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I think a safe assumption as well is Daltons entire contribution to this ploy, mind you, was supplying the arsenal. I mighty arsenal it may have been, but it is still Dalton. For the most part I think we can assume it's Crono and Marle Vs. Fate/Lynx.
Except even if Dalton's power and knowledge of tech may be impressive in Crono's time period, but I seriously doubt Dalton could recreate actual Zeal level technology and Arcane ability. I would be enough to topple Guardia but not enough to topple Crono and Marle who fought toe to toe with Zeal's best as well as the advanced science of Robo's original time period so I find it hard to swallow that somehow an incompetent military officer could recreate Guru-grade inventions, but it is plausible he could create enough to give Porre and edge, just not one I believe would beat Crono and Marle.
Don't forget, Dalton can't recreate Zeal technology. Zeal technology was all driven and powered by Lavos. Without the Ocean Palace and the Mammon Machine, Dalton would have no way to tap into that power source. The earlier Zeal tech, based off of solar power and the sunstone, was all sealed away, and Dalton doesn't have Schala's Pendant to open it. Not to mention, I think it's even less likely that he have knowledge of the old tech.

And it's also silly to say Lynx lost to some boy from a fisher village. Not only because Crono too was just some guy, yet he managed to overcome incredible odds. And also, mind you, he got his ass smoked by Lavos in solo combat.
It's true Crono came from common roots but its also stated Crono practices swordplay for fun and considering what he goes through in CT, I feel its safe to assume he is the more experienced fighter between him and Serge. Serge tended to think his way out of problems as opposed to direct ass kicking. As for Lavos beating his ass, we know Lavos didn't really kill him, instead the party in the body snatched him instead, the real Crono beat Lavos with two other allies, not to mention the other uber powerful beings he helped topple.

The other thing I would point out is that FATE is trapped in Chronopolis, Lynx is simply a gentically altered and brain washed human working as Fate's avatar outside its base of operations. Lynx himself gets his ass kicked by Serge and company a few times before Dark Serge merges with the real FATE for the final battle with Serge meaning that Lynx is not all powerful and is in fact rather vulnerable compared to the real deal. To me that means Lucca or even Crono and Marle could have bested Lynx if they had to fight.
Let's not forget that Chrono only becomes more powerful after his first failure. By the end of the game, Chrono is quite capable of taking on even Lavos's uber version by himself.

Next, fighting a single enemy, no matter how powerful, is an entirely different matter then fighting an army. Mind you an army armed with trout none of your troops could possibly be prepared for, and backed up by Fate itself. Take into account Crono and Marle, much in contrast to the previous fights you mentioned, didn't have to worry about other people getting killed in their battles.
Well first off, FATE didn't help Porre, nor did Lynx. It was all Dalton because Lynx and Harle's only target was Lucca and that was just so they could both get to the Frozen Flame, they also attacked the orphanage ten years after Guardia falls, meaning Lucca would have been there to fight Dalton and the Porre army. So now its just Crono, Marle, and Lucca versus Dalton and his army. Crono who fought off the Guardia army of the present time, Magus' Mystic army and even helped best Magus himself, fought off the Reptites and their honest to god pet dinosaurs, fought off an army of killer robots and mutants in the future and busted their way into the most heavily fortified fortress in Zeal. Not only are they all experienced with fighting armies, I would like to point out that CT even gives an in-game reason for why you could only travel in groups of three, meaning that Crono and Co are just that strong. Crono and company even fought with the Guardia army of 600 A.D. so while the issue of lives being at stake is relevant, I don't necessarily feel its absolute proof of a weakness because both of them are experienced with witnessing mass death and comrades dying. Certainly it being their home would be a factor but it could also go the other way and may have been used as a driving force for all of them to go all out to minimize casualties.
Yeah, fighting armies is honestly most of what you do in Chrono Trigger. Reptite Army, Dalton's Army in Zeal (also the weakest of them), Magus's Army, Guardia's Army, and Mother Brain's Army of Robots. You fight at least one army in every time period. And slaughter them all.

I do agree that a lot of this was pulled out of their ass, but in the end I don't think it creates as many problems as you seem to think it does. We are given plenty of reason to see just why Lynx and Fate are such formidable foes.
I've shown that FATE was largely a no-show and is not a factor in most of the CT's party's fate, and in truth I'm pretty sure Kato's honest answer to the issues that happened between the two games and the CT cast's fate is that he simply half-assed wrote them out of the story so they would be a non-factor in CC, cause it would have diminished the new cast. He said as much when he decided to write Magus out of the CC script because he felt he would overshadow most of the CC cast and he wanted players to like the new characters and use them. I still feel that Kato wrote himself into a corner and I would love to see him try to write himself out of it without getting lynched.
Yep. He wanted to write a new work that wasn't constantly overshadowed by the old cast. Which is kind of silly, because we all know the old cast, and they'd be in our minds for a sequel no matter what you do.