*sigh* Would it kill people to do a bit of reserch before making claims like that? Many religions that use the pentagram don't even believe the devil exists. Kind of hard to worship something you don't believe in.Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight
Actually, outside of stupid attention whores, does anyone worship the devil? :rolleyes2
I worship the 9th dimensional devil dregnor, if you want to know.
A simple "yes" would've sufficed, you attention whore.
Ha, you know my ways far too well, Harle.
I wish you knew my name as well as I know your ways. Wanker.
*cough*I was expecting that answer from you. That's not a jibe at you though, it's just that I know the pentagram is evil in the eyes of Christians.
I don't see it as evil, and I'm a Christian. I just see it as another symbol. I mean, I draw them all the time when I'm bored at school. It's just another geometric shape to me.
;_;I wish you knew my name as well as I know your ways. Wanker.
Quin? =]
Then I apologise for my generalisation. Though I'm sure you understood what I meant.*cough*I was expecting that answer from you. That's not a jibe at you though, it's just that I know the pentagram is evil in the eyes of Christians.
I don't see it as evil, and I'm a Christian. I just see it as another symbol. I mean, I draw them all the time when I'm bored at school. It's just another geometric shape to me.
And yes, Raebus, it's Quin. How could you tell?
Sorry but this is typical "bible basher" christian beliefs usually announced when people actually have little or no idea about what Satanism includes having read the satanists bible I can actually say 90% of it is probably just sociological insights about people rather than secrets of the devil stuff like; The more aggressive and dominant a person in society generally you will find they are the more submissive sexually this is even more true with women. Nothing really evil in that and that was a part of the satanist bible that comes immediately to mind and thats just simple psychology/sociology and it's true I know it for sure. However it is your faith, you deal with it however you like.
The symbol of the pentagram or pentacle is not as you say inherently evil, same as the swasticka used by the nazi's in ww2, that was a hindu symbol. It all depends on the people who use it.
Later in your post though you say that satanism or devil worshipping is nonsensical and idiotic in nature, same can be said for christianity and every other religion on the planet (no offence intended, nothing personal here just an observation.) Christianity was a collection of old stories and legends compiled in to a single book by a council of men therefore even if originally it was the words of god in the original structure it is EDITED by men and that makes it flawed and just as nonsensical, the old testament contains a story about a man who committed incest and biggotry but he was ok by God's opinion, he later/whenever floods the earth and rains brimstone and fire down on people for the same sort of things. I think the best modern statement I have heard regarding Christianity and it applies to ALL religions really is from dogma where the 13th disciple Rufus and the Metatron say essentially that Jesus never meant for people to take his words as RULES but more as ideals. Religion should never be something dogmatic it is merely "a good idea" 99% of religion no matter what one you look at speaks of the same things in a different wording; it's wrong to kill, it's wrong to commit adultery ect ect ect. Then again I could say the same about several things.
Also something to chew on regarding Christianity; God is all powerful right? he's everywhere, he controls EVERYTHING. Now the Devil is Luicifer, Morning Glory, Angel of Heaven fallen from grace yada yada yada... Angel this one little word gives me something to say. Luicifer and his Demons are God's creations (if the bible is to be believed) Angels were not given freechoice, but Luicifer DEFIES God, sure he paid a heavy price but he defied his maker, the one all powerful being in the universe and he's defied by his own creation. Instead of simply saying; "Hey Luicifer, douchebag, guess what? You forgot 1 thing, I'm GOD I'm all powerful and you know what? You don't exist!" *poof there goes Luicifer and his followers destroyed thus humanity loves God and all follows him ect ect ect no need for Jesus ect ect ect* He merely casts Luicifer down to a place HE CREATED called Hell. Luicifer is then often portrayed by the bible and other religious texts ect to do with Christianity to be GOD's EQUAL and OPPOSITE. This means, 1 of 2 things, God is not all powerful thus giving weight to the claim there is no God because God is ALL powerful but he isn't, or Luicifer, the devil doesn't exist. Now some will argue that God has the power of creation only yet: Power of Creation ONLY is not ALL POWERFUL hence see option 1 of 2 and even if he did only have the power of creation he could simply create something completely loyal to him powerful enough to destroy Luicifer and his legions. Now the other option means no hell. No hell = no heaven = no god they're 2 sides of the same coin good and evil one cannot exist without the other. God cannot be all powerful and yet not be able to afford to destroy Luicifer. I'm not saying I don't believe or that I do believe I personally will believe there's Gods out there when one comes up to me and offers proof they exist.
Pentagrams were used symbolically in ancient Greece and Babylonia. The pentagram has magical associations, and many people who practice Neopagan faiths wear jewelry incorporating the symbol. Christians once more commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus, and it also has associations within Freemasonry.
The pentagram has long been associated with the planet Venus, and the worship of the goddess Venus, or her equivalent. It is also associated with the Roman Lucifer, who was Venus as the Morning Star, the bringer of light and knowledge. It is most likely to have originated from the observations of prehistoric astronomers. When viewed from Earth, successive inferior conjunctions of Venus plot a nearly perfect pentagram shape around the zodiac every eight years.
NOT SATANIC. So all you "blaaaargh i haf 666 and pentagram on my shirt i luv devil" are doing it wrong.
I followed a "how to worship Satan" guide on the net. It told me to dress in black with the pentagram sign on the shirt and go on about how I use it to get in touch with the devil.
Been here all along!
The things about Wicca is that being there's no central dogma, there's many different answers to each question. Any answers I give are mine and mine alone.
I see the pentagram, or pentacle, as a representation of the elements. Earth, Air, Fire, Water and the Spirit, being the most important, at the top. What I've been told and read about Satanists, is that since part of true Satanism is self indulgence, they use the pentacle turned upside down, to put the spirit at the bottom. They believe they need to give in to earthly temptations before spiritual needs. Also, it could be seen as being similar to the head of a goat, which is a Satanic thing as well. Why, not sure.
It is a powerful symbol, yes. But its how you take that power into you. Cops take it as a symbol that gives them power to uphold the law. Are they evil? Depends who you talk to. Wiccans and Neo-Pagans use it as a way to channel the Goddess and show the interconnectedness ( Is that a word? It is now!) of all things. LaVeyan Satanists, use it to put themselves above all else, or so I've read.
It's all about how you see it, kids.
*hates getting serious in GC*
Last edited by SammieBabe; 12-27-2007 at 11:41 PM.
in short... up = good. down = bad. not that i care, just what i know and thats limited.
Of course I did. It's GC, I can joke around, can't I?Then I apologise for my generalisation. Though I'm sure you understood what I meant.*cough*I was expecting that answer from you. That's not a jibe at you though, it's just that I know the pentagram is evil in the eyes of Christians.
I don't see it as evil, and I'm a Christian. I just see it as another symbol. I mean, I draw them all the time when I'm bored at school. It's just another geometric shape to me.
And yes, Raebus, it's Quin. How could you tell?
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