Nintendo Counts Down to Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Monol]

Yeah, seriously. It might not be big for, say, an encyclopedia of Nintendo, but that's what trophies are for. This is a fighting game we're talking about here. Besides, how much could they really change the characters from Game 2 to Game 3 without slapping people who played Game 2 in the face about their mains?

What about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.

35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p

[Skyblade]

Yeah, seriously. It might not be big for, say, an encyclopedia of Nintendo, but that's what trophies are for. This is a fighting game we're talking about here. Besides, how much could they really change the characters from Game 2 to Game 3 without slapping people who played Game 2 in the face about their mains?

What about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.

35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p

Kirby is hardly "garbage tier". He may not be as godly as he was in the original, but he is still one of the best characters in the game.

Doc should never have been added. Mario already had a clone anyway, anyone who wants another is being way too picky.

Pichu was probably the single worst character in the game, and one of the least played. Combining the game's lightest character with attacks that also caused him to hurt himself was one of the strangest design choices in the game. I'm not at all surprised to see the suicidal little critter gone. Cuteness is not a substitute for a survival instinct.

As for Roy, well, I liked him, but I can see the trouble of keeping him in the game. There were constant complaints about him being essentially a weaker (overall) version of Marth. Since they had a new Fire Emblem hero to add in, and one who had a signature move that they could incorporate into his Final Smash and Up-B, I can understand the choice of Ike over Roy.

Are people going to be upset? Yes (although anyone upset about Doc leaving deserves to be upset, IMO). Will I miss some of the characters who are gone? Certainly. Do I think that some of them should have been put in instead of some of the newer characters? Yes. Does that mean that I should whine and complain and try to ruin the fun for the people who have been begging for these characters to join up for years? Heck, no.

[KentaRawr!]

Doc was likely removed because his stats barely changed from the originator. Roy was included for advertisement, mostly, and they probably didn't feel obliged to put him in. And Pichu was a pile of dung. :greenie: As for Kirby being so nerfed, I've no idea.

But justifying earlier slaps in the face is not needed. Avoiding slaps is good, no matter how many slaps you've done in the past. Why, if I went to go slap my cat, and then thought about it a month later and then didn't, I think my cat would appreciate the fact that I didn't if she were aware, even though I slapped her before. :mog: But then I poked her. She was kinda disgruntled, but she just meowed and walked away. I think that's because she used Roy.

[Monol]

Yeah, seriously. It might not be big for, say, an encyclopedia of Nintendo, but that's what trophies are for. This is a fighting game we're talking about here. Besides, how much could they really change the characters from Game 2 to Game 3 without slapping people who played Game 2 in the face about their mains?

What about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.

35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p

Kirby is hardly "garbage tier". He may not be as godly as he was in the original, but he is still one of the best characters in the game.

Doc should never have been added. Mario already had a clone anyway, anyone who wants another is being way too picky.

Pichu was probably the single worst character in the game, and one of the least played. Combining the game's lightest character with attacks that also caused him to hurt himself was one of the strangest design choices in the game. I'm not at all surprised to see the suicidal little critter gone. Cuteness is not a substitute for a survival instinct.

As for Roy, well, I liked him, but I can see the trouble of keeping him in the game. There were constant complaints about him being essentially a weaker (overall) version of Marth. Since they had a new Fire Emblem hero to add in, and one who had a signature move that they could incorporate into his Final Smash and Up-B, I can understand the choice of Ike over Roy.

Are people going to be upset? Yes (although anyone upset about Doc leaving deserves to be upset, IMO). Will I miss some of the characters who are gone? Certainly. Do I think that some of them should have been put in instead of some of the newer characters? Yes. Does that mean that I should whine and complain and try to ruin the fun for the people who have been begging for these characters to join up for years? Heck, no.

Kirbys one of the worst characters in the game. Predictable recovery, terrible range, awful prioity, grabs that you can BREAK out if mid animation, weak projectile, and is killed easily...hes not even close to good in melee.

Ruin your fun? lol please im venting. I never said the game was gonna suck and i had no inention of "ruining" anyones fun im just saying pepole have a right to be upset with the final roster. And they do and most are. Does this mean brawl will be any less cool? As you put it so gently "HECK NO" the good faaaaaar out ways the bad in this situation.

Im still rooting for krystal being the game though. Im just that stubron :D

[Creeping Shadow]

Some more wi-fi and a nice look at the fire emblem stage:

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 21 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNDTSwPXqs)

Pictochat fun:

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 17 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdF2m7x_ivw&feature=user)

Yup you guessed it Warioware

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSOvVO-FhJY&feature=user)


Final destination is quite simply gorgeous

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1KZFEPnZx0&feature=user)

[Markus. D]

This will be where I halt my broswing of the site.

I must be strong!

I don't want anything more spoileded :3

[.:kerrod:.]

shield your eyes and run, it can't be stopped, RUN!

[Creeping Shadow]

Youre all gonna hate me for this but I cant help it

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 28 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6UFj_5FUcU&feature=user)

marths final smash total fire emblem 3 refrence.:D

[Serapy]

No! Pichu is the strongest character ever! He can carry the whole universe.

[.:kerrod:.]

i totally played as pichu today and nearly killed myself! :p and that wasnt on purpose, like it usually is :D

[Skyblade]

Yeah, seriously. It might not be big for, say, an encyclopedia of Nintendo, but that's what trophies are for. This is a fighting game we're talking about here. Besides, how much could they really change the characters from Game 2 to Game 3 without slapping people who played Game 2 in the face about their mains?

What about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.

35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p

Kirby is hardly "garbage tier". He may not be as godly as he was in the original, but he is still one of the best characters in the game.

Doc should never have been added. Mario already had a clone anyway, anyone who wants another is being way too picky.

Pichu was probably the single worst character in the game, and one of the least played. Combining the game's lightest character with attacks that also caused him to hurt himself was one of the strangest design choices in the game. I'm not at all surprised to see the suicidal little critter gone. Cuteness is not a substitute for a survival instinct.

As for Roy, well, I liked him, but I can see the trouble of keeping him in the game. There were constant complaints about him being essentially a weaker (overall) version of Marth. Since they had a new Fire Emblem hero to add in, and one who had a signature move that they could incorporate into his Final Smash and Up-B, I can understand the choice of Ike over Roy.

Are people going to be upset? Yes (although anyone upset about Doc leaving deserves to be upset, IMO). Will I miss some of the characters who are gone? Certainly. Do I think that some of them should have been put in instead of some of the newer characters? Yes. Does that mean that I should whine and complain and try to ruin the fun for the people who have been begging for these characters to join up for years? Heck, no.

Kirbys one of the worst characters in the game. Predictable recovery, terrible range, awful prioity, grabs that you can BREAK out if mid animation, weak projectile, and is killed easily...hes not even close to good in melee.

Ruin your fun? lol please im venting. I never said the game was gonna suck and i had no inention of "ruining" anyones fun im just saying pepole have a right to be upset with the final roster. And they do and most are. Does this mean brawl will be any less cool? As you put it so gently "HECK NO" the good faaaaaar out ways the bad in this situation.

Im still rooting for krystal being the game though. Im just that stubron :D

Root all you want. I have absolutely no trouble with people rooting for their own characters. There's plenty of characters I'm still rooting for even though the chances of more characters being in the game is so slim as to be non-existent. Rooting for more than what is there right now is why this game has reached the incredibly high mark that it is at already. And it's fine to miss things that aren't in the game, I just don't think anyone should complain about things being added.

Some of Kirby's throws can be broken, but they are all fairly powerful. He's also got decent Smash power, good recovery (sorry, most recoverys are "predictable", as you put it, and Kirby's has good range and some ways to keep people guessing), fast normal attacks, and one hell of a versatile move selection. Yeah, the star projectile may suck, but when you eat Samus, Mewtwo, Fox, Falco, Link, Young Link, etcetera, you get access to some of the game's higher power and more fun projectiles. He's extremely well rounded, and, while he may not be perfect he is still one very useful little puffball.

Anyway, I'm liking the way the site's going now. I'm going to do my best to stop watching these insanely fun spoiler vids and pics, and just keep track of the main site. I probably won't succeed, but I'll make the effort.

[Monol]

Yeah, seriously. It might not be big for, say, an encyclopedia of Nintendo, but that's what trophies are for. This is a fighting game we're talking about here. Besides, how much could they really change the characters from Game 2 to Game 3 without slapping people who played Game 2 in the face about their mains?

What about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.

35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p

Kirby is hardly "garbage tier". He may not be as godly as he was in the original, but he is still one of the best characters in the game.

Doc should never have been added. Mario already had a clone anyway, anyone who wants another is being way too picky.

Pichu was probably the single worst character in the game, and one of the least played. Combining the game's lightest character with attacks that also caused him to hurt himself was one of the strangest design choices in the game. I'm not at all surprised to see the suicidal little critter gone. Cuteness is not a substitute for a survival instinct.

As for Roy, well, I liked him, but I can see the trouble of keeping him in the game. There were constant complaints about him being essentially a weaker (overall) version of Marth. Since they had a new Fire Emblem hero to add in, and one who had a signature move that they could incorporate into his Final Smash and Up-B, I can understand the choice of Ike over Roy.

Are people going to be upset? Yes (although anyone upset about Doc leaving deserves to be upset, IMO). Will I miss some of the characters who are gone? Certainly. Do I think that some of them should have been put in instead of some of the newer characters? Yes. Does that mean that I should whine and complain and try to ruin the fun for the people who have been begging for these characters to join up for years? Heck, no.

Kirbys one of the worst characters in the game. Predictable recovery, terrible range, awful prioity, grabs that you can BREAK out if mid animation, weak projectile, and is killed easily...hes not even close to good in melee.

Ruin your fun? lol please im venting. I never said the game was gonna suck and i had no inention of "ruining" anyones fun im just saying pepole have a right to be upset with the final roster. And they do and most are. Does this mean brawl will be any less cool? As you put it so gently "HECK NO" the good faaaaaar out ways the bad in this situation.

Im still rooting for krystal being the game though. Im just that stubron :D

Root all you want. I have absolutely no trouble with people rooting for their own characters. There's plenty of characters I'm still rooting for even though the chances of more characters being in the game is so slim as to be non-existent. Rooting for more than what is there right now is why this game has reached the incredibly high mark that it is at already. And it's fine to miss things that aren't in the game, I just don't think anyone should complain about things being added.

