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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
    - I must be one of the very few people who actually liked the PS3's user interface, because I'm kind of iffy on the new one. Oh well. I don't want pretty pictures, I just want a clean UI where I know where to go for whatever I want to do, and to display decent amounts of information on my screen, not massive ugly blocks like I have on my 360 or groups of updating blocks like on Facebook. Oh well, guess I'll just have to put up with it.
    I still haven't seen it since I just got up, but I did see an article describe the UI as more 360 like before I went to bed. So I'm assuming it's something like the 360 dashboard or the updated playstation store interface we got a while back? Because the only thing I have to say if that's the case is that both of those are some of the worst interfaces I've ever seen.

    Like you, I liked the XMB. It was simple, clean, fast, and optimized well for use with a controller. It was actually one of the few things about the PS3 that I'd say Sony pretty much nailed down perfectly. That they're now going to go and rip off interfaces that look and feel like they were designed by blind monkey's who've never held a controller is disconcerting.

    EDIT: So I've read up on the gist of the announcements a bit more and here are my general thoughts. I haven't seen any actual footage beyond a bit of the video of Destiny, but let's be honest here, I think we've all seen enough console launches to know what to expect from game videos showing off more powerful hardware. I'll watch them later, but I doubt I'm missing much that relevant to discussing the console itself. Anywhere, here we go:

    -Like I said before, social features don't interest me and this was no exception so I'll skip over that.
    - Playstation Eye is standard from the sounds of things and works with the regular Dual Shock now? Not seeing much there for me unless I'm missing something. I've used every variant of motion controls out there right now and the conclusion I've reached is they do nothing for me. They have absolutely no value to the sorts of games I want to play and are at best a cumbersome pain in my ass when they're used. Good on them for at least shoving them in the box at launch for those that want them, but I really doubt that motion controls are suddenly going to show their worth to me 7 ears after the Wii came out and everyone else jumped on that bandwagon.
    - I'm really not seeing the value in this touchpad on the controller. I'll wait and see what it gets used for I suppose, but I'm not expecting much. The only thing I can figure is it's there for some sort of cross platform play with Vita titles since it has the touchscreen and pad. If you could play Vita titles on the PS4 that would actually be pretty cool.
    - The prospect of streaming PSX, PS2, and PS3 titles for backwards compatibility is interesting. People with troutty connections are boned though. And we'll have to see what the price structure is. I'd rather it be subscription based than paying for specific titles to be honest. I have absolutely no desire to "buy" titles that I don't own and may not be able to access if the service or Sony ever go belly up. But a monthly fee for access to the back catalogue for those three consoles? That's something I might be able to get behind.
    - The downloading while you play/downloading before you buy is interesting if it all works, but certainly not a bunch of added value to me. I have a fast internet connection and never had a problem with just letting something download for a few minutes. It's convenient don't get me wrong, but since it has no impact on the actual games it's only mildly interesting to me.

    And now for the real bread and butter:
    - The fairly standard PC hardware interests me because we won't see consoles holding back PC titles for a while, and it will mean easier porting. Both of these interest me since I really don't have much desire to pay a few hundred dollars to jump into a closed gaming system that a big company controls with an iron fist again. I love the openness of PC gaming, the tweakability that comes with it, and that no one can really come along and tell me how to enjoy my gaming rig.

    Now, don't get me wrong, that stuff is good for Sony too. Proprietary hardware that was difficult to develop for almost cost them the current console generation completely, and certainly did cost them a huge lead they had going in. But I'm not seeing anything that's making me want to jump in with both feet again what with some of the stupidity these console manufacturers are prone to. At best what I'm willing to say right now is that I will wait and see how things shake out a couple of years post launch. In the mean time, my socks are still firmly in place.

    But perhaps that's a little unfair. At this point I'm not sure a console or it's features could really wow me anymore. I care about what games can do with the hardware, not what the hardware is or what it does outside of gaming. So about the only take away from this for me is: new consoles are coming and they're a lot more powerful so expect bigger, prettier games, with better AI and such.

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    This is what happens when people bitch about things, sadly. The people who enjoy them are never as vocal, and change happens. Glad I'm not alone in my thoughts on it all, though! And yeah, it's similar to the PS Store more than the 360 layout (or at least, the 360 layout as it was back when I played ME3).

    EDIT: Hopefully, since they're so big on "Personalise", they'll at least give us an option to change the layout.
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    Just a side note for 4K, you really expected them to throw they're backing for it? I mean it'll take at least 5-10 years for it to catch on (seeing how the cheapest 4k set I've seen is over 10 grand).

