWN IN THE END, HOW'S THAT FOR A POSSIBILTY? :mog:

[Forsaken Lover]

Like i said before Forsaken Fanboy

Let’s all give The Crystal a nice hand for his oh so witty use of alliteration.

Edea knew sh*t about how TC worked

Prove it. Show me a quote where Edea is wrong about Ultimecia. She says she is after Time Compression and tells us what it is. This statement is NEVER contradicted by anything. Even backed up solidly by a scan. You know, the ONLY evidence you have? A single scan? You’re pathetic.

and because of that, what she said don't have more validity than the official word of SE.

The official word of SE is that Ultimecia is using Time Compression.

And anyone that agreed with you in that other thread was wrong because, SE >>>>>>>>>> You or any other person in this forum.

I believe this speaks volumes for how childish you are.

What SE says is not law. If a person goes by actual showings, Ultimecia is not even close to the strongest. Some people only use this because statements are often misleading. But you declare them ALL wrong. Their opinions are ALL wrong because you cling like an infant to a single quote which is contradicted by ANOTHER solid SE statement in ANOTHER scan.

You and the other fanboys in that thread weren't arguing against me, they were arguing against the word of SE.

We are not so easily swayed by a single thing as you are. Perhaps, in the fact we possess several more IQ points than yourself, we can examine the larger picture. Like the fact another solid SE quote disproves the single quote you use as your lame foundation for an even lamer assertion that a thoroughly lame villain is powerful.

Resuming, i got my "ass beat" by people that think "I'M RIGHT AND SQUARE-ENIX IS WRONG! LOL"

The shrill ravings of a 3-year-old who doesn’t get his way.

Ultimecia wasn't absorbing all existence, it was just hyperbole of the Scan. The Scan, something that is NOT a character, and was created by SE to give us precise information about the enemies in the game, was wrong! LOL

It is hyperbole when ANOTHER scan flatly contradicts it.

But when we saw Kuja destroying some buildings/towers/whatever, and Mikoto SAID he destroyed an entire planet... It wasn't hyperbole! LOL

Actually 2 people said it.

And it’s not contradicted by other statements like your quote is.

This is not an insult, but a fact: You are a fanboy. Just shut up and go away.

You’re the laughing stock of this entire forum, dude.

[Karellen]

It’s probably worth noting that instances where Time Compression is said to be affecting the world don’t necessarily contradict the instances where Time Compression is said to be affecting all existence. “The World” and “All Existence” are not mutually exclusive. Maybe if the additional information said “Time Compression Effect the world and only the world” the exclusivity of the two would be undeniable separate, but as The World is by default included in a category such as “All Existence” (due to the fact that it exists) then one could argue that the later scan does not retcon earlier information but merely expands upon it.

Or maybe not. I don't think I care enough to dwell any further upon the subject.

[Forsaken Lover]

I've already posted to how the "world" is defined in FF8. Timelines are "world." "Our world" refers to the time of FF8's crew. "Ultimecia's World" refers to her time.

However, a universe at large is never mentioned and thus, I don't want to assume this all is universal. Just the "worlds" of everyone on the FF8 planet.

[The Crystal]

Let’s all give The Crystal a nice hand for his oh so witty use of alliteration.

Let's give Forsaken Lover the prize of "The Biggest Fanboy in the Internet"

Prove it. Show me a quote where Edea is wrong about Ultimecia. She says she is after Time Compression and tells us what it is. This statement is NEVER contradicted by anything. Even backed up solidly by a scan. You know, the ONLY evidence you have? A single scan?

The problem is that you don't understand what Time Compression is. To say the truth, you understand nothing about Ultimecia or TC. This is why you say the scans contradict the story. Play the game again, and pay atention.

You’re pathetic.

If i'm pathetic, what you are? I don't even want to think about that. Poor, poor Forsaken Fanboy in his little existence that is beyond pathetic.

The official word of SE is that Ultimecia is using Time Compression.

And you know what TC is? You know why she would be the only one to exist? I know.

What SE says is not law.

Wrong again kid. You love to be wrong all the time, don't you?
Everything SE says about FF is a law. They created the games, they created the stories, they created the worlds and characters, and they know more about them than you.

