FF7 Neo Riddles

[Karifean]

the ribbon in great glacier.

[leader of mortals]

Yes, that is correct!

This item found on my way to arrest,
Will help me through all I detest.
Hidden away, inside of this chest,
I think that, surely, this must be the best!

It is found not long before Tifa's near execution...
"All I detest" means staus ailments
It is hidden away, and it is found in a chest NO WAY!:Eek:
You could probably say that it's the best accessory in the game.

Your turn Karifean, and I have a much better riddle all ready for next time...

[Karifean]

Holy Materia, A warm up round,
Plus Normal Attack, That can be found,
Where my friend and me once tried,
But during that, I died.

What Is My Name?

[Rokk]

Lifestream?

[seiferalmasy2]

Holy Materia, A warm up round,
Plus Normal Attack, That can be found,
Where my friend and me once tried,
But during that, I died.

What Is My Name?

... Yamski (yamaski)

A friend of Holzoff (ov) who braved the Cliff's of Gaea (Gaia) and died.

Holzoff - Final Fantasy VII Characters - Caves of Narshe (http://www.cavesofnarshe.com/ff7/characters.php?character=Holzoff)

Holy materia is Alexander
Normal attack? Added cut/effect?
Warm up round the hot spring?

All can be found at Great Glacier

[Karifean]

*clap* *clap* *clap*

seiferalmasy2, your turn.

[seiferalmasy2]

A Sum.

Number of Turtle Paradise Flyers
X
Total Number of Mako Reactors seen in the game
X
last Digit For Safe
X
Number of Weapon monsters
-
Four Cactuar specials
-
Hi Potion
+
The lying Men

= Which monster am I?

[Melissaur]

Like really.... wow this is a good one!

[Karifean]

uh... SampleH0512?

[seiferalmasy2]

uh... SampleH0512?

no. It is a sum. Add up the totals, print the total you think it is and the monster ;) The number you get is a big clue to it.

And I do hope I have this right :P

[Rokk]

one thing; do you classify the Mako reactor at Fort Condor, since you don't really see it?

[seiferalmasy2]

one thing; do you classify the Mako reactor at Fort Condor, since you don't really see it?

yes because you learn about it and do see condor. :)

[Karifean]

My count of Reactors is 6.

Nibelheim Reactor
Makou Reactors 1...
...and 5 at the beginning of the game
Fort Condor Reactor
Corel Reactor
Junon Underwater Reactor

Am I missing any? I hope no...

Hi-Potion could probably be 500, yet "Four Cactuar Specials" and "The Lying Men" are mysteries to me.

[seiferalmasy2]

My count of Reactors is 6.

Nibelheim Reactor
Makou Reactors 1...
...and 5 at the beginning of the game
Fort Condor Reactor
Corel Reactor
Junon Underwater Reactor

Am I missing any? I hope no...

Hi-Potion could probably be 500, yet "Four Cactuar Specials" and "The Lying Men" are mysteries to me.

Mako reactors "you can see"

Not just visit ;)

[Karifean]

oh.. then the number doubles because of the additional makou reactors in midgar (8 total, 2 already written).

So I guess that number is 12...

[leader of mortals]

6*12*97*5-4000-500=30420...

I dont know what Sleeping mean means, but I doubt the value would be enough to make this a 6 digit number...

3 means E....
The only enemy with with 5 letters in thier name that starts with an E is Elena...


So is it Elena?

[Karifean]

uhm, the last DIGIT for safe... isn't that 7, not 97?

Then it'd be a negative number, though...

[seiferalmasy2]

uhm, the last DIGIT for safe... isn't that 7, not 97?

Then it'd be a negative number, though...

You can look online if you wish, It is not 7 ;)

Also, the number you getm however large, is a clue to the enemy in question.

=========
6*12*97*5-4000-500=30420..

Your sum has made a mistake in 2 areas.

[Rokk]

6x13x97x5-4000-500+3=33,333

Answer is Vlakorados, which has 33,333HP?

[leader of mortals]

*sigh*

I can only think of 13 Reactors... Adding Gongaga to Karifean's list.

I think there is actually 7 Turtle Paradise Posters, because there is 6 for the sources and one either outside or inside the actual building.

And also, the last digit for the safe is indeed 7, seifer, but I'm sure you meant last number or last code or something like that.

So 7*13*97*5-4000-500=39635

Now I need a hint on lying men

[seiferalmasy2]

6x13x97x5-4000-500+3=33,333

Answer is Vlakorados, which has 33,333HP?

VERY WELL DONE!!!!

6 flyers
13 reactors inc meltdown at gongaga
97 last code for safe (sorry for the word "digit")
5 weapons
1000 needles * 4
Hi Potion
and the 3 lying men at Corel Prison!

[Rokk]

Heh heh, awesome.

Someone else feel free to take my turn ;)

[Karifean]

The first is not interesting,
however, the second and third thing,
are found in the same area
and one unlocks another.

If you want another line for that riddle, click...


The last solution, in the future,
may be the first in a process of torture
for lots of points but an eternity
still, the third's becoming a deity.

[Jaffer]

WEAPONS

[Karifean]

nope

[Melissaur]

Dose it have anything to do with the Shin-Ra mansion safe?

[seiferalmasy2]

Not that 3 chest puzzle in the Shin-Ra Building?

[FFIX Choco Boy]

The Unknown monsters in the Gelnika?

[Jaffer]

the places where you insert the batteries on your way up the plate?

[Karifean]

none of those.

[Jaffer]

Command Materia: The first (Steal) is not very interesting, the second (Sense) is found on Red XIII, recruiting him unlocks the third (Enemy Skill), which is everything it's made out to be in the second poem.