Some of Kirby's throws can be broken, but they are all fairly powerful. He's also got decent Smash power, good recovery (sorry, most recoverys are "predictable", as you put it, and Kirby's has good range and some ways to keep people guessing), fast normal attacks, and one hell of a versatile move selection. Yeah, the star projectile may suck, but when you eat Samus, Mewtwo, Fox, Falco, Link, Young Link, etcetera, you get access to some of the game's higher power and more fun projectiles. He's extremely well rounded, and, while he may not be perfect he is still one very useful little puffball.

Anyway, I'm liking the way the site's going now. I'm going to do my best to stop watching these insanely fun spoiler vids and pics, and just keep track of the main site. I probably won't succeed, but I'll make the effort.


Wow this is piling on nicely. Two of kirbys throws can be broken. His up throw and down throw are the only guranteed throws. Throws arent useful because of their "power" there used to set up for combos or chain grabs. Kirbys down throw can easily be punished by floatier characters (like luigi...grr) with a neutral air. Kirbys up throw sets up for up air combos but thats it and that can EASILY be DI'ed out of. When i say predictable i mean "easy" to edgeguard. Kirby lags after each jump so its not hard to predict where hes gonna go and what hes gonna do (If he goes for a swallowcide you simply wait because hes gonna lose vertical plus he doesnt go far with each jump). With marth and roys recovery they can at least delay theres at set intervals with their over b's. Dk at least has knock back on his and good horizontal recovery. Mario and doc can fire ball and pill spam to intimidate edge guarders. Even pichu can hug ledges with his up b. His "fast" attacks as i said before have NO priority and power so there meaningless unless for juggles. Watch competitive kirbys, they abuse no b attacks. Why? Because if they miss the swallow they can be punished and even if they do get the move they lose after about 2-3 hits anyways. Versitle? This i wont argue...but none of his moves are all that useful. His hammer blows (to laggy) and his down b is predictable if used offensivly and can easily be punished with a grab. But he is a fun little dude (mewtwo kirby is the bomb...to bad we'll never see him again ((or will we? muhahaha)) :( )

Nice to see your dedication to avoid spoilers. I know i couldnt do it :p
Good luck

[Skyblade]

The quote pyramid is unneeded and cumbersome, so I won't continue it.

We will have Lucario Kirby instead of Mewtwo Kirby, since Lucario seems to have inherited Mewtwo's Shadow Ball. Sure, it's technically a different move, but it has the same gameplay, from what I've seen. So we won't lose much.

I agree that Kirby's forward and backward throws are largely useless (unless you are really good with your timing, in which case any of his throws are very dangerous), but his up and down throws have plenty of uses.

Kirby's recoveries are only easy to edgeguard if you have an unimaginative Kirby player. His aerial attacks and up and down B moves make him a lot harder to edgeguard. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, but I still feel that Kirby is one of the best characters in the game. That's all I'll say about him, since we're supposed to be talking about Brawl, not arguing about Kirby's awesomeness.

Anyway, the only thing I've seen about this game that I haven't liked is the repetition of Final Smashes. Everything else, the more I see, the happier I get. This game has a huge lineup of characters, stages, items, and game modes. Sure, there are some things that had to be trimmed down. We don't get Target Tests built for each character anymore, we don't get all of the characters from the last game, we don't get all the old stages. But it is so worth it.

[ljkkjlcm9]

who was it that wanted Krystal? Here
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/RyderEXE/krystalbrawlcameo.jpg

anyways, I guess no one is paying attention to the smash Dojo anymore, but they're going to start revealing the secrets, probably how to unlock them, and with the characters, probably their movesets.

THE JACKEL

[Skyblade]

anyways, I guess no one is paying attention to the smash Dojo anymore, but they're going to start revealing the secrets, probably how to unlock them, and with the characters, probably their movesets.

THE JACKAL

First thing I check every day. I'm just going to try to limit myself to only seeing the secrets that the Dojo reveals. So you guys will probably find out neato stuff before I do.

[Monol]

Kirby stinks to high heaven! But your entitled to your opinion as well so we'll leave it at that. Fun debate though i supose. Nice to see you know at least something about what your talking about.



............................I was the krystal wanter...


GRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY WHY WHY!!!!
WAAAGH!!! :mad: :( :cry:

Ok new gameplan...im gonna keep telling myself that the delay for americans is longer because sakuri is swapping wolf for krystal lol
im in sever denial yall! Watch out!

(And if i comes to it ill main that uhh...picture thingy if i have too!!!) *shakes fist to the heavens* Damn you sakuri :mad2: !! Thanks for all the other sweet stuff (arenas and music especially) :p but dammn you!!! :mad2:

[ljkkjlcm9]

ZERO SUIT SAMUS is playable as a starter/independant character!

Selecting Zero Suit Samus
To use Zero Suit Samus at the start of a match, select Samus on the character screen and hold the following button before the match starts with the corresponding controller that is being used:

Gamecube/Classic controller: Hold the R button
Wii Remote with Nunchuk: Hold the Z button
Wii Remote: Hold the Minus (-) button

THE JACKEL

[.:kerrod:.]

Kirby is awesome and you all just BE QUIET! :cry: :p I stand by the fact that people may not like him because they're not particularly good with him...which is what i believe with all characters, at the end of the day, it's how well you can use them, and if they're your favourite 'personality' character, then they're bound to become your favourite (and best) fighting character. Not many people liked Mewtwo because he was hard to use, but he was my main and i loved him...so yeah, it just depends.


Kirby stinks to high heaven! But your entitled to your opinion as well so we'll leave it at that. Fun debate though i supose. Nice to see you know at least something about what your talking about.

It IS nice to see somebody who knows what they're talking about, but please, don't insult Kirby more by putting him down WITH bad spelling :mad: :p I know, that's harsh, but honestly, if you're trying to say 'you are' it's "you're", and if you're trying to give ownership, it's "your"...this has got to be the thing that annoys me most with misspellings :p (along with 'their', 'there', and 'they're') and im sorry to bring that up, i know that's not what this thread is about


ZERO SUIT SAMUS is playable as a starter/independant character!

Selecting Zero Suit Samus
To use Zero Suit Samus at the start of a match, select Samus on the character screen and hold the following button before the match starts with the corresponding controller that is being used:

Gamecube/Classic controller: Hold the R button
Wii Remote with Nunchuk: Hold the Z button
Wii Remote: Hold the Minus (-) button

THE JACKAL

Although this is a good feature, i think i'd start off with normal Samus anyway, i mean, Zero Suit Samus' final smash is to get a normal Samus suit...LAME...this wouldnt be as bad if you'd already used one final smash...but honestly, it's a waste...

[Markus. D]

Youre all gonna hate me for this but I cant help it

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 28 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6UFj_5FUcU&feature=user)

marths final smash total fire emblem 3 refrence.:D


<3

Also, I guess I've already spoiled it all for myself.


R.O.B ftw.

[.:kerrod:.]

yeah, im really looking forward to seeing what R.O.B. can do, so if anybody finds a video, post away :D

EDIT: found one :D it also had game and watch's final smash :)

[Roto13]

Apparently Ness is to Lucas as Falco is to Fox. :P

Smash Bros. DOJO!! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden01.html)

[ljkkjlcm9]

ZERO SUIT SAMUS is playable as a starter/independant character!

Selecting Zero Suit Samus
To use Zero Suit Samus at the start of a match, select Samus on the character screen and hold the following button before the match starts with the corresponding controller that is being used:

Gamecube/Classic controller: Hold the R button
Wii Remote with Nunchuk: Hold the Z button
Wii Remote: Hold the Minus (-) button

THE JACKAL

Although this is a good feature, i think i'd start off with normal Samus anyway, i mean, Zero Suit Samus' final smash is to get a normal Samus suit...LAME...this wouldnt be as bad if you'd already used one final smash...but honestly, it's a waste...

except sometimes smash balls are turned off, player's choice of course. Not only that, but Zero Suit Samus plays very different from the Samus with her suit.

As for Ness, that's extremely easy to unlock. I have a good feeling most characters are very easy to unlock, at least the ones that were in the old games.

THE JACKEL

[Roto13]

I'm betting ROB might be a bit tricky to unlock. He was a pain in the ass in Mario Kart DS. :P

[Monol]

It IS nice to see somebody who knows what they're talking about, but please, don't insult Kirby more by putting him down WITH bad spelling :mad: :p I know, that's harsh, but honestly, if you're trying to say 'you are' it's "you're", and if you're trying to give ownership, it's "your"...this has got to be the thing that annoys me most with misspellings :p (along with 'their', 'there', and 'they're') and im sorry to bring that up, i know that's not what this thread is about

lol och u bige meeneey!!! But seriously im done with the kirby bashing. Hes had enough and he actually looks pretty rockin in brawl (wish i could say the same about mewtwo...:( cool that your a mewtwo main though *salutes* )

Im actually really impressed with ness's differences in regards to lucas. I just might pick up ness again after all. Game and watch looks awsome! Anyone else notice it looks like you can float with his parachute this time?! R.O.B is uhh....uhh... a very cool joke character :p

Oh and jiggs offically has the scariest final smash *shudders in fear*

[ljkkjlcm9]

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 60 (FINAL SMASH) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q&locale=en_US&persist_locale=1)

every person's final smash

THE JACKEL

[Creeping Shadow]

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 60 (FINAL SMASH) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q&locale=en_US&persist_locale=1)

every person's final smash

THE JACKAL


Awesome vid you beat me to it.

[.:kerrod:.]

ah, my mouth is watering...yummy...now i just have to work on getting a Wii :(

[demondude]

The subspace emissary cut scenes are awesome. Lucas looks so cute when he runs away.

I also like the way Ness saves his ass.

[ljkkjlcm9]

after watching many matches with wolf in them, he seems very different from fox. Sure he has some similar moves, but he just seems a lot different to me. And different in a way that I want to be him... badly. He may be my main.

THE JACKEL

[.:kerrod:.]

for future reference, can we put all 'subspace emissary' things in spoiler tags and warn that it's about that? i know you didnt reveal anything, but just if anybody is going to do it...that's one thing i DON'T want spoiled

[Ashley Schovitz]

GotFrag DPAD - Nintendo Wii News Story - Square-Enix the Reason for Original Brawl Delay? (http://dpad.gotfrag.com/wii/story/41420/)
That's pretty mean Square-Enix

[KentaRawr!]

I agree. Though, we've already been spoiled on every other aspect of the game. It would be odd to put "Spoilers!" and have the spoiler be Ness, wouldn't it? :tongue:

[.:kerrod:.]