We are not so easily swayed by a single thing as you are. Perhaps, in the fact we possess several more IQ points than yourself, we can examine the larger picture.

Then try to use your IQ points for something better than being a fanboy in the internet.

Like the fact another solid SE quote disproves the single quote you use as your lame foundation for an even lamer assertion that a thoroughly lame villain is powerful.

If you believe a quote from SE disprove the other, than SE are a bunch of idiots to contradict themselfes, aren't they? Or maybe you didn't understand the story, and is the idiot here.

The shrill ravings of a 3-year-old who doesn’t get his way.

If i'm 3 years old, you aren't even born.

It is hyperbole when ANOTHER scan flatly contradicts it.

This is something that only YOU say. Because you are the only one that didn't understand them.

Actually 2 people said it.

And it's still hyperbole.

And it’s not contradicted by other statements like your quote is.

Other statements of characters in the game, not SE itself.

You’re the laughing stock of this entire forum, dude.

Wow, you are really blind aren't you? Everyone is agreeing with me about the Scan. And... They are laughing of you.

Stop okay. For your own good, stop. You are just making yourself look like a fool.

[Forsaken Lover]

Let's give Forsaken Lover the prize of "The Biggest Fanboy in the Internet"

Everyone has already given you that title.

The problem is that you don't understand what Time Compression is. To say the truth, you understand nothing about Ultimecia or TC. This is why you say the scans contradict the story. Play the game again, and pay atention.

I do understand. More than you, obviously. Because I use more than a single quote.

If i'm pathetic, what you are? I don't even want to think about that. Poor, poor Forsaken Fanboy in his little existence that is beyond pathetic.

Me, I’m good. I got a new movie to watch and am off to eat a restaurant.

And you know what TC is? You know why she would be the only one to exist? I know.

Yes I do know. Because only she can exist in a world where everything is mixed together. As flatly stated.

Wrong again kid. You love to be wrong all the time, don't you?
Everything SE says about FF is a law. They created the games, they created the stories, they created the worlds and characters, and they know more about them than you.

Uh-huh. I never denied this. This is why I use SE quotes to shoot down your pathetic argument.

Then try to use your IQ points for something better than being a fanboy in the internet.

I already have. I’ve used them to prove you wrong time and time again.

If you believe a quote from SE disprove the other, than SE are a bunch of idiots to contradict themselfes, aren't them? Or maybe you didn't understand the story and is the idiot here.

I do understand the story. Ultimecia was using TC on the world.

As stated by SE themselves.

If i'm 3 years old, you aren't even born.

OMFG!111 I’ve PWNZr3D!

This is something that only YOU say. Because you are the only one that didn't understand them.

Actually, I do. I repeat: I know TC is effecting the world. As SE themselves say.

And it's still hyperbole.

Nah. It’s not contradicted like your pathetic quote is.

So, not hyperbole. Fact.

Other statements of characters in the game, not SE itself.

You and your selective sight.

Wow, you are really blind aren't you? Evryone is agreeing with me about the Scan. And... They are laughing of you.

Lol You missed the entire thread you yourself are posting in....

Everyone is calling you a stupid fanboy.

[scrumpleberry]

Oh will both of you shut up? You aren't contributing anything to the thread, you're just bickering.

"You don't undrestaaaand the plot stupid fanboi"

"Youre the fanboi! I understand it, youuuuuuu don't!"

"STUPIDHEAD, you're being STUPID, you STUPID FANBOI"

"Stupid Kuja fanboi, bleeeeh!"

"You're sooooo stupid, you fanboi."

"Cutting sarcasm"

"More cutting sarcasm"

"Superiority"


Come now children. Have some cookies and play nicely.

[The Crystal]

Okay, i will ignore the insults because it's childish, and don't help the argument of anyone.

I do understand. More than you, obviously. Because I use more than a single quote.

Then explain to me why she would be the only one to exist in TC? I know the answer. And you?

Yes I do know. Because only she can exist in a world where everything is mixed together. As flatly stated.

And WHY only she can exist in a world where everything is mixed together? If you don't ignore the scans and understood the story, you can answer that.