[Karifean]

it's very related to enemy skills. try to find out the "first/second/third", but not related to other command materias.
Oh, and by the way, you can find Sense in front of the gate to the crushed Sector 7. Red XIII has the Fire materia.

[Jaffer]

I know, but he also has one as well. Well, then it's the Enemy Skills Matra Magic, Lvl 4 Suicide and Chocobuckle, the last can only be gained with with lvl 4 Suicide from what I'be hard.

[Karifean]

Actually, the last part meant "leveling up" chocobuckle, but still, you got it. Jaffer, your turn.

[Jaffer]

I'll keep it simple

You minus 10 plus 10 plus 8 plus 8 equals what object?

[Melissaur]

Well that equals 16, and there's 16 summons, so is it Master Summon Materia?

[Karifean]

I'm guessing "you" is referring to the amount of characters: 8.

then the answer would be 24, but what object could that be?

i probably shouldn't post this, because i have no idea, what the 24 could mean, but I'll do so anyway.

[Jaffer]

No

EDIT: It's a riddle guys, look at it from different angles that's all I'm willing to say.

[Jaffer]

It may not be an actual equation.

[Karifean]

Then I'd say each of the numbers stand for a specific "thing" in the game. Like You (8) - 10 (Say, Levels) + 10 (Materias) .....

Still got no idea yet.

Does "You" equal 8 or doesn't it?

[Jaffer]

no

[G13]

Your "hints" are incredibly helpful.

I hope you can feel the sarcasm because I'm doing it as hard as I possibly can.

[Melissaur]

What the heck else would these numbers refer to??

[G13]

Do those numbers have anything to do with Materia?

I keep thinking of experience needed to level up.

[seiferalmasy2]

The problem is this clue is way too vague. Numbers with no context can be literally anything....

[Kyros]

I think it has to do with people wondering why there's numbers with no references yet its a riddle none-the-less, and they tend to think about it for 16 mins before saying w/e and going to find something else to do.

*does an 8 have to do with 8 characters? I guess the -10 could have to do with it costing $10 on the ps3 maybe? the other 8 could be the fact the most materia 1 weapon can hold is 8 maybe, and idk about the +10 maybe you rate it 10/10? idk =/

Also, someone talked about the number 24 though idk where they got that number from all this. There are 24 commands for the enemy skill materia though. random fact?

[Jaffer]

No! nonono! How many numbers are there? They go up and down and up and up. Where do you see this in FFVII?

[Melissaur]

OMG!!!!! The safe in the Shinra Mansion!!

[Jaffer]

No, again.

It has to do with your stats

[Kyros]

is it a materia that gives -10 +10 +8 +8 to certain stats (I'm pretty sure materias gave +/- percentages but not sure so if they did then these numbers would be %)? I cant figure out which one it would be D:

I'll guess a summon materia um bahamut zero?

[Jaffer]

Bingo. Now I definitely feel I gave to much away. Oh well, you're up.

[Kyros]

lol I wasn't sure I had it b/c wasn't sure what else it could be :)

I'll try to word this right so let's see how it goes:

with my hand I shall seek revenge
for what I once lost
only memories and a piece of my former self
remain when all is done

[Jaffer]

Cloud?

[Kyros]

nope

[Rokk]

Dyne?

[Kyros]

yeah that was fast lol, felt like choosing him since he seems to be an underappreciated character

[Rokk]

Fallen; you must pull yourselves back together,
In my domain, lacking in light,
Even so, you can't hide forever,
I will aid you unintentionally, in this fight.

[BG-57]

It is Aps? The sewer monster that has a self-damaging attack?

[seiferalmasy2]

It is Aps? The sewer monster that has a self-damaging attack?

If it isn't that, I will eat my hat ;)

[Jaffer]

Jenova LIFE, the being that appears right after Aerith falls and you need to pull yourself together, thankfully she only has Water attacks while you just got the Water Ring, so...

[Rokk]

It is Aps? The sewer monster that has a self-damaging attack?

Correct! Haha too easy? :-)

[BG-57]

I've learned over the years how hard it is to gauge the difficulty of the riddles I make myself. :greenie:

My location is the Temple
But I'm not divine
I'm meant to be used
But I never am

[Melissaur]

Black Materia. I wasnt going to guess this cause it's to obvious, but oh well

[BG-57]

Not Black Materia.

[Jaffer]

Those puzzels that you're suppose to solve to shrink the temple to Materia size, which Caith Sith never actually does. Unless walking is a puzzel.

[Melissaur]

The Princess Guard weapon you get in the forth room in the clock place?

[BG-57]

Neither.

[Jaffer]

There isn't some inaccessible walkway visible in the first area, is there?

[Masamunemaster]

a nail bat??

[BG-57]

There isn't some inaccessible walkway visible in the first area, is there?

Not that I know of.


a nail bat??

Nope.

[Jaffer]

The Silver Rifle? Vincent's useless enough, and his saving grace; Deathblow+Sniper CR makes this beyond useless.

[seiferalmasy2]

I have an advantage in that I can look at the game files :P

Only thing I could find was "mop", cid's weapon that absolutely no one uses.

[Melissaur]

The Silver Rifle? Vincent's useless enough, and his saving grace; Deathblow+Sniper CR makes this beyond useless.
Vincent is not useless. Not that I have used him once this playthrough... He does good for long range fighting. The only useless thing aobut him is his Limit Breaks. And in the Temple there are a lot of places you dont actually get to go. There's even a staircase that leads to a wall that always pissed me off.

[Karifean]

hmmm, i wonder whether it's any of the useless items from gold saucer (masamune, super sweeper, 1/35 soldier, autograph, tissue, ...)

square initially intended them to have a use, but cancelled it due to lack of time.

