And that means...?
And that means...?
I love what Ma Chao is doing I really do :lol: Making himself look very guilty to the degree where we think "wow no guilty person would be this obvious". Really dude give it up :lol:
Ok so this is the most amount of posts in a while. Why is there a bandwagon for Ma Chao now?
Just an observation. But I do concede that Ma chao's defense is a little flimsy and the claim of 7 peasants is outrageous. We need to dissect this carefully.
You know it just came to me know who is likely to be the last cult member, assuming there is one left, it's maybe Lu Meng! Think about it who better for the cult to recruit then a townie with 2 votes. It's been a known fact from very earlier on in the game what his role was too.
But take Ma Chao out it still leaves 7 peasants. I think both are lying.
So was yours Cao. And you can prevent lynches at that :p.
If we lynch Ma Chao, we can tell if he's lying. :bigsmile:
Hey guys, I'm back. Just give me a sec to read through the posts that I've missed.
Mine, if it happens. :D
I won't lie, the thought came to me to. I wanted to focus the day on mafia, though, and since I think we caught him let's talk about cult.
Lu Meng was certainly one of the first that I thought might be recruited, but he wasn't the first. Want to guess who the first was, Cao Cao? I'll give you a hint. He was the first confirmed town in this game and probably would not get a single vote from that point on. ;)
Interesting that you immediately pointed the finger at Lu Meng as soon as he shows up!
I'm glad to see you're still as suspicious of me as ever Sima Yi :lol: I'll admit casting doubt on Lu Meng when he showed up looks bad but when the thought of him being cult came to me I just had to share with town whether or not I would look guilty in doing so.
:lol: But he's so obviously not.
Is it possible to have a double-voting Mafian? I doubt it, as that would make the game a bit unbalanced.
How do you know Meng?
It makes sense that you were recruited Cao. It really does.
Well I wasn't suspicious of you until yesterday. :D Do you deny the fact that you would aslo be a great potential prize for the cult?
And I agree with you, but do you think I'd be stupid enough at this point to out of the blue call somebody a cultist if I was one myself especially this far into the game? I mean come on give me some credit!
I'm with Cao Cao. It's very unlikely a Cultist would so obviously try to out another as Cultist. :lol:
Make it €20 ya dirty son bitch :lol:
Make that €20 ya dirty son bitch :lol:
Ok back to the topic at hand. Could someone do a vote count please and how much time have we gt?
2 Huang Gai
3 Ma Chao
I believe.
This what I was afraid of, and why I hate cults. Nothing that happens in the past means anything so we can just throw accusations out there willy nilly.
My gut feeling says Cao was one of the first recruits, but I haven't thought much about it because it makes my head hurt. My head hurts enough from trying to find the mafia and we don't even know if we've done that yet.
Still no word from Guan yet either. :/
Roughly 3 hours left though.
Can he stop the lynch if it's a majority?
Why is the converstaion dying. Lets not lynch someone until its discussed to death. Meng Huo or Ma Chao. Why vote for either?
Well I guess it's pointless to hold the vote on Huang Gai now :S
##Unvote : Huang Gai
Personally I don't trust them both. 8 vanillas? Yeah right. I don't trust Cao either. And Meng Huo has been helping him out for a while now. Ma Chao, well, he hasn't been doing himself much good.
And Cao...it's Peasant. (no seriously it's bodyguard, but you might want to check the previous pages as I nearly died for it, a cultist even voted me on it)
Ma Chao I have already posted my reasons and his posts since then have only made me more sure that he is mafia.
Meng Huo I have not voted for because he was pretty instrumental in getting out the first couple scum and he's been pretty consistent and active, although useless. But that doesn't mean he can't be scum at this point. We are running out of players!
By the way, did you mean Huang Gai? He's the other one with votes. I must admit I get the two of them confused a lot because of their avatars.
Bodyguard eh as in roleblocker or protector?
Did I post the wrong name? Damn!
Well I think it's really between the two of them because they have made the same claim.
And Cao it's protector.