Uh-huh. I never denied this. This is why I use SE quotes to shoot down your pathetic argument.

Yeah, you are using SE quotes to shoot down another SE quote. Wow, that make so much sense. SE aren't contradicting themselves, you didn't understand the story.

I already have. I’ve used them to prove you wrong time and time again.

Yes, you are proving that SE is wrong and you are right time and time again. XD

I do understand the story. Ultimecia was using TC on the world.

As stated by SE themselves.

Time and space is everywhere, not only in the planet. This is why they say she is absorbing ALL EXISTENCE and you fight her in SPACE.
She would change the world, because it's part of existence, and she would absorb all of it.

And lets say that one day, Nomura say "When he was a baby, Squall could reshape reallity with a fart". That would contradict many things in the game but would be TRUTH.

SE >>>>>>>>>> You

Actually, I do. I repeat: I know TC is effecting the world. As SE themselves say.

If she is affecting the universe, she is affecting the world too.

Nah. It’s not contradicted like your pathetic quote is.

So, not hyperbole. Fact.

Yes, SE are contradicting themselfes and you are completely right. :rolleyes2

You and your selective sight.

What Kitase, or Nomura, or other guy in SE says, IS more valid than what the characters say in the games. SE are the gods of FF universe, and know everything about it. The Scan was writed by SE, not by Squall, or Edea, or whatever. This is a fact.

You cannot choose what is canon and what isn't. Only SE can do that. Ultimecia can absorb time and space because SE said so. DEAL WITH IT.

[Forsaken Lover]

Yeah, you are using SE quotes to shoot down another SE quote. Wow, that make so much sense. SE aren't contradicting themselves, you didn't understand the story.

You keep saying that... I understand the story. She’s using TC on the planet. As said in the scan.

And WHY only she can exist in a world where everything is mixed together? If you don't ignore the scans and understood the story, you can answer that.

It’s not up to me to explain what is flatly said in the game.

Yes, you are proving that SE is wrong and you are right time and time again. XD

No. I’m proving Square Is right and you are wrong.

As Square said, she’s using time compression on the planet. Supported by scans and dialogue.

Time and space is everywhere, not only in the planet. This is why they say she is absorbing ALL EXISTENCE and you fight her in SPACE.

A. Humans can’t breathe or move in space. You fail on cosmic levels for continuing to fail to understand this. It’s just a big black space. Show me one feature that suggests it is space.
B. SE says she’s changing the world. World = planet.

She would change the world, because it's part of existence, and she would absorb all of it.

Except the quote says she’s changing the world and only the world. If she was gonna change more than just that, they’d say as much.

Every other quote only mentions the world as well.

Stop putting your own assumptions into factual discussion. If it doesn’t say it, it’s not there.

And lets say that one day, Nomura say "When he was a baby, Squall could reshape reallity with a fart". That would contradict many things in the game but would be TRUTH.

SE >>>>>>>>>> You

SE >>>>>>> You. That’s why Ultimecia only effected the world.

If she is affecting the universe, she is affecting the world too.

Except 4 quotes say the world and nothing more.

If it was more than just the world, they’d say as much in maybe at least 2 out of those 4 times. But they specifically only say “the world.”

SE >>>>>>> you adding things that aren’t there in the quotes they specifically put in the game.

Yes, SE are contradicting themselfes and you are completely right.

Ever heard of “plotholes”? 99% of fiction has some piece that contradicts another piece in the fiction. Your existence quote is at odds with 4 quotes saying it’s just the world.

What Kitase, or Nomura, or other guy in SE says, IS more valid than what the characters say in the games.

And they were kind enough to confirm Ultimecia was effecting only the world.

SE are the gods of FF universe, and know everything about it.

And like they say, Ultimecia is hoping to “change the WORLD”. Specifically the “world” and nothing else.

The Scan was writed by SE, not by Squall, or Edea, or whatever. This is a fact.

Yep. I don’t dispute that.

I use it in fact to shoot down all you say and so you reach and ASSUME things to try and make your argument fit when it contradicts everything in the game, including what SE says.