[Melissaur]

Well going on that, you also get a tissue from the Battle Arena. Thoses are so annoying and useless. Though I'm not so sure Square had any intention of making them useful...

[Jaffer]

The Silver Rifle? Vincent's useless enough, and his saving grace; Deathblow+Sniper CR makes this beyond useless.
Vincent is not useless. Not that I have used him once this playthrough... He does good for long range fighting. The only useless thing aobut him is his Limit Breaks. And in the Temple there are a lot of places you dont actually get to go. There's even a staircase that leads to a wall that always pissed me off.

Vincent has the lowest statgrowths in the game, Yuffie and Barret make him obselete.

[Kyros]

Aeris

[BG-57]

The Silver Rifle? Vincent's useless enough, and his saving grace; Deathblow+Sniper CR makes this beyond useless.

Not the Silver Rifle.


I have an advantage in that I can look at the game files :P

Only thing I could find was "mop", cid's weapon that absolutely no one uses.

Not Mop.


hmmm, i wonder whether it's any of the useless items from gold saucer (masamune, super sweeper, 1/35 soldier, autograph, tissue, ...)

square initially intended them to have a use, but cancelled it due to lack of time.

None of them.


Well going on that, you also get a tissue from the Battle Arena. Thoses are so annoying and useless. Though I'm not so sure Square had any intention of making them useful...

Nope.


Aeris

It's not Aeris.

[Melissaur]

The Luck plus materia you find after following the second ancient spirit?

[BG-57]

Nope.

[Jaffer]

Damn that was gonna be my next guess... Work Glove?

[Melissaur]

Is it the Purple guy you have to chase down? I believe he's a Ancient...

[BG-57]

Damn that was gonna be my next guess... Work Glove?

Not the Work Glove.


Is it the Purple guy you have to chase down? I believe he's a Ancient...

Not the Ancient.

[leader of mortals]

Is it one of the dead end rooms in the Temple of Ancient's Clock Room?

If not, does the riddle even talk about the Temple of Ancients, or is that a little trick?

[G13]

It is a reference to the temple of the Ancients, right?

Edit: I swear I didn't see the above post.

[BG-57]

Is it one of the dead end rooms in the Temple of Ancient's Clock Room?

If not, does the riddle even talk about the Temple of Ancients, or is that a little trick?


It is a reference to the temple of the Ancients, right?

Edit: I swear I didn't see the above post.

It's not the clock room.

I never said it was the Temple of the Ancients. :D

Repost:

My location is the Temple
But I'm not divine
I'm meant to be used
But I never am

[seiferalmasy2]

temple may refer to where it is supposed to be used. As in a gun.

That case, I would guess the Highblow ST

[note, Highbrow (or possibly High Blow) weapon does exist in the game but was mistranslated and instead called Supershot ST. ハイブロウST > Haiburou ST > Highbrow ST EUdict | ハイブラウ | Japanese (Kanji)-English dictionary (http://www.eudict.com/?lang=jpkeng&word=%E3%83%8F%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A6) ]

[G13]

I never said it was the Temple of the Ancients. :D

lol Nice.

I'm gonna really think about this before I post an answer.

Edit: Is it Holy Materia? Probably not it since you said it's not divine, but it's worth a shot.

[BG-57]

temple may refer to where it is supposed to be used. As in a gun.

That case, I would guess the Highblow ST

[note, Highbrow (or possibly High Blow) weapon does exist in the game but was mistranslated and instead called Supershot ST. ハイブロウST > Haiburou ST > Highbrow ST EUdict | ハイブラウ | Japanese (Kanji)-English dictionary (http://www.eudict.com/?lang=jpkeng&word=%E3%83%8F%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A6) ]

It's not the Supershot ST. But you're thinking along the right lines.



I never said it was the Temple of the Ancients. :D

lol Nice.

I'm gonna really think about this before I post an answer.

Edit: Is it Holy Materia? Probably not it since you said it's not divine, but it's worth a shot.

It's not Holy Materia.

[Jaffer]

Cid's goggles?

[BG-57]

We have a winner! :)

He wears it on his head, near the temples. It's meant to be used as aviator goggles, but he's never shown wearing them over his eyes.

Your go Jaffer.

[Jaffer]

The goggles do nothing, why wasn't this my first guess?!

Alright this is probably crap but...

I am criminal yet I do not harm,
you cannot find me in just any barn.
I cannot act without aid,
you won't reach me until you lose the maid.

[BG-57]

I'm assuming the maid is Aeris, and that it's a contraction for maiden not a servant girl. Hmm.

Chocobo Sage?

[Jaffer]

No, and yes maid refers to Aeris.

[BG-57]

The guy on the bulldozer?

[IronOcean]

its not the don, i know to easy of a guess but oh well

[Karifean]

Joe/Teioh? "Reach" and "Meet" could mean different things...

[Jaffer]

none of those, the real clue here is "I cannot act without aid"

[BG-57]

The Fort Condor guy?

[Melissaur]

Ok. So Rantzien is banned, but he would like to guess "Steal as Well" materia.

[^OmegaShot^]

ultima weapon? thing to another why rantzien was banned?

[Jaffer]

Ok. So Rantzien is banned, but he would like to guess "Steal as Well" materia.

He? I dunno who "he" is referring to but he won. "Steal as Well" is what I was looking for. It's his turn to make the next riddle, you tell him that.

[Melissaur]

yay!! Rantzien got it. Okay I'll tell him.

[Jaffer]

Oh, i thought that by banned you meant that it something in the game that wasn't an option anymore for some reason.

[Rantz]

Woop woop! Good thing I have my second account my slave bot Melissa to deliver my guesses when I'm unable! :jess: Here's my riddle.

