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    Quote Originally Posted by Shattered Dreamer View Post
    Since Kojima is working on MGS5 I wouldn't bother treating this as a serious sequel to MGS4. I'm guess the plot to Rising is still going to deal with how Raiden became a cyborg & how he rescued Sunny from the Patriots. It would be odd if that wasn't the plot to be honest!
    Hate to break it to ya. MGS5 is not confirmed to be in development. Project Ogre and the new Fox Engine may be a sign of the next MGS entry, but as of now Kojima still stands by MGS4 being the last game for Solid Snake. The plot from Rising has changed significantly. It will no longer be between the second and fourth game. It's now post MGS4. I would very surprised if Sunny returned for Rising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nirojan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shattered Dreamer View Post
    Since Kojima is working on MGS5 I wouldn't bother treating this as a serious sequel to MGS4. I'm guess the plot to Rising is still going to deal with how Raiden became a cyborg & how he rescued Sunny from the Patriots. It would be odd if that wasn't the plot to be honest!
    Hate to break it to ya. MGS5 is not confirmed to be in development. Project Ogre and the new Fox Engine may be a sign of the next MGS entry, but as of now Kojima still stands by MGS4 being the last game for Solid Snake. The plot from Rising has changed significantly. It will no longer be between the second and fourth game. It's now post MGS4. I would very surprised if Sunny returned for Rising.
    It's post MGS4? Oh that's just wrong........

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    So they decided Metal Gear Rising should become No More Heroes without the tongue in cheek satire? You know, I wasn't interested to begin with but now after watching that trailer, I'm going to just pretend it doesn't exist. Please Kojima, and Konami, and all the MGS fans out there in the interweb, just let MGS rest in peace...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivi22 View Post
    But more importantly, the only way I could see any of this as cheapening stuff that happened in previous games is if you treat it as a serious sequel. And frankly, if you're coming at it from that angle then you're kind of doing it wrong. It's clearly intended to be an over the top action title, and viewing it as anything else, at least for now, is a bit premature.
    I suppose you're right. Like I said, the whole 80s metal direction is pretty fun and I guess with an over the top title just meant to be fun, there's nothing wrong with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
    Please Kojima, and Konami, and all the MGS fans out there in the interweb, just let MGS rest in peace...
    I don't mean to hound you, Wolf (no pun intended...originally) but I just don't get why people say this. The man's done five main entries of the Solid series in 13 years... there's less deserving series that have been far more diluted, yet these have all been amazing; a credible argument can be made that they're the best games on their platforms. I suppose some people want him to direct in different franchises, but that's kinda moot when there's so many fresh ideas in each new game. I can't speak for anyone else but when you have a series that consistently puts out the best games in town and they don't release on that repetitive of a schedule... I can't help but celebrate every time a new one's announced. I don't think you have a claim considering you haven't played Peace Walker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    So they decided Metal Gear Rising should become No More Heroes without the tongue in cheek satire? You know, I wasn't interested to begin with but now after watching that trailer, I'm going to just pretend it doesn't exist. Please Kojima, and Konami, and all the MGS fans out there in the interweb, just let MGS rest in peace...
    Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolivar View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
    Please Kojima, and Konami, and all the MGS fans out there in the interweb, just let MGS rest in peace...
    I don't mean to hound you, Wolf (no pun intended...originally) but I just don't get why people say this. The man's done five main entries of the Solid series in 13 years... there's less deserving series that have been far more diluted, yet these have all been amazing; a credible argument can be made that they're the best games on their platforms. I suppose some people want him to direct in different franchises, but that's kinda moot when there's so many fresh ideas in each new game. I can't speak for anyone else but when you have a series that consistently puts out the best games in town and they don't release on that repetitive of a schedule... I can't help but celebrate every time a new one's announced.
    I just feel bad for the guy, he's been trying to duck out of the franchise since MGS2 and even tried to kill Snake off for good in MGS4. Why can't fans just accept there is nothing else to tell and just let the series end on a high point rather than risk the chance of overextending the franchise and allowing it to finally fall from grace. Besides, we both agree Kojima's a great game designer, so does it really matter if he's working on something that isn't MGS? He's still going to bring those fresh ideas he would have in an MGS title to any game he works on, so why can't we let him move on and perhaps make sequels to some other high profile franchises he's made like Snatcher or Zone of the Enders. I mean for smurf sake, even Nomura and Sakeguchi got to make and direct non-FF games over the years. Outside of being called in to finish up Castlevania Lord of Shadows and finally producing the third Boktai game Lunar Knights, he's been doing nothing but MGS for the last several years. Let the poor man move on, he's only been asking fans for ten years now.