GotFrag DPAD - Nintendo Wii News Story - Square-Enix the Reason for Original Brawl Delay? (http://dpad.gotfrag.com/wii/story/41420/)
That's pretty mean Square-Enix

yeah, that's pretty low, man, especially when they're not gonna use it again/make a profit off it again...what has this world become?:rolleyes2 :p in saying that, however, i've never played that game and therefore, don't know why he's so loved...so i dont really mind :p


I agree. Though, we've already been spoiled on every other aspect of the game. It would be odd to put "Spoilers!" and have the spoiler be Ness, wouldn't it? :tongue:

i know, but i just dont wanna know the storyline and who teams up and stuff, even though i already know a lot of the teams :( but yeah, no story or anything :) :p

[ljkkjlcm9]

I'll be damned if that's true about Geno

THE JACKEL

[Roto13]

I really doubt it.

[NeoCracker]

My only dissapointment is NEss's Final Smash.

Rather then Starstorm, PK Rockin' so should have been his final smash.

I'd suggest that when doing so, Ness fires off several waves of Psycic bursts around him in a large area, causing high damage to all who enter.

Either that, or do massive damage to all in a smaller area, and doesn't have much knock back power.

One of those two would be better then Starstorm I think.

[Evastio]

I guess I was wrong about Marth's Final Smash. I'm somewhat glad I am though. :D

Even though it's somewhat hard to aim with, it's so dangerous. It's probably strongest single strike Final Smash. :D


I believe it slows time in the area around him, aka, slowing enemies for a pummeling
What game is it from?

GotFrag DPAD - Nintendo Wii News Story - Square-Enix the Reason for Original Brawl Delay? (http://dpad.gotfrag.com/wii/story/41420/)
That's pretty mean Square-Enix
I really don't see why Square would be okay with adding Geno then changing their mind and making Nintendo remove him.

My only dissapointment is Ness's Final Smash.

Yeah. I was really expecting it to be PSI Rockin as well. Oh well...

[Creeping Shadow]

The only other final smashes that seemed just as deadly as marth's were Zelda/Sheiks light arrow and captain olimars final smash.

BTW does anyone else seem to think donkey kongs FS is a little on the useless side?

[Roto13]

Now this (http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/rotothirteen/smash.jpg) freaks me right the smurf out. Japanese perverts.

[ljkkjlcm9]

The only other final smashes that seemed just as deadly as marth's were Zelda/Sheiks light arrow and captain olimars final smash.

BTW does anyone else seem to think donkey kongs FS is a little on the useless side?

Ganondorf's final smash killed the guy at 0% from the middle of the stage too

THE JACKEL

[Creeping Shadow]

Now this (http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/rotothirteen/smash.jpg) freaks me right the smurf out. Japanese perverts.
Ugh the height of matrurity...:sweatdrop


The only other final smashes that seemed just as deadly as marth's were Zelda/Sheiks light arrow and captain olimars final smash.

BTW does anyone else seem to think donkey kongs FS is a little on the useless side?

Ganondorf's final smash killed the guy at 0% from the middle of the stage too

THE JACKAL

Oh yeah how could I forget ganondorf considering I play as him.

[Monol]

Im skeptical about DKs Final smash. In some videos it appears to be the worst but ive seen some where its range looks amazing. The site mentioned somthing about pressing buttons with the beat to add to its effectivness but im curious to see how that works exactly.

I hope theres different songs somtimes to change it up. Could be fun :p

Ice climbers and zeldas are my fav. final smashes though. Links was my favorite until toon link had the same thing *sigh*

[Creeping Shadow]

Im skeptical about DKs Final smash. In some videos it appears to be the worst but ive seen some where its range looks amazing. The site mentioned somthing about pressing buttons with the beat to add to its effectivness but im curious to see how that works exactly.

I hope theres different songs somtimes to change it up. Could be fun :p

Ice climbers and zeldas are my fav. final smashes though. Links was my favorite until toon link had the same thing *sigh*

Yeah you think theyd do something with the wind waker or something but oh well.

[Northcrest]

Captain Falcons Port City racetrack is a stage woot!

[Skyblade]

I'm wondering why they've cofirmed so much Captain Falcon stuff, his levels, assist trophies, etc... But they haven't officially confirmed him yet.

[Monol]

Its gotta be his nipples :greenie: Sakuri doesnt think the world can handle so much manlyness just yet.

[KentaRawr!]

Something to note is that Peach has a different pair of underwear on in this game.

[Evastio]

I don't really like how Port Town has replaced Mute City. They're both really cool stages that I'd want in even though having them both would be redundant. I guess as long as they have the SSBM Mute City music available I'll be happy enough.

Anyways, I find it really awesome how ROB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBSbXKJ5R-E&feature=user) is really the Ancient Minister and he joins the good guys and goes against the Subspace Army once Ganondorf takes over command of it. It makes me like ROB as a character even more. This probably means that the real main bad guy is Ganondorf and those trophy transforming villains like Wario and Dedede.

[Crossblades]

I don't really like how Port Town has replaced Mute City. They're both really cool stages that I'd want in even though having them both would be redundant. I guess as long as they have the SSBM Mute City music available I'll be happy enough.


The Melee stages will be returning in Brawl

[KentaRawr!]

Not all of them, though. Is Mute City really one of them?

[Crossblades]

Sakurai said that he's brought back a number of stages that appeared in the last game. He said it here

Smash Bros. DOJO!! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage18.html)

[Evastio]

I'm afraid Mute City isn't one of them (http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=5035&start=0). :(

[ljkkjlcm9]

Not all of them, though. Is Mute City really one of them?

as far as I know, no, but Big Blue returns from melee

THE JACKEL

[Creeping Shadow]

Not all of them, though. Is Mute City really one of them?

as far as I know, no, but Big Blue returns from melee

THE JACKAL


Yay my favorite stage :D

[Evastio]

To answer your question about why Captain Falcon isn't updated yet it's probably because they're updating secret characters in order from the least Vs. matches required to unlock them to the most which explains why Ness was the first one updated.

Ness: 5 Vs. Matches
Marth: 10 Vs. Matches
Luigi: 22 Vs. Matches
Falco: 50 Vs. Matches
Captain Falcon: 70 Vs. Matches
Lucario: 100 Vs. Matches
Snake: 130 Vs. Matches
R.O.B: 160 Vs. Matches
Ganondorf: 200 Vs. Matches
Mr. Gane & Watch: 250 Vs. Matches
Sonic: 300 Vs. Matches
Jigglypuff: 350 Vs. Matches
Toon Link: 400 Vs. Matches
Wolf: 450 Vs. Matches

So if my theory is correct Captain Falcon will be the 5th one to be updated.



as far as I know, no, but Big Blue returns from melee
Yay my favorite stage :D
I also like Big Blue since the cars are no longer hazards but platforms which is a big change from Mute City. The scenery going upside down is also fun. Especially when you distract others telling them the sky is upside down messing them up. :D

[Monol]

YouTube - SSBB Taunt Compilation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=QlSxR3ebOzc)

Taunts galor! (Uhh did i spell that right?! O_o)

Luigis taunt should be its own game.

Toon link and pikachu have some of my favorites but the taunts in this game are hardcore! (wish sonic had his impatient "im waiting" taunt though...*sigh)

[Roto13]

Jigglypuff takes that many vs. matches to unlock? xP She was unlockable by beating the game on any difficulty in the other games. xD

[Evastio]

That's what I've read on Gamespot and Gamewinners.

Here's a link that links you to major Spoilers about the SSE (http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=4747&start=0).

Major I really don't like how they made Sonic appear at the last second without him enduring a lot of harsh trials like the other characters did. It's quite a biased thing for Nintendo to be doing especially with a character they don't own. They almost make it seem like all the other characters and what they did don't matter since Sonic just takes care of the Final Boss himself and frees practically everyone else from being in their trophy form. He doesn't deserve to be the hero, not after doing anything until the final boss while almost everyone was helping out fight against the Subspace Army. This is exactly why I didn't want Sonic in Brawl.

[Roto13]

Major I really don't like how they made Sonic appear at the last second without him enduring a lot of harsh trials like the other characters did. It's quite a biased thing for Nintendo to be doing especially with a character they don't own. They almost make it seem like all the other characters and what they did don't matter since Sonic just takes care of the Final Boss himself and frees practically everyone else from being in their trophy form. This is exactly why I didn't want Sonic in Brawl.

Stop caring about stupid stuff.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Jigglypuff takes that many vs. matches to unlock? xP She was unlockable by beating the game on any difficulty in the other games. xD

there are multiple ways to unlock characters

Captain Falcon
Beat Classic in 20 minutes or less then defeat him in the following match
or 70 VS matches

Falco
Beat 100-man brawl
or play 50 VS matches

Ganondorf
Clear Classic on Hard with Link or Zelda
OR play 200 VS. matches

Jigglypuff
Complete Classic Mode with any character other than Ike
or Complete Event Match 20
or 350 VS matches

Lucario
Defeat in SSE with Meta Knight
or Complete 5 Target Tests with any character
or 100 VS matches

Luigi
Complete Classic Mode on Easy
or 22 VS matches

Marth
Complete Classic Mode using Ike
or 10 VS matches

Mr. Game & Watch
Beat classic mode with every character
or 250 VS matches

Ness
Play five matches
OR Reflect ten projecticles AND meet Ness in SSE.

R.O.B. (Robot)
Play 160 VS. matches

Snake
Play 10 matches on Shadow Moses Island
or 130 VS matches

Sonic
Complete the Subspace Emissary
or 300 VS matches

Toon Link
Finish the Classic mode as Link
or 400 VS matches

Wolf:
In the stage "Iseki" (Ruins) skip the first door you pass when being lowered in to the pit. Instead enter the second door at the bottom
or 450 VS matches

THE JACKEL

[Evastio]

Stop caring about stupid stuff.
Don't you think that it should've been a Nintendo character/characters defeating the Final Boss and not just Sonic defeating him solo? I mean, sure it's one thing to add third party characters, but to give them a role that makes everyone elses role worthless?! Nintendo's practically killed Brawl. I mean why couldn't they at least have had you able to choose which character to defeat the final boss with? Even if a lot of people would choose only Snake and Sonic to defeat the final boss with, it's better than being able to choose no one but Sonic to defeat the final boss with. It's really awkward for Nintendo to show that much disregard to their own characters.

[Creeping Shadow]

That's what I've read on Gamespot and Gamewinners.

Here's a link that links you to major Spoilers about the SSE (http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=4747&start=0).

Major I really don't like how they made Sonic appear at the last second without him enduring a lot of harsh trials like the other characters did. It's quite a biased thing for Nintendo to be doing especially with a character they don't own. They almost make it seem like all the other characters and what they did don't matter since Sonic just takes care of the Final Boss himself and frees practically everyone else from being in their trophy form. He doesn't deserve to be the hero, not after doing anything until the final boss while almost everyone was helping out fight against the Subspace Army. This is exactly why I didn't want Sonic in Brawl.



