There, made sure I could get that to count.
There, made sure I could get that to count.
Nyx, killing the doctor is on your head. I bet you sure were happy about that in your mafia forum.
In times like this we need to find something to regain solace. So here's an adorable baby hamster.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...busWelcome.JPG
##Vote: Apollo
Ride ze Apollo? All aboards the bandwagon!
Saving yourself despite being very weary of the guy that just died Day 2. You're also in cahoots with that Herpes guy, so I am disowning until you give a good reason why we should remain siblings. And no you can't play with my barbie dolls anymore either. :tongue:
What I don't understand is why we have two seemingly normal-ish deaths last night and then the previous night we get three deaths; one of which was two people tied together in some sad attempt at S&M. Kinky, but not really feeling it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
Artemis: I'm pretty sure that if one handcuffed person died then the other would die as well.
I thought it was easily explainable. Two townies dead with the same role; it was likely that one of them was killed which led to the other dying instantly. With so many accounts in play, I think we have two scum teams. (Yeah, what Artemis said.)
Very unfortunate that a Doctor is dead. All's not lost, though.
Went back to re-read the flavor and now that make sense. We have two killing factions like Nyx said.
I mean, what Hygieia said, not Artemis. About the handcuffing.
I like cleaning scum. Lets have some fun.Paragraph 1. Your part was the source for the entire bandwagon, it was you who put the marker on her. Then you suck up to the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
Paragraph 2. More sucking up to the town. I hope we kill scum as well. Either you or your partner Apollo.
Paragraph 3. Thats how you always find scum. With or without special voting rules.
All Nyx has done here is suck up a bit, which is a scum tactic to make themselves look more townish, and explain how the game is played in a subtle manner. Watch this god, she is trouble.
Also lets put some pressure on Apollo shall we?
## Unvote: Apollo
## Vote: Apollo
Artemis I would greatly appreciate it if you keep your vote on Apollo. This will force another vote for him as well.
Don't think that works. If Apollo already has a vote and a bandwagon vote, we're not forced to bandwagon onto him again, I don't think. Going back, typing up votecounts.
You are right, how silly of me.
##Unvote: Apollo
##Vote: Nyx
That will force a vote on Nyx though.
Helios is correct. You are bandwagoning Artemis's vote, so the next person can still vote for who they choose.
EDIT: Unfortunately, your unvote and revote counted, so now someone else must vote for you to be able to unvote again. (mindsmurfed yet?)
Oops... I blame Apollo for this :p
Are you just making this up as you go along?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Eros
[QUOTE=Del Murder;2901911
EDIT: Unfortunately, your unvote and revote counted, so now someone else must vote for you to be able to unvote again. (mindsmurfed yet?)[/QUOTE]
wtf
:redface:
Are you just making this up as you go along?
-_-
Day 0 Final Votecount
Medusa - 4: Hygieia, Eilithyia, Apollo, Hemera
Eros - 2: Hestia, Athena
Hemera - 2: Poseidon, Hera
Nyx - 2: Persephone, (self-vote)
Aphrodite - 2: Hermes, (self-vote)
Hera - 2: Hebe, Hephaestus
Hephaestus - 1: Eros
Persephone - 1: Helios
Apollo - 1: Medusa
Helios - 1: Demeter
Eilithyia - 1: Tyche
Hermes - 1: Asclepius
Asclepius - 1: Dionysus
Day 1 Final Votecount
Hephaestus (4) - Asclepius, Persephone, Hestia, (self-vote)
Hades (3) - Hera, Hermes, Apollo
Apollo (2) - Artemis, Hemera
Tyche (2) - Helios, Nyx
Hestia (2) - Poseidon, Hebe
Poseidon (2) - Cerberus, Hygieia
Athena (2) - Aphrodite, (self-vote)
Hera (1) - Dionysus
Nyx (1) - Tyche
Hermes (1) - Hades
Day 2 Final Votecount
Persephone (7) - Helios, Nyx, Aphrodite, Tyche, Demeter, Hebe, Apollo
Apollo (6) - Hygieia, Hades, Persephone, Hestia, Hera
Hestia (1) - Poseidon
Eilithyia (2) - Asclepius, (self-vote)
Hermes (1) - Artemis
Artemis (1) - Hermes
Haha, and the vote against Nyx was my next move anyway. How awesome!
Bandwagon on Nyx. ##Vote: Nyx
WUT. Del, I think we need some clarification because I'm confused now, too. I want to vote for Nyx right now but am I forced to?
Why would you want to lynch Nyx? Just because she voted for Persephone? I don't really have a read on her, has she done anything, really?
I don't think you are, because my vote on Nyx did not count.
The next person to vote will be forced to vote Nyx though.
She created the argument that was used for the lynch. I already explained how it was faulty logic. I'll grab the quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hebe
I reread the bandwagon rules...
So, Hygieia unvoting was legal and then she voted for Apollo again, forcing someone else to vote for Apollo, right?Quote:
Each vote made today must be a 'bandwagon' vote, that is, a vote made for the same player as the previous vote, unless that previous vote was itself a bandwagon vote. Also, you cannot unvote until another person has voted after you.
Also, I'm going to bed. Feel free to ask me :bou::bou::bou::bou:, or explain stuff to me, I'll look at it in the morning.
Alright, so you're unvoting Apollo and voting Nyx? Just making sure because I think it makes a difference with the rules.
Here is is
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Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Nope, because it matched the previous vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
Basically the rule is you can only vote for someone of your choice if the last 2 votes were for the same person. Also you must wait for someone to vote before you can unvote.
Hmm, I was caught in that too... I thought of all the possibilities we would have if Persephone would have turned mafia and I guess it kinda blinded me, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] HygieiaHere is is
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Also, to clear up any confusion...
Person 1 votes for person A
Person 2 must then vote for person A
Person 3 can vote for anyone. If they vote for person A, person 4 can vote for anyone. If they vote for Person B, or whatever, Person 4 must then vote for the same person as Person 3.
Now to bed.
And this is still not answering the question of unvoting, then revoting. Technically, that's following the rules. You can unvote then vote for the same person, forcing the next vote to match yours. Again.
If I understand it correctly, Person 4 must also vote for Person A since they're forced to follow the last legitimate vote.
We need answers. I will not me mindsmurfed!
If I had done that and voted for Nyx then that would have been fine and forced a vote on Nyx.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
But since the vote before mine was also on Apollo it did not lock the next vote to be for Apollo.
I'll say it again. If the two most recent votes are for the same person you can vote for anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
If they are for different people you must copy the previous vote.
You can not unvote if you have the most recent vote. (This rule is why my vote on Nyx doesn't count)
The next vote must be on Nyx
To keep it easier we can keep a running list.
When you vote please add the name of the person you are voting for to the end.
Apollo
Apollo
Nyx
What in the bloody mother smurfer. You're saying your vote on Nyx doesn't count, then saying that the next vote must be for Nyx. Makes no sense.
Here's what happened:
Hygieia votes Apollo.
Artemis votes Apollo. Voting is fair game now.
Hygieia unvotes. Then revotes Apollo. Which is totally legal.
You can't unvote now and the next vote must be for Apollo.
Also... Red Apple might not of being able to get on yet.
My vote on Nyx does not count. Yours does though.
Red Apple?
My vote on Apollo matches the previous (Artemis's), So the next vote can be for anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
My vote for Nyx doesn't count because I'd be forced to vote for Apollo now.
Hygieia votes Apollo.Quote:
Each vote made today must be... a vote made for the same player as the previous vote, unless that previous vote was itself a bandwagon vote. Also, you cannot unvote until another person has voted after you.
Artemis votes Apollo.
Hygieia unvotes Apollo.
Hygieia votes Apollo.
