Mafia F11! Game Over - Del Murdered - Town Wins

[Psychotic]

I don't know what you guys are on about here. Del is right, there are only three roles he can claim. Cop, Doctor and Townie. Claiming anything else would be beyond stupidity.

Strongly disagreed. Claiming mafia is beneficial in certain circumstances if you are mafia. Hell, I believe every single time I have been mafia at EoFF, I have claimed, and for good reason.

Either Del Murder or Psychotic is a mafia.

Mmmm smells like chain lynch.

Everyone knows that it's the guy who's whistling, having his hands in his pocket and looking around in the air is the true sinner. Bringing less attention to yourself is always a better mafia strategy, and you guys know that.

That's the point; being casual and joking = no attention because you're not saying anything incriminating, and if you do, you can pass it off as a joke.

Ooh, saucy! Please make a vote, Mr. Psychotic?

Hey now, at least I stick to my convictions, you flip-flopping loon. If you'd read my post you'd see why I had not voted. I did not feel informed enough to make a decision until you and Lekana had made some posts today. And lo and behold, you have!

So here we go.

##vote: Sir Lancealot

He's barely making any waves. Del and Levian are both suspicious but if either (or both) is scum he'll trip up big time sooner or later, the way they're going. Lance is, like those two, suspicious to me, but also an unknown quantity because he has yet to play his hand. If he's innocent, and he shows more of himself (if you know what I mean) then hey maybe I'll get a better feel for him and unvote him. You never know.

[Sir Lancealot]

I don't know what you guys are on about here. Del is right, there are only three roles he can claim. Cop, Doctor and Townie. Claiming anything else would be beyond stupidity.

Strongly disagreed. Claiming mafia is beneficial in certain circumstances if you are mafia. Hell, I believe every single time I have been mafia at EoFF, I have claimed, and for good reason.

How would that help, or is that sarcasm?

He's barely making any waves. Del and Levian are both suspicious but if either (or both) is scum he'll trip up big time sooner or later, the way they're going. Lance is, like those two, suspicious to me, but also an unknown quantity because he has yet to play his hand. If he's innocent, and he shows more of himself (if you know what I mean) then hey maybe I'll get a better feel for him and unvote him. You never know.

I know, I don't post much. I would post more, but I find it hard to post my ideas, and at times my ideas have been posted by someone else. Besides, if you talk you're mafia, and if you don't you're mafia.

[Aerith's Knight]

I don't know what you guys are on about here. Del is right, there are only three roles he can claim. Cop, Doctor and Townie. Claiming anything else would be beyond stupidity.

Strongly disagreed. Claiming mafia is beneficial in certain circumstances if you are mafia. Hell, I believe every single time I have been mafia at EoFF, I have claimed, and for good reason.

How would that help, or is that sarcasm?

Roleclaiming mafia is the same as denying it, because a mafia would never do it, so people would think you do it as a joke, out of sarcasm, etc.

Sometimes it brings the message better than simply saying: "Nuhuu"

[Sir Lancealot]

Oh.

[Levian]

That's just silly.

There's just 3 roleclaims IMHO

and talking is always better than not talking, and voting is always better than not voting. If you're a townie then you have nothing to worry about, like for instance slipping up or contradicting yourself. So pour your heart's content upon us Lancelot.

[Psychotic]

It helps because A) people could hammer vote you because HEY LET'S END THE DAY EVEN THOUGH WE MOAN ABOUT IT NOT STARTING YET B) even if it doesn't end the day, people think their work is done and stop posting stuff. Notice how nobody gave a crap about further mafia on that day after I claimed in that C9 game?

[Goldenboko]

Haha, fell asleep luckily you guys didn't mass a huge vote block xD

Official Votecount
Levian (1) - Del Murder
Aerith's Knight (1) -Demon Dude
Del Murder (1) - Levian
Sir Lancealot (1) - Psychotic

Not Voting
Sir Lancealot, Lekana, Aerith's Knight

[Aerith's Knight]

I'm heading for bed.

I can't decide on who to vote for though. Psy and Del are certainly suspisious, Psy because of standing out(something he only does as a mafia) and Del because of a scum vibe you just get from his posts against Psy.

Furthermore Old Manus has been behaving oddly in the first day, but brings some good arguments. Could be day 1 shannanigens, or mafia stirring up trouble.

Demon Dude because he contuently votes for me for reasons that he doesn't explain or even comply to. Personal grudges are also very untownisch.

Sir Lancelot hasn't actually been doing anything.. at all.

Lekana as only one doesn't give me a reason to vote for her, but she hasn't posted a lot, so that could be the cause.

But seeing as we have another day, I'll refrain from voting.

I'll see you all in about 17 hours, so please refrain from one line questions until I'm back.

Good night Town!