Alright, well I'm going to dinner soon and won't be back for the end. I trust you guys to make the right decision and Guan Yu I h8 for never posting because you were one of the best.
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Well, I won't be on for much longer, and it's unfortunate we haven't heard from Guan Yu today. I'm really not sure who to vote for at this point. Obviously we know Guan, Cao and Lu are safe from being Mafia, though any of the three could be cultists, if there are any left. We've assumed that Xiahou and Sima are definitely town based on Guan's investigation, though I'm still not sure they're definitely not Mafia, but they still have a chance at being part of the cult. Then we have Meng Huo and Ma Chao who haven't been confirmed as town, so they have the highest chance of being an anti-town role, whether Cult or Mafia, though it's still possible that neither of them are, if we were indeed to hasty in trusting Guan's investigation. I'll look back quickly and then place my vote.
Don't leave it to us :@
Roughly 2 hours left guys. What do we do? :G
I say it's between Meng Hou and Ma Chao but it's actually just Ma Chao with 3 votes. -.-
What did I do? Seriously!
Ok I'm going to vote. I'm not sure which one of the 2 to kill but this is my best guess.
##Vote : Huang Gai
Sorry if you are town but I find it suspicious you won't roleclaim to try and save yourself.
You made the same claim as he did. And the claim is the reason why you're lynching him. -.-
Was that aimed at me or Meng Huo?
So with Xiahou's unvote and Lu's double vote that ties me and Ma Chao up.
It's a draw for now.
looks like nobody is around to talk this out so my vote stays where it is & you guys do the right thing. Goodnight
Well, this sucks.
Indeed. The next vote will help or hang you. Peace out!
WTF does that mean? DO I even have any votes?
Sorry, I thought you were Ma Chao. My bad.
Suuuuure.
Tie? What the hell guys, Lu Meng especially. Just fry this bastard already.
I'm not changing my vote. :colbert:
You people are stupid, tied game this late? I got caught up at work and you're not even done.
Vote Count
[M] Huang Gai (3) - Ma Chao,Xiahou Dun, Lu Meng
[M] Ma Chao (3) - Sima Yi, Cao Cao, Meng Huo
I'll extend the day until I get back from the cinema so you'd better have an end vote or I will kill them both :argh:
Dude, I'm not unvoting! :lol:
It's still going? O_O
##Vote : Ma Chao.
I'm gonna regret this but it's either him or Meng Huo for me. Also Ma Chao's death is going to prove things for Meng Huo.
How the hell is the day not over :lol:
I think it must have been quite the boring movie Jiro.
Well on Jiro's behalf I will do this.
The day is over. Ma Chao, you have been condemned to die. Flavour will be here once Jiro is awake again.
Yooooooooooooooooooooooo didn't go to the moviws people I got drunk instead. beerpong champions of the worrrrdl I am the best. Despite the fact I am drunk I know that Ma Caho ia died and he is a vanilla townie. If you have a [problem with this he can confirm it. I dunoo who is playint ma chao but I know that he is Vanilla Townie and sinceXiahous don voted him the score is 4-3.
The night is now beginnging so pelaes send in your night actions. promise Ill deal with them sober okay. love you guys take it easy. also you guys are gay why you killin
- townies oh gofd sophie just feel off the bed.
Day dawns and the town is in despair. The star of their favourite TV Show, The Homo Sumo, was found dead in his home. Sucks to be dead, but he wasn't gay which may surprise you.
[M] Huang Gai was the Super Sumo
Day what, 7? begins now. With six left in the game, four (4) votes is a majority lynch.
Enjoy the day ;)
The day dawns but for me it is night
The outlook on this town is blight
I was so sure about Ma Chao
That I have no idea what to do now
So to sleep I go and then we will see
What our next move should be
But as of now I am convinced
A liar we have in our midst
To that end I think we should claim
Our exact roles as they were named
For me it's simple and not that pleasant
For I am just a simple Peasant
Well I did see that happen. :colbert:
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##Vote : Meng Huo.