All of that follows the rules. My vote for Nyx does not count since the next vote must be for Apollo.
Oh my, today is going to be a very confusing day. This game is already too mindsmurfed as it is already. I'm going to need more than just luck to make it through today. x_x
And so that I don't end up forgetting, looks like I have to vote, huh? Well, I guess Nyx it is!
Apollo
Apollo
Nyx
##Vote: Nyx
I propose we keep this list to include the last four votes casted, so the total would be 5 votes, which includes the poster's vote, or would this confuse everyone even further?
Apollo
Nyx
Nyx
##Vote: [M] Nyx
Looking back, Nyx made a fairly persuasive case for Persephone on very little evidence. You could say it was my fault for buying it, but I'm too pretty to be accountable for my actions. So, now I'm bitter (and bitterness is one of my sexiest traits!)
No it did not have to be for Apollo because my vote and Artemis's vote are for the same person.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
I then tried to correct my mistake and unvote but because I was the last person to vote it did not count.
Then you voted for Nyx which forces the next vote to also be foe Nyx
Also...
Nyx
Nyx
Nyx
Apollo
Also ##Unvote: Apollo
##Vote: Apollo
Next vote must be for apollo
Forgot to bold the unvote and vote in my previous post. oops.
Ahahahaha I'm so confused and this is going to get retarded if we're all messed up and none of these votes count.
Hygieia, I think I understand what you're saying. You're saying that if your vote matches the last vote, then it's still considered a "bandwagon"? Say, with you and Artemis voting for Apollo, if I'd have voted for Apollo, then the next person could vote for anyone since I would've matched the last person's vote?
I take the rules to say that if Person A votes, then Person B is forced to match that vote. After Person B votes, voting is fair game.
Votecount is currently as follows
Nyx (3) - Helios, Tyche, Aphrodite
Apollo (2) - Artemis, Hygieia
Yep. and if person C votes for the same person as person A and person B then voting is still fair game. It's when there is a change that the next vote is forced.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
I understand now. The rules are dependant on Del's definition of bandwagon, though. I can see how it could be interpreted both ways.
So let's see if this is correct. If the last two votes were the same, the next vote can be for any. If the last two are not the same, then the next vote has to match the last vote.
I think you're correct, Hygieia.
(Are you open to celebratory love-making? I know you're the goddess of cleanliness but that doesn't mean you have to be a prude!)
Yeah, I think that's the consensus view.
Wait, Hygieia. Wouldn't your unvote have disrupted the whole chain-voting thing? That's what got this mess started in the first place. There were 2 votes on Apollo, then you unvoted. Voting is fair game. You voted for Apollo again but it wasn't to bandwagon on Artemis' vote, it was a legitimate vote by itself. Wouldn't the next vote need to be for Apollo, also?
Jesus Christ, Del. :mad2:
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Tyche
Two questions for Helios though. 1 is what was with that mention of Red Apple?
Also are you a shared account? Because at first you seem to have understood the way voting works then all of a sudden you got confused about it.
Only if you bathe and wash your hands regularly. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Aphrodite
No, because it still matches Artemis's vote. So voting still is fair game. In the person A/B/C scenario you posted I just filled the roles of A and C.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
You are mindsmurfed and Del is enjoying it.
The Red Apple thing was an allusion to the last Mafia game. I was making fun of the mindsmurfery that's happening right now. Probably should've put it in OOC tags or something. xD
No, I'm not a shared account. I thought I understood at first; now I'm confused because of the effect of your unvoting.
Hmm, okay. I'm on the same page now, hopefully. :erm:
As long as my vote for Nyx counts, I'm happy!
I can't wait to see Apollo and Nyx tear each other apart.
I gave justification for my vote, and I felt it was good enough justification this early in the game. It was the best I had.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
However, don't you think it's a bit rich placing the entire blame on me? I wasn't the five votes after me, not including the votes by Hermes, Asclepius and Hestia that were removed at a later stage.
I acknowledge my vote contributed to the death of Persephone, and my justification might have influenced the votes of others, but I won't take responsibility for setting up a bandwagon. I didn't tell them to vote that way, I just offered my own reason for voting.
Besides, Helios was happy enough to claim credit for all the votes anyway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
Way to shirk responsibility for your own actions. :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Aphrodite
Hey, who's shirking? And what responsibility? Yep I voted for Persephone first! My reason was that I had already picked her on a previous day and that she had voted for a dead townsperson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyx
I'm actually on the fence between Nyx and Tyche. Those are my gut instincts right now. I voted for Nyx over Tyche because of her push for Persephone's lynch.
I usually don't say this but let's not forget about inactives. Look at Eros! People that don't vote could use the excuse that they just wanted to vote for themselves, not knowing who they should really vote for. Self-voting is hardly scum-like... or is it? If you're not talking, speak up!
Gotsa go again! I want more people to make cases against me so that if I die, we'll have a better idea of who's legit and who's full of it. :)
Eros was eliminated by a mindsmurfin' Harpy.
I, too, am questioning my decision to vote Nyx..
Helios, I wasn't saying you were shirking your responsibility. I was just mentioning that you had wanted the credit earlier on. You can take it all now if you want :p
I don't see where you guys are getting my 'push' from. My vote doesn't really suggest everyone lynch Persephone.
The next time I mentioned, or even alluded to Persephone was actually in a post about Helios.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
The next time I discussed Persephone was trying to make sure Tyche had an actual reason for voting Persephone. If anything, I was allaying that vote. Or maybe you see it differently.
I can't see the push however.
To clarify the sentence 'my vote doesn't really suggest everyone lynch Persephone.'
Obviously a vote for someone says you think they should be lynched, but I was in no way suggesting everyone should jump on and crusade for her immediate death. Just in case anyone took that incorrectly. I don't want to be arguing over semantics when we can argue over things of substance.
Actually, perhaps the sentence in my vote post about 'Persephone saving Hades' was what you were all talking about. If so, I can probably see your reasoning there.
Hey, hey! Is it too late to join the biker gang? :jess:
http://www.248am.com/images/ducati1098.jpg
Oh... :bou::bou::bou::bou:. Things are really heating up it seems. :|
Death of my daughter and the doctor in one go, oh joy :(
I was hoping she'd eventually explain herself in some way, but I guess not... At least the night resulted in the removal of some scum I guess.
On that note, I hadn't really noticed Eros' lack of posting due to the large numbers of people. I dislike calling people mafia if they don't post often, as I understand that many people have time restrictions upon them, and some miss out on heavy conversation due to unfortunate time zones, but when someone is heavily absent you need to start questioning why they haven't been replaced, or nudged back into action...
I did a short search and found that both Eilithyia and Dionysus posted day 0, but have never actually posted anything since...
Should this concern us at all? If they are actually being inactive, Del should pick up on it soon, but if he doesn't, they could be hiding, and that worries me.
Everyone, let me start today by announcing the end of the Devils of Olympus. I want to say I am sorry, I am so, so sorry for what I did yesterday. I was out of line. My ego got the better of me, and I thought I could make it on my own. I was wrong.
I've learned now that the true meaning of Mafia is always be yourself. And to trust in the bonds you share with your friends. I'm the worst townsperson in the world, and the last thing I deserve is forgiveness, but with a little help from Jesus and our fighting men and women overseas, I think I can become The Most Helpful and Friendly Guy in Town and start to repair some of the damage I have caused. Thank you. :)
To help the town, I will attempt to find the mafia that have been causing it a little bit of trouble.Firstly, Poseidon, let me thank you for your kind words about the sig. You're pretty great yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Poseidon
Anyway, this is the most mafiaish post in this game. I am surprised nobody has pointed it out! Let's review!