Yeah that is kinda messed up but I guess nintendo wanted to promote the crap out of sonic or something. Either that or they were just trying to make him look cool.

[Roto13]

The moment I start to care about the climax of the story in a game that could easily be one of SuperMillionaire's stupid-ass mass crossover fanfics is the day I swallow a length of barbed wire, pull the other end out of my ass, and floss myself to death.

[Creeping Shadow]

The moment I start to care about the climax of the story in a game that could easily be one of SuperMillionaire's stupid-ass mass crossover fanfics is the day I swallow a length of barbed wire, pull the other end out of my ass, and floss myself to death.


Man that was really descriptive.....:O_O:

[Roogle]

The moment I start to care about the climax of the story in a game that could easily be one of SuperMillionaire's stupid-ass mass crossover fanfics is the day I swallow a length of barbed wire, pull the other end out of my ass, and floss myself to death.

Don't be mean.

Anyway, I think that this game will be even more successful than its predecessors since they are focusing on providing extra content in addition to all of the multiplayer functions.

[JKTrix]

You choose who you want to fight and defeat the final boss. It seems that That Character only shows up at the final boss, but he does not in fact defeat him unless you choose to play as him.

In fact, you choose 5 characters to play as, and each character has 1 life/stock. When one gets KO'd, the next comes in.

[Monol]

YouTube - Specific Taunt for Fox vs Falco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD52AWKy1AI)

How cool is that?

[JKTrix]

Pretty dern cool. I like the little character-specific interactions like that in fighting games.

[KentaRawr!]

Pretty cool that they do that. Really shows how much detail they're putting in there. The Star Fox characters have a lot of character to them, too, it seems.

Edit: In the third of the money matches between Gimpyfish and Lucky, Knuckles made an appearance. Competitive footage and Knuckles cameo here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAfRbi0stZY&NR=1). The cameo is at about 2:15.

[Evastio]

You choose who you want to fight and defeat the final boss. It seems that That Character only shows up at the final boss, but he does not in fact defeat him unless you choose to play as him.

In fact, you choose 5 characters to play as, and each character has 1 life/stock. When one gets KO'd, the next comes in.
I hope you're right. You got any videos showing that?

The moment I start to care about the climax of the story in a game that could easily be one of SuperMillionaire's stupid-ass mass crossover fanfics is the day I swallow a length of barbed wire, pull the other end out of my ass, and floss myself to death.
I know it's just a game but it's still quite upsetting. I mean, would you want the storyline of Soul Calibur 4 to force you to use Darth Vader or Yoda for the final battle? It's weird enough for them to be in the game but forcing them into the most important role is wrong because the characters that are supposed to be in those games shouldn't be that disregarded compared to 3rd party characters. But as I said before it's just a game and everyone might not find it that disappointing but you do have to admit that it's quite strange for Nintendo to be doing that right?

[Lawr]

Spoilers in Links!


All of the Final Smashes and Characters:
YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 60 (FINAL SMASH) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q)

Edit

I hope you're right. You got any videos showing that?

Here you go Evastio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiHM_d07QH4)

[ljkkjlcm9]

psst... your first link was already posted a few pages back... by yours truly
http://forums.eyesonff.com/2414809-post1275.html

Second video... I'm not gonna watch. I don't mind knowing the characters and stages, but I've avoided as much of the story as I can

THE JACKEL

[Lawr]

Sorry didn't read farther back. :p

[Evastio]

Here you go Evastio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiHM_d07QH4)
Thanks!! :D

It's a huge relief knowing that you can choose which characters you want to use for the final battle instead of having them chosen for you. Even though it didn't show all 5 characters being used I'm glad it's official that you are at least able to choose who to use for the final battle.

Also, the First Songs in My Music in the DOJO now have the Port Town Aero Drive and The Final Destination (which I think should've remained unlockable and not have you start with it) Music listed.

[Creeping Shadow]

YouTube - Specific Taunt for Fox vs Falco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD52AWKy1AI)

How cool is that?

Fox: "your not ready yet falco"

Haha what a jerk :lol:

[Monol]

I hope wolf uses one of his amazing lines

"Your good but im better" :cool:

[JKTrix]

Here you go Evastio (http://youtube.com/watch?v=at1K6RIhRe8)

Fixed, with a better link (longer, shows the 5 characters).

This shows the entire fight though, and I'd reccomend not watching all of it. There are some pretty surprising things in there. Not like this is a 'spoiler safe' thread anyway, but some of the stuff that Taboo does has a kind of 'lol rape' effect to it.

[Skyblade]

Lots of nice new Assist Trophies up on Dojo. After two level updates in a row, getting a good, solid update is nice.

[Ultima Shadow]

Ganon is ruined! :(

He walks, moves and looks like a retard now. :(

AND... he has been nerfed. :(

[KentaRawr!]

What? He seems to be just fine. Sure, he runs like an idiot, but he's fat, so that makes sense.

[Monol]

I say his FS certainly makes up for his protigous girth :p

[Creeping Shadow]

Marth on the dojo :D

Smash Bros. DOJO!! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden02.html)

[Markus. D]

By Video... Final Destination is absolutely Spectacular.

It almost feels like you're fighting through the Time Compression Scene from FFVIII :P!

:D

[Roto13]

Marth on the dojo :D

Smash Bros. DOJO!! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden02.html)

Now you have a spoiler right in your sig. xP Nice.

[Ultima Shadow]

What? He seems to be just fine.
His aerials, f-tilt and standard A-jab are all much slower than they used to be in Melee + he can no longer use his Down B for recovery.:(

[Monol]

He cant recover with his down b?! Ouch :( Screw his F-tilt...the slower the better (more intimdating edge guard muhahaha) his jab is his fastest move which is kind of a shame. Can captain falcon still recover with his down b? Maybe we'll find another way to recover with the guys?

You just never know...:p

[KentaRawr!]

I hadn't noticed those. That kinda stinks... :( But, even so, it seems like he can be used well. I've seen some matches on Youtube with him, and he seems all right. :monster:

[Evastio]

Yay Marth!!! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden02.html) :D (Even though Creeping Shadow beat me to it)

I'm glad they finally updated my best (and most favourite) character. And judging by what they said his Counter seems to be powered up without any drawbacks at all. I'm really looking forward to using him in Brawl. :D

I guess I was also right about my Secret Character Updating Order Theory. :D


Here you go Evastio (http://youtube.com/watch?v=at1K6RIhRe8)

Fixed, with a better link (longer, shows the 5 characters).
I'm glad it's confirmed for sure now. :D

[Creeping Shadow]

Marth on the dojo :D

Smash Bros. DOJO!! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden02.html)

Now you have a spoiler right in your sig. xP Nice.


Yeah well... it was inevitable :p

[JKTrix]

Re: Dojo

Lucario on Monday?

People had already figured out the 'hold shield to pick Zero Samus (Zamus)' thing, but I hadn't seen the 'rapid taunt to shed Samus' armour'.

[Roto13]

People had already figured out the 'hold shield to pick Zero Samus (Zamus)' thing, but I hadn't seen the 'rapid taunt to shed Samus' armour'.

This makes me happy. :P I think the last paragraph implies that you can get the armour back just as easily.

[Evastio]

I'm glad the dojo has finally explained a lot of mysteries surrounding Zero Suit Samus. Especially being able to switch back and forth with her suit.

The Enemies and Allies update is talking about Lucario when they say "there is one character who has a rather unusual method by which they can distinguish friend from foe..." who I don't think will be the next character updated. It would be awesome if he was, don't get me wrong there. But I'm still strongly thinking that they're updating characters in order from the least to most amount of Vs. Matches needed to unlock them (and so far Ness and Marth totally fit for that).

[Creeping Shadow]

I'm glad the dojo has finally explained a lot of mysteries surrounding Zero Suit Samus. Especially being able to switch back and forth with her suit.

The Enemies and Allies update is talking about Lucario when they say "there is one character who has a rather unusual method by which they can distinguish friend from foe..." who I don't think will be the next character updated. It would be awesome if he was, don't get me wrong there. But I'm still strongly thinking that they're updating characters in order from the least to most amount of Vs. Matches needed to unlock them (and so far Ness and Marth totally fit for that).


Either that or they wanted to get all the secret characters you see in the intro out of the way.

[Skyblade]

Wavedashing is gone, it seems. It's been replaced with a minijump designed to dispel your momentum rather than manipulating for a faster move speed. I guess people will have to find some other way to manipulate the physics of the game.

Moves now have diminishing returns, in an attempt to stop people from just spamming one move over and over (not that it's stopped that, from what I've seen of some of the videos).

A pivot grab has been added. Run one way, switch direction, and grab on to your opponent. It increases most people's grab range, though I wonder what it will do to people with grapple grabs.

The principles of the laser show up in Brawl. The more a beam bounces back and forth between reflectors, the more powerful it gets, until it is strong enough to break through one of the reflectors.

There's a couple more small changes up. It's nice to see the level of detail they're putting into this.

[Monol]

I was really impressed by this update. It seems sakuri really is aiming to make this game a whole new experience.

The new "tech" seems neat (Whats with the name? 0_o) and eating on the ground is a dream come true :p I also read somewhere your characters can randomly trip.

I want to master this "trip"...I shall call it "Trip dashing". You all wait and see...wait and see ill mess with the pysics of this game yet!

When it comes out of course ;)

[KentaRawr!]

What's wrong with calling it Ukemi? I'm pretty sure it's a common name for this kind of thing. In SC3, they called it the same thing in the tutorial. Even so, since it's just on the site, I'm thinking more people will still call it "teching".

[Monol]

Nothings wrong with it. I love it actually i just wandering what it meant and where did it come from. :greenie:

[Rase]

Ukemi explained. (http://www.judoinfo.com/ukemi.htm)

[ljkkjlcm9]

Ukemi explained. (http://www.judoinfo.com/ukemi.htm)

I know all those techniques, I used them for about 10 years as I learned Ju-jitsu and Aikido

THE JACKEL

[Roto13]

Congrats.

Also, I lol'd.

http://forums.eyesonff.com/attachments/general-gaming-discussion/27877d1202782717-nintendo-counts-down-super-smash-bros-brawl-falcon.jpg

[Evastio]

Hah hah. I can imagine Samus and Zelda wanting one of those really badly and Link and Ganondorf getting really jealous of Captain Falcon. Maybe Peach as well. (People give weird looks) Well it is kind of obvious that Ganondorf does have feelings for Zelda. Also, here's Captain Falcon's New Theme Song (http://www.esnips.com/doc/482f02a3-56e4-491d-95cb-552a4de119ef/New_Falcon_Theme).