Why am I not dead, again :lol:
And now the 2 more townies are dead what the hell o.O
What? Even Sima claimed Peasant?
Was that a joke that went with the poetry or what? -__-
[M] Lu Meng
[M] Cao Cao
[M] Xiahou Dun
[M] Guan Yu
[M] Meng Huo
[M] Sima Yi
These are all the accounts still in play. The only players who's innoncence I am sure of are myself & Lu Meng. It is unlikely that Lu Meng is mafia because the likelyhood of a mafia member who could vote twice is unlikely because of how just plain unfair to town that would be.
Xiahou Dun, since you claim we're a protective role, would it be possible to get a list of who you've protected each night up until now?
To be honest I think every player left has a role more powerful than peasant.
Well, you're wrong. Seriously, I'm a peasant. :colbert:
I would literally have no reason to lie about this. If I had to, surely I'd pick something other than the role that flipped a billion times.
Guan Yu could really do with giving his 2 cents especially since he's supposedly the cop
I did not protect anyone the early days because I wanted to stay alive. However after the day that no one died, i suspected that there might be a doctor and that doctor must have protected Guan as you would expect since he's a cop. I protected the next most likely to be targeted Town role. Which is you. However last night I protected the third most likely Lu Meng because to be honest I think you might have been recruited into the cult.
Of course. You just wanted to get Ma Chao lynched and were successful. And you do realize that that works the other way around too right? And now Sima also claims Peasant. Which makes it even more unlikely that you're peasants. Though Sima has yet to explain himself so my vote sticks with you.
I'm pretty convinced Guan Yu is Naive or lying by this point.
All of his investigations are innocent and the guy never investigated himself. Cops SHOULD ALWAYS INVESTIGATE THEMSELVES.
Meng Huo if he investigates himself he'll get an innocent. So does that disprove that he's naive? No.
And Cao I'm sure he's gulity for the same reason you thought Ma Chao was guilty :)
9 Peasants is unlikely right?
For the last time I am not a cultist, no seriously if I could show you my PM box to prove if I would! I didn't even know there was a cult until I returned after missing 2 game days.
My vote for him was well placed. I declared from the beginning that it was either you or him. So voting for him was the logical thing to do given the fact that it was a draw between Huang and Chao, and i was equally suspicious on both of you. And I believe inactivity would not have been a good enough reason to vote for Huang anymore. No that he's gone I have no other choice but to vote for you.
In other words it's either you or Sima now. But Sima has to explain first. And he also turned innocent so he's more believable than you are. And also why would you claim Peasant after he claimed? BECAUSE that's it. To do exactly what you're doing now, say that you wouldn't have claimed it since it would have been stupid. I've seen that in mafia games before, so that does not convince me.
You still voted for a townie. Doesn't my why or how or when. To grill me for doing the same is faulty. YOU VOTED FOR HIM TOO. Doesn't change the fact we lynched a townie.
Yes, it's possible, but it's not true. So naturally I would do something stupid just so I could appraise my actions as stupid? That's well...stupid. If I worked so hard to make that situation come to pass, I'd work hard enough to think of a better claim.
And my vote wasn't well-placed? The guy was suspcious and did little to nothing to convince me otherwise. To incriminate me for finding a suspicious person as suspicious is silly and makes no sense.
We both are confirmed by the cop Cao. I can't vote for you or myself sorry. The only one who's not been proven is Meng Huo. And also why would i vote for you if you can stop the lynch ? :p
I knew you guys were cult :lol:
Why are you agreeing with Meng Hou Cao? :bigsmile:
Isn't it unlikely that he's a Peasant?
It isn't very plausible to think there are 2 cultists left. I don't even think there are any cultists left to be honest. And given that your so called protector role is common knowledge for some time what's to say you weren't recruited also?
You voted for Meng Huo using flawed reasoning & then called his reasoning flawed. Excuse me but that makes you as suspicious as him.