- Poseidon plays it both ways. If the town turns on me, bam, he can easily join in. If not, no worries, I could just be town. Notice how he never expressively states his view one way or the other. Incidentally, Poseidon, those are some really super theories. Unfortunately you're way off the mark :( But keep trying! I am sure you will figure out my role soon! :)
Hermes's Friendly Mafia Tips
The mafia view the town as black and white. They know who their enemies are. The town, meanwhile, don't have a clue. Thus to appear to be town, the mafia over-exaggerate their view on townsfolk. Everything is very, very grey if you were to listen to the mafia!
- Notice how Poseidon is not to blame for things. He could be wrong about me, but that's ok, he's a new player. Hestia isn't the most suspicious to him, but that's ok, he's got to go so he'll make a safe vote for her.
In my opinion, Poseidon is a member of the mafia. I will vote for him because of this.
##vote: Poseidon
Alright mothersmurfers. Hestia's back.
Few things; the rules of this day are confusing, but not overly so. There must be two votes in a row for the same person, BEFORE a new person can be voted for. We need to be careful because a vote for someone who is 2 below the minimum for lynching, actually causes that person to be lynched. However, please stop focusing on this new role. To be put into simple words, its a trap to lure us away from finding scum.
Next. Nyx used the same faulty logic Apollo did about someone "saving" Hades and thus being guilty, however her argument was more persuasive at the time which is why the bandwagon started.
I was suspicious of Persephone because of her lack of involvement. Once she started talking, I tried to keep her alive.
Persephone's death was a bad one, however, Nyx is being scapegoated. Nyx is being used to make us forget, that we almost lynched Apollo yesterday, and that for all of Apollo's tricks of being a bomb (very lame way to try and claim it). He didn't take the lynch. He saved himself.
##vote: Apollo
Hermes brings up good points, this is why we don't lynch people because they're being slightly annoying. :)
Those are some really marvellous thoughts about Apollo, Hestia. Good job!
Do you think he could perhaps really could be a bomb? I say this because of Eros's role, which was Mafia Hurt Locker. The Hurt Locker, of course, being a movie about bomb disposal, so perhaps the two are linked. If Apollo is not actually a bomb, somebody else may very well be. Please tell me what you think!
Assuming Apollo is mafia he has knowledge of Eros's role, as you've said, mafia have black and white knowledge of this game. Therefore, Apollo would know there must be a bomb in this game.
Hermes, your vote won't count because of the bandwagon effect in place.
EDIT: Making a bomb roleclaim easy, convenient, and now that Eros died, "comfirmable".
I think Hestia's on the right track there. If there is a bomb, or a bomb-esque role (as Eros's role suggests), then Apollo with his "tick tick" in earlier posts is probably the prime suspect.
Hermes that vote on Posiedon will not count unfortunately, because the next vote must be on Apollo. You do raise a very good case against him, and to be honest he is another on my list of scum suspects. I just don't want to go after too many at once because then votes against them are too spread out and they can have an easier time throwing a townie in the line of fire at the last minute.
Nyx is trying to worm her way out of suspicion. The reason why I blame her for lynching Persephone is that nobody seriously was giving a thought about her until after she made the Persephone saved Hades post.
Why make a case against somebody and vote to lynch them if you don't want to? (Other than the forced bandwagons today of course) Watch out everyone, because Nyx is going to try everything to get an innocent townie to take the fall for her.
Alright now if Hermes votes Posieden it will be a good vote.
Recent vote history is
Nyx
Apollo
Apollo
Actually I missed/misread that post of Hestia's about the possibility Apollo is mafia. That could be true too. I'm not sure if I'd be willing to take a gamble and be the last vote on him though, if he is the bomb.
All candidates should always be considered. Even in a day like this, we should try to get everyone's votes where they want them. To nail it down to two or three suspects because we "have to" is to blind us from the mafia. :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Then it's our fault for listening to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
This point is already addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Nyx cannot be placed for sole blame for yesterday. Especially not when I see many mafia candidates having voted for our doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyx
Why do you vote for people? Because you think they're scummy, right? Same reason I voted for Persephone.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
I didn't 'make a case' against Persephone, I merely gave my justification. I still find it rich that you give me sole blame when there are six other people who contributed to her death. But no, don't blame them. They were swayed by my oh-so-compelling evidence. I don't know why you're gunning for me in particular, but it doesn't well with me.
##unvote
##vote Poseidon
Thanks, friends! I was confused about the voting system and thought that the bandwagon effect had been cancelled out. I am glad you've got my back. :)
No more biker gang? :( Can I still keep my bike? It's so quick.
And the bandwagon effect is in play again, correct? I'm confused. :confused:
Laaaaaame! I just spent a fortune on that Ducati and now you say the gang is done!?
Anyways, what alignment is the bomb role? Can it be either or? I would assume that in this case it would be town aligned because of Eros' role as a mafia member. Why would mafia need a 'hurtlocker' if the bomb was mafia as well? For now I'm going to operate under the assumption that Apollo is town and, if he actually is a bomb, is just kind of a booby trap for mafia. I could be totally wrong in that though, I'm not a very seasoned Mafia player.
Also, Hygieia, you're acting really strange. Your megapush for Nyx and Apollo is kind of unnerving to me.
And Hermes what's with your change in attitude? Blink twice if you've been replaced with a pod person.
Whoops sorry about that. Didn't realize I'd posted the my first thoughts.
I haven't got anything useful to add to the discussion, so I'm going to hit the hay. Take care all.
Here's my issue with the possibility of Apollo being a bomb. Why has he been so eager to give hints of his role?
A bomb is a sneaky role, meant to make last minute mafia bandwagons backfire. Literally. However, when it is revealed that you are a bomb, no sane mafioso is going to vote for you. A real bomb should never want to drop so many hints.
Apollo is 100% without a doubt a bomb of some sort. Whether he is a Dud, a mafia aligned bomb, or a Terrorist, I can not say.
I am a Bomb Detector. Each night I can check someone for bomb parts. Obviously after Day 2's shenanigans I investigated Apollo. Please everyone pay careful attention to the vote count. We've had mafia bombs in the past and Apollo is certainly suspicious, so if we do decide to lynch him, please take caution.
(Aphrodite was my Night 1 investigation, if anyone was curious.)
Well, I still don't think Nyx should get all the blame for Persephone. She made a mistake, and that's not really enough to lynch her. I still would like to see Apollo lynched, and I don't know what to think about Poseidon. He is being extremely wishy-washy and seems to be trying to please everyone, as Hermes said, but for some reason I don't want to lynch him. He doesn't seem as good of a lynch to me as Apollo does.
But I'll bandwagon
##vote: Poseidon
And the results?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hera
Just a little FYI: The mafia all probably knew he was a bomb. If he was a town bomb, he had no real reason to lie about it, if he was a mafia bomb, well, he's on their team and they knew already. Keep this in mind when examining yesterday's actions.
Negatory on the Aphrodite.
Votecount
I will put a (b) next to a person's name if the vote counted as a bandwagon or not.
Apollo (4) -Hygieia, Artemis(b),Hygieia(b), Hygieia, Hestia(b), (self-vote)
Nyx (4) - Helios, Tyche(b), Aphrodite(b), (self-vote)
Poseidon (3) - Hermes, Hebe(b), (self-vote)
Not voting: Apollo, Ares, Demeter, Dionysus, Eilithyia, Hades, Hemera, Hera, Nyx, Poseidon
Hebe's vote was a bandwagon so the next vote can be for anyone. You guys seem to have this figured out by now. Hygieia was pretty much 100% correct in everything she said about it.
Day 3 ends in about 14 hours.
Oh my, is that a legit role-claim I am sensing? If so, I think it should be fair to say that I do possibly believe you about what you have claimed so far about Apollo. His actions do seem to indicate that he might be a bomb, especially with his "tick tock" remarks. Perhaps he's trying to pull a Demon Dude on us, but if your role-claim is true, then we should best proceed with caution concerning Apollo!