Anyways, today's update was nice. It's good to know that you can use the Ukemi on walls and ceilings, the glancing blows not making enemies flinch like they did in the previous games, (hope this won't affect Marth badly since that's his main strength though) and pivot grabs being able to increase your grab range by a lot (it may take quite a lot of practice to master though).

I was kind of hoping that crawling and wall clinging would be explained though. I guess that update will be for another day.

[JKTrix]

If I recall correctly, if you walked off the left side of the screen in Mario Brothers (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage26.html) (or at least the version of it in SMB3), you would come out on the right side. This is going to mess with me in Smash.

[KentaRawr!]

I wonder, do the enemies go to the opposite side of the screen when they go into the right or left side?

[Skyblade]

I'm wondering if the POW blocks are going to be used.

[KentaRawr!]

I'm pretty sure they are. There was a Youtube Video I saw of the stage, and one of the players very commonly used it.

It also answered my question on enemies. :p They do loop.

There's the video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJpmKgb7uQ) There are a few events put in that video, though, so if you don't want to see them, you'd best not view. :monster:

[Evastio]

It's nice to see some more classic style levels. I like how they even kept the Mario Bros. like gameplay complete with the bouncy floor and the flipping over of enemies. :D

I wouldn't be suprised if they updated Luigi soon.

[demondude]

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/wario-kirby.jpg

Also I love the wind waker stage. :D

[Creeping Shadow]

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/wario-kirby.jpg

Also I love the wind waker stage. :D


http://forums.eyesonff.com/attachments/general-gaming-discussion/27893d1202984324-nintendo-counts-down-super-smash-bros-brawl-ikechar.jpg

[Evastio]

Looks like I'm right once again. :D

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/hidden03/hidden03_080215a.jpg

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/hidden03/hidden03_080215b.jpg

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/hidden03/hidden03_080215d.jpg

It's nice to see Luigi finally getting his chance to shine on the dojo. It's also really good to know that he's keeping his Luigi Cyclone. (I preferred Mario's Cyclone attacks more than F.L.U.D.D.) I especially like his new taunt (where he switches poses crazy fast). And although they didn't explain where his Negative Zone Final Smash came from I'm glad they explained how it works. :D

I guess that means Falco is next. And then Captain Falcon. (which'll make a lot of you happy)

[Monol]

Krystal would have made me happier...:cry: WAGGGH!!!!

Im kind of looking forward to falco though. Id like to offically hear some of the differences with falco from fox this time around.

[Creeping Shadow]

I cant wait to see Falco hes the only one that owns just as much as marth!! :cool:

[Aydin]

If they don't include Tails from Sonic, I'm going to go down to Nintendo Corporation and slap sum dat booty.

[Crossblades]

If they don't include Tails from Sonic, I'm going to go down to Nintendo Corporation and slap sum dat booty.

The final roster was revealed weeks ago. He's not in it

[Roto13]

Krystal would have made me happier...:cry: WAGGGH!!!!

Good to see you're accepting it and moving on in such a healthy fashion. :P

[KentaRawr!]

I've heard that some people have put the disc's data onto their PC's and read some of the Data. Allegedly, in the section where all the characters were, file-names that implied the following characters were found:

Roy
Pichu OR Plusle and Minum.
Mewtwo
Dr. Mario
Dixie Kong
Toon Zelda
Toon Sheik

Along with file names implying alternative victory music for every character in the game, including those 7.

However, the most accepted guess is that those pieces of data are empty, and are just place-holders on the disc. Would be cool if there was downloadable content, but I doubt it'll happen. :choc2: Plus I've seen no proof that the data was even extracted.

Figured I'd post anyway. :p But it's just an anonymous rumor.

Edit: I was provided this list on another forum, which is allegedly the file list of the Characters Section.

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\effect\fighter\ef_dedede.pac, size:166720 off:2A903F40
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\effect\fighter\ef_dixie.pac, size:128 off:2A940A20
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\effect\fighter\ef_ike.pac, size:134464 off:2A9F5FC0
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\effect\fighter\ef_lucas.pac, size:243616 off:2AAB2340
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\effect\fighter\ef_mario.pac, size:71584 off:2AAF2140
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\effect\fighter\ef_metaknight.pac, size:302720 off:2AB1D5E0
\effect\fighter\ef_mewtwo.pac, size:128 off:2AB67460
\effect\fighter\ef_nana.pac, size:128 off:2AB674E0
\effect\fighter\ef_ness.pac, size:240832 off:2AB67560
\effect\fighter\ef_peach.pac, size:113280 off:2ABA2220
\effect\fighter\ef_pikachu.pac, size:94208 off:2ABBDCA0
\effect\fighter\ef_pikmin.pac, size:172384 off:2ABD4CA0
\effect\fighter\ef_pit.pac, size:242496 off:2ABFEE00
\effect\fighter\ef_pokefushigisou.pac, size:144864 off:2AC3A140
\effect\fighter\ef_pokelizardon.pac, size:80224 off:2AC5D720
\effect\fighter\ef_poketrainer.pac, size:64672 off:2AC71080
\effect\fighter\ef_pokezenigame.pac, size:64256 off:2AC80D20
\effect\fighter\ef_popo.pac, size:54816 off:2AC90820
\effect\fighter\ef_pra_mai.pac, size:128 off:2AC9DE40
\effect\fighter\ef_purin.pac, size:106720 off:2AC9DEC0
\effect\fighter\ef_robot.pac, size:305120 off:2ACB7FA0
\effect\fighter\ef_roy.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780
\effect\fighter\ef_samus.pac, size:102688 off:2AD02800
\effect\fighter\ef_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2AD1B920
\effect\fighter\ef_snake.pac, size:195904 off:2AD1B9A0
\effect\fighter\ef_sonic.pac, size:239232 off:2AD4B6E0
\effect\fighter\ef_szerosuit.pac, size:133280 off:2AD85D60
\effect\fighter\ef_toonlink.pac, size:102048 off:2ADA6600
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_zelda.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF520
\effect\fighter\ef_wario.pac, size:78464 off:2ADBF5A0
\effect\fighter\ef_warioman.pac, size:128 off:2ADD2820
\effect\fighter\ef_wolf.pac, size:108160 off:2ADD28A0
\effect\fighter\ef_yoshi.pac, size:92640 off:2ADECF20
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoball.pac, size:128 off:2AE03900
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoboy.pac, size:128 off:2AE03980
\effect\fighter\ef_zakochild.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A00
\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80
\effect\fighter\ef_zelda.pac, size:155776 off:2AE03B00

Something I find interesting is that every clone character, like Gkoopa (Giga Bowser), the Zakos (Fighting Alloys), Pra_mai (Plusle and Minum? Pichu, maybe?) have a size of 128. I'm assuming he copied and pasted the entire list from a folder rather than make the whole list himself, so perhaps that's why the exact amount isn't shown.

Anyway, the lack of file size in so many characters is probably because they either don't have a move-set for them, or they borrow the move-set of another character. For example, we already know Giga Bowser does NOT have a move-set for himself. He's just Bowser, but with stat alterations. But then we have Mewtwo on that list, who is also at 128.

Something that would be nice would be the ability to see more than file names. Or a new AR. :tongue:

[Creeping Shadow]

I've heard that some people have put the disc's data onto their PC's and read some of the Data. Allegedly, in the section where all the characters were, file-names that implied the following characters were found:

Roy
Pichu OR Plusle and Minum.
Mewtwo
Dr. Mario
Dixie Kong
Toon Zelda
Toon Sheik

Along with file names implying alternative victory music for every character in the game, including those 7.

However, the most accepted guess is that those pieces of data are empty, and are just place-holders on the disc. Would be cool if there was downloadable content, but I doubt it'll happen. :choc2: Plus I've seen no proof that the data was even extracted.

Figured I'd post anyway. :p But it's just an anonymous rumor.

Yeah right the person that said this is so full it. They probably just want to spread a dumb rumor (BTW Kentarou Im not calling you a liar im calling the people that said this a liar.)

[KentaRawr!]

Quite a dedicated liar, especially considering the list. :mog:

[Rase]

And although they didn't explain where his Negative Zone Final Smash came from I'm glad they explained how it works. :D
My guess is that it's the Negative Zone from SMB2. Just a thought though. Wouldn't explain it's effects, but it'd account for the name.

[demondude]

I spoil myself but I just gave in and watched the whole of the subspace emissary.

[Monol]

Actually i heard somwhere that luigis trophy explains his FS. It sames somthing along the lines of the negative zone adhering to luigi being over shadowed all the time. This creates this negative energy and is built up to use on his foes.

Thats just what i heard though :p

[Creeping Shadow]

Actually i heard somwhere that luigis trophy explains his FS. It sames somthing along the lines of the negative zone adhering to luigi being over shadowed all the time. This creates this negative energy and is built up to use on his foes.

Thats just what i heard though :p

Man I hope thats true because thats the ultimate irony of nintendo

Luigi: Now mario feel what you have done to me all these years!!

Mario: aughhhh!!

Luigi now for miyamoto!! DUN DUN DUN!!

[I Took the Red Pill]

Confirmed for Brawl?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/elementality1210/confirmed.jpg

[Markus. D]

If only that had come out before the release. I would have lol'ed soooo much xD

[Creeping Shadow]

Confirmed for Brawl?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9/elementality1210/confirmed.jpg

Ha another forum I was on had the same thing lol.

[Monol]

Hmm I may have found my new main...(even though it should have been krystal...waggh!!!)

[demondude]

One donkey kong is enough.

[Creeping Shadow]

Yup luigi,s mansion looks like a cool stage but a little uninventive. Oh well Im sure it will be cool none the less.

[Evastio]

Britney should not be in Brawl. Mr. Bean (http://mojo.rick-gardiner.com/sn/kyudi/characters/mr._bean.html) and Bill Cosby (http://mojo.rick-gardiner.com/en_us/characters/billcosby.html) deserve it a lot more than she does.

I'm glad they confirmed the Ice Climbers' advanced special techniques being in (like the Squall Hammer recovery and the one sided Blizzard with both Ice Climbers). If only they kept Marth's Dancing Blade recovery though...

Also, here's something I found on Brawl Central.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i146/ironman92/negativezonecopy.png

[Creeping Shadow]

Britney should not be in Brawl. Mr. Bean (http://mojo.rick-gardiner.com/sn/kyudi/characters/mr._bean.html) and Bill Cosby (http://mojo.rick-gardiner.com/en_us/characters/billcosby.html) deserve it a lot more than she does.

