Is Cid cheating on Edea?

[Serapy]

Thgink fo noitaicnunorp 'edlo ey' eht fo gnilleps citenohp a si teggingak dna, sey.

Nope. Not amusing.

I'm not surprised.

So, Adel doesn't have a knight and thereby she goes insane. You used this conclusion to claim that Ultimecia went insane because she didn't have a knight?

No, it's not circular reasoning. We know Adel went crazy for lack of a knight. It's known in universe sorceresses go crazy for lack of a knight. Ultimecia is crazy AND has no knight. Hardly circular.

It's not circular reasoning, how? You've used the 'universe sorceresses go crazy for lack of a knight' premise to claim that Ultimecia and Adel went crazy simply because they lack thier own knights.

We cannot just assume that, because the backstory of Adel within the game isn't widely available, let alone Ultimecia's. We do not know what happened to themselves before the events that have brought them here.

The game has shown us Adel's imprisonment. So, I firmly believe that Adel went crazy due to her imprisonment. How can anybody not to become insane after being imprisoned for a long period of time?

Her mindset isn't fact, though!

Her mindset, however, is irrelevant, regarding what her name is.

Her mindset changes when she's possessed. How is that not relevant?

I didn't make it up. The game did. Time becomes set in stone after Squall's conversation with 'Edea' at the beginning. Everything between that timeline and the timeline when Ultimecia dies become destined.

Which A: Doesn't affect the relationship between Cid and Edea which occurred before this, and B: would affect everyone after it period, making your excuses for Cid not loving Edea utterly moot.

But everything in that destined timeline cannot just appear magically or appear out of no where so that destiny can be followed. Everything before that timeline must be fixed in order to fuel the wall of Destiny.

Then my tiny statement isn't a theory.

I know you're completely desperate to avoid having to back up all of your assertions, but theory, hypothesis, assertion, they all suffer the burden of proof.

The burden of proof also lands on yourself if you want to disprove my statements. But that's irrelevant anyway, because this is not a theory. What I did was along the lines of "What could this [insert thing here] mean, and then I express my opinion." That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm asserting my opinion as fact.

You corrected some of my words. My misspelt words were already obvious enough to be acknowledged. I only missed a letter, or obvious because I put a wrong letter. So, how is that not obvious? Therefore, correcting these obvious words are not warranted enough to support your point, and thus, it has nothing to do with our arguments.

Hence why I called them ancillary to the actual arguments. But it's not just misspelled words, kiddo. You're nigh incomprehensible at times.

Thank you, sir.

Who made everything become destined? That person was Squall. That's why.

Which, AGAIN, does not address why Rinoa, not Squall, is affected while Squall is changing.

It wasn't just Rinoa that's affected

So are your counter claims.

So now it's down to a 'I know you are but what am I' slap fest?
All my counterarguments are are pointing out gaps in your logic.

That's pretty hardcore. Pointing out gaps in anybody's opinion that's about the game.

Pulling Griever out of Squall's head. All of our heads are shaped like eggs.

No they aren't, and this isn't 'pulling something out of an egg' any more than any other drawing of a GF is.

Oh?

Therefore, we cannot just base on our laws to analyse VIII's nonexistent things.

But RELATIONSHIPS are not among those things, so it's COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

I wasn't talking about relationships, I was talking about things such as time travel, time paradoxes and magic.

As for him being a good guy is debatable. It really depends on your view on Good / Evil.

THE GAME ITSELF calls her EDEA.

But the game itself made Squall call her Matron.

See? They call her Matron for a reason.

I never said they didn't, and acting like I did is just another really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.. My argument is simply that EDEA IS HER NAME and MATRON IS NOTHING BUT A TITLE.

I have never neglected the fact that herself is actually Edea, not Matron. I was just trying to point out why Squall and the party called her Matron.

She no longer runs an orphanage and yet they are still calling her Matron.

Because how do they know her from? The context of her running an orphanage.

They've learnt that Matron is Edea, and later into the game (especially at the ending), they still call her Matron.

They do not want to call her Edea because of what exactly happened at Deling's city.

How is calling someone names not directed?

Because it's not directed at your arguments, but the way you've been conducting yourself. Unless you're trying to say you're criticizing my counterarguments by getting mad at me 'calling you names'

That was what I was trying to say. Anything that is pointed at things other than arguments are indirected, and therefore irrelevant. Well, me replying to your counterclaims regarding English was of course irrelevant, but I didn't start it!

Common sense and logic aren't that important.

YES THEY ARE. They are fundamental.

Isn't fantasy a pleasant situation that you enjoy thinking about, but which is unlikely to happen, or the activity of thinking itself? I don't see common sense or logic in that!

LOL! Why does this diagram have to be more scientific? It looks pretty equal to me.

The diagram is utterly unnecessary in the first place.

I drew it to explain things better. It's not my fault as my English is terribly horrific.

I already have done that.

No you haven't. You've even declared logic and common sense unnecessary, refuse to fulfill your burden of proof, commonly address things other than my counterarguments, and generally act in poor debate fashion.

I already have! You're just refusing to believe them because they don't make sense in terms of fantasy.

If Squall told Edea the idea of SEEDs / Gardens, and later Edea never shared it someone else (e.g. Cid), what would happen?

Again, what keeps Edea from simply telling someone else?

If Cid was nonexistent, imagine her telling one of the kids, "Yo, let's put some seed on the garden!"

I think she was lonely. And Cid just came out of no where to save her. All hail to Destiny, respect!

Them getting married or not isn't relevant.

You previously said it was.

I wronged that word, sorry.
It's not relevant because of Destiny.

That's not even a paradox! I'm talking about paradoxes that blow up the whole universe!

The information paradox IS a paradox.
Not all paradoxes needs to explode the known universe.

I think I need to get some drink.

I'm not that cruel, don't blame me.

That makes absolutely no gorram sense.

How did this thread start from not serious to serious? I voiced my opinion in a very respectable manner and then ... all hell breaks loose!