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[Serapy]

I beg to differ, my friend.

And you'd be wrong.

Opinion =/= Fact

No, the point is that if Square wanted to ensure that a good amount of players worldwide get reclarified on thier knowledges, they could of have added multiple languages, but they didn't.

Which doesn't invalidate the data in the slightest.

In terms of awareness, yes, it does.

Actually, it's a valid point. If I understand the game's language but I couldn't understand Japanese, it would be silly and wrong for someone to tell me ''LULZ Ultimania tells ya otherwise".

I'm not to blame.

Yes you are. You are to blame for dismissing its data out of hand just because you can't understand it.
You are not to blame for not understanding it, but you are in essence saying 'Because I can't understand it, it does not count' and that is something to blame you for.

So, if I don't understand Japanese, it's my fault? Right.

No, it ruins your first experience of playing a FF game and later found out that some of the information you have learnt turned out to be no longer true. It defeats the purpose of an originality. Ultimania is a very cheap tactic to change everything without any hassle.

Not information you have learnt, but things you assumed to be true. And again, it is the prerogative of a creator to change their universe. You may not like it, but it's there.

A game is designed to impress the audience with its original story. You play VIII from start to finish and you would then draw a conclusion based on what you've learnt from the game. Suddenly, some little text from a third party totally changes that perspective. What you have felt from the game is no longer true.

Here's a similar scenario: Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter. At first, his fans didn't ever reach a point where they would question his sexuality. Later, Rowling has claimed that he was actually gay. Therefore, some persons' views on Albus begin to change. Feel that, eh?

Him being gay is now fact. The point is that it does ruin some experience.

Here's a good example that's similar to Ultimecia's plot, Ultimania states that Kefka was born in Thamasa, but that does not make sense within FFVI's plot for many reasons, obviously.

1. There is technically no FFVI Ultimania.
2. That does not explicitly contradict anything said in FFVI.
3. It is irrelevant to the FFVIII Ultimania contradiction FFVIII. Please provide examples of these.

There are many other contradictions but most of them are minor, Cloud's birthday, for example.

Cloud's birthday remained consistent throughout every Japanese source and was never mentioned in-game.

No. On the VII's manual, it mentions that his birthday is 19th August. Yet, in AC and Ultimania mention that his birthday is 11th August. Not to mention that his sign in Final Fantasy Tactics appears to be Aquarius. Aquarius =/= August.

There are too many inconsistencies to write down here. You can find more somewhere.

The point is that if they have made mistakes, there's always a good chance that they will make same mistakes in the future. But that's uncommon, since they usually put additional detail on existing aspects of FFs. That's exactly what secured the credibility of Ultimania.

originality <-> originity? You couldn't tell what a mispelt word looks like, could you? Now, that makes sense. You couldn't tell what a mispelt Greek word would look like, so then you say it's refering to 'ljakdkjnas jasndjnasd' or something.

No, I could tell you were trying for originality, but I'm not in the mood to give you slack at the moment.

Don't agrue with me, then. You have already declared me as a troll, so why bother.

And it's not a mis-spelt greek word. It is a random, meaningless assortment of Greek gibberish with a coherent word happening to come out of it.

You an expert in Greek or something? If what you said is true, my greek friends would have said the same thing. Not to mention that they have never played VIII before!

You people have agreed with the conclusion of some painting at Ultimecia's castle. Remember the famous line? Where did that line come from? It's from something that has incorrect grammar, apparently!

Yes, it does. If something is created and later Ultimania changes that, it's no longer.... I don't know what's the right word to use, but hopefully you know what I mean.

The Ultimania takes precedence. That's how canon tends to work.

I'd apply for that job at Square. When I have that job, I'd change something in the Ultimania to my liking. And then it will become canonised! How wonderful!

See, the original games are more important to focus on than things such as Ultimania.

So, all of thier meanings or symbolisms are all invaild?

I said not suggested no such thing. I SAID none of the meaning or symbolism require factual R=U.

R=U has about the same qualities as some symbolisms in VIII. The lions of Ultimecia, Griever, Rinoa finger sign at the Star, etc. The only difference is that they don't show up in dialogues.

I'm talking about meanings that can be drawn into many various conclusions.

Then you are not talking about meanings.

You look at this non-dialogueous thing, and you become curious about what does it do. It's impossible for that thing to have only one possibility.

Touché. It's becoming more apparent that your criticism of my English and calling me names are now part of your agruements. How illogical!

See also: my response to this blatant attempt to play the victim in the other thread, trolljob.

How was I supposed to acknowledge which thread will you reply to first?

Don't use that 'parsimony' word, and don't make me become LYCHON!

I can and will use the word Parsimony and its derivatives as often as it is appropriate.
And I'd forgotten about Lychon. You don't want to become him. He got thoroughly embarrassed and banned. He played semantic games constantly and failed rather utterly at them.

Although, you stopped replying to him; he was always the last. Same thing happened to Sir Bahamut.

I just find this absolutely hilarious and ironic. After the acknowledgement that I'm a troll (according to you), we would keep arguing. Yet, between people like Lychon and you will stop agruing at some point. Of course, people will stop arguing eventually, but not like this!

:rolleyes2:rolleyes2

I accept your concession that these arguments are not based in fact in any form but purely on your afactual assertions.

No.

No. If you're using something that already exists within the game, it's not fan fiction.

But it's NOT in the original game. You are making things up, Serapy, and asserting they are in the original game.

Actually, what I did was removing visual images from the game and represent them here; such visual images that are not made up. Then, I'd make connections between said visual images. That's not even 100% fan fiction. A bit, but not all. No need to exaggerate.

And this is NOT a theroy!