Access granted late enough
may sooth the curious mind
Panacea in two forms
and single raise behind
Following the sore defeat
of science gone too far
Pay another visit to
the vale of fallen star

[Melissaur]

Umm, Taking a wild guess! There is that room in Cosmo Canyon... The first time you come here, after the buggy break down its ropped off, but if you revisit Cosmo Canyon then the ropes are removed and there's like 3 items in there. So is it than room?

[seiferalmasy2]

It could also be the sealed door leading to the gi cave

[Rantz]

Melissaur's guess is correct!

[Melissaur]

umm well I can't really think of a good riddle right now so it's up for grabs.

[seiferalmasy2]

I fight evil but I am not real
My method is magic rather than steel

Pretty easy I think. I will expand on riddle if this is too hard...

[G13]

The Lifestream?

[Melissaur]

Holy Materia?

[Khimbar2775]

Cait Sith?

[seiferalmasy2]

none of those. I will hint if peopel request

[Khimbar2775]

i guess im just looking into the "but i am not real" bit a tad too much. what else was in the game what *wasnt* real? cait sith seemed a fine answer, except thatd be more technology than magic than anything. maybe a hojo experiment? like nanaki?

[Kyros]

Nanaki was not alive because Hojo so how does that make sense? He wasn't born via experiment O.o

my guess is meteor's threat

[Karifean]

the cetra (ex: when using a materia)?

[seiferalmasy2]

I am not real, is an important line ;) If you think about it from the POV of the people of FF7. In other words, the thing/person/word in question is not real from THEIR pov.

Obviously from our POV none of FF7 is real.

The words have been carefully chosen to narrow it down... they are not just there to rhyme.

[Tidusjnr]

Riddles Are Real Cool :)

[Khimbar2775]

the different summons from summon materia? like Ramuh

[Kyros]

Cid's Dragon limit?

[seiferalmasy2]

the different summons from summon materia? like Ramuh

Summons are real creatures in FF7.

[Khimbar2775]

a ghost that uses magic? lol

Vincent's final limit break came to mind, if you consider is transformation not being a real entity, merely a form of Vincent. he only uses his wings and magics. sketchy answer, i know...

but what else in ffvii was not real? cait sith is the only thing that comes to mind for me. he was jsut a puppet controlled. im totally blanking on ideas. what would you even define as *real* concerning ffvii worldly views? maybe every single person there is an empiricst

what about nanaki's father in cosmo canyon??? one could say hes not living anymore, ergo not a real person anymore??? ergo, not real???

Hi Khimbar! Please don't double post, instead if you have something to add, use the edit/delete button to add to your earlier post if it's the last one in a thread. Additionally, only one guess at a time per person is allowed in riddle threads, that is, until the riddle author confirms or denies your guess. It's up to seiferalmasy2 how he wants to handle this, though.
Regards, Rantzien

my bad lol before yesterday, i had been away for four years. i never realized riddle threads have evolved so much. its a cool thing to see though :)

[seiferalmasy2]

a ghost that uses magic? lol

A ghost is a real enemy in FF7 (although I would accept this as "not real", sadly not correct answer)



Vincent's final limit break came to mind, if you consider is transformation not being a real entity, merely a form of Vincent. he only uses his wings and magics. sketchy answer, i know...

Vincents limits are real in FF7 and the monsters are also real. Same with other suggestions.

You have to think about the clue I have given, the words I have used really do narrow it down. Think about it ;)

[Khimbar2775]

so are we in agreement that all materia and all things evoked from materia are real?

and when were talkin evil, from whos perspective are we talkin? according to shinra, AVALANCHE would be pretty damn evil, no? :P

and as for whats "real" and "not real" are we including robots? like if youre talking with a robot a.i., you you were to speak of them as a person, someone would say "theyre not real." what definition of "real" are you using?

[seiferalmasy2]

I have answered as much on it as I am willing to

:D

[Khimbar2775]

all youve ever said up until now is "no." :P just pointing out

[seiferalmasy2]

all youve ever said up until now is "no." :P just pointing out

I have said more....that riddle is all you need.

[Khimbar2775]

then i demand a mulligan :P. im stumped because im unable to think of anything else in-game thats "not real" yet i still dont even know the reference guide as to what is "real" and not. your answer for ghosts is extremely counter-intuitive despite the "help."

unless youd like to wait out someone else to give an answer. i give up.

[G13]

Is it a Super Sweeper (Sweeper Custom specifically)?

They aren't real as in they're not human. They use the Enemy Skill Matra Magic even though they have the ability to use their "steel" parts to damage you.

[seiferalmasy2]

Super-Alloy Sweeper is a real thing used ina reactor :) You aren't thinking logically, but you will kick yourself when you get the answer.

They do not fight evil either....

[Kyros]

Not gonna acknowledge my guess from earlier? :(

[seiferalmasy2]

Limit breaks are real in FF7. Whatever this thing is, it exists in FF7 but it is not "real" in a sense, same way as the SAME THING in the real world is not considered real. This thing/person/object/whatever exists in our world too.

That is a clue :)

Again think about the words I used in riddle.

[Kyros]

just b/c limits are real, it wasnt a real dragon =/

cloud's memories when he though he was zack?

[seiferalmasy2]

just b/c limits are real, it wasnt a real dragon =/

cloud's memories when he though he was zack?

Cloud's fake memories would be considered not real, but a memory cannot fight evil or use magic rather than steel?

I will give 1 last clue in a few days :)

[Kyros]

In his memories he was fighting evil though those memories weren't real so there's too many things that your vague riddle could be =/

temple of the ancients

[LusciousCrane]

Would it be Aeris' prayer?

