Okay having had my fun savaging Halo 3 nonsense I am going to go through this list and savage some of the bullhockey

89 - FFVI - Really? That low? It's not my fave FF ever but I'm fairly sure it deserves to be above things like Singstar and Peggle.

78 - UFO: Enemy Unknown - This is one of the most brilliant and accomplished games ever made. It's more atmospheric in its pixellated isometry than a good 90% of everything out in the past five years. It is sheer heaven in gaming form and deserves a position in the top 5.

72 - Skate2 - Skate and Skate2 are damned good games and really put TH to shame but this game should not be higher than either of the two I already mentioned. Not even close.

68 - Shadow of the Colossus - Really, Edge? Really? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'greatest' but I can assure you that SotC is one of the most important games ever made, and frankly deserves a category all of its own: "Games to play before you die".

57 - Deus Ex - I don't agree with a single criticism there. Deus Ex evokes more feeling in me aesthetically than anything except Shadow of the Colossus and perhaps Mirror's Edge. It is also one of the greatest games ever made and deserves a top 10 position.

48 - FFVII - I'll admit that I am perhaps willing to overlook some of FFVII's faults, but to suggest that it isn't a great game that needs to be played is lunacy. This one might not be top 10 material, but it's better than top 50.

45 - TES Oblivion - The reason, dear Edge, for the mod community is that when you have installed a vast, vast number of mods, this game becomes the epic, deep, brilliant gemstone that it should have been since the start. Without it, it is a deeply flawed game, with poor voice acting, senseless decisions, a highly disappointing move away from the company's prior stock - specifically the genuinely enganging, unique, beautiful, absent Morrowind.

34 - BioShock - I don't dispute that it belongs on this list, but it doesn't belong this high. The gameplay is, frankly, average. The atmosphere and plot are what make the game, but sadly the latter is squandered with great force, almost deliberate intent. Worth playing if only to imagine what might have been (And might yet be?)

25 - FFXII - Really. This, and no FFX? I've only failed to finish two FFXIs that came after V - IX and XII. IX was because I'm at it. XII is because I completely lost interest. FFX is pretty much the perfect FF - enganging, in an interesting and original world, with diverse and believable characters (Yuna's a Mary-Sue, sure. Because the entire world raised her to be one.) and, let's not forget, by far the best combat system in any FF, the best levelling system, and the best array of bonus content. In few other games can I feel the wind on my face when I close my eyes. And those FMVs are truly timeless - but then I remember truly gorgeous cutscenes from every FF that has them, except for FFXII.

22 - GTA Vice City - I agree with this game's position and writeup 100%.

19 - Civ IV - I would contend personally that Civ III is the best of them all (And SMAC is, in turn, better still). IV just doesn't feel to me to have the right balance in terms of construction vs techs. By the time I've got half an army ready it all needs upgraded.

12 - GTA IV - GTA IV is a truly magnificent game, and a masterpiece in every way. It is a game which everyone should play, regardless of whether they first picked up a pad with tiny baby hands 25 years ago or if they've never even touched Wii Fit. It's also a hell of a lot less fun than VC and SA are. I wouldn't rate this one so far above them.

7 - Tetris - Seriously? We're STILL sucking off Tetris? Look I love the game as much as anyone, but contrary to popular clamor yes, it can get old. The only reason I play Tetris anymore is for novelty value; aside from a trip down memory lane there are many, many games I'd rather be playing.

5 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - Okay. I admit I've never grokked Zelda. I guess that's just me, given how most others seem to adore it. But I will not stand idly by and let this be here while the true master of top-down action-RPGs goes unmentioned. That game, friends, is Alundra, and it is a thousand times anything Zelda has ever been to me.

4 - Resident Evil 4 - Okay I'm going to have to go right ahead and say this is one game I didn't expect to see this high. An interesting choice, and a reasonable one, but 5 to 10 positions too high in my opinion.

3 - Half-Life 2 - This one wasn't a surprise. At least it's not the original though; at least this one DESERVES the praise it gets, even if not to the degree it gets it.

2 - Super Mario 64 - Unusual to see this above the 2D Marios, and refreshing, because for my money this really is the best of the lot. Not better, however, than UFO Enemy Unknown.

1 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - One day, someone is going to make a list of the best games ever. On that day, that list will not have OoT in the top position. Not in the top 3, not even in the top 5. On the day this happens, there will be a list of greatest games ever that actually says something interesting. (One day, will there be a list which puts Suikoden II in the top spot? I doubt it. But what is a man, if not a dreamer?)

And where, finally, is Mass Effect? Where is Dwarf Fortress, surely the most interesting game of the last few years? Where is TimeSplitters? Where is Europa Universalis III and its vast scope, its ahistorical genius? Where is the flawed, yet superb, Mount & Blade? Where is Star Ocean 2, easily one of the best JRPGs ever made? Where are Suikoden II, III, V? Where on God's good Earth is Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri?