Spider man without....spider man

[G13]

I would be pissed if they did that, I'd have to wait at least 10 years for a good reboot then and God knows how many films after to see some Carnage action.

I WANT TO SEE CARNAGE MOP THE FLOOR WITH SPIDER-MAN.

Is that too much to ask for?

Of course not. I think deep down, we all want a little Carnage action. I'll be pulling for Carnage, but I'm not confident it's gonna happen. I think that'd mess with the chronology.

I don't mean in this next one exactly, that would be amazing, but soon. I've been wanting to see him more than any other Spidey villain since the first one. I do not like waiting.

Indeed. I was hoping for Venom and Carnage together but now it looks like that's not gonna happen.

I don't like waiting either but unfortunately waiting is all we can do.

[Shiny]

The only person on that list who even comes close to being capable of handling an action star role is Shia Labeouf (and the success of that is very minimal). Pattison, Radcliffe and Efron are all absolutely terrible choices if you are trying to be serious about the revitalization a serious franchise.

Yeah, Shia is the best choice. He's boyish looking and can handle an action role as you said. The others are just flat out horrible choices for this sort of thing (or for anything really).

[AntRid]

Liam Neeson seems to be on a roll with action movies. I think he can pull off a teenage superhero right?

I’m more interested in who the director will be. Any news on that front?

[Slothy]

I would be pissed if they did that, I'd have to wait at least 10 years for a good reboot then and God knows how many films after to see some Carnage action.

I WANT TO SEE CARNAGE MOP THE FLOOR WITH SPIDER-MAN.

Is that too much to ask for?

Of course not. I think deep down, we all want a little Carnage action. I'll be pulling for Carnage, but I'm not confident it's gonna happen. I think that'd mess with the chronology.

I could do without ever seeing Carnage in a movie. There are few villains as shallow as uninteresting as he is. He was created for no reason other than to make a symbiote clad villain worse than Venom so they could destroy Venom at the same time by making him an anti-hero. He's definitely a low point of the Spidey rogues gallery and I don't understand the appeal he seems to have.

The movies are better off with him never showing up, just as the comics were much better off with the Sentry ripping him in half (until someone retcons it anyway).

[NorthernChaosGod]

GTFO.

[Slothy]

If you don't agree with me then tell me just how I'm wrong. I'd love to like Carnage to be honest because I like his visual design, but I haven't been able to get behind him since I was about nine years old and realized that a psychopath who does nothing but revel in killing as many people as possible everytime he escapes isn't that interesting after one appearance.

I'll at least grant you that if someone could come up with some interesting back story for him and make him less one dimensional for a film I could probably like it if it's done well enough. But then we're not really watching Carnage.

[NorthernChaosGod]

...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

[Slothy]

...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Yes the Joker was also a psychopath who liked to kill and maim for fun. Difference between him and Carnage is that he was practically a genius who was always three steps ahead of everyone, and his desire for chaos makes him the perfect foil for Batman. Much of what makes him interesting is how he plays off of Batman. There's also the fact that despite his clownish appearance and tendency to seem like more of a joke than a threat he's actually one of the most dangerous characters in the DC Universe.

Carnage on the other hand has not only never had any depth, Spider-Man isn't a more interesting character for having him as a villain. The characters don't play off of eachother even remotely as well as Batman and the Joker, and Carnage has never been able to get to Spider-Man in the way Joker can Batman. And to be perfectly honest, even if he could he never would. He's a one trick pony. He goes on a bloody rampage through New York, Spider-Man stops him, probably with a little help, Carnage goes to prison only to escape eventually and go on a bloody rampage through New York. Lather rinse and repeat.

Comparing Carnage to the Joker is an utter joke, no pun intended.

[charliepanayi]

...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

I wouldn't say film studio executives are THAT bad

[NorthernChaosGod]

...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Yes the Joker was also a psychopath who liked to kill and maim for fun. Difference between him and Carnage is that he was practically a genius who was always three steps ahead of everyone, and his desire for chaos makes him the perfect foil for Batman. Much of what makes him interesting is how he plays off of Batman. There's also the fact that despite his clownish appearance and tendency to seem like more of a joke than a threat he's actually one of the most dangerous characters in the DC Universe.

Carnage on the other hand has not only never had any depth, Spider-Man isn't a more interesting character for having him as a villain. The characters don't play off of eachother even remotely as well as Batman and the Joker, and Carnage has never been able to get to Spider-Man in the way Joker can Batman. And to be perfectly honest, even if he could he never would. He's a one trick pony. He goes on a bloody rampage through New York, Spider-Man stops him, probably with a little help, Carnage goes to prison only to escape eventually and go on a bloody rampage through New York. Lather rinse and repeat.

Comparing Carnage to the Joker is an utter joke, no pun intended.

I wasn't actually comparing him to the Joker, considering that line is actually about the man Alfred was after in the jungle.

[Slothy]

I wasn't actually comparing him to the Joker, considering that line is actually about the man Alfred was after in the jungle.

He was also using it to help explain the Joker's motivation, and quoting the line by itself heavily implied to me that you were saying the Joker is essentially no different from Carnage in motivation and characterization. I apologize for misinterpreting your post if that's not the case.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I was using it in the general sense more than anything, everyone has a damn motivation and Carnage is just pure fun to watch without worrying about why he wants to do it.

[Breine]

There are rumours flying around that Toby is going to play Bilbo in the upcoming Hobbit movies, which is like "wtf no!!"

- he ain't right for Bilbo!

[Unbreakable Will]

Well, he is new. Maybe we should give him a break.

I thought 3 had a nice balance with the villains. Harry has to have a shot at revenge, Sandman poses a problem but is basically to keep Spidey in business while the symbiote does it's work, and then more revenge when Eddie becomes Venom. It is a bit much but at least it wasn't "Hey! Look at this!" in your face in the first five minutes.

I thought most of the story was a bit too drawn out but what do I know about making movies?

No mercy, Star Wars was insulted. no...this deserves

[I Took the Red Pill]

Liam Neeson seems to be on a roll with action movies. I think he can pull off a teenage superhero right?

oh my god picturing liam neeson walking through the halls of a high school trying to act like a student

i really want this to happen