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Bloody hell, Everton, don't do that to me.
Liverpool won today. Just thought I should let you know as you were probably keeping an eye on the thrilling local derby victory of Rhyl FC over Prestatyn Town.Originally Posted by Psychotic
To be fair, Joe didn't do you wrong with the Remy signing. I've got him in my work fantasy football team and he makes me very happyOn the other hand, Yohan Kebab.
Bugger off, I'm bringing Prestatyn Town into the Conference North.
I smurfing hate Rhyl. Prestatyn and Llandudno for life.
Be careful, you'll start making me homesick!
Sometimes I wish I could hear posts in their respective member's voice.
(SPOILER)Cefn Cribwr FC represent
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Do you want to hear me say Welsh place names in my dirty English accent? It won't go well.
Also you will both disagree but having been to both North and South Wales twice each in the past year on business (admittedly I went to Cardiff both times in the south and not Swansea) I think the South is a lot grottier than the North and I'd rather live up North. That wasn't what I expected. Newport looked nice for about five minutes until the train went further into town.
Still, both are way better than the Midlands so
Didn't see the game yesterday, but saw the highlights, live text and the stats - we dominated well enough but got killed because our defence doesn't understand how to hold a line or form. Honestly, it was painful watching those highlights, every time we lost out our defence was all over the place.Rooney and Carrick being back but only two or three defenders? Why is that happening? How is that happening? Gah.
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I don't disagree at all, the south is a hotbed of grot and poverty. Also what are you talking about Cardiff is a metropolitan utopia compared to Neath and Swansea and when I started working here I genuinely couldn't get over how much nicer the place was.
Confession timeI've never been further north than Welshpool (apart from Wrexham once or twice to play cricket against them (they have a very nice ground)
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I have an answer for you but I'm afraid I'd sound like a broken record were I to post it.
No, I don't believe that a sole manager can suddenly render a ten-point title-winning side into trash. He should, however, be fixing it. But the players themselves should know better, absolutely. They are capable players who are not playing at their best at all. Also, Vidic is sadly not the player he once was. Guy can't be up there for headers (and he misses them, too - 10 corners, 0 goals from them) because he's too slow to get back to take care of any counter attack.
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See, you can write one or two players not playing as well as they should off as the players, but the whole team? Likewise, Vidic. Yeah, he's not the player he once was - well, there were some good CBs going in the Summer. Sakho and Lovren to name two.That's what you'd expect from the manager of Norwich, not Manchester United.
The whole team isn't playing badly.
Yes, the manager isn't doing brilliantly but the players are the ones giving him the problem. Following up SAF, you expect a "downgrade" no matter what. I do think Moyes is a good manager and I do think he's capable if we give him the time. But the players need to do him a favour and remember how to play.
So says this couch potato manager.
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The North isn't much better - it's also very poor. I genuinely didn't realise by quite how much until I went to university and started living in England.
Confession timeI've only visited anywhere in Wales south of Aberystwyth once, and that was to go to Cardiff. I went to the Senedd which was very nice. And I only went to Aberystwyth about twice.
On topic: Yeah, that Manchester United, eh?
Well, yeah, I do actually. The manager is the one who sets the defensive system and drills it into them in training every week. If you noticed it, why didn't Moyes notice it at half-time and tell them to pull their fingers out?The whole team isn't playing badly.
Yeah, you do, but not that much of a downgrade. The likes of AVB, Mancini and Benitez would be a downgrade on Fergie but they'd still be an upgrade on Moyes. I'm not saying any of those should've been made United manager for obvious reasons but you get the point I'm making. Evidently Roberto Martinez is an upgrade on Moyes ffs!Following up SAF, you expect a "downgrade" no matter what.Why? Not being flippant. If you look at his first few years, up to the point where he got CL qualification, I'd agree. After that they've not made any progress, served up turgid football and flopped in the cups year after year. They stagnated, and Moyes hadn't got any fresh ideas. Along with Stoke and whoever Sam Allardyce was managing, Everton were the worst team in the league to watch. That kind of football can help you punch above your weight but it simply is not the style of play for a team challenging at the top. As I've said before, I really enjoy watching Everton now even though I'm not supposed to.I do think Moyes is a good manager
Did you actually watch much of Everton the last couple of seasons? If you think we played turgid football which was awful to watch, then you obviously have higher expectations of Everton than me. Moyes played a lot of safety first, 4-5-1 but I'd characterise that as more the style in his early, rather than later, Everton career. Compare a team with Thomas Gravesen, Duncan Ferguson, and Steve Watson with one which had Arteta, Pienaar, and Landon Donovan. I know which I'd rather watch. Moyes' teams play decent football. He's not Arsene Wenger (or dare I say it, Roberto Martinez), but he's hardly Tony Pulus or Alan Curbishley.
To be fair, Martinez is living with Moyes' players just as Moyes is living with SAF's players. You point to the manager, I point to the players. You can't judge a manager on a single season because they aren't the manager's players. A manager is more than just the bedding season.
As for Everton, I think everyone knew he was working with a budget that none of the other big clubs were dealing with and was punching above Everton's weight. Now Martinez is doing the same, but if United had signed Martinez as the manager everyone would have said exactly the same things they've said about Moyes, with a few changes. Unproven at a big club, etc. Instead of "No trophies" it'd be "Only one trophy, never stayed at a club for longer than a couple of seasons so uncertain over long term capability."
I still think it's too early to say what's going on with United. He's not signed any of the players he wanted, our first choice defence is a complete unknown and the only certainty is aging considerably, as are Rio and Vidic. Scholes has gone. It's a trouble that needs to be solved, and a certain Ed Woodward smurfed that up big time, not Moyes. Unless the manager has taken on the chairman responsibilities now.
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