I'm glad they confirmed the Ice Climbers' advanced special techniques being in (like the Squall Hammer recovery and the one sided Blizzard with both Ice Climbers). If only they kept Marth's Dancing Blade recovery though...

Also, here's something I found on Brawl Central.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i146/ironman92/negativezonecopy.png

Ha ha ha nice.

[Evastio]

On Brawl Central I found a video that shows everyone's running speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNdLECu0Zh4). The character speeds weren't what I was expecting.

Also here's another Brawl Central picture that's more disturbing than funny. :yuck:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x283/LigerHero_GX/zssmarthkh4.jpg
I should really stop hanging around there so much.

[Creeping Shadow]

On Brawl Central I found a video that shows everyone's running speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNdLECu0Zh4). The character speeds weren't what I was expecting.

Also here's another Brawl Central picture that's more disturbing than funny. :yuck:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x283/LigerHero_GX/zssmarthkh4.jpg
I should really stop hanging around there so much.

:eek: wow thats quite an interesting picture...

[demondude]

Looks like the different Landmasters have different attributes.
Apparently Falco's is lighter and can fly farther.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Looks like the different Landmasters have different attributes.
Apparently Falco's is lighter and can fly farther.

not only that, it's pretty cool that he can actually kick his reflector shield and use it as an attack and not be directly on top of someone

THE JACKEL

[Skyblade]

Falco Kick.

Yeah, I thought that was neat when I read it.

I'm guessing that, since playing through the Subspace Emissary seems to require you to use every character, and that you can't run through it with just one character, that the trophy awards will be implemented a little differently (you had gotten an extra trophy for any character you completed Adventure Mode with).

[Aydin]

If they don't include Tails from Sonic, I'm going to go down to Nintendo Corporation and slap sum dat booty.

The final roster was revealed weeks ago. He's not in it

They better have made that official roster FAKE! D:<

[ljkkjlcm9]

for those uninterested in watching the running speed video, I took the liberty of noting them

worst: Jigglypuff
next: Gannondorf
next: Dedede, zelda
next: wario, peach, luigi, snake, link
next: Ike, squirtle, kirby
next: Olimar, Ness, Wolf, Ice climbers
next: Lucario, Falco
next: Samus
next: Lucas, ROB, Bowser, Ivysaur, Mario
next: Game and Watch
next: Pit
next: Toon Link, Donkey Kong
next: Yoshi
next: Diddy, Marth
next: Charizard, Pikachu
next: metaknight
next: Sheik, Zero-Suit Samus
next: Fox
next: Captain Falcon
Fastest, by far: Sonic

of course, this is just land speed

THE JACKEL

[NeoCracker]

I enjoyed the Earthbound music playing in that speed video.

[Evastio]

I'm liking Falco's new design and his attack changes. I hope he's still as (if not more) effective as he was in Melee. Too bad it didn't show how far he kicks his reflector.


I enjoyed the Earthbound music playing in that speed video.
Me too. I'm wondering if the remixed part of it is from Brawl though.

Also, thanks for the list ljkkjlcm9.

[Skyblade]

Bowser's Special Moves are up. He's gotten quite a remake since the Melee. His Side-B is excellent, and his Down-B looks a little different too.

Oh, and a description of Meteor Smashes is up as well.

[Creeping Shadow]

Ha Bowsers pulling an izuna drop for his side special.

[JKTrix]

Tomorrow is Sakurai's presentation at the Game Developers Conference (https://www.cmpevents.com/GD08/a.asp?option=C&V=11&SessID=6975). As the title indicates, GDC is for the game developers. Sakurai will likely be talking more about creating the game than the content of the game itself.

[Creeping Shadow]

Tomorrow is Sakurai's presentation at the Game Developers Conference (https://www.cmpevents.com/GD08/a.asp?option=C&V=11&SessID=6975). As the title indicates, GDC is for the game developers. Sakurai will likely be talking more about creating the game than the content of the game itself.


That seems a little unnecesary considering the game has already been out in japan for awhile.

[JKTrix]

I don't quite follow you.

[Creeping Shadow]

It just seems unececary to me considering the games already out for him to be talking about the devolopment of it. But it doesnt really matter thats just my opionion.

[Monol]

Actually id love to hear why he did what he did and what approaches he took. I cant wait for tommorow in that regard cause im curious about some things and i need my answers in order enjoy brawl to the fullest.

I think its great what hes DOING just not what he DID...poor krystal...*does the usual crying ritual*

O_O Jeez sonic is hella fast....(Duh right? :p )

[JKTrix]

REVERSE FALCON PAAAAAANCH!

But yeah, like I mentioned, the conference is for game developers--people who make games. I suppose the average consumer doesn't care about how the game was made and just wants to play it. But people who make games, who might be interested in making a game like smash, or even people who like to know about behind-the-scenes stuff would find some value in what Sakurai has to say.

[Creeping Shadow]

REVERSE FALCON PAAAAAANCH!

But yeah, like I mentioned, the conference is for game developers--people who make games. I suppose the average consumer doesn't care about how the game was made and just wants to play it. But people who make games, who might be interested in making a game like smash, or even people who like to know about behind-the-scenes stuff would find some value in what Sakurai has to say.


I will admit that it does sound interesting but I dont know this is something I would have much rather wanted to hear about while the game was still in devolopment.

[Roto13]

In b4 Evastio complaining about Captain Falcon being slower than a 3rd party character.

[demondude]

I'm such a geek. :whimper:
When I was making my lunch earlier I just blurted out Falcon luuuuunch. Luckily I don't think anyone heard me.

[JKTrix]

quick links to the GDC thing before i leave work

GDC08: Sakurai on Super Smash Bros. Brawl development - Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/22/gdc08-sakurai-on-super-smash-bros-brawl-development/)

Gdc08: Liveblogging Sakurai's Super Smash Bros. Brawl Design Talk (http://kotaku.com/359758/liveblogging-sakurais-super-smash-bros-brawl-design-talk)

[Ultima Shadow]

I knew Sonic would be the fastest... but this is just ridicolous! He's at least twice as fast as Captain Falcon! =O

[Roto13]

Well he's been known to move at light speed. xP

Apparently there's a torrent of the soundtrack floating around out there. I downloaded it. :P It's pretty fantastic. They used Molgera's theme from Wind Waker. <3 That's my favourite boss music in the Zelda series. Doesn't sound like they remixed it, though.

EDIT: I almost died of awesome when I heard this! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTnJVNYCW6g)

[KentaRawr!]

I've been listening to most of the sound-track through Youtube. The user "Deoxysprime" seems to have the most extensive, and well archived, collection.

[Skyblade]

Well he's been known to move at light speed. xP

Apparently there's a torrent of the soundtrack floating around out there. I downloaded it. :P It's pretty fantastic. They used Molgera's theme from Wind Waker. <3 That's my favourite boss music in the Zelda series. Doesn't sound like they remixed it, though.

EDIT: I almost died of awesome when I heard this! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTnJVNYCW6g)

Roto just won the Link of the Year award. Congrats.

[Rase]

Nice see Golden Sun represented both with music and an AT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxNM7nIIGB4&feature=related).

[Roto13]

Now maybe it can be represented with Golden Sun 3. >_>

[demondude]

I like the Song of storms music.

[Creeping Shadow]

The remix of the brawl theme they use on the final destination is pretty cool too.

[Roto13]

I'm uploading a complete (as far as I know) list of the sound track. I've been listening to it all day. :P

[Creeping Shadow]

Are you kidding me over 300 hundred songs jesus!!

[Evastio]

I'm liking the Mario Circuit and Port City Music.

They should've brought back the original Multi Man Melee 2 Music though. (aka the Event Match 51 Music) That was my most favourite Melee song. :(

[KentaRawr!]

The Tetris Songs are easily the best ones, though. No denying that.

[Roto13]

The Tetris songs are so awesome. :P Do they count as 3rd party guest songs? xP

[Creeping Shadow]

Im also a pretty big fan of the fire emblem songs. they did a nice job capturing the original flare of those songs. Especialy the main theme.

[Evastio]

The Tetris Songs are good and all, but I don't really think they're the best.

The Tetris songs are so awesome. :P Do they count as 3rd party guest songs? xP
I don't think so since they're straight from Tetris & Dr. Mario for the SNES.

[Creeping Shadow]

The Tetris Songs are good and all, but I don't really think they're the best.

The Tetris songs are so awesome. :P Do they count as 3rd party guest songs? xP
I don't think so since they're straight from Tetris & Dr. Mario for the SNES.

Tetris could be considerd third party considering no one knows who owns the rights to it anymore (see exstensive tetris history) as for Dr. mario nintendo does own that.

[NeoCracker]

My guess is Nintendo is just using the Tetris Music without permission.

They can safely do this due to the fact that since no one knows who owns it anymore, they aren't sure if they have the right to sue Nintendo or not.

[KentaRawr!]

I'm pretty sure the songs seen in Tetris didn't even originate in the Tetris games. I've read rumors that they're folk songs, but I've seen nothing concrete on songs A and B.

Edit: In unrelated news, this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiUYdM2anXY) is pretty awesome.

[Creeping Shadow]

I'm pretty sure the songs seen in Tetris didn't even originate in the Tetris games. I've read rumors that they're folk songs, but I've seen nothing concrete on songs A and B.

Edit: In unrelated news, this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiUYdM2anXY) is pretty awesome.

Oh god its so nice to hear that song again. Kirby air ride kicked so much ass.

This song is excellent.
YouTube - Butter Building - Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Qo5hKP2yU&feature=related)

[Roto13]

^^^ Yes. I like that one a lot. xP

[Evastio]

Practically all of the remixes that they put in are really awesome. :D

[Creeping Shadow]

One of my personal favorites. I love this song!!!


YouTube - Shadow Dragon Medley - Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYnPP9kEhs&feature=related)

[Skyblade]

Samus's Smash Missiles look like Super Missiles now. I noticed it in the startup vid, but it's nice to get official confirmation.

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_bwHlDD9Nc&feature=related) song is one of my absolute favorites from OoT. No remix, but it doesn't need it.

[Roogle]

Are you kidding me over 300 hundred songs jesus!!

Super Smash Bros. Brawl does have a comprehensive, inclusive track list. I was surprised by its volume of songs and the effort taken to work with each and every song — especially since some songs are considered so old —

[Creeping Shadow]

Yeah but its really nice to see all these songs its like they're paying tribute to nintendos extensive history.