[jammi567]

I really don't want to get involved in this pathetic argument that no-one is ever going to solve, but what i post here is the definitions of what the word 'world' means fron Dictonary.com:

world /wɜrld/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[wurld]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation–noun

1.	the earth or globe, considered as a planet.

2.	(often initial capital letter) a particular division of the earth: the Western world.

3.	the earth or a part of it, with its inhabitants, affairs, etc., during a particular period: the ancient world.

4.	humankind; the human race; humanity: The world must eliminate war and poverty.

5.	the public generally: The whole world knows it.

6.	the class of persons devoted to the affairs, interests, or pursuits of this life: The world worships success.

7.	a particular class of people, with common interests, aims, etc.: the fashionable world.

8.	any sphere, realm, or domain, with all pertaining to it: a child's world; the world of dreams; the insect world.

9.	everything that exists; the universe; the macrocosm.

10.	any complex whole conceived as resembling the universe: the world of the microcosm.

11.	one of the three general groupings of physical nature: animal world; mineral world; vegetable world.

12.	any period, state, or sphere of existence: this world; the world to come.

13.	Often, worlds. a great deal: That vacation was worlds of fun.

14.	any indefinitely great expanse.

15.	any heavenly body: the starry worlds.

—Idioms

16.	bring into the world, a. to give birth to; bear: My grandmother brought nine children into the world. b. to deliver (a baby): the doctor brought many children into the world.

17.	come into the world, to be born: Her first child came into the world in June.

18.	for all the world, a. for any consideration, however great: She wouldn't come to visit us for all the world. b. in every respect; precisely: You look for all the world like my Aunt Mary.

19.	in the world, a. at all; ever: I never in the world would have believed such an obvious lie. b. from among all possibilities: Where in the world did you find that hat?

20.	on top of the world. top^1 (def. 46).

21.	out of this or the world, exceptional; fine: The chef prepared a roast duck that was out of this world.

22.	set the world on fire, to achieve great fame and success: He didn't seem to be the type to set the world on fire.

23.	think the world of, to like or admire greatly: His coworkers think the world of him.

24.	world without end, for all eternity; for always.

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[Origin: bef. 900; ME; OE world, weorold; c. D wereld, G Welt, ON verǫld, all < Gmc *wer-ald- lit., age of man]

—Synonyms 1. See earth.

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world (wûrld) Pronunciation Key n. The earth. The universe. The earth with its inhabitants. The inhabitants of the earth; the human race. Humankind considered as social beings; human society: turned her back on the world. People as a whole; the public: The event amazed the world. A sphere of human activity or interest: the world of sports. A class or group of people with common characteristics or pursuits: the scientific world. Human existence; life: brought a child into the world. A state of existence: the next world. often World A specified part of the earth: the Western World. A part of the earth and its inhabitants as known at a given period in history: the ancient world. A realm or domain: the animal world; the world of imagination. A sphere of human activity or interest: the world of sports. A class or group of people with common characteristics or pursuits: the scientific world. Human existence; life: brought a child into the world. A state of existence: the next world. A particular way of life: the world of the homeless. All that relates to or affects the life of a person: He saw his world collapse about him. Secular life and its concerns: a man of the world. Human existence; life: brought a child into the world. A state of existence: the next world. A large amount; much. Often used in the plural: did her a world of good; candidates that are worlds apart on foreign policy. A celestial body such as a planet: the possibility of life on other worlds. adj. Of or relating to the world: a world champion. Involving or extending throughout the entire world: a world crisis. [Middle English, from Old English <TT>weorold</TT>; see <TT>wī-ro-</TT> in Indo-European roots.]