Oh Hera, you have done a terrific job of detecting Apollo!
Of course, one must then speculate, with a Bomb Detector and a Hurt Locker, that there is more than one bomb.
I would also speculate that if the Bomb Detector detects a bomb, the Hurt Locker's role would be to defuse a bomb, or perhaps to vote for/kill said bomb without feeling the effects. Thus we can logically conclude that there is a non-mafia bomb.
...is that what a Hurt Locker is?
*googles*
Okay that makes sense now.
Theory. With two people dying each night, there must be a second killing role. Two roles dealing with bombs seems like overkill if we only have one or two normal bombs.
However, Apollo being a Serial-Killer with bomb flavor (terrorist? :lol:) could explain all of this. Perhaps it's some setup where Hera was suppose to find the terrorist. This also explains the addition of the Hurt Locker. Something for the mafia to combat the Serial-Bomber with.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mafiascum Wiki
Oh smurf. Well then. Um... smurf. Well this is mindsmurf so there is no guarantee that the roles are going to be copy and paste from mafiascum, but I guess that furthers my point that having a bomb doesn't necessarily make him a bomb!
I don't think there would be a serial bomber. The idea behind the bomb role is that you have to sacrifice yourself to use your power. Making a bomb role that didn't do that would sort of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it :confused:
I feel this discussion about bombers and whatnot has gone down a dead end. It has been very fruitful, and kudos to all involved in it, you've really helped!
Now, I think we could turn our attention to something else.
Hermes's Friendly Mafia Tips
You can't focus on one person and say "Done for the day!" - after all, with just one bad guy down, there's bound to be more lurking out there!
Helios and Nyx - the mirrors
Helios and Nyx have been taking shots at each other today. But their similarities are perhaps more intriguing than their differences.
On Day One, Helios and Nyx were the only people to vote for Tyche.
On Day Two, Helios and Nyx were the first two people to vote for Persephone.
Take a look at their posts today.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
All is clearly not as it seems between these two!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
BITESIZE
- Aphrodite has a gimmick to do with people loving her and vanity. It's likely not a posting restriction, as she started on Day 0, before we knew our roles
- Artemis - possible lyncher on me?
- Hades has faded away after being rather prominent early on. Worth observing
- Soon it will be crunch time for our trio of inactives.
I'm THE WORLD'S MOST BORED GUY.
Yes, that is now officially my role in this game! My ability is to try to get some people to post. I will ask some very key questions.
- Where are you all hiding?
- Why didn't Persephone just claim and save herself?
- Was Hades actually a communist?
- Goldenboko: Is it wrong to look at photos of him and feel slightly aroused?
- What if Apollo is a Mafia Bomb, right, and Hera is actually mafia. Think about it. How would we know?
- Tell me why are we so blind to see that the ones we hurt are you and me?
- Tyche: What's up with that guy? Seriously.
- The Beatles or Queen?
- Who's been making all these kills?! Vigilante? Serial Killer? Second Scum Faction? Inventor? Paranoid Gun Owner? (the last two are unlikely, what with there being multiple excess deaths and mostly vanilla town being iced, but whatever, throwing them out there)
in summary
please post my wonderful friends, I feel lost and alone without you. :(
(and the game is less fun)
I am hiding behind the fourth wall
Persephone probably thought it would be worse for her if she claimed, and she gave up
Err, sure
I hope not :smug:
I thought of this for a second as well...
That sounds like something from I want it that way :o
Idk, I don't have a read on him... unless he's a cylon
Queen, easily :colbert:
A second scum faction would be more of a mindsmurf, I think, but what if the mindsmurf of this mafia game is just us thinking it's a mindsmurf, and it's actually a fairly simple setup, so we overthink it and get mindsmurfed!? Nah, probably not... It can't be a paranoid gun owner, though, because night 1 people with no night action died.
Second bullet: Well it'd be pretty pointless. For every person that says "hey wait a minute" there are two that go ROLECLAIM VOTE VOTE. Even if she should survive the day she'd be the mafia's #1 target.
Fifth bullet: You wouldn't! Really there are endless possibilities. We could both be mafia. He could be town and I could be mafia (as I stated before, the mafia would believe his bomb claim no matter his alignment). Even if I were to uncover another bomb and that person were to die, proving they are a town bomb, you could always say I was a Mafia Cop. Everyone will just have to decide for themselves whether or not my behavior is scummy, because there's no real proof unless I die.
Last Bullet: I'll guess Vigilante or Serial Killer. I suppose with this many people a second mafia faction isn't such a crazy idea, but it's less common.
As far as this bomb business goes, would the Hurt Locker's action go through even in death? If she was a bomb defuser, there might not be any danger.
Anywho I'm voting Helios.
##Vote: Helios
Ok, my mind is officially smurfed. I'm trying to catch up now, and I'll try to have a longer post a little later tonight.
Quick thoughts:
1. I have stated my suspicions about Hestia and, to a lesser extent, Apollo for a while now. But yesterday showed me that they both can't be mafia. Hestia's original vote for Apollo doesn't mean much, but her later leaving Persephone (who was town) to Apollo in a close game is pretty conclusive that those two, at least, are not working together. Though I guess it is possible that they are part of two separate factions, if there are two separate factions, that seems less likely.
2. Re: Nyx and Helios, there are some good points above. If anything I think Helios's posts would be more suspicious since he seemed to just jump on to Nyx's posts.
I think the next vote has to be a bandwagon, so I guess I'll leave that for now. If I had to vote for real now, I think lynching Apollo tonight would be most informative.
##Vote: Helios (bandwagon)
Oh crap, Apollo's a bomb? Demondude would be so proud. But I guess that mucks up my recommendation.
I can't speak for my Day 0 or Day 1 actions -- I only took control of this account on Day 2. Also, those are pretty generic things to say come the start of a new day, and with having consistent double night kills. Just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hermes
Can you also elaborate on what you meant about the Hera-Apollo theory? It might be that I just woke up, but I don't follow. Wait nope I think I have it now. Hera isn't a bomb detector, but would seem legit if Apollo flipped mafia bomb, right? Lightbulb moment if ever there was one.
This is a possibility I have considered many times. It's no less of a mindsmurf in of itself than the game is. As Del Zeus said, don't overthink it, just relax and have fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hebe
Okay class time. I'll be back during my break unless I decide to work on my essays.
Hestia's back, now with 347% more quotes.
I looked back through Hygieia's posts and literally everything said was deadset on keeping us looking at Nyx and Apollo.
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Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
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Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
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Originally Posted by [M] HygieiaI like cleaning scum. Lets have some fun.Paragraph 1. Your part was the source for the entire bandwagon, it was you who put the marker on her. Then you suck up to the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
Paragraph 2. More sucking up to the town. I hope we kill scum as well. Either you or your partner Apollo.
Paragraph 3. Thats how you always find scum. With or without special voting rules.
All Nyx has done here is suck up a bit, which is a scum tactic to make themselves look more townish, and explain how the game is played in a subtle manner. Watch this god, she is trouble.
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Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Above highlighted stuff is stuff that didn't sit right with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Demeter raises a good point, inactives must start acting, however, I'd like to hear more from you Demeter!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Demeter
I'm back for some more fun. Oh Hestia has questions for me. I'm happy to answer them.