It's real in a sense, just like prayers exist in the real world but aren't considered to be something to any real end. (no offense intended).

Also it is used to fight evil (meteor/black materia) and uses holy magic instead of "steel"

[seiferalmasy2]

The riddle is not vague when you consider the words used. I will now give a clue:

It is a character of FF7 (Hence "I am" wasn't just part of the riddle, it was telling you this is a person). No more clues now ;) That has narrowed it down.

Consider the words I used in the riddle

[Karifean]

I fight evil but I am not real
My method is magic rather than steel



the shinentai? (though they actually don't fight...)

[LusciousCrane]

Sephiroth???:D


Limit breaks are real in FF7. Whatever this thing is, it exists in FF7 but it is not "real" in a sense, same way as the SAME THING in the real world is not considered real. This thing/person/object/whatever exists in our world too.

That is a clue :)

Again think about the words I used in riddle.

So as we can see this person also exists in the real world, but is somehow not real... furthermore there are no specific characters in FF7 that also exist in the real world, so it has to be some generic character/person. But this "person" also fights "evil" (from the POV of the people anyway) and uses magic, which to my knowledge doesn't exist in this world... ummm i cant think of anything fitting this description. my only guess (other than some god-like character which isn't ever mentioned in FF7 other than theres a church in the midgar slums) would be...

Bugenhagen??

though he's a real character, he's unreal in the sense that he knows just about everything in the world, and he floats, seriously... in the real world he would be crazy-intelligent old professors, like one of my many music professors who knows everything about the subject. they fight evil, bugenhagen specifically, by using education (a magic of some sort right??) to teach the party what they need to know in order to stop the evil, thus indirectly fighting evil???

I seriously can't think of anything, not to mention that among all the clues you've given its so narrowed down that every potential answer, at least that i can think of, is crossed out by at least some requirement you've put in place. i just hope your answer also fits your parameters and if it does then good riddle man...

[leader of mortals]

Seto?

[seiferalmasy2]

None of those ;) All of those are real to the people of FF7, this character, as I have said before, is not.

[Khimbar2775]

*I* am still of the opinion that the first character to die is still a perfectly legitimate answer. Cait Sith (controlled by Reeve of the Department of Transportation for Shinra) is a fake because he gets crushed by the Temple of the Ancients, but Reeve just sends out a replacement to the party. And he certainly doesn't use steel, he uses megaphones, which would be some sort of plastic/alloy type design. And he is fully able to equip materia and use magic to fight evil.

But I am saddened because i gave this answer thirty posts ago, but it is still apparently wrong, though it still fits every hint.

And btw, saying it exists in our world as well is a very loose hint. One could very easily and readily claim that everything from FFVII *does* exist in our world. Toys, T-shirts, online forum signatures, paraphernalia for consumer purchase validates most anything and everything.

Just pointing out how helpful your hints are to the pessimistic answerer...

[seiferalmasy2]

Cait Sith is a real character with a real personality of reeve. The character in question is not real in any way when you look at it properly.


And he certainly doesn't use steel, he uses megaphones, which would be some sort of plastic/alloy type design.


That would be ridiculously vague. Steel is not in a vague meaning, it is specific.



And he is fully able to equip materia and use magic to fight evil.

The word evil is not vague but specific.

It is not Cait Sith.

[Rantz]

I've been thinking about making this guess for a while but it's a bit iffy so I haven't. Might as well throw it out though. Is it the virtual fighter you control in the fighting game in Golden Saucer's Wonder Square?

I've been trying forever to think of properly fictional characters within the FFVII universe but nothing comes to mind.

[seiferalmasy2]

Now you are thinking properly...

[Kyros]

the video game version of cloud protecting the car when the shinra soldiers on motorcycles are attacking it

[seiferalmasy2]

the video game version of cloud protecting the car when the shinra soldiers on motorcycles are attacking it

That is not a character.

[leader of mortals]

That fortune teller in the Gold Saucer?

[seiferalmasy2]

That fortune teller in the Gold Saucer?

Is not a character, justa machine. Does not fight evil or use magic rather than steel.

[Kyros]

the video game version of cloud protecting the car when the shinra soldiers on motorcycles are attacking it

That is not a character.

a character in a video game is a character, l2terminology?

one of vincents limits

[seiferalmasy2]

It is a character in the game that Cloud can speak to ;)

[leader of mortals]

OMG! I JUST GOT IT!

It's definitely the Card Ghosts from FF9...

[Khimbar2775]

Mog?

[Melissaur]

Is it the Ancient Spirit in the temple?

[seiferalmasy2]

No :P

You are thinking too vague,. Remember that this clue can work with this character and that the words are carefully chosen. It is a hard one to get, I agree but when you see what it is you will know why it works....

Think of the words:

Evil
Steel
magic
Rather than

These are all clues, sometimes directly

[Kyros]

lucrecia's ghost?

[Rokk]

Is it Jenova disguised as Sephiroth on the boat to Costa Del Sol.

Jenova is fighting evil from its point of view; the humans who are settled on the planet. It also uses magic when you fight it. And as for the not real part, it is not the real Sephiroth, which is what the party believe at first.

[seiferalmasy2]

jenova is a real character and she certainly does not fight evil :P

[Rokk]

jenova is a real character and she certainly does not fight evil :P

Yeah that's what confused me. Everyone who lives on the planet is "evil" from Sephiroth and Jenova's POV, cos they have 'ruined' it by settling there, and the plant should be destined for them. So Evil is definitely from the main party (or the player's POV?)

[seiferalmasy2]

Evil from clouds point of view and pretty much anyoen who knew what the evil is :P

believe me , when I say Evil, it is a big clue. If no one has got this by next week I will give 1 last clue which will narrow it down further.