    The Witcher 3:Wild Hunt just got confirmed for PS4:
    http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/02/2...-playstation-4
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    I expected them to at least allow for the possibility that 4K will take off and become cheaper over the next few years and therefore more people to open up to the idea of 4K gaming. Personally I'm not that concerned as I doubt I'll buy a 4K TV anytime soon and it keeps the cost down. I just know a lot of people were talking about 4K before the event.
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    PS4 Will NOT BLOCK USED GAMES
    Sony Exec: PlayStation 4 Doesn

    @Bob Yeah that's pretty much in line with most most consumers are thinking at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
    This is what happens when people bitch about things, sadly. The people who enjoy them are never as vocal, and change happens. Glad I'm not alone in my thoughts on it all, though! And yeah, it's similar to the PS Store more than the 360 layout (or at least, the 360 layout as it was back when I played ME3).

    EDIT: Hopefully, since they're so big on "Personalise", they'll at least give us an option to change the layout.
    I just feel the need to say again that the current PS Store layout is possibly the worst UI I've ever seen from a console manufacturer (tied with the 360 dashboard probably, if not slightly better than it). It makes it more difficult to navigate with a controller, and harder to find what you want, as well as being a hell of a lot slower (not that I expect that to be a problem on the PS4 anyway).

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    Well, colour me intrigued. I like the idea of rewinding and screenshotting games and I like the idea of making a single player game like Fallout or Mass Effect a shared experience. I assume the feature works without you actually playing the game (ie a video stream?) so you can see a friend messing about on a game and decide if you want it. I'm not letting anyone take control of my games though wtf.

    Nothing that's been announced so far has made me want to get one at release though. Couple of games interest me but nothing is leaping out as something I MUST HAVE. We'll see what Microsoft have to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    Well, colour me intrigued. I like the idea of rewinding and screenshotting games and I like the idea of making a single player game like Fallout or Mass Effect a shared experience. I assume the feature works without you actually playing the game (ie a video stream?) so you can see a friend messing about on a game and decide if you want it.
    Yeah, this seems to be the case - particularly considering that they uploaded to Facebook during the show (there should be the uploaded stream on the Killzone page on Facebook, apparently).

    The big question will be how many of the games mentioned will be Sony exclusives, too. I doubt Bungie will have gone Sony exclusive all of a sudden, for example. If Blizzard and Sony get in bed with each other and Blizzard churns out console games for them exclusively, that would be interesting indeed. I don't think it'll happen, though. I think exclusives are almost a thing of the past, Nintendo/MS/Sony developer houses aside. I'm thinking that the reason we didn't hear about things like Uncharted 4 etc. is down to them wanting to keep some of the limelight at E3. If Sony have no massive big new information (and the look of the console for me is unimportant, so...) about what is in their lineup, they will be playing second fiddle to MS's 720 announcement throughout E3, which would be a shame.

    Developers that are confirmed for PS4 (according to the slide shown at the event)
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    4A Games
    505 Games
    5th Cell
    Activision
    Acquire
    Arc System Works
    Artdink
    ASCII Media Works
    Atlus
    Avalanche Studios
    Behaviour Interactive
    Bethesda
    Blitz Games Studios
    Blizzard
    Bloober Team
    Bohemia Interactive
    Certain Affinity
    Capcom
    City Interactive
    CD Projekt
    Climax
    Codemasters Racing
    Crafts & Meister
    Criterion Games
    Croteam
    Curve Studios
    CyberConnect 2
    D3 Publisher
    Devolver Digital
    Dimps
    Disney
    Double Fine
    Double Helix games
    Drinkbox Studios
    EA
    Edge of Reality
    Farsight Studios
    Fatshark
    Flying Wild Hog
    From Software
    Frozenbyte
    Gaijin Entertainment
    Gaijin Games
    Ganbarion
    Gearbox Software
    Genki
    Grasshopper Manufacture
    Gust Co.
    Hello Games
    GungHo
    Idea Factory
    Imageepoch
    InXile Entertainment
    Just Add Water
    Kadokawa Games
    Kalypso Media
    Keen Games
    Klei Entertainment
    Konami
    Lab Zero, Inc
    Level-5
    LucasArts
    Lucid Games
    Marvelous AQL
    Mediatonic
    MercuryStream
    Milestone
    Namco Bandai
    Nicalis
    Ninja Theory
    Nippon Ichi
    Nixxes
    Paradox Interactive
    Platinum Games
    Quantic Dream
    Rebellion Developments
    Rockstar
    Rovio
    Saber Interactive
    Sega
    Slant Six Games
    Sony Online Entertainment
    Spark Unlimited
    Spike Chunsoft
    Splash Damage
    Square Enix
    Stainless Games
    Starbreeze Studios
    Straight Right
    SystemSoft
    Team 17
    TechLand
    Tecmo Koei
    Telltale Games
    Tri-Ace
    Turtle Rock
    Ubisoft
    Vector Cell
    Vlambeer
    Warner Bros
    Wayforward Technologies
    Yager
    Yuke's
    Zombie Studios