First quote. Yes I do think that going after three people at the same time is a bad idea. Say I create arguments against 3 possible mafia members, and each person gets three votes on them. The scum create their own argument on a fourth member. In a situation like this, getting a couple townies to vote for the scapegoat is easier. Now instead of three members with 3 votes each, two with 5 votes each. To save themselves the mafia have a much harder job as more people votes on the scapegoat are needed to save themselves. Does this make sense. (The scenario is idealized a bit, but it conveys the meaning of my strategy)
Quote 2. I was hoping Nyx would try and attack Apollo or Apollo would attack Nyx. Because in case you didn't notice I've been working on using the unique vote style of the day to keep these two as the two with the most votes.
Quote 3. I find Nyx suspicious. So I encourage people to keep an eye on her.
Quote 4. I tried to bait a reaction from someone. It's Hyperbole. In truth I would feel the same about her if Persephone was Vanilla Town or even a Serial Killer. Persephone was not mafia. A mafia member would know that, and for mafia members any lynch on people who are not them is good.
Quote 5. I can't hold suspicion on Apollo from day 2? I wanted to make sure I got the first vote so I would not be forced to bandwagon another.
Quote 5 was an accident disregard that xD
Also I agree with Hermes that this day is not nearly as fun. Therefore, I shall roleclaim. I stand among all the gods... as the Monster Hunter with a fondness for making a very loud battle cry. I call to battle against monster threats as they appear. And there is one now, so my role must take effect!
VILE BEAST, MARK MY WORDS. RELEASE FROM THE CONFINES OF YOUR SAVAGE LABYRINTH THE ONE WHOM YOU HAVE STOLEN, OR I SHALL DELIVER UNTO THEE A FATE OF HORRORS INCLUDING...
- Raistlin bikini picture, the animated GIF.
- penetration by Loony BoB.
- Pictures of food prepared by Miriel that you are forbidden to eat.
##VOTE: THE MINOTAUR
##SLAY: THE MINOTAUR
##ANNIHILATE: THE MINOTAUR
COME ON FELLOW TOWNSPEOPLE, WE MUST RID THE WORLD OF THE SAVAGE EVIL THAT IS THE MINOTAUR.
What's up everybody? Bandwagon voting sounds fun:p So
##Vote: Hestia
Are you still hung up on me? I mean, I knew I was sexy but still.
Despite my crazy tick tock antics from yesterday given that you & Hygieia still want me lynched I figure since I'm not scum you too must be. Lets just hope I get to take one of the 2 of you with me to the underworld;)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
##teabag the Minotaur
when he respawns, he'll be wicked pissed at you, Hygieia.
I don't want to lynch you, I've just yet to decide who to switch my vote on. Your logic puzzles me though, if I was mafia, I'd know you aren't mafia, making your bomb claim reinforced as town would have no reason to claim bomb other than being bomb. Do you really believe mafia would vote for a bomb?
Anyway, now I can't vote for who I wanted to, I was going to switch to Poseidon. Oh well,
##unvote: Apollo
##vote: Hestia
##unvote: HestiaQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
##Vote: Poseidon
Lets play ball then;)
Oh Apollo, you silly goose. At least I can make my vote.
##unvote: Hestia
##Vote: Poseidon
##unvote: Poseidon
##Vote: Poseidon
Silly as a fox :bigsmile:
Votecount
I will put a (b) next to a person's name if the vote counted as a bandwagon or not.
Poseidon (4) - Hermes, Hebe(b),Apollo, Hestia(b), Apollo(b)
Nyx (4) - Helios, Tyche(b), Aphrodite(b), (self-vote)
Apollo (2) -Hygieia, Artemis(b),Hygieia(b), Hygieia,Hestia(b)
Helios (2) - Hera, Poseidon(b)
Hestia (0) -Apollo,Hestia(b)
Not voting: Ares, Demeter, Dionysus, Eilithyia, Hades, Hemera, Nyx
Day 3 ends in about 6 hours.
...the smurf?
Del Murder, can he do that? xD
He can, but now the next person can vote for anyone
And Apollo can not unvote until someone else votes
Yeah, someone already did that. Doesn't really do anything though, since that vote is still a bandwagon on your vote. Next vote can be for anyone.
I've only got about 2 hours left to play pn here today so lets hope so:pQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
Guess this fox got out foxed XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
OH Okay. For a second I thought the next person HAD to vote Poseidon xD
Of course you think your scum buddy would bring up good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
@Artemis Couldn't agree more!
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Originally Posted by [M] Hera
1. My stomach hates meQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hermes
2. Sir Lancelot
3. Yes and a child molester
4. Yes :redface:
5. Quantum Physics
6. Herpes
7. Syphilis
8. Bohemian Rhapsody
9. Vigilante, Serial Killer, or Paranoid Gun Owner because we did start with 25 people, but I doubt a second mafia faction
10. There is no 10
[QUOTE='[M] Artemis;2902231']Wow, interesting. I wonder why we have so many roles that do with bombs if there is apparently only one bomb.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hera
Uhh maybe there isn't just one bomb?
Never said I wanted the credit for Persephone's lynch. I just said I was the first to vote for her. Actually, it's sort of the opposite of wanting the credit; it's a way of saying I was in no way part of a bandwagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
Inactives suck. I said that, too! Will you people come out and play?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Demeter
If Poseidon's post was the worst post ever, then this is the best one. I give Hermes mad props for his reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hermes
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Originally Posted by [M] ArtemisOf course you think your scum buddy would bring up good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
See, the thing is that Hermes makes a lot of sense. Sounds pretty logical. Apollo and Artemis, you guys are just saying people are scum and... nothing else!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Apollo
Another just like me? Wouldn't that be fun :bigsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hera
Sweet Zombie Jesus. Okay. So first just some commentary on stuff that sticks out to me.
It does seem a little odd that Hygieia would go for the throat of Nyx, especially because Nyx was the first Persephone vote. Why note go for the clincher vote? Or the final vote? Going for the first seems a little odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] HygieiaShe created the argument that was used for the lynch. I already explained how it was faulty logic. I'll grab the quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hebe
Why Nyx, again? Just confused (or else confused myself, lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Tyche
Looking back, you've said and done very little of your own free thinking. Nyx's argument wasn't anymore especially persuasive, to me at least. I think Persephone made herself and easy mark when she gave up the ghost so quickly, so whatever scum existed, as well as easily swayed townies or other factions, latched on. Does this absolve Nyx? Not at all, could be the fall guy or the ring leader. Does it provide a little more legitimacy to her arguments? I think maybe it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Aphrodite
If you were allaying the vote for Persephone, why didn't you change your vote then? I'm suspicious of you, definitely. I can't figure you out. You're arguing here that you were actually trying to prevent Persephone's death through argument, but you could have done the exact same thing by simply unvoting. Why wouldn't you take a direct action that was possible instead of a roundabout action that probably wouldn't work? Odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NyxHelios, I wasn't saying you were shirking your responsibility. I was just mentioning that you had wanted the credit earlier on. You can take it all now if you want :p
I don't see where you guys are getting my 'push' from. My vote doesn't really suggest everyone lynch Persephone.
The next time I mentioned, or even alluded to Persephone was actually in a post about Helios.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
The next time I discussed Persephone was trying to make sure Tyche had an actual reason for voting Persephone. If anything, I was allaying that vote. Or maybe you see it differently.
I can't see the push however.