[Psychotic]

Are you kidding me? I stand out infinitely more as town :laugh:

[Freya]

I just got out of my tae kwon do class and I was kicking butt there so I will do it here now too

PREPARE FOR A WALL OF TEXT

OK Lance, You've played a few times now. You're acting as if this is all new to you. When I know it's not. Yes, we shouldn't base things off past games but this kind of holds merit; playing a game like you don't know how when do is just as bad as acting scummy.

1) DD annoys him and he wants him dead, while his vote for Lev was not serious

2) Del is Levian scum buddy, and with 3/9 votes, lev was in a bit of danger for a lynch. DD has a very shaky record of past games, and it would take very little to use the reasoning that I provided to pin a lynch on DD and save Lev.

I'd like to point out qwerty, our death of our night. Yesterday he pointed fingers at DD, Del, And Levy. Now this is a more vet's game than anything. So the few people that he mentioned well here's what I get.

When there is a night kill sometimes it happens out of revenge. People, tend to not like other players and well, kill them. Now if qwerty points a finger at lev and del they may not want to kill qwerty cause that would link them. I can see DD as more of a revenge type. I'm not discrediting the other two. It could very well be a set up by the other that could be mafia to get one lynched. Also i'd like to giggle at qwerty making mention of levy and del being scum buddies when a few people mentioned it today


A TO THE K

You can make everything seems scummy if you put enough effort and quotes into it.

LOOK I'M MAKING YOU SCUMMY! That or I'm just presenting a case against a suspicious character.

You are forgetting this is day 1. There isn't any basis, any reason at all for voting on day 1, at least in the beginning, because nobody has said much yet, no vote counts to look at, no nothing.

So what do you do? Go for inactive.

This is in reference to Saggy. You say this, there is no basis for voting and well right before this you voted DD

##vote: Demon Dude

I'm sorry to say though that this is because of previous games, because every time you disrupt the game.. as a townie.

I looked at the list and thought, if I had to give a vote without reasoning within this game, who would I pick. Your name came up, I'm afraid.

It's still a reason. "I don't like how you play you must be scum" is what I get from that. You're so adamant on voting for inactives because it's a reason. And baseless votes are bad right?

Well, it was 28 hours into the first day, and the only inactive(you) became active. So I have 8 equilly scummy people, where one of them has a reputation of ruining games. What would you do?

Not voting is not an option.

You spelled equally wrong and it's bugging me xD ANYWHO Even though DD has a reputation of ruining games, he really can't do much in such a small game with only so many roles. That's like, "I'm gonna claim this mouse ate the cheese even though it's stuck in a cage."

It seems that you two were had argumentative banter yesterday and it was "I'll vote you" "well I'll vote you!" Then come today and you state

It's good for you I don't do personal grudges.

Can you blame me?

And if I wasn't for giving you another chance, I wouldve voted for you. Which I haven't, if you didn't notice.

"Oh I don't hold grudges but oh wait, you suck at all the past games Oh yeah I'm not gonna vote you now because you no longer deserve it."

I dunno to me it seems like you're just trying to play the nice guy now. you give everyone chances though they all deserve clean slates according to AK. Like in reference to levy

However, I want to give him an honest chance. So I won't vote until I hear his defence.

You point out reasons why levy is suspicious but then you don't vote even though earlier you went on about how not voting is bad. Yet, why no vote?

Just like you said. In a 24-player game, it can work out to play inactive. But in a game like this, people will notice, like I did, and therefore will get votes for the first day.

If you don't help us, you help them. And by being inactive, you're not helping us.

I hate this logic. It's ridiculous. I hate inactive hunting, at least in the beginning. People never really knew for sure when this game was gonna start. Some are busy with lives. And yes such a small game it CAN hurt people but it also could potentially get rid of a power role, a role that is so sparse in these games. So sure you could have got yourself a mafia, but percentage wise you could have had 7/9 chances to get a town. In some of those cases there was 2/7 chance to get a power role, or 1/7 so 2/9 or 1/9 power roles for town. That's just as lucky as 2/9 for mafia. You were taking the same chance for a power role as you were for mafia. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?

I pointed out a few things that threw red flags for me. SOOOOO


##Vote: Aerith's Knight

[Del Murder]

Oh great finally some mafia activity.

What does that mean? If you want to see more activity you make some posts, and especially some votes. Don't wait around for people to accuse you to reply.

Levian, your response wasn't what I expected. Accusing your accuser just because they accused you? That's like mafia response 101. I thought you were better than this. 'best defense is a good offense'. That's not good reasoning. How does going on the offensive against the accuser help your case in any way other than shifting the spotlight from yourself to them, something a mafia would want to do?

How can my evidence be 'made up' when more than two others (meaning, at least one townie) see my point? It's not concrete but I do think it deserves more credit than you are giving it. You replied with the context of the quote I posted and I see how that can be an explanation but honestly I don't buy it. Obviously there is an explanation for everything you posted or you wouldn't have posted it. Any good player would have a story to back up what they say. The point is I don't think your story is believable and I think you have been trying very hard to keep the spotlight on anyone but yourself. At first it was done casually but now that you have been targeted you have to switch gears.