As for our allegated cop unless he shows up and helps out I'm enclined to believe he's either a naive cop or his role claim is bull$hit. "Confirming" me innocent after the mod confirmed me as Emperor & I used my power for all to see means his claim is likely to be bull$hit. Unless he says there is a real world reason for his absence well my jury is out on him
Remember this X Dun? I don't think anyone left is a peasant. Either give me better logic for your vote for Meng Huo or my vote remains on you. You can say I'm defending him but I'm not, I'm just pointing out you're voting for someone who's reasons for voting in the last game day were basically the same as yours! Strange no :bigsmile:
Yeah, I'm not buying the Cop claim as it stands either. It's too convenient to have a lot of your investigation results be confirmed or prior to the night your target was killed.
You don't think cultists are left? What the heck? The leader is not dead yet -.-.
I'm voting him because he's lying. We can't have 9 vanillas. That's never happened before. And it's suspicious that he claimed it right after Ma Chao did. Like he really wanted Ma Chao dead. And expect for him who else should I vote?? He's the only one who's really uncertain.
And I've seen how you've sided up lately so it only leads me to think that you're cult. Since you can't be mafia based on your role.
Great diss the cop now. Everyone believed him so much before he made the mistake.
Good god you're accusing everyone who disagrees with you.
A Cult doesn't necessarily need a leader. In fact, I've played several games without one. I'm not saying there is or isn't a cult and/or its leader, but let's not rule anything out.
BUT I'M NOT! I'm a Vanilla Townie. 100%. It doesn't matter to me if you think I am or not, but it does when you use it in a poor argument to get me lynched.
And I'm not stupid enough to claim Vanilla after eight others did. :rolleyes: Come on, now. I said I was Vanilla to emphasize someone could be lying, but not to capitalize on Ma Chao.
First, there was always speculation on the condition of our cop. Second, if we don't speculate we get nowhere.
Your weak arguments, overly aggressive manner, and assurance that since I'm the "most supicious" makes me "evil" is too much to deal with.
##Vote: Xiahou Dun
I don't buy the whole "He's the one who's really uncertain" thing. Nobody should be certain in Mafia. Ever. To find me suspicious because you're "unceratin of my affiliation" is weak and scummy.
Well your premise is very faulty. We have for almost the whole game assumed that if the cops investigations are true that Sima Yi and Cao Cao are also innocent. By that logic, if you call into question Xiahou Yun's innocence, than you must question the innocence of the other 2. And if you leave those 2 alone, then you must know something about them. Such as they are both cult like you? Only a hypothesis. But it does seem suspicious that you assume the guilt of someone already proclaimed innocent without questioning the others in the same circumstances.
##Vote: Meng Huo
I'm questioning based on that I find him suspicious. I'm not going to question someone who I don't find suspicious. It's the same thing Xiahou's doing with me questioning Ma Chao. Don't get mad at me for thinking a duck quacks.
AND WE SHOULDN'T ASSUME COP INVESTIGATIONS ARE ENTIRELY TRUE AT THIS POINT>
We shouldn't.
I mean, Lu and Xiahou, it's one thing for you to find me suspcious based on how I act, but to me, it's more you finding me suspcious on finding others suspicious.
I'm not! I just don't find them as suspicious.
Who had weak arguments again?
Okay look at this :
Cao - He's confirmed Emperor. He might be cult but still. I can't vote for him cause he'll just stop the lynch and make the day go to waste.
Guan Yu - He's the cop! Don't say he's not. Zhuge Liang confirmed it. I'm looking at you Cao.
Sima Yi - Suspicious claim BUT he turned innocent on investigation. That's +1 in his favor no matter what.
Lu Meng - Doublevoter duh
Meng Huo - Nothing. He even claimed Peasant which is pretty much impossible. Therefore I can't vote anyone else except for you.
I found Xiahou suspicious because of his weak and seeingly contrived arguments against me.
His "confirmed role" had nothing to do with it. You're assuming that's what I'm basing my suspicions on, and I'm not.
Guan could still be naive. And for a guy who got nothing but innocent readings, that's still plausible.