    Missing from the slide: thatgamecompany, Playdead, Insomniac Games, Riot Games, Media.Vision, Mojang, Obsidian Entertainment, ZeniMax Media (id Software), Zynga (), Piranha Bytes, United Front Games, 3D Realms, Valve, Mistwalker, n-Space, Crytek and - rather shockingly - Microsoft and Nintendo.
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    ^ Blizzard and everyone else kinda confirmed after the show that their stuff will be coming to "other next gen consoles" as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    Well, colour me intrigued. I like the idea of rewinding and screenshotting games and I like the idea of making a single player game like Fallout or Mass Effect a shared experience.
    It'd be great if you could record video gaming sessions, which would make doing video game walkthroughs alot easier. Screenshots though just add to this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolivar View Post
    This is why I've called it emotional. Most reactions range from "meh" to "nice" yet here's MILF saying "RIP Sony" and "Redmond is laughing." I honestly cant believe in 2013 people are still hung up on the Microsoft vs. Sony thing, especially when a lot of us have just gone back to Steam. It reminds me of the last thread about how well the PS3 has done but MILF thought it important to remind us all about marketing strategies and consumer demographics. These are machines that play videogames. Can anyone please explain to me why this other stuff matters?

    Ive seen a lot of discussions about what we want to see next generation. I would love if gamers stopped the corporate marketing spin and put the fanboyism to rest. I don't ever remember talking about if the ps2 was better than the gamecube. And we never evaluated Sega and Nintendo based on their business strategies and press conferences. We talked about their features and their games.

    Damn I miss those days.
    >bolivar calling other people out for being hung up on MS v. Sony

    asjdbhashdbashbdhabahahahhahaoh wow son, oh wow.

    All I've said is that it was a terrible presentation which didn't do anything to make me want to buy a PS4. I'm not entirely sure where my big diva-esque emotion is coming from in that, but okay. I think it's funny and disappointing because Sony should know better and yet they've made all kinds of mistakes, and you seem to be missing the fact that I am dismissing them precisely BECAUSE they are trying to hit every square on the Buzzword Bingo to please investors rather than to actually provide us with videogames. I'm critical precisely BECAUSE the companies have shifted the focus away from videogames and towards facebook integration and motion control and other bulltrout. You're acting like nothing has changed except some of us have randomly decided to invent a bunch of stuff to complain about when it's really been the shift in the companies, their focus, and their presentation. We didn't talk about Nintendo and SEGA like this because when they held a press conference about their new consoles they actually showed the damn console and a bunch of exciting games for it.

    Also yeah I think in a thread about how well the PS3 did in terms of sales it was legit to discuss factors that influence sales figures? I dunno, I mean maybe not, but it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
    Mojang, Obsidian Entertainment, ZeniMax Media
    oh, well, smurf that for a laugh then.

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    Honestly, after this last console generation, I can't say I'm really looking excited for the next generation just yet. I'm probably just going to stay on the sidelines for this and wait for someone to finally announce (and show) something I can really get behind cause I'm with Vivi22 where I don't give a smurf about the hardware, I'm more interested in how the software developers will use it to make better games.

    Most of the features people have mentioned sound like things I would never use, but I'll echo BoB that I am happy it wasn't just an hour of explaining how I can connect to all my social network sites, Netflix (now with ESPN!), and how its compatible with our new generation of HDTV 3D capable TVs. I like when my game consoles are actual game consoles and not "entertainment systems".

    I can honestly say I'm not interested in streaming old games though, I get terrible service where I live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF View Post
    All I've said is that it was a terrible presentation which didn't do anything to make me want to buy a PS4. I'm not entirely sure where my big diva-esque emotion is coming from in that, but okay. I think it's funny and disappointing because Sony should know better and yet they've made all kinds of mistakes, and you seem to be missing the fact that I am dismissing them precisely BECAUSE they are trying to hit every square on the Buzzword Bingo to please investors rather than to actually provide us with videogames. I'm critical precisely BECAUSE the companies have shifted the focus away from videogames and towards facebook integration and motion control and other bulltrout.
    I'm curious - putting the lack of showing the console itself aside, what were you expecting out of the announcement of the PS4 being official? Yes, they mentioned the sharing and social media stuff, but they didn't emphasise them nearly as much as perhaps you are thinking. They spent loads of time, however, with games being played. Hell, the IGN crowd all seemed united in it being a 30-60 minute event showing off perhaps a short reel of games in a single quick video. Instead, we got a number of five to ten minute sessions showcasing a variety of games. A lot of time was spent showing off to devs, that's for certain, but they have all year to show off to the people. Without the devs, they'll get nowhere.
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    If they had cut the bulltrout the thing would have lasted about half an hour. The devs should already be on board and have dev kits in their hands, for that matter.

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