[JKTrix]

...its like they're paying tribute to nintendos extensive history.

That's kind of the point of the entire franchise.

I've been spoiled on everything else, but I think I'll abstain from the songs. Leave *some* surprise for when I get them myself :P

[Monol]

I have yet to hear a song from this game that isnt fantastic. The music and the stages are definatly the best parts about brawl and i look forward to the experiance.

Wish i could say the same about the characters...:( poor poor krystal

[Rase]

After listening to the Song of Storms, I'm totally pulling for the Windmill Man to be an AT.

[JKTrix]

Smash Bros Brawl for 9.99 (http://www.ebgames.com/gs/trade-ins/trade-ins.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&affid=2500&WT.mc_id=022608Beb)? Sign me up. Scroll down a bit, you see the part where you can trade in 2 of the listed games to be able to purchase Brawl for $10.

Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree, Brunswick Pro Bowling, Carnival Games, Cooking Mama: Cook Off, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors, Excite Truck, FIFA Soccer 08, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Heatseeker, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Madden NFL 08, Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games, Mario Party 8, Mario Strikers Charged, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, MLB Power Pros, My Sims, Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution, NBA Live 08, Need for Speed: Pro Street, NiGHTS, No More Heroes, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Rayman Raving Rabbids 2, Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Scarface, The Simpsons Game, Sims 2: Castaway, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, Thrillville, Tiger Woods 2008, Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, and WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2008

I actually have a friend who's going to the US specifically to get multiple copies of the game (and visit family and stuff). I have 15 of those games, but the only one I'm eager to get rid of is Rayman. I have access to a few of the others that I might be able to buy real cheap to be able to trade off...it'd be worth it to only pay $10 for Smash (when it would normally cost at least $70 here).

N-joy, and don't buy all the copies before I can get one.

[NeoCracker]

Okay, that Song of Storms is Highly addictive.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Smash Bros Brawl for 9.99 (http://www.ebgames.com/gs/trade-ins/trade-ins.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&affid=2500&WT.mc_id=022608Beb)? Sign me up. Scroll down a bit, you see the part where you can trade in 2 of the listed games to be able to purchase Brawl for $10.

Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree, Brunswick Pro Bowling, Carnival Games, Cooking Mama: Cook Off, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors, Excite Truck, FIFA Soccer 08, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Heatseeker, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Madden NFL 08, Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games, Mario Party 8, Mario Strikers Charged, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, MLB Power Pros, My Sims, Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution, NBA Live 08, Need for Speed: Pro Street, NiGHTS, No More Heroes, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Rayman Raving Rabbids 2, Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Scarface, The Simpsons Game, Sims 2: Castaway, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, Thrillville, Tiger Woods 2008, Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, and WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2008

I actually have a friend who's going to the US specifically to get multiple copies of the game (and visit family and stuff). I have 15 of those games, but the only one I'm eager to get rid of is Rayman. I have access to a few of the others that I might be able to buy real cheap to be able to trade off...it'd be worth it to only pay $10 for Smash (when it would normally cost at least $70 here).

N-joy, and don't buy all the copies before I can get one.

Lol, I find it funny the New Dragon Quest game is on that list. It like just came out last week.

I might've been interested in that, except I already have 40 bucks down on the game reserved, because I had a 40 dollar gift card from a friend for christmas. AKA, it's only costing me 10 bucks anyways! Yay!

THE JACKEL

[Creeping Shadow]

Sakurai loves irony

YouTube - Winning Road~Roy's Hope - Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9NuZEzpZlQ&feature=related)

[NeoCracker]

That makes Brawl epic win.

[Creeping Shadow]

Yeah almost makes me miss Roy...


Oh and pikachu and samus moves on the dojo as well as the hands.

[Evastio]

Yeah. It's quite disappointing that they prioritized Snake and Sonic over Mewtwo and Roy especially considering the fact that they're actually Nintendo. It's understandable that they took out Pichu, (who I still wanted in) Dr. Mario, and Young Link though seeing as how they're very similar to Pikachu, Mario, and Link in terms of fighting style and their character. I'm also very suprised that King K. Rool wasn't playable especially considering how big of a role he plays in the Donkey Kong series and how much people wanted him in. I guess there's nothing that can be done to change that except hope that Sakurai does a better job with the next Smash Bros. game if it comes out.

[Creeping Shadow]

Well to be frank Roy was only in melee for marketing reasons (to advertise fire emblem 6 to japan) Also a fun fact: due to fire emblem only being in japan at the time Marth and Roy were going to be japanese only characters. That would have sucked.

[KentaRawr!]

I've heard that Sonic had been added after the rest due to requests, and the rest of the roster had been completed before then. That's according to someone from Smashboards whom had attended GDC. If what they say is true, then it's silly to say Nintendo prioritized the two 3rd Parties over those specific characters. I think the cut characters were cut for reasons of absolute suckage and lack of popularity rather than to make way for these new, 3rd party characters. :tongue:

[Creeping Shadow]

whats even wierder is that in numerous reviews sonic team said sonic will not be in brawl. I guess they were just messin wih us.

[NeoCracker]

Next Smash I'm totally pulling for the following to be added.

King K. Rool
Travis Touchdown
Dekar (Lufia 2: Rise of the Sinestrals)
The Prince (Katamari Games)

[Creeping Shadow]

Im going to be honest with everyone here. I dont think there will be another smash brothers after Brawl.

[KentaRawr!]

Why's that? Sakurai may have stated that he plans for this to be his last game, but I'm sure all directors say that when they feel the winds of a series being milked. :D

[Creeping Shadow]

Why's that? Sakurai may have stated that he plans for this to be his last game, but I'm sure all directors say that when they feel the winds of a series being milked. :D

I suppose but when you look at everything thats in the game it just kinda screams "grand finale"

[Skyblade]

He said he was making it "as though it would be the last one". Not that he was making it "to be the last one". There is quite a difference.

[Monol]

No pepole ask him all the time if he wants to continue making the games. He says at the moment he doesnt really want to but dont be suprised if he does.

It doesnt matter to me either way. Threes a good number to stop if you ask me and brawl seems like it will keep me plenty busy for years to come. Even if krystal isnt in it...:cry: *runs away with arms flailing*

[Evastio]

I guess it's understandable if it's the last one. I doubt Sakurai will be able to handle being in charge of making another Smash Bros. game considering how much effort he put into making this one.

I wonder, are we better off having Brawl be the last Smash game or having someone else besides Sakurai make the next Smash game?

[Creeping Shadow]

The only drawback to having another smash game would be the rabid fanbase requesting third party characters again :eek:

[Ultima Shadow]

I wonder, are we better off having Brawl be the last Smash game or having someone else besides Sakurai make the next Smash game?
Sakurai or not, there can never be too many smash games. :greenie:

[Skyblade]

A Clear Percentage explanation on Subspace Emissary is up. Remember, to get 100% in one playthrough, don't skip any cutscenes, and be sure to give the Awesome Sphere to the Youth League... :shifty:

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. In all seriousness though, Subspace Emissary looks wonderful, and they keep adding more and more to it.

[Evastio]

I'm hoping that getting 100% won't be that hard. I can already see myself getting frustrated at Orange Cubes for being hidden so well. I guess that's half the fun though.

[Roto13]

As long as I can tell which areas have stuff I missed, I look forward to it. :P

[Skyblade]

As long as I can tell which areas have stuff I missed, I look forward to it. :P

Ditto.

[Evastio]

I just found out in this thread (http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=8557&start=0) what's with the All Star Mode order. Quite neat if you ask me. :D

[Creeping Shadow]

Wow that is pretty interesting. As for the clear % thing that was a genious move for sakurai now people cant spam the web saying stuff like "OMG Theres A Hidden stage that lets you unlock naruto in BRAwl!!!!"

[Skyblade]

Wow that is pretty interesting. As for the clear % thing that was a genious move for sakurai now people cant spam the web saying stuff like "OMG Theres A Hidden stage that lets you unlock naruto in BRAwl!!!!"

Actually, people are already doing things like that, and it isn't going to change.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Man Lucario looks savage.

[Creeping Shadow]

Wow that is pretty interesting. As for the clear % thing that was a genious move for sakurai now people cant spam the web saying stuff like "OMG Theres A Hidden stage that lets you unlock naruto in BRAwl!!!!"

Actually, people are already doing things like that, and it isn't going to change.

Yeah but I can still hope...I can still hope.

[JKTrix]

So Lucario uses K-groove. Cool.

[Skyblade]

Hmm... I really want to see how Lucario performs in Sudden Death matches.

[Roto13]

Lucario will be top tier. :P

[ljkkjlcm9]

Lucario will be top tier. :P

I'm so using Lucario. My friends will hate me even more. In melee they use to team up on me to try and win, and even win I was in high percentages like 120%+ I would be killing them. With Lucario, it will just make it all the sweeter... to top it off, he looks like a Jackal

THE JACKEL

[Evastio]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/hidden06/hidden06_080228b-l.jpg

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/hidden06/hidden06_080228c-l.jpg

It's really nice to see a high quality picture of Lucario. :D I guess that's one thing that the Dojo does that other sites will never be able to copy. They made him look as cool as Marth and Falco. I'm glad they also explained his Force Palm move (although I still don't completely get what it does). I'll really looking forward to trying him out.

[Creeping Shadow]

Lucario is cool and all but I would perfer Mewtwo over him any day.

[Skyblade]

I wonder what his alternate costumes would be. He doesn't seem the type to wear bows. Maybe we'll get his shiny color scheme for an alternate outfit.

[Creeping Shadow]

I wonder what his alternate costumes would be. He doesn't seem the type to wear bows. Maybe we'll get his shiny color scheme for an alternate outfit.

The ansewer lies in this video around 3:03 I belive: YouTube - Super Smash Brothers Brawl Alternate Colors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o1j2m9Bd0E)

[Markus. D]

Lucario will be top tier. :P

ting ting ting~

[Evastio]

Lucario will be top tier. :P

ting ting ting~
It's really hard to tell with MLG people.

On a more positive note, here's some amusing GIFs I found on Brawl Central.

Keep in mind this one somewhat spoils SSE. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Arcadia12345/Umbrella-Dance-small.gif)

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh130/WE3KG/Untitled.gif

[Creeping Shadow]

That Dee Dee Dee one is made of WIN. :p

[Evastio]

It sure is. :D

If I remember correctly Pit's hammer animation is also different. It basically goes really choppy like it does in Kid Icarus. I don't know about other characters though.

[Monol]

Lucario is cool and all but I would perfer Mewtwo over him any day.

You sir are the man.