Weak arguments do not override confirmed evidence. If this was a court of law, you would be bitch slapped back to the last century. If you are going to challenge the evidence here, you will need to bring strong evidence yourself. Not just "But I'm not. His arguments are weak. Lets ignore the evidence".
I'm sure you all agree with my reasoning above^.
He's the only one whose innocence we can't prove. He could be anything. While the other players all have something to go by.
You sounds like Raistlin here.
Nothing. Is. Confirmed. Nothing. The guy could easily be naive and Xiahou could easily be lying. That's a fact. You're putting far too much faith on something you don't know and treating it as fact.
And a guy claiming something isn't confirmation, and you're basing your entire argument on something that isn't proven.
If nobody is going to see sense then I may have to use my power again :lol:
And we don't have to accept anything. We shouldn't, either. You're endagering all of us by putting too much faith in Guan Yu. He wouldn't know if he's naive or not.
I believe Meng Huo has 3 votes at this point. A majority is 4. Hey mod can I stop a majority lynch if not I might just stop the lynch now
The reason I trust Cao Cao is because he's been confirmed by his actions, not by the word of a guy who dodesn't even know his own sanity. :rolleyes:
WHO'S USING THAT REASONING???
Seriously guys, if you don't bother reading the game thread then I might as well just walk out of here.
Well you, Lu Meng & Meng Huo :lol: Ever since this game began you've been attack Meng Huo for voting for Ma Chao for the same reasons you did. And the you call his reasoning weak because you seem 100% sure of a bogus cop roleclaim. Just waiting for mod then I may just stop the lynch.
Thank you, Cao Cao. :love:
Forgive them, God, for they know not what they do.
Are you smurfing with me? I never used him voting Ma Chao as a way of stating my point.
If you bothered to read anything you would have seen that it was basic process of elimination.
And please define strong reasoning. I bet even yours wouldn't match that definition.
Here it is :Cao - He's confirmed Emperor. He might be cult but still. I can't vote for him cause he'll just stop the lynch and make the day go to waste.
Guan Yu - He's the cop! Don't say he's not. Zhuge Liang confirmed it. I'm looking at you Cao.
Sima Yi - Suspicious claim BUT he turned innocent on investigation. That's +1 in his favor no matter what.
Lu Meng - Doublevoter duh
Meng Huo - Nothing. He even claimed Peasant which is pretty much impossible. Therefore I can't vote anyone else except for you.
Now how is this a weak argument? And how is yours stronger?
Because 1. You fail to consider the fact Guan may be naive. 2. By finding me evil because I claim peasant. :rolleyes:
I don't have to consider Guan Naive.
In my perspective : I'm innocent. Cao is definitely innocent. Then Sima Yi can also be innocent. He only made 3 investigations. There are 8 players :) (actually there were even more at the time)
There have been 7-8 players claiming peasant I've already said this was a pile of bs. Saying he cannot back up his claim is a weak argument because apart from me & Lu Meng NOBODY can back their claim up. I voted for you because this is piss weak reasoning.
I realise I hand the Mafia a free shot by stopping the lynch but I feel by doing so we will no for once & for all who is guilty
But you do have to consider the possibility Guan mgiht be naive. It's to consider him not being naive when you were investiagted and "proclaimed innocent."
I can back it up with the cop investigation and so can Sima. But oh right, he might be naive. I'll discuss the others on the next day. Today I'm convinced on Meng Huo cause he has ABSOLUTELY nothing to back his claim. At least we have an investigation. Which might or might not be true but at least it has a 50% chance of being so. What does Meng Huo have?
You what screw this
##Stoplynch; Meng Huo
Depending on who is dead at the beginning of the next day I wager it obvious who amongst us is scum
I'm going to say this once more. It is unlikely that Guan Yu is naive. The main reasoning for this is simple. If there was only town and mafia factions in this game, yes the cop could be naive and the game would not be one sided. However with a cult as well, the town would be at an extreme disadvantage if they had only a naive cop. They would have 2 cops, one naive one proper to put them on an even footing with the other faction. We, however do not have 2 cops. The logical reasoning is that the cop is legit as are his investigation results.