Nyx's argument was only persuasive if you believed I was a bad guy. If you believe I'm a badguy, why the hell wouldn't you lynch me? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to the people who latched on to Nyx's argument. It's pretty fallacious, if you ask me. Best way to learn about Hades is to kill Hades. I don't believe for a second the Persephone bandwagoners really believed killing her would reveal something about me. Do you guys know anything more about me now that she's dead? Nope. And we lost a doctor. Those Persephone bandwagoners are worth taking a look at.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
Again, I don't think you can throw sole responsibility at Nyx, though I agree she does engage in some serious double talk. Who are you protecting, though, that you want us to look only at her?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Bomb's are usually neutral and kill the person who kills them. So the scumbag who performs the kill shot gets bombed or the final lynch vote gets bombed ... that being said, I don't think Apollo is a bomb. I think he's trying to threaten bomb status to ensure that no one wants to kill him. That being said, if we ever get through this freaking annoying bandwagon stuff (I am still a little confused, yes) I willingly volunteer to be the lynch vote for him. If he's a bomb, I die and everyone keeps playing. If he's not, he's probably a scumbag. I still think he's a scumbag. That being said, I'm still not willing to vote, mostly because I want to be careful about the bandwagon thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hemera
Why should we believe this roleclaim? Hmm. As I said before, lynch him and let me be the final lynch vote (if we can pull that off as a town.) If he's a bomb and I die, your roleclaim is probably legitimate and you're an asset to the town. If Apollo is scum, you've protected him in a weird way and are probably scum too.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hera
The more I think on it, the more this roleclaim bugs me. Because not only did YOU tell the TOWN that Apollo is a bomb, you also reveal it to the mafia. Now they won't touch him to keep the members of the faction safe. This bothers me. Argh. This is why I don't like roleclaims. Tell me how you feel about letting me be the final vote for the lynch.
lol flavor. Apollo might be a bomb. That would explain the hurtlocker. Or he could be mafia and knew there was a hurtlocker, so he claimed bomb so he wouldn't be touched.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
Mindsmurf mindsmurf mindsmurf mindsmurf.
I haven't faded. I have lost my dog and my girlfriend, and I still had to go to work! But I do agree that we need to roust out our inactives and that Aphrodite is odd and gimmicky.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] HermesI feel this discussion about bombers and whatnot has gone down a dead end. It has been very fruitful, and kudos to all involved in it, you've really helped!
Now, I think we could turn our attention to something else.
Hermes's Friendly Mafia Tips
You can't focus on one person and say "Done for the day!" - after all, with just one bad guy down, there's bound to be more lurking out there!
Helios and Nyx - the mirrors
Helios and Nyx have been taking shots at each other today. But their similarities are perhaps more intriguing than their differences.
On Day One, Helios and Nyx were the only people to vote for Tyche.
On Day Two, Helios and Nyx were the first two people to vote for Persephone.
Take a look at their posts today.
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Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
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Originally Posted by [M] Helios
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Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
All is clearly not as it seems between these two!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Helios
BITESIZE
- Aphrodite has a gimmick to do with people loving her and vanity. It's likely not a posting restriction, as she started on Day 0, before we knew our roles
- Artemis - possible lyncher on me?
- Hades has faded away after being rather prominent early on. Worth observing
- Soon it will be crunch time for our trio of inactives.
Posting wall of text does not make someone not mafia my dear Helios. Hermes has actually spent a majority of his time making weird role claims and getting into arguments while accusing other people of distracting town when that's what he's doing.
I like your idea Hades! Anyone care to start the bandwagon? I do enjoy fireworks :bigsmile:
You're very insistent on claiming that you're a bomb, so spill the beans. What are the details of your role.
This is mindsmurf mafia, I'm the Bomb! What would be the fun in telling you anymore? :bigsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Artemis
Hades is willing to blow himself away to test my claim I say lets do it!
It took you that long to say that?
Yeah and if you want anymore than that I say call my bluff:p
As I said in a later post, the mafia most likely already know he's a bomb. Either he's on their team, or he isn't and has no reason to lie about being a bomb. I don't think he's that dumb. This also means that Apollo actually turning out to be a bomb confirms absolutely nothing as far as my claim goes. I'm not telling anyone not to vote for him, I just want the town to be aware of this so no power roles sacrifice themselves. Even if for some reason they don't believe his bomb claim, the mafia definitely aren't sticking their necks out. Here's a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] HadesSWhy should we believe this roleclaim? Hmm. As I said before, lynch him and let me be the final lynch vote (if we can pull that off as a town.) If he's a bomb and I die, your roleclaim is probably legitimate and you're an asset to the town. If Apollo is scum, you've protected him in a weird way and are probably scum too.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hera
The more I think on it, the more this roleclaim bugs me. Because not only did YOU tell the TOWN that Apollo is a bomb, you also reveal it to the mafia. Now they won't touch him to keep the members of the faction safe. This bothers me. Argh. This is why I don't like roleclaims. Tell me how you feel about letting me be the final vote for the lynch.
As for you being the final vote, well, that's up to you. I'm okay with Apollo dying, there is such a thing as a Mafia bomb and Apollo is fairly fishy.
Thank you Hermes. The Minotaur has fallen.
Now Hades, I'll take you up on that offer.
##Unvote: The Minotaur (He's dead so I wont need the vote on him anymore)
##Unvote: Apollo
##Vote: Apollo
Next vote must be on Apollo
This doesn't mean we need to end the day early :eep:
My question for you Apollo is that if you know you're the bomb why would you be willing to risk people dying just to prove a point? Something is amiss.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
The Hurt Locker was anti-town. Would it make sense if the bomb was on the same side? The Hurt Locker most likely had the power to deactivate the Kathryn Bigelow (da bomb), but why would they do that if they were on the same side? This is why I am inclined to believe that the bomb must actually be pro-town. Could Apollo still be mafia? Yes, then it's what Hades said in that he knew there was a Hurt Locker so he's trying to save himself by claiming bomb. But then there would have to be another person that was the bomb or terrorist. I don't know. My tummy hurts.
@Hera You seem very sure I'm not scum! I wonder how you know the mafia aren't sticking their necks out? Scum much :p
Maybe I just enjoying messing with all the "pros" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] ArtemisMy question for you Apollo is that if you know you're the bomb why would you be willing to risk people dying just to prove a point? Something is amiss.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
The Hurt Locker was anti-town. Would it make sense if the bomb was on the same side? The Hurt Locker most likely had the power to deactivate the Kathryn Bigelow (da bomb), but why would they do that if they were on the same side? This is why I am inclined to believe that the bomb must actually be pro-town. Could Apollo still be mafia? Yes, then it's what Hades said in that he knew there was a Hurt Locker so he's trying to save himself by claiming bomb. But then there would have to be another person that was the bomb or terrorist. I don't know. My tummy hurts.
If I were sure you weren't scum I wouldn't tell Hades to go ahead and kill you. I don't think the mafia are going to sacrifice themselves because they are typically very low in numbers. It would be really smurfing stupid to kill yourself over a bomb.
Anyway, the only thing I am certain of is that you have bomb parts, and are therefore a bomb of some sort. Mafia or no.
I started this post before but had to go before it could be posted.
Now I need to catch up with all the posts I've missed since.Quote:
Originally Posted by meAlright, you two continue being nuts.
My thoughts:
On my Poseidon vote: I feel Poseidon has given us very little of his own input. He's focused on me, and when not referring back to his original suspicion of me, he's agreed with someone else. He also has sat fence as Hermes has pointed out.
On Apollo: This is one of the more interesting twists of the game, we know a Hurt-Locker is (was) in play, we know Hera says he owns bomb parts, and we know he's built up for a bomb-esc roleclaim. This points to him being a bomb, but he's yet to roleclaim. And well, he's been really, really scummy. Besides things I've already stated, this attempt is just, uck.
Hygieia: She also tried what Apollo tried early on the day, but... on Apollo.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Apollo
Perhaps allaying was the wrong word, then. I wasn't trying to prevent Persephone's death, I was trying to prevent people jumping on a bandwagon for no reason. Because what happens is that people look to the person who made a serious vote and gave evidence and then point at them and say it's all their fault. Like has happened. Persephone was highest on my radar -- you might say I'm a terrible player if so, but at least I gave a reason. But I'm sure I've explained this enough times already.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
I haven't thought you to be scum, so I'm hesitant to let you be the final vote in case Apollo is the bomb. However, offering to be the "sacrifice" is probably the most scummy thing I've seen you do all game, but even so, it's enough to make you show up on my radar.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
If you cast the lynching vote on Apollo and he flips scum, you look like the hero that risked death to save the town. Like you said earlier, the only way we're really going to be sure of your role is when you die.