    I don't think you have a claim considering you haven't played Peace Walker.
    I've played the demo, the Japanese one to be exact, so its not like I don't know anything about the game. Personally, I feel I've been hesitant to play it because I'm afraid it will play overall like MGS4 and be more of a third person shooter than a high stakes stealth title. The demo, and my second round with MGS4 kind of killed my interest back when I picked it up, but I guess it's collected enough dust if you're going to pick on me for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    Let the poor man move on, he's only been asking fans for ten years now.
    He's not writing this game, or directing it. Another developer entirely is actually making the thing. How is that not letting him move on?

    And honestly, here's the problem I have with fans crying out to let him move on at this point: he can move on at any time. He doesn't have to make another MGS title for he rest of his life. Konami can certainly ask him to, but he's one of the only well known Japanese game designers who could go off on his own and be swimming in investors to start up a new developer who hasn't already done it. If he's sick of doing MGS games, he certainly has the clout to outright tell Konami he's going to do something else or walk, and probably have them bend over backwards to keep him if only because they have no one else. Kojima is the only one over there who has been consistently putting out titles that are actually worth playing for years.

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    Considering how good ZOE 2nd Runner was I'd love if Kojima did ZOE3! I will agree the MGS universe has little story to tell, Ocelot is dead, Liquid & Solidus dead, Snake with very little time left, FOXDIE dies along with Snake & the Patriots are gone. But then again Raiden, Otacon, Meryl, Johnny & Sunny are alive if they really wanted too they could possibly be another MGS game. A possible route can they take is that another of the Les Enfant Terribles didn't die & you have a ready made villain right there (Liquid mentions to Snake in MGS they were originally Octuplets). It also wouldn't be beyond Kojima to retcon some part of the story to bring a villain back I mean the series is full of retcons already!

    My only problem with MGR:R is that instead of sticking with a gamestory that bridges MGS2 & MGS4 together, which is the game I for one really wanted, we're potentially getting something new. I guess we'll just have to wait & see!

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    Y'all are missing the point here, and the point is thus:

    Revengeance?

    Oh Japan, you so crazy


    there was a picture here

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    Hate to break the news here, but apparently there will be another MGS title. Sorry WK looks like he won't be making anything other than MGS for awhile.
    Stealth Will Return in Next Metal Gear Solid Sequel

    When asked about the stealth in rising, he responded that there'll be no stealth mechanics, but not to worry since the next MGS sequel will have stealth. Bummer MGS4 was such a great highnote to end the series on.

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    1. I'm not sure why people are saying Snake/Otacon/Raiden/Sunny all had their stories wrapped up and there's no more stories to tell after MGS4. You make it sound like MGS3 and Peace Walker don't exist.

    2. Wolf, I hate to say it, but it's been confirmed: You're not a Metal Gear fan. Not being interested in buying a PSP is one thing, but if you actually own the game and can able to resist playing it, you're just not a fan of the series. Privileges revoked!!!

    3. Don't tell me about "poor Kojima." Poor Kojima is on the board of directors of one of the largest video game publishers in the world. He's stated in many interviews that since MGS3 he's always intended to hand the games off to one of his proteges, but once development gets started he can't help but jump back into the hot seat. Considering how far out of left field Peace Walker came, it seems like that was something he really wanted to do himself.

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    Extended Trailer coming in:
    METAL GEAR RISING REVENGEANCE - VGA TRAILER Website Ver.


    @Vivi: found the article i was taking about:

    Word for word from Shigenobu Matsuyama:
    However, with MGS Rising, the key word is zan-datsu. "Zan" means to kick and cut and "datsu" means to take. We will have the stealth element as well. It's not the stealth you normally have played in MGS. It will be purely based on action. I call it the Hunting Stealth. You will be the hunter. You will hide because you don't want to be spotted by the enemy.
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...sing-interview
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolivar View Post
    1. I'm not sure why people are saying Snake/Otacon/Raiden/Sunny all had their stories wrapped up and there's no more stories to tell after MGS4. You make it sound like MGS3 and Peace Walker don't exist.
    What wasn't wrapped up from MGS3, admittedly I've never played Peace Walker (I have to wait until February 2012 for the HD collection European release)? Seriously enlighten me because I can't think of anything they missed.

    I did however think of a loose end from MGS4, Doctor Madnar conveniently fixes Raiden & this is seemingly passed over in the story . I get a feeling from the new Rising trailer with all the cyborg enhancement flying about he's probably involved in some way.

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    Personally I'm more concerned about the complete change in story and time period. The game play looks wonderful and the trailer is ridiculous, almost to the point of self parody. I love it. I am excited for this game.

    Dunno about the title really either. Revengance? Oh well, at least it's not Dream Drop Distance.
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