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<CITE>Online Etymology Dictionary</CITE> - Cite This Source
world

O.E. woruld, worold "human existence, the affairs of life," also "the human race, mankind," a word peculiar to Gmc. languages (cf. O.S. werold, O.Fris. warld, Du. wereld, O.N. verold, O.H.G. weralt, Ger. Welt), with a literal sense of "age of man," from P.Gmc. *wer "man" (O.E. wer, still in werewolf; see virile) + *ald "age" (see old). Originally "life on earth, this world (as opposed to the afterlife)," sense extended to "the known world" (e.g. "Greatest Show on Earth"), then to "the physical world in the broadest sense, the universe" (c.1200). In O.E. gospels, the commonest word for "the physical world," was Middangeard (O.N. Midgard), lit. "the middle enclosure" (cf. yard), which is rooted in Gmc. cosmology. Gk. kosmos in its ecclesiastical sense of "world of people" sometimes was rendered in Goth. as manaseþs, lit. "seed of man." The usual O.N. word was heimr, lit. "abode" (see home). Words for "world" in some other I.E. languages derive from the root for "bottom, foundation" (cf. Ir. domun, O.C.S. duno, related to Eng. deep); the Lith. word is pasaulis, from pa- "under" + saule "sun." Original sense in world without end, translating L. sæcula sæculorum, and in worldly. L. sæculum can mean both "age" and "world," as can Gk. aion. Worldwide is from 1632. World power in the geopolitical sense first recorded 1900. World-class is attested from 1950, originally of Olympic athletes.

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world
adjective
1.	involving the entire earth; not limited or provincial in scope; "global war"; "global monetary policy"; "neither national nor continental but planetary"; "a world crisis"; "of worldwide significance" [syn: global]
noun
1.	everything that exists anywhere; "they study the evolution of the universe"; "the biggest tree in existence" [syn: universe]
2.	people in general; especially a distinctive group of people with some shared interest; "the Western world"
3.	all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you; "his world was shattered"; "we live in different worlds"; "for them demons were as much a part of reality as trees were"
4.	the 3rd planet from the sun; the planet we live on; "the Earth moves around the sun"; "he sailed around the world" [syn: Earth]
5.	people in general considered as a whole; "he is a hero in the eyes of the public" [syn: populace]
6.	a part of the earth that can be considered separately; "the outdoor world"; "the world of insects"
7.	the concerns of this life as distinguished from heaven and the afterlife; "they consider the church to be independent of the world" [syn: worldly concern]
8.	all of the living human inhabitants of the earth; "all the world loves a lover"; "she always used 'humankind' because 'mankind' seemed to slight the women"

[The Crystal]

Forsaken, you say that the last Scan is a plot-hole that have to be ignored. But it cannot be.
First, because it don't contradict the others. If she absorb all existence she would change the world. This is NOT a contradiction, make sense with everything stated in the game, and make ALL scans valid.
Second, let's assume it's a plot-hole. It's still canon. We can assume that Ultimecia changed her mind, and decided to affect all the universe(instead of just the world), or give another explanation. The FACT is that she was absorbing all existence, as explained in the game. NOT the world, but "all existence". If existence = world, they would say "the world".

You cannot choose what is canon and what isn't or what you can ignore and cannot, because you don't work for Square-Enix and didn't create the game.

All the scans complement each other. You cannot ignore one of them, just because it goes against your argument.

And Jammi, thankyou for proving me right.

EDIT: Forsaken, if you want to answer anything i said here, lets talk about it in the "Ultimecia" thread. Its ridiculous to argue about the same thing in two diferent threads(the third one was closed lol).

[Dr. Acula]

Oh will both of you shut up? You aren't contributing anything to the thread, you're just bickering.

"You don't undrestaaaand the plot stupid fanboi"

"Youre the fanboi! I understand it, youuuuuuu don't!"

"STUPIDHEAD, you're being STUPID, you STUPID FANBOI"

"Stupid Kuja fanboi, bleeeeh!"

"You're sooooo stupid, you fanboi."

"Cutting sarcasm"

"More cutting sarcasm"

"Superiority"


Come now children. Have some cookies and play nicely.

I agree, but I kinda hope they don't stop. We haven't had a good debate in a long time. (I look forward to reading the Ultimecia thread! )

[jammi567]

Agreed! This is just soo funny to watch. I remember this other debate where this (now banned) member said to click your fingers, and everything will make sense. That (and that debate) was the funniest thing i read, and this is on equal level.

[ragnosica]

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD?!!!!!!!!

[NeoCracker]

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD?!!!!!!!!

That way another thread can pop up on this subject and start the debate over from the beginning.