If you knew he was scum, then you're effectively setting up Hera to take the next fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
##Vote: [M] Apollo
I think Apollo is pretty scummy. That's the end of my justification so you guys don't leap on me for starting a bandwagon. :eep:
In case anyone wants to accuse me of voting completely different to the way I post, I'm agreeing that Hades should take the final vote. I think he's guilty, and if Apollo is town, then he'll be helping us by taking down a scum.
If Apollo is scum, then we kill scum and I'm still watching Hades.
This is clear, yes?
I look forward to the fireworks I really do because more than 1 of you will have egg on their face :bigsmile:
Apollo could be the Serial Killer Bomb Beloved Princess that also has a Gun filled with Chocolate Pudding and a fake rainbow afro?
I'm not even sort of gonna back down from this. Apollo, regardless of his role is not helping the town one bit. From where I'm sitting, the only way us lynching you doesn't help the town is if you're vanilla. And if you're vanilla, why the hell would you claim bomb? Here's the break down of each situation.
Apollo is the bomb: I die, but my arguments don't die with me. Apollo was truthful and trustworty, ergo Hera is truthful and trustworthy. Townies have one obvious ally in the bomb detector, who can continue looking for other bombs. Town moves on, one townie down, but one useless player eliminated as well and with an obvious ally.
Apollo is not the bomb (but not scum either) In this scenario I don't die and get lynched the next day because everyone thinks I'm scum. Was some other kind of messed up, but since he wasn't adding anything of value anyway there's no big loss to the town there. We also know that Hera is a liar and has a hidden agenda. If I am scum, you guys have another scumbag gone and one probable scumbag in your sights. That means you get scumbag kills for one town kill.
Apollo is scum: I am totally awesome and we realize Hera is a total liar. This is the best scenario for town, but I'll probably get mafia killed the next night.
Other things of note, I believe there are 2 kill factions but I believe one is town aligned.
@Nyx someone catches on quick :bigsmile:
Well I guess it's time to reveal to you all that I am a Bomb Squad Rookie. I'm "bomb-proof" but it's not guaranteed that I'll live. Hades, that's a pretty noble thing you just promised and that definitely says "Town" to me. If there's even a small chance that we can prevent more Town deaths then that's good enough for me. Should Apollo be close to lynching I'll vote him and (hopefully not) sacrifice myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] HadesBomb's are usually neutral and kill the person who kills them. So the scumbag who performs the kill shot gets bombed or the final lynch vote gets bombed ... that being said, I don't think Apollo is a bomb. I think he's trying to threaten bomb status to ensure that no one wants to kill him. That being said, if we ever get through this freaking annoying bandwagon stuff (I am still a little confused, yes) I willingly volunteer to be the lynch vote for him. If he's a bomb, I die and everyone keeps playing. If he's not, he's probably a scumbag. I still think he's a scumbag. That being said, I'm still not willing to vote, mostly because I want to be careful about the bandwagon thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hemera
He's roleclaimed since.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
Whoa whoa whoa, red flag people, red flag. I think he kills everyone that votes for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Apollo
Hades has the right idea, we need to learn something from today's lynch. We learned nothing yesterday. I don't trust Poseidon, but I don't trust Apollo more. Hades putting himself up for the final vote also makes me trust his intentions for the town to learn from the lynch and not to just get us to lynch who he wants.
Yeah I noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NyxHe's roleclaimed since.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
If he does, this role is overpowered and broken and I'd call shenanigans. So I say, call the bluff.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NyxWhoa whoa whoa, red flag people, red flag. I think he kills everyone that votes for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Apollo
Wha...if that's true then like everyone else is a bomb :confused:
Okay okay before everyone has a fit, not everyone will die if I go BOOM, that would be ridiculous:D
I think Apollo is referring to the fact that I pushed very hard to have him lynched and I'm convinced he is scum.
I don't second guess myself. It's part of what makes me a capable monster hunter.
Apollo is definitely not vanilla. In the off chance that this is the case I will personally go to the house of the person playing him to rape him, club him with a hammer, rape him again, and stuff him in a tiny petri dish. Then rape him again just for good measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
All these bomb roles are giving me the heeby jeebies. Why would we need more bomb roles? I will tell you. If the people who claimed the blue stuff are telling the truth then one of these things is true.
1. Apollo is some sort of nuclear bomb that kills more than one person
2. Apollo isn't the only bomb
@Hygieia Your inflated self assurance makes me enjoy this all the more;)
@Artemis Don't write a cheque your a$$ can't cash boy;) I assure you I'm not Vanilla. There will be fireworks :bigsmile:
I call your bluff and raise you a qu. :quina:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Apollo
Hemera you should be the final lynch of Apollo since you claim that you're bomb proof.
@Hygieia If your so sure I'm scum offer up yourself as the final vote ;)
Del Zeus did mention that he suspected the game would be a short one. I considered the idea last night that a bomb role could kill more than one person, and Apollo's post threw up warning flags.
One possibility is that the Hurt Locker and Bomb Squad Rookie roles protect themselves (maybe others (everyone, or just their faction) too, or maybe they disarm the bomb entirely).
In any case, I'm feeling really paranoid about Apollo.
I agree, Artemis. I will vote when Apollo gets a few more on him.
@Hemera Given the fact you call me a dick I'd love to take you to the underworld with me :p
This is a stretch. Hera has never said you weren't scum, she just follows the logic that if Mafia has a Hurtlocker and you're the only bomb, you are either town aligned or neutral. If you were town aligned I think you'd be doing way more to save the town than you are. If town wins, all townies living or dead win. If you're neutral, you win if you survive. Which means you won't put the good of the town first (which you haven't), you'll put survival first (which you have.)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Apollo
The bomb can also be neutral, and win by surviving. This would lead the bomb to prioritize whatever keeps them alive, and not prioritize town.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] ApolloMaybe I just enjoying messing with all the "pros" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] ArtemisMy question for you Apollo is that if you know you're the bomb why would you be willing to risk people dying just to prove a point? Something is amiss.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
The Hurt Locker was anti-town. Would it make sense if the bomb was on the same side? The Hurt Locker most likely had the power to deactivate the Kathryn Bigelow (da bomb), but why would they do that if they were on the same side? This is why I am inclined to believe that the bomb must actually be pro-town. Could Apollo still be mafia? Yes, then it's what Hades said in that he knew there was a Hurt Locker so he's trying to save himself by claiming bomb. But then there would have to be another person that was the bomb or terrorist. I don't know. My tummy hurts.
Also, Apollo lmao. Haven't you insinuated that I'm amateur? (You may not have, but I don't have time to go through ALL your posts atm.)
How is sacrifice scummy? If he flips scum and Hera takes the fall, ends up being pro-town, then you know I'm scum too. Scum ends up losing the same amount of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NyxPerhaps allaying was the wrong word, then. I wasn't trying to prevent Persephone's death, I was trying to prevent people jumping on a bandwagon for no reason. Because what happens is that people look to the person who made a serious vote and gave evidence and then point at them and say it's all their fault. Like has happened. Persephone was highest on my radar -- you might say I'm a terrible player if so, but at least I gave a reason. But I'm sure I've explained this enough times already.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
I haven't thought you to be scum, so I'm hesitant to let you be the final vote in case Apollo is the bomb. However, offering to be the "sacrifice" is probably the most scummy thing I've seen you do all game, but even so, it's enough to make you show up on my radar.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
If you cast the lynching vote on Apollo and he flips scum, you look like the hero that risked death to save the town. Like you said earlier, the only way we're really going to be sure of your role is when you die.