Lucario is definatly one of the coolest new additions. I still dispise how he replaced mewtwo but there is still no denying hes a pretty groovy character. His down b is like crrrazzy cool.

But of course he'll never be no krystal....*sighs and sheds some tears*

Anyhoot 10 more days till american release *waves little flag* Yay'z :p

[NeoCracker]

If Lucario can get knocked off as easy as MEwtwo, then I hardly doubt that damage gain is going to count for that much.

[Ultima Shadow]

If Lucario can get knocked off as easy as MEwtwo, then I hardly doubt that damage gain is going to count for that much.From what I have seen so far, it seems like he can last much longer than Mewtwo could though.

[Roto13]

New stage with Dialga and Palkia. I hope those weird effects don't get annoying. xP

[Evastio]

If anything I'd find them more interesting and amusing than annoying.

Personally I think Spear Pillar is one of the coolest stages seeing as how it's got two totally different looking floors, an awesome night sky background, 4th generation Pokemon making an appearance, and a lot of hazards that're enough to make MLG players scream like girls at how much they're being messed around with. Uh, no offense girls.

At first I thought for sure 4th Generation Pokemon wouldn't be making an appearance in Brawl because the next generation of Pokemon always seem to be released after a Smash Bros. Game. I'm glad that wasn't the case for Brawl. :D

[Creeping Shadow]

Yep one of the best things about Brawl is how it screws over the MLG who tryed to ruin melee.

[KentaRawr!]

How did MLG ruin Melee? By being competitive, or did they run into your house and snap your disc in half?

[Creeping Shadow]

They ran into my house and snaped my disc. But no seriously I wouldnt say they ruined it (my words may have been a little harsh) but they kept on making up ridculous rules like: You can only play on final destination, tier lists, and repetitve wave dashing :mad2: , I think that really ruins the fun of melee. But thats just my view of it.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

How did MLG ruin Melee? By being competitive, or did they run into your house and snap your disc in half?

My college's Smash Club is made up of them in its entirety. Suffice to say I don't go to Smash Club and take childlike glee in seeing stages that they will hate.

[Evastio]

Well, you have to admit it gets annoying when they say Fox, Falco, and Sheik are the only good characters and the rest of them are trash. Also, by cutting out certain stages they're totally ignoring the fact that some of those characters have disadvantages on them while the "trash characters" do really well on those levels. While Kirby and Mewtwo can handle levels like Brinstar Depths, Fox and Falco have problems not getting killed in them and they basically ignore the advantages that the "bad characters" have.

[KentaRawr!]

I suppose I really haven't seen anything MLG does specifically, so I guess I'm not one to talk. :tongue: However, cutting certain stages in competitive play normally seems to be something that's done because a specific character has some kind of massive advantage on that stage. For example, Hyrule Temple and Yoshi's Island aren't allowed due to certain tactics a Fox user could use to win the match easily. If it's a competitive thing, then rules like that are things I can understand. In casual play, however, I don't like it when people regulate what I do. My brother seems to like reminding me of tiers in Soul Calibur 2 whenever we play just to annoy me. I then go on to beat him with Yun. :3 Yayz.

Edit: Oh, and Brinstar Depths isn't banned due to un-fairness. It's just banned because it sucks and no one likes it. :D

Edit 2: Ewwwwwww. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPuesnIp0VY)

[JKTrix]

Yeah, when it comes to competitive play there has to be some kind of constant. I really don't play Smash like I play a Virtua Fighter or something, in fact I just barely consider Smash Bros to be a 'fighting game'. Playing it like a competitive fighting game would require all that restrictive stuff, and it really sucks a lot of the fun out of it since the game really isn't balanced properly like that. You do get stuck with a small number of characters who perform so much better than everyone else in a balanced situation. So while it could be fun with those few...in this kind of game that isn't all that deep, sticking to a few characters in a restricted situation would get boring for most.

The fun thing about Smash is that with all the crazy stuff going on, even characters that would suck in a 'normal' fighting game situation have a chance of doing pretty decently.

10 days!

[Roto13]

Final Destination is the most boring stage in the game. xP Honestly. The only reason it exists is because fighting Master Hand would be awkward anywhere else.

[Creeping Shadow]

Final Destination is the most boring stage in the game. xP Honestly. The only reason it exists is because fighting Master Hand would be awkward anywhere else.

Yeah trust me fighting master hand is akward anywhere else, I know. (debug mode)

[KentaRawr!]

I see fun in the game, even with the tourney restrictions set in. It's different from other fighting games, but it still has its own level of depth.

Edit for slowness: Final Destination is only boring if both you, and your opponent, are boring to one another. :3

[ljkkjlcm9]

Final Destination is the most boring stage in the game. xP Honestly. The only reason it exists is because fighting Master Hand would be awkward anywhere else.

while the stage itself is boring, I love the background of it. Sometimes it distracts me at the cool parts lol

THE JACKEL

[Creeping Shadow]

Edit 2: Ewwwwwww. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPuesnIp0VY)



NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! What have they done!!!!

[Roto13]

It's better than the Engrish from the last game. "Meeshyon compuuretu"

[KentaRawr!]

It's better than the Engrish from the last game. "Meeshyon compuuretu"

Yeah, but that was his only line. :monster: He's overall better when he doesn't talk.

[Creeping Shadow]

The fox and falco voices are just fine its the pit/meta knight voices I dont like, they sound really corny and overdone.

[KentaRawr!]

Pit I can agree with, but Metaknight sounds fine to me. I'll just ignore his Darth Vader-ness while a play.

[Creeping Shadow]

I dont have anything against a darth vader sounding chracter but it just sounds really overdone to me.

[Evastio]

Yeah. I don't like Meta Knight's voice either. I preferred his anime voice since it sounded much more unique.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I HATE Ike's voice. I'm sorry but, it doesn't sound like the voice actor from the games, or even manly enough to be Ike. I mean in the Wii Fire Emblem they make him super buff with huge muscles and everything, you'd think he'd sound more manly or tough

Fox and falco seem fine, Pit and metaknight I can deal with too, though they do seem a bit off

THE JACKEL

[Creeping Shadow]

I just hope marth has a better voice.

[Evastio]

I heard Marth's voice actor is still Japanese and hasn't changed at all from the Japanese Version of Brawl. :D

[Creeping Shadow]

God I hope so...

[Skyblade]

If you can't play with items on the wackiest stages out there, you can't play Smash Bros. Tournaments should be held on Random stages, with Random items. It's the only way to truly gauge people's skills at the game. Occasionally a character may get an advantage in cerain situations, but they can also wind up in situations which leave them at a massive disadvantage. Playing Final Destination (or even Battleground, for that matter) with no items isn't playing Smash Bros.

[Monol]

If you can't play with items on the wackiest stages out there, you can't play Smash Bros. Tournaments should be held on Random stages, with Random items. It's the only way to truly gauge people's skills at the game. Occasionally a character may get an advantage in cerain situations, but they can also wind up in situations which leave them at a massive disadvantage. Playing Final Destination (or even Battleground, for that matter) with no items isn't playing Smash Bros.

Uhh isnt that the polar opposite of what skill is? How is utter randomness "the only true way" to gauge somones skill? Anyone can do good or bad in a random scenario. There is no skill at all. With that said i think alot of pepole fail to realize that the competitive rules for melee have been around for a loong time. lol its no like theres two guys that are like "OMG FOX CAN SHINE! WE MAKE THE RULEZ AND EVERYONE ELSE IS GONNA SUCK AND NOONE IN THE WORLD HAS A SAY MUAHAHA". The truth is when you take a game seriously you have its reasonable to set some guidelines. The reason why these rules have been around for so long is because they work with the competitive atmosphere of the game. I dont get why pepole whine about rules when they hardly EVER compete in the first place. If competive gaming isnt your thing then just play the game like sakuri meant it to be played. Its dumb how pepole in the competitive scene are stereotyped as monsters who think wavedashing is the only way to win and going fox and falco is superior to any other option viable in the tournament scene. Look up videos. Have any of you ever heard of "Pound"? Its one if not the biggest tourney here in the U.S. A player named Mango won this year. Guess who he used? Jigglypuff :D See? Dreams can come true!

Another thing is whats with this "it isnt fun" nonsense to play competitivly? Do you think pros and such play the game because they force themselves to like some sadistic torture? There having fun too! Competitive play is fun as well wether any of you choose to admit it or not. In that regard what is so "unfun" about competitive play anyways? Oh right the "rules"...the "limitations". Well as i said if you dont like them dont compete but realize they really arent that outlandish as most of you make them out to be. For one stock matches are timed. This isnt a bad thing because this keeps the tournament running at a fair pace for everyone. Because matches are timed (8 minutes is certainly reasonable...though times do vary) certain stages are banned for the sake of fairness. Now granted i dont agree with alot of stage bannings but different tourneys have different rules. Theres only about 5 actual stages that are typically ALWAYS banned (brinstar being a top canidate because that stage sucks...for EVERYONE but more importantly low tiers which is soo not cool). And fights consists of sets which are typically best out of 3. You lose one match the loser gets to counter pick a stage of his choosing. So how is that not fair? FD sucks but most tourneys dont allow the same stage used in a set where the player won so that isnt a big deal either (though i like the stage it sucks playing an decent falcos there...).

Also there are diffrent types of tourneys. Theres "Crews", low tiers only (my favorite :D ), teams (tons of fun to watch) and the list goes on. My point is simply quit gripping about the competitive scene. If you dont like it thats perfectly fine but quit bashing the pepole who do because your no diffrent then the jerks you claim exist in regard to the competitive smash community. If the rules upset you so much the hold your own tourney, make your own site, and make your own rules (or heck dont have rules at all).

Oh and Spear pillar looks awwwsome. :greenie:

Wowzers wall of text is an understatment! Lets uhh try fixing that a bit...

[ljkkjlcm9]

wall of text... hurts eyes

I did manage to read it though. It's fine that there is competitive play with rules, I just think that everyone here agrees it detracts from the game. It's not the same game without the stages and the items.

THE JACKEL

[NeoCracker]

I like Brinstar. :(

[Skyblade]

My point, Monol, is that those random items and stages that try to kill you are what define Smash Bros. If you want a duel on a flat stage between two characters with very fixed movesets, you might as well be playing Mortal Kombat. You're not playing Smash Bros. Wacky, unpredictable play, maneuvering around the platforms, working the items into your battle strategies, those have all been central to the Smash Bros. gameplay. If you can't play with those things, you're missing out on most of the game. How can you claim to have be a skilled player of Smash Bros. if you can't handle 60% of its gameplay?