I got the word 'casual' from Psychotic but it wasn't 'brand new information!'. qwerty mentioned that you are a dangerous mafia because of the way you play. I believe it is that casual play that he was referring to. I made note of that because it reminded me of when you schooled us the last time. Then when qwerty died I went back and made double note of it. You are dangerous when you are mafia. Which is why I need to be sure.

Let's go back to qwerty. I didn't mention this in my first post because I was running out of time before I had to go back to work, and Psychotic had already touched on it. You say that due to the fact that Psy, Lekana, and myself are still alive after one day means one of us is mafia. That's dumb reasoning. Who is more likely to be protected in night 1 than myself or Psychotic (besides the doc themselves)? Yeah the smart move is to protect yourself. Yeah we don't even know if a doc is in play. But why risk something like that when you could take out a good but under the radar player like qwerty? And what makes qwerty a worse or less recognizable player than Lekana? You don't think he's good enough of a player to be a threat? I think you do, and that's why you killed him.

I will lay off of Lev for a minute now. I agree with him on two things. Talking is better than not talking. And I there are only three roles in this game you can claim - town, doctor, cop. I can't believe I actually got 3 comments on that. You people need to post more so we can get better info to go on. I can see Psychotic's point on the mafia claim but I wasn't really thinking that deep when I made the comment.

Now that Gobo has extended the day we don't need to rush into a decision. I always hate when we drag things out like this but I guess the lack of activity in the thread demanded it. And having a 4 way tie with one vote each would be kind of stupid. So let's all have a party and talk things out.

[Sir Lancealot]

I got the word 'casual' from Psychotic but it wasn't 'brand new information!'. qwerty mentioned that you are a dangerous mafia because of the way you play. I believe it is that casual play that he was referring to.

That's why I voted for Levian. If he's mafia he could win again.

But why risk something like that when you could take out a good but under the radar player like qwerty? And what makes qwerty a worse or less recognizable player than Lekana? You don't think he's good enough of a player to be a threat? I think you do, and that's why you killed him.

Could you please explain this, as I don't think I've played a game with him. Also, if you think he's so good, what's to say that you didn't kill him?

[Sir Lancealot]

Now I think about, I have played with qwerty. Don't remember if he's good or not.

[Del Murder]

Wtf? I don't know if you are really that dense or just a really bad mafia. Right now I'm leaning toward the latter. From what I can see you have played at least 2 C9 games with qwerty, as well as Harry Potter Mafia and Ace Attorney Mafia. I'm not going to go back further than that because I think that's enough.

qwerty hosted two games and even ran the awards. He also won some awards. I'm not going to go through specific instances since it's getting late here, but he plays a good town. He tends to fly under the radar, but really, this much? That's hard to believe.

Lance you need to post more than a couple lines that aren't trying to ask questions while at the same time not stepping on anyone's toes. You have until tomorrow morning to say something substantial or else my vote changes.

[Levian]

What I meant by mafia activity was activity by the mafia, not activity in general. And when I said that, I wasn't even aiming at you, I actually made up my mind between you and Psy as I went along.

A good offense is a good defense. If I just spent my time defending myself and not adding anything else to the soup I would just be digging myself a hole. Besides, there is no way to defend myself anyway. I didn't accuse you just because of you accusing me, just really the build up of that post as well as the comments, and the FEEL to it. I know it's not big, it's rather little actually. That's because if you or Psychotic are mafia then you haven't really slipped up, and maybe you aren't going to either. Not all mafia can be found by deduction, but it's always lovely when that is possible.

How can my evidence be 'made up' when more than two others (meaning, at least one townie) see my point? It's not concrete but I do think it deserves more credit than you are giving it. You replied with the context of the quote I posted and I see how that can be an explanation but honestly I don't buy it. Obviously there is an explanation for everything you posted or you wouldn't have posted it. Any good player would have a story to back up what they say. The point is I don't think your story is believable and I think you have been trying very hard to keep the spotlight on anyone but yourself. At first it was done casually but now that you have been targeted you have to switch gears.

Maybe they're not made up, but I definitely don't see the point in some of them. It just came off as you were trying too hard to come up with multiple reasons for suspecting me. I don't see a Lekana and Psychotic thing, I don't see me trying to flush out Sagensyg, which still wasn't my intentions behind that one post.

Yes, qwerty is a good player. In this game I'd say you and Psychotic are the best, though. But whatever, I don't like speculating in why someone died anyway, that's what the mafia wants, right? That's why they killed them.

Mind you, I'm not dead set that you're mafia. Unlike others I don't need to be informed to make a vote, that's why there are unvotes. I love putting votes, it makes good discussions.

I am still very suspicious of Psychotic, so if you are indeed a townie, maybe you don't mind saying what you feel about him? not trying to turn the spotlight away from me I swear.