Nothing. I don't have a role claim or a bogus invedtigation on me. If it's 50% possibility of being something to back you up then why should you consider it something to back you up? If it's only half likely to be true it dosen't mean it should be treated as such.
Congrats Cao. You just confirmed my suspicion. You and Meng Huo are cult and that's the end of it. You're even twisting facts, how admirable.
It's perfectly possible for there not to be a standard cop. Unlikely and unfortunate, put possible. Consider the possibilities and don't assume.
Also, who says there can't be a cop amongst us?
:lol: This sounds so ridiculous. What facts have Cao or I tiwsted? None. Asolutely none. Infer something else, perhaps. But we didn't twist anything,
And me being with Cao? :lol: Why? Because he stopped my lynched. Frankly,t his sounds more like a threat than anything.
It's not. :lol:
Anyway discussion is over.
Good :lol: I don't care what you say X Dun, voting for anybody because they can't back up their roleclaim as peasant is a weak argument. Only me & Lu Meng have confirmed roles & you can forget your so-called cop who has disappeared by the way
Wow, this is just makes you two sound like you're both in cahoots.
Cao Cao stopped my lynch and disagreed with you. So we're BFF's and fellow cultists? That's a stretch.
Also I find it odd you're so focused on the cult there X Dun, trying to save your scummy ass are we ;)
Well...remember the bleach game? There were scummy cults too ;)
I wake up right now to find a mess
Stopping this lynch I do protest
We still have a killer in our town
Another night means another one down
Lu Meng & Xiahou Dun see my other post
What are the roles that you two boast?
I want the actual names you were told
Word for word, if you'd be so bold
Sima! Is it true that you're a peasant or not? And in normal way please -.-
That's better than thinking he's absolutely positively without-a-doubt and scum-if-you-think-otherwise cop.
Apart from the fact that ZHUGE LIANG confirmed my role, yeah sure I'm a bulltrout artist. Does that mean, rather than being the emperor like Zhuge Liang confirmed, you are the town rentboy Cao Cao? You should really read the thread and other peoples posts before spamming nonsense baby :aimkiss:
Why hasn't the mod ended the day yet?
Oh by the way, sorry for being so inactive lately, been having smurfed up lack of sleep, too much sleep, etc, my entire life has basically been either being really tired or really asleep. cba for mafia at all :shobon:
oh yeah, Meng Huo is a cult member and I don't know why Cao Cao is protecting him, other than because he's an idiot.
##vote Meng Huo
Allow I guess if you do post where he confirmed you, I'll be in the naive cop camp then :lol:
no, seeing as you're the only one who's apparently been too lazy to read the thread and everyone else has been, you can just go back and search for when me and Xiahou Dun were going at it with each other when I first made the cop roleclaim and then I had to tell everyone he was actually innocent because HC sent me the wrong investigation results and I falsely accused him. Which Zhuge then had to confirm was the case because the town were on the verge of lynching an innocent man, and we'd just outed our roles because of false information the host had given us.
So basically to point it out for the crazys around here. If Guan Yu says Meng Huo is cult & he apparently found him guilty then well he's a bull$hit artist :lol:
Because you can cancel the stoplynch, if you want to get rid of the cult member, or you can protect him for no real reason other than you're dumb :shobon:
xD dude everyone has told you that Zhuge Liang confirmed my role. stop being lazy and actually go and read it for yourself. if you want to make yourself look stupid by protecting a cult member that's entirely up to you, but stop trying to claim "BULLTIT!!11" about something you a.) weren't here for when it happened and b.) are too lazy to actually go and read for yourself.
You know what
##Cancelstoplynch: [M] Meng Huo
If he flips innocent you'll all look like twats :lol:
Also can the mafia please put a bullet in me next
Assuming the mod allows me to cancel the lynch Guan Ye's vote is a majority so game