If you knew he was scum, then you're effectively setting up Hera to take the next fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
##Vote: [M] Apollo
I think Apollo is pretty scummy. That's the end of my justification so you guys don't leap on me for starting a bandwagon. :eep:
That's a bluff. And you've been way smarter than that all along. What gives?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NyxWhoa whoa whoa, red flag people, red flag. I think he kills everyone that votes for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Apollo
Bingo. Though you could be bandwagoning to scapegoat me as scum because you know Apollo isn't scum, the town will LEARN from the next SEVERAL lynches and the next SEVERAL mafia kills instead of just taking it one day at a time. The town has the opportunity to make plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hestia
HOWEVER.
The fact that 2 players have now roleclaimed that they have bomb detection abilities really bugs me. Especially the one who claims to be bomb-proof, but unsure of how bomb-proof bomb-proof is? One or both of Hera and Hemera have to be bull:bou::bou::bou::bou:ting, unless there are like a kabillion bombs on both sides. Interesting.
What could be happening in paranoia land (Hades head) Apollo and Hemera are both scum and trying to get me to trade. A smart person, obviously, would insist at this point we take the risk of making the bomb-proof claimant the lynch-vote. That way we lose no town. What actually happens is the "smart" person tries to use this line of reasoning and the other scum and some town see "smart" person as a flip-flopper, they stop trusting me and possibly even lynch me.
I'm sticking to my guns.
Well in that caseQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Nyx
##Unvote: Apollo
##Vote: Hermes
Can't have the game end that soon. When in doubt go with Hermes. :redface:
Nope. It's safer if it's me, because I am totally vanilla. Hemera has roleclaimed a more powerful... what.... wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Artemis
That was fast. Something is mother smurfing rotten in Olympus.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hemera
And Nyx, I fail to see how sacrificing to see who is lying is scummy. If Apollo does turn out to be scum then that would make you scum as well since you're trying to scare us along with Apollo.
Technically I'm pro-town but ruffling the feathers of those that take this game much too seriously has become too much fun. Town is better off without me but things won't be half as much fun. Decide who's coming with me to the underworld already I need to sleep soon
It's safer for Hemera actually since she claims to be bomb proof. Vanillas are not bomb proof.
Not when someone claims to be semi bomb proof and is willing to be the final vote. I know I'm not bomb proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Apollo
Also you could be a mafia bomb or a serial killer bomb or a Demon Dude bomb, the first two making you explosive scum and the last makes you annoying.
Yes, definitely let Hemera take the vote if we're gonna lynch him. If she's not as she claims then she's a dirty liar and she'll go poof anyway.
But Hemera could be bluffing, could she not? And Hera could be bluffing? or they could both be bluffing and trying to mislead the town into believing there are multiple bombs or superkill bombs.
The double bomb-prevention roleclaim has thrown a hink in our giddyap. I don't see Del Zeus nerfing the town that much, unless he's already stacked the deck against us in a bad way.
Argh.
In mafia it is very possible to overthink :|
I think I'm letting my paranoia get the better of me. If the majority of the town agrees that it's better for Hemera to be the lynch vote then I will also agree to that.
rofl Hades
I think Del said this would be fast because of Hephestus's role, but he was killed before he could use it. Bus drivers target 2 people. Drunk drivers crash cars. That would kill the 2 people he targeted and possibly Hephestus himself. Add that onto the two other nightkills and thats a potential of 5 in one night.
I already mentioned what Del Zeus said. If necessary, I'll go drag up the quote. But that bounced around my head for a great deal of time last night, I even wrote a sticky note on my desktop to make sure I posted it. Apollo's post reinforced it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
Thank you for the compliment on my intelligence though. I appreciate it.
Does someone else want to explain this? I thought it was a common concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Artemis
I'll try and simplify it, not because I'm trying to be condescending, but because it might get to unwieldly if I make the model life sized.
Two mafia members. Mafia member A has a lot of heat. Mafia member B campaigns against Mafia member A and Mafia member A gets lynched. Mafia member B looks like a really great townie, he helped kill a scumbag! But really, all he did was sacrifice a teammate who looked like he was going anyway in order to make himself look innocent.
This is what I am suggesting. I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm offering alternative outcomes.
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Originally Posted by [M] Hades
Hemera's roleclaim vs mine, this is getting interesting :bigsmile:
@everyone trying to convince us that Apollo is a nuke. I don't buy it, I don't trust you, cut it out :colbert:
This is a great explanation and far less broken than an uber bomb, or whatever our working definition is.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Crazy theory time.
There are three (or four depending on Hermes's mood) factions.
Normal Town
(stinky) Mafia
Corrupt Bomb Squad
Hermes when he feels like it
It's possible and if it's true then part of the mindsmurf is the fact that an opposing faction is colored blue.
Truthfully, I see where Nyx is coming from after some more consideration. The first time I was mafia we did something similar, I think. That was a looooooong time ago, though.
As a side note, I want to rep you for this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
I highly doubt that theory is the way things actually are. But it is interesting to say the least.
:aimkiss:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NyxAs a side note, I want to rep you for this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
A Corrupt Bomb Squad could work. But if there is a bomb, and both Mafia and Bomb Squad have the ability to defend against the bomb, that means we should have a bomb proof townie (by rights).Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hygieia
Thank you for understanding. I thought maybe I had caught a bout of insanity and was talking nonsense!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Hades
Nyx has the mark on this tactic. It's called throwing someone under the bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] NyxDoes someone else want to explain this? I thought it was a common concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Artemis
I'll try and simplify it, not because I'm trying to be condescending, but because it might get to unwieldly if I make the model life sized.
Two mafia members. Mafia member A has a lot of heat. Mafia member B campaigns against Mafia member A and Mafia member A gets lynched. Mafia member B looks like a really great townie, he helped kill a scumbag! But really, all he did was sacrifice a teammate who looked like he was going anyway in order to make himself look innocent.
This is what I am suggesting. I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm offering alternative outcomes.
Ok, I'm in the middle of typing up a much longer post regarding some earlier stuff, but this discussion is all over the place.
I'm not getting the suspicion against either Hades or Hemera at this point, and I was suspicious of Hades earlier. Hades offered to off himself to lynch Apollo, and Hemera volunteered to be the final vote, though it might also cost him death. With a game with (presumably) at least one bomb and given how mindsmurfed this is, I don't see how either of those are unlikely. Trying to divert attention to them is what's most suspicious to me (looking at Artemis and Nyx).
Hades: I'm having trouble following your concerns about a "trade." You can't even be lynched tomorrow if you get yourself killed today.
I see a lot of talking but not a lot of bandwagoning :p
I think this is the current vote count, by the way. Next vote must be on Hermes.
Votecount
I will put a (b) next to a person's name if the vote counted as a bandwagon or not.
Poseidon (4) - Hermes, Hebe(b),Apollo, Hestia(b), Apollo(b)
Nyx (4) - Helios, Tyche(b), Aphrodite(b), (self-vote)
Apollo (2) -Hygieia,Artemis(b),Hygieia(b),Hygieia,Hestia(b), Hygieia, Nyx(b)
Helios (2) - Hera, Poseidon(b)
Hermes (1) - Artemis
Hestia (0) -Apollo,Hestia(b)
Not voting: Ares, Demeter, Dionysus, Eilithyia, Hades, Hemera
No one seems to be in favor of lynching Hermes, I'm going to bandwagon him so we're free to vote for whomever.
##unvote: Apollo
##vote: Hermes
I've heard of it. I still say let Hemera do it.