But remember there are only so many characters on FF7, so you should be able to get it... Just think about the riddle and then think of what part of the game has "evil" and a character which is not "real" to cloud.

Also remember that how cloud sees this character as "not real" is the same way we can see this same character as not real in the REAL world.

When you find out what it is, you will know why it works, that is all I can say :P

[Kyros]

I'm thinking Yuffie idk why, just thinking it might be her :x

[HOOTERS]

It has to be the great wizard, Vorman.

I fight evil (the Evil Dragon King) but I am not real (he is a fictional character in the play)
My method is magic (Wizard) rather than steel (as opposed to the knight who you can also talk to)

[seiferalmasy2]

It has to be the great wizard, Vorman.

I fight evil (the Evil Dragon King) but I am not real (he is a fictional character in the play)
My method is magic (Wizard) rather than steel (as opposed to the knight who you can also talk to)

Very well done ;) You see, it didn't need these clues :)

"Rather than" you get a choice
"Evil" The Evil Dragon King
"Magic" Wizard Vorman
"Steel" The Knight

Actually the Knight is called "soldier" probably an injoke of FF7....it is obviously a knight, but the japanese says Soldier.

[Kyros]

I totally didnt pay attention to that play lol

[HOOTERS]

First down then up then straight ahead, that's just what I say,
Then you'll find a best friend - hey get out of the way!
Believe in oneself, while looking at the screen,
Go up but don't take it - that would just be mean!
Scrap metal and materia, you can find it here,
This guy needs an antidote, and you a brain, my dear.

[Rantz]

Your first time in the Sector 5 slums?

First down then up then straight ahead
Down through the church roof, rise up after the fall, straight ahead somewhere

Then you'll find a best friend - hey get out of the way!
Something something Aeris something Turks

Believe in oneself, while looking at the screen,
Go up but don't take it - that would just be mean!
Something something barrel pushing.

Scrap metal and materia, you can find it here,
Self explanatory.

This guy needs an antidote, and you a brain, my dear.
"This guy are sick."

[HOOTERS]

You're extremely close - the last line you have dead on but the others are wrong, if you work out the other lines you'll get the right answer but yeah you've almost got it you just need to be a bit more specific.

[Melissaur]

Well is it specifically the Church in the slums? Probably wrong but it is more specific. ^__^

[HOOTERS]

It has nothing to do with the church.:smash:

[Melissaur]

Well I remember there was a sick guy in the bathroom at the bar in the Wallmarket...

[Kyros]

the don corneo series of events in wall market part of the game?

[seiferalmasy2]

Scrap metal and materia

Scrap metal when the pillar falls and you find a "sense" materia?

I also thought "don't take it, it would be mean" to refer to the boy with the money in his draw, and later it is a turbo ether.

I am off bed, if that is it, someone else take my go :P

[Rantz]

The shopping area of Sector 5 slums?

First down then up then straight ahead, that's just what I say,
The woman who first goes around looking down for things on the ground, later looking up for meteor, and later yet looking straight ahead—or so she says, but her sprite looks the same.

Then you'll find a best friend - hey get out of the way!
Might be a dog there? Not sure.

Believe in oneself, while looking at the screen,
Dunno about this one.

Go up but don't take it - that would just be mean!
What seiferalmasy2 said.

Scrap metal and materia, you can find it here,
This guy needs an antidote, and you a brain, my dear.
Same as I said before.

[seiferalmasy2]

Of course it could refer to the man in the toilet, in wallmarket who needs a digestive...I suppose.

[Khimbar2775]

"believe in oneself" isnt that phrase used when you climb the "shiny wire of hope" or whatever it is referred to when you climb the huge wall then use the batteries? i think Barret says this...

or am i just rambling?

[HOOTERS]

Yeah Rantzien is close enough, it was the people of the sector 5 slums:

First down then up then straight ahead, that's just what I say,
(You got this right - the woman walking around outside)

Then you'll find a best friend - hey get out of the way!
(Yeah there's a dog there, and just nearby a guy who tells you to get out of the way).

Believe in oneself, while looking at the screen,
(In one of the houses theres a guy watching the news on a screen and says the only person to believe in is oneself).

Go up but don't take it - that would just be mean!
(and upstairs is the boy with the money in his drawer as seiferalmasy2 said).

Scrap metal and materia, you can find it here,
(The materia shop owner says that they have everything from scrap metal to materia in the slums).

This guy needs an antidote, and you a brain, my dear.
(As you said: "This guy are sick" - the guy in the pipe.)

[Rantz]

Anyone who wants it can have my turn.

[Melissaur]

NO! Rantzy-Bear should make the riddle!

[G13]

Rantzy-Bear? Bahahahahaha!
What a sickening display of affection. :barf:

I would go but I'm drawing a blank.

[Melissaur]

Eric you're a brat! But we need a new riddle.... GO!

[leader of mortals]

Well, I guess I can go...

This item found on my way to arrest,
Will end all that I detest.
Hidden away, inside of this chest,
I think that, surely, this must be the best!

And yes, it is different...

[Melissaur]

Well form the riddle I'm guessing it's an item, so I'm going with a remedy?

[leader of mortals]

Not a remedy...

[Kyros]

megalixir?

[Karifean]

Since you say it's different, I'm sure it's not "Ribbon" again^^
And it says it "ends" all I detest, which is different.
That's why I say it's Great Gospel.

[leader of mortals]

Neither of those two...

And yes, it is, of course, not Ribbon :D

[Kyros]

Max Score or w/e Barret's best gun was called?

