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    The faces of

    Zell - here
    Ultimecia - here

    Well, the graphic designer who designed these characters must have a first thought - both of the characters were linked at some point (in blood, maybe?). The thought is then just meaningless now because of changes to the story - there's no relationship or anything about between Zell and Ultimecia in the game anymore.
    But this could be flawed, Squall and other members didn't know anything about Time Compression , so could it be a possibility that they didn't know about the link between Zell and Ultimecia too? They have never been bothered to find out about that because it's not really important, all of thier minds were always focused on how to beat Time Compression, saving Rinoa, etc.

    concluding...

    - Both of thier faces' tattoos match the resemblance of each other (not exactly same but very similar).
    - As I recall from the game, there's nobody else who has tattoos on thier faces, apart from Zell and Ultimecia. A bit suspicious? I think so.

    If the whole thing is just a pure coincidence that has nothing to do with anything then there must have a reason why the graphic designer made similar tattoos for both characters, that designer must had had some thoughts. I seriously don't think that I'd make things that are similar to each other in a game (well maybe apart from the characters' sizes, backgrounds, etc.) but tattoos only on two characters? No way.

    Sooo... there's a possibility that Zell and Ultimecia are related in some sort, they just don't know it in the game
    But I don't know if tattoos is the right word to use.
    When Zell was born, did he recieve tattoos from his genes or got them from a shop? What about Ultimecia? If they got them off thier genes, then that must be something. If both of them got them from a shop, then they have the same common interest. Although...I doubt Ultimecia being a god (having power of time compression) would have gone to a shop and get the tattoos... that's just fishy.

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    Maybe zell started a trend and everyone hip in the future's got one
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    Edea and Adel also have facial marks, if I'm not mistaken. =O

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    Zell = Edea = Adel = Ultimecia?!

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    Zell = bad dialogue.

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    Since Ultimecia is from the future she could theoretically be the decendant of any of the main characters, including Zell. But I find it unlikely. There's no hint in the game data or conversations to the effect that they are related. And in any Square game where they want you to realize two characters are related without saying so directly, they would supply liberal hints to that effect.

    Two examples would include Squall's parents and Relm's father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG-57 View Post
    Since Ultimecia is from the future she could theoretically be the decendant of any of the main characters, including Zell. But I find it unlikely. There's no hint in the game data or conversations to the effect that they are related. And in any Square game where they want you to realize two characters are related without saying so directly, they would supply liberal hints to that effect.

    Two examples would include Squall's parents and Relm's father.
    Yes, all the main characters are decendants of Ultimecia in specific timelines but Zell seems out-special the other characters since he has the tattoos just like Ultimecia.

    Captain Maxx Power, don't be jealous. You know you can do the same So join the club.

    Marshall banana, yes I have noticed the same. But Zell is just a human among other humans (millions of them) and it's totally suspicious that he has tattoos just like Ultimecia when millions of other humans don't have tattoos. Any interpretation would be gladly appreciated.

    blackmage_nuke, LOL that could be a possibility. Ultimecia wanted to look evil and when she looked at Zell through the past, she was then got inspired and made similar tattoos for herself. Or Ultimecia randomly picked someone (Zell, in this case) and added tattoos on his face. But problem is, it's just very weird for one human out of millions to take tattoos... so I still think that my theory in my first post sounds more plausible anyway.
    Last edited by Serapy; 09-29-2007 at 03:43 PM.

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    Ultimecia's True Form is Her Final Form.
    Ultimecia Human, like Griever, is merely a projection of either them, their Darkside or their Dreams.
    In either case, it's in their Minds, pulled to reality.
    It's like they are facing their own powers.
    And Griever is the same for the GFs, Stopping at Alexander. (Since the rest is optional, could be them all)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serapy View Post
    Yes, all the main characters are decendants of Ultimecia in specific timelines but Zell seems out-special the other characters since he has the tattoos just like Ultimecia.
    Wait, where did you get this impression? And how could people from the past be the decendants of someone from the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serapy View Post
    Marshall banana, yes I have noticed the same. But Zell is just a human among other humans (millions of them) and it's totally suspicious that he has tattoos just like Ultimecia when millions of other humans don't have tattoos. Any interpretation would be gladly appreciated.
    Except that many people have tattoos who aren't related. If their facial tattoos are exactly the same, I'd be more suspicious. A story where identical tattoos are used to this effect would be the Hakkenden.

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    Ultimecia has weird facial markings because she's a sorceress and has been mutating for a long time.

    Zell has a tattoo because nomura thought it would be cool. Seriously, there's an interview where he says as much :}

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    Can you link me the interview? Even if he thought it would be cool, but I believe he had had the first reason to put the tattoos because they look almost the same as Ulti... and that first reason must be something... like Z and U are related or whatever.

    BG-57, not all people in the game wear tattoos, only apart from Zell and Ulti as far as I recall. That's why it is..

    Ultimecia not only came from the future, but she lived before past and present because of time compression. At some point, yes, Ultimecia came from the future, she gotta have a family in which created her, otherwise she won't exist. That family consisted of someone involved. I don't wanna add more details because it's kinda part of R=U theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serapy View Post
    BG-57, not all people in the game wear tattoos, only apart from Zell and Ulti as far as I recall. That's why it is..
    Adel had a lot of tattoos, even in the face, and I think Edea had some too.

    Ultimecia not only came from the future, but she lived before past and present because of time compression. At some point, yes, Ultimecia came from the future, she gotta have a family in which created her, otherwise she won't exist. That family consisted of someone involved. I don't wanna add more details because it's kinda part of R=U theories.
    Ah, but this makes a whole new point. You see, Rinoa isn't Ultimecia, it's actually Zell = Ultimecia.
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    BG-57, not all people in the game wear tattoos, only apart from Zell and Ulti as far as I recall. That's why it is..
    Not quite, Riona has a love heart with the words RH+SL tatooed on her butt
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    Quote Originally Posted by BG-57 View Post
    There's no hint in the game data or conversations to the effect that they are related. And in any Square game where they want you to realize two characters are related without saying so directly, they would supply liberal hints to that effect.
    I think this pretty much sums it up.

    Conclusion.
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