Oh man I hate that tooOriginally Posted by Del Murder
Poor Grey Wind and Lady.
Oh man I hate that tooPoor Grey Wind and Lady.
But Robb wasn't making a claim to the Iron Throne, he was bidding for independence, so the legitimacy or otherwise of his claim on it is meaningless.
(That was aimed at Del, I am too dumb to know when there's a new page)
As far as I remeber in the books it says Catelyn was not supposed to be killed but ended up dead as she killed a Frey (someone can correct me if I'm wrong). So right until her dying breath she smurfed up.
In truth the Red Wedding is a chapter I skip in re-reads. I jsut can't do it. i read it once and that was it. However I agree with Psy. The big picture is being lost here. People are still thinkng Game Of Thrones is Stark Vs Lannister. It's not. It never was. The'yre just 2 of the three houses we met in book 1. The scope is far wider than that. There are no comfortable plot ties that will settle everone down,. Don't get me wrong the antagonists dont always win but neither to the protagonists. It's a mirror on reality where everyone gets trout on at some point and in the far north there are a race of humanoids that are willing to trout on everyone, equally.
I'm really not sure attempting to save your remaining son's life after you've also had a crossbow quarrel through the shoulder as well is smurfing up.
If all he wanted was the North then why the hell would he march on Casterly Rock?
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I was being facetious. Everyone blames her for everything, i was playing along.I'm really not sure attempting to save your remaining son's life after you've also had a crossbow quarrel through the shoulder as well is smurfing up.
The Lannister's had his father executed, kidnapped his sisters, and weren't very likely to let Robb just sit up in the North and keep to himself if he wasn't willing to swear allegiance to Joffrey. It was either take the fight to them or sit up there and wait for them to come to him. In fairness, his plan was working until he cocked it all up with his cock.
Robb declared war on the Lannisters over his father's captivity/death. The goal was revenge (presumably through Joffrey's and Tywin's heads) and to rescue his sisters. It was shortly thereafter that Robb also laid his claim as King of the North and declared independence as well. So while the North was Robb's only political goal, and Huxley is right that Robb never sought the Iron Throne, the reason Robb continued the invasion regardless was to avenge his father and get Sansa and Arya back.
Wars based on revenge never end well. I still think he should have holed away up North, declared himself king, and let the Lannisters try to remark otherwise in the freezing cold.
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Robb's okay at tactics but he's pretty terrible at strategy.
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heh, stark.
yeah okay. the events that occurred were definitely a shock to me, but the characters involved were never really the most interesting storyline to me anyway.
I know it seems like the worst thing in the world - it's supposed to. But at this point in the story, only 2 POV characters have died - Cat and Ned. Yes, Robb is a major character on the show, but as many of you are correctly guessing, this is not a story about the young hero king who's had everything in life handed to him. This is a story about the cripple, the bastard, the dwarf, the tomboy, the smuggler, etc. A lot of people have been murdered in Westeros at this point, sometimes it happens to characters you've been following for a while because the storyteller has to let you know that he's playing for real.
For a million and one reasons. In the books, which are heavily grounded in medieval realism, the Lannister commanders are in constant fear that Robb will do just that, knowing full well he has no southron ambitions outside The Trident. Sacking Casterly Rock shows the realm that Joffrey is no true king and the Lannisters cannot even defend their own lands. It erodes supporters from them and wins a few allies by showing that they can win strategic victories, and big ones at that. A sack also increases morale, which Robb's troops were in dire need for at this point.
This is actually a very legitimate concern that many book readers ask when you get to this point in the story, where literally nothing good is happening and you have to ask why you're reading this. I promise that as the story continues, the tone does lighten up a bit to where it was earlier in the story, and some very awesome things happen that you will want to see, and a few big revelations take place very soon about questions you may have had for a while if you've been paying close attention. I promise it's worth it.
I'm about to watch it myself, but from what I've heard, the horror/suspense aspects of it have been lost on the showrunners.
Which would have been an excellent strategy if his objectives didn't include rescuing his sisters from King's Landing, even putting aside the revenge. All else being equal yeah, hiding in the North would be a good plan, but the fact Robb didn't want the Iron Throne for himself doesn't mean he had no objectives to the south and no reason to go there.
Your sources are not credible ones.
Maybe Bran could use his new found powers to Usurp the Throne and take over Joffery and destroy the Lannisters from the inside out...Eventually? That ability of his can lead to all sorts of freaky occurrences and unpredictability.
I am obviously talking super crazy crap but after last night...is there no insanity that will not happen?
Alright, I cleaned up the last few pages of this ridiculous thread. Non-readers have a hard enough time navigating this trout without dozens of generic spoiler tags that don't say whether they're for the book, the show, or just a gif set.
We're not marking TV spoilers. If an episode has aired, it's out there. I don't watch the show when it airs, so I don't come in the thread on Sundays until after I watch the show. It's not hard, and I don't think that's been a problem for anyone here. Do not marked spoilers for aired episodes. If the episode hasn't aired, such as with something you glimpsed in a preview or an information leak, then mark it as a TV spoiler.
Mark book spoilers as book spoilers. Let people know you're saying something from the books. People were good about this for awhile, but at least the last few pages are a mess of just the generic spoiler tag with no indication what's behind the tag. I've edited the last few pages to fix this, but future posts that don't comply will be either edited or deleted, depending on whether or not the non-compliance is becoming unreasonable.
For speculation or comparisons between the TV show and the book, use your discretion. Most don't need spoiler tags, but some will. If you use a spoiler tag, state that you're speculating or comparing.
I think these rules are pretty simple. Just please don't use a generic "spoiler" tag, as there's such a wide variety of types of spoilers and fans in this thread, and please don't bother to put tags on stuff that's already aired as it makes navigating discussion more cumbersome for everyone and doesn't have any benefit since we don't seem to have people dumb enough to read this thread before having watched an episode (at least not often enough to make it worth the cumbersommery).
I'm aware he was being a little facetious; I'm saying that he was also right. Gotta read that trout before someone blindsides you!
That depends very much on your definition of "a break." Though keep in mind the book series is far from over. Even book readers are still just in the middle of the story.
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