[leader of mortals]

nope

[Khimbar2775]

what i think is the hinge for directional thinking here is teh word "arrest." english would dictate that it would be accosicated with the lawful arrest of an unlawful person. however, the root word from french strictly means "to stop." once i could determine which word it was, i could progress further in my thinking.

so until then, i shall guess the first chest you find in the northern crater, the item that lets you create your own save point. you are arresting (stopping) sephiroth for the final time, and its an awesome item cause, hell, you can create your own save point location...

unless the item itself "Will end all that I detest."

and im also scraping my mind of when cloud and co. get arrested. i know they do in shinra tower, but i wonder if they do elsewhere...

[Karifean]

cloud and co get arrested at shinra tower, gold saucer/corel and junon execution, as far as i know.

[leader of mortals]

I am talking about the arrest at Junon, same time period as my last riddle, between the beginning of disk 2 and the arrest at Junon.

[Khimbar2775]

remind me of that period of the game. i havent played in nearly 7 years...

the arrest at junon happenes after summiting the ice mountains and completing the whirlwind maze, yes? then you wake up in custody with meteor hanging high in the sky, and are sentenced to execution by gas chamber, but then Emerald (i think) WEAPON attacks and you get free because of it?

that period of the game? i remember a butt load of details of that game, but as time goes on, they get rearranged in my head :P

[leader of mortals]

remind me of that period of the game. i havent played in nearly 7 years...

the arrest at junon happenes after summiting the ice mountains and completing the whirlwind maze, yes? then you wake up in custody with meteor hanging high in the sky, and are sentenced to execution by gas chamber, but then Emerald (i think) WEAPON attacks and you get free because of it?

that period of the game? i remember a butt load of details of that game, but as time goes on, they get rearranged in my head :P

It is the Sapphire Weapon, but yes, that point of the game.

After Aeris dies, you chase after sephiroth, make it to icicle inn, go through the icefield place, climb the mountain, go through the whirlwind maze, and then wake up as Tifa in Shinra's custody. It is in this period that you find the item I am talking about.

[Kyros]

the key to get out of the gas chamber chair?

[leader of mortals]

the key to get out of the gas chamber chair?

No, you would find this before you are arrested

Oh, and I realize that I messed up the riddle(kill me later), this item is actually hidden next to a chest, not within one... Sorry:(

[Khimbar2775]

my ailing memory is trying to convince me there was also a materia you find around that point, like an HP up materia or MP turbo or somehting along those lines. like a purple or blue support materia....

the Curse Ring is available at Mideel at this point too right???? maybe thats the answer to your riddle! i remember its found in a bush, not a chest

[leader of mortals]

No,

Hint! this item can not be used...

[seiferalmasy2]

Great Glacier Map?

Not sure how you mean your hint :P

[Karifean]

black materia? :p

[leader of mortals]

black materia? :p

This is correct...

This item found on my way to arrest,
Will end all that I detest.
Hidden away, next to this chest,
I think that, surely, this must be the best!

It is found again before you are arrested...
It will end the world, including anything you might not like...
During a cutscene, you see Cloud place the black materia next to Sephiroth's chest;)
This is the only materia strong enough to end the world, so it must be the strongest...


So, Karifean, did you actually think that was it or were you just making a guess because it is so common?

[seiferalmasy2]

I was gonna go for black materia, but that chest clue was way too vague :D

[Karifean]

I thought black materia because of lines 1 2 and 4. I'll come up with a riddle tomorrow.

Edit:

Okay, here goes:

A weird color mix,
resulting unlogical
from almost half-beast
and mushroom colossal.

I bet it's far too easy, but it just came into my head.

[leader of mortals]

Hojo's experiment?

[Khimbar2775]

my thoughts include the Holo Experiment you fight inside the Shin-Ra building, or the Unknown creature you fight in the Shin-Ra mansion when opening the safe. the mushroom part throws me off though

[seiferalmasy2]

jenova

[Karifean]

none of those

[MaSSaCreViTaLiTy]

I think the mushroom colossal could stand for a huge explosion of something idk

[Kyros]

super nova?

[Karifean]

nope, not super nova.

Hint: The colossal mushroom does not refer to an explosion.

[Khimbar2775]

ok, possibly a stretch, merely because im filling in old blanks: the sword that cloud gets from completing the lost forest/forbidden forest (accessible when Ultima WEAPON gets destroyed over cosmo canyon, or by chocobo, i believe...) that has three single slots that give triple AP. that has a weird color... maybe there were mushrooms in in the puzzles before hand?

[Kyros]

^ apocalypse

my guess is bad breath since malboros look like giant tentaclly-ish mushrooms?

[Karifean]

None of the above.

Repost:

A weird color mix,
resulting unlogical
from almost half-beast
and mushroom colossal.

Hint: Not the colors themselves are weird, but the result of them mixing.

[Melissaur]

does it have to do when Holy "attacks" Meteor?

[Karifean]

no

[Khimbar2775]

the mako injected soldiers from the nibelheim reactor? theyre funky looking :P

[Melissaur]

O_O OMG such a good guess. Good thinking!

[Karifean]

nope. i have to admit, the third line is vague. maybe you should ignore it for a while^^

[Mercen-X]

gold chocobo... admittedly, I don't what how half-beast and mushrooms play in.

edit: well, anyway, it seems to be a mix of the half-beast and mushroom...

[Inferno]

Gold Saucer

[Karifean]

you're on the right track! keep going. and yes, the mushroom refers to gold saucer.

[HOOTERS]

Is it the Mog House game? The tree house has a big mushroom atop it (and kind of has a face), also Mog is white and when he mates with Mag who is pink, two of their babies are yellow. Something tells me Mag has been sleeping around.

[Karifean]

that was also a good step towards the answer, but no, it's not mog house.

[Khimbar2775]

dont the fireworks at the gold saucer make a huge phoenix during your late night ride on the gondola? or some other monstrous beast?

[Karifean]

not to my knowledge :D

[seiferalmasy2]

battle square...?

[Caboose]

Aurora Armlet from City of the ancients?

[Carl the Llama]

Cant believe no one has said the chocobo races, they have all sorts of different colours.

[Karifean]

yes, that's correct. the first two lines refer to chocobos. that's not the answer yet, though.

[seiferalmasy2]

A weird color mix, < Chocobo mating

resulting unlogical < Black chocobo or Gold (or generally a wrong colour outcome given which colours were mated)

from almost half-beast < possibly resulting from getting the dessert rose from Ruby?

and mushroom colossal. < you need to race chocobo's so you can properly mate them and gain a new chocobo

So all in all this is about mating.

[Karifean]

it is about chocobo mating, yes, but the answer is a certain part of that process. and cause you can hardly know without deciphering the third line (which is quite hard), I will say the answer in a few days if no one finds the answer and then seiferalmasy2 may post a new one^^

Edit: and it doesn't refer to Ruby Weapon or any weapon at all.

[Sword]

I'd say the goblins are "almost half-beast". You have to get Zeio nuts from them... Does this observation get us anywhere?

[Khimbar2775]

black chocobos fit nicely in the first bit.

you mate a blue and a green. how the fluff does blue and green make black????

and half beasts are the goblins from which you get zeio nuts, yes?

[seiferalmasy2]

I don't understand what the riddle is trying to point to? It seems to be a general statement, like mating, and each line has its own answer.

[Karifean]

I think it's time to tell the answer, it's just too hard to figure out^^

A weird color mix
resulting unlogical
from almost half-beast
and mushroom colossal

The first two lines are connected. Together, they point to the fact, that when you're mating two chocobos, mostly a completely unlogical color is the result. I mean yellow + yellow = green/blue, green + blue = black?
The fourth line refers to the gold saucer, or even the wonder square, as the gold saucer is a giant golden mushroom in the desert (and the squares are also shroom-shaped platforms?)
And the third line was actually referring to Vlakorados. Number of the beast is 666, half-beast is 333 and his HP are 33333. Follow me?

So the answer was Carob Nut, as the color mixes from it are unlogical and you can get it from both Vlakorados and Gold Saucer (no, chocobo racing was not included in the riddle^^).

seiferalmasy2, your turn.

[Rokk]

I thought black materia because of lines 1 2 and 4. I'll come up with a riddle tomorrow.

Edit:

Okay, here goes:

A weird color mix,
resulting unlogical
from almost half-beast
and mushroom colossal.

I bet it's far too easy, but it just came into my head.

Hard riddle. No that there's anything wrong with that, fair play to you. But by saying it's probably way too easy made me assume that it was pretty literal, and simplistic. Line 3 was way deeper than that and I didn't delve that far into it as I thought that'd be too challenging.

But apart from that it was a good riddle. ;)

[seiferalmasy2]

And the third line was actually referring to Vlakorados. Number of the beast is 666, half-beast is 333 and his HP are 33333. Follow me?
.

There is no way I would ever have got that :P

Anyway on with the riddle>

I am second,
First met by a fall,
I will see you soon, Cloud,
but using items is all.

Very easy :) I think

[Melissaur]

is it Aeris?

[seiferalmasy2]

is it Aeris?

Not tht easy though :D

[Melissaur]

Yeah I figured, I just wanted it out of the way ASAP! and i had no other good guess. Could it be Yuffie? After she steals all your materia you can't use anything but items and attack command. And you do see her shortly after she runs away.

[Khimbar2775]

yuffie sounds good. i first remember seeing her jsut before Junon in the forest nearby the river. there very well could be a set of water falls nearby. and the materia thing you bring up is also very good.

as a complete sidenote, the vlakorados is teh only creature (as far as im aware) that has a *weakness* to gravity magic. it can be killed with demi. try it out :D

[seiferalmasy2]

nope :)

I am second,
First met by a fall,
I will see you soon, Cloud,
but using items is all.

Really hope I haven't used this already?? come to think of it lmao

Please use the edit button to edit your first post instead of posting twice in a row. :mog: ~Levian

[Khimbar2775]

OOH! is it Don Corneos pets? the first one you meet in a sewer, adn teh second at Wutai, and because yuffie still has all your materia, you can use only items

[seiferalmasy2]

I am second, < don's second pet
First met by a fall, < The first "Apps" met after falling through Don's trapdoor
I will see you soon, Cloud,
but using items is all. < When you meet 2nd pet you have no materia

It is Rapps

Yup a very easy one, but fun and no cheating ;)

[Khimbar2775]

ooh man, i got butterflies trying to write this lol

here we go:

Alone in this wasteland, here I will stay
My guilt keeps me from going astray
A momento I give to you as a gift
As I now plummet off of this cliff.

lets see what happens...

[Melissaur]

Dyne? and you get a necklace or something to go up for the chocobo races after Barret fights him.

[seiferalmasy2]

Definately dyne ;)

[Khimbar2775]

you gots it! :D

from what i remember, Dyne give it to Barret as a gift to Marlene as a reminder of Dynes wife (i forget her name)

[Melissaur]

I know that you love me, and I know that you care
but what I have done is something I can't bare.
I made a big mistake, yes it's true, this I know,
is why I've banished myself to this darkness all alone.
Leave me to this place, where I need to stay,a crystal wall,
and if you see me again I will give you your final call.

Who am I?
I'm thinking it may be too easy but we'll see I guess. I'm a bit rusty.

[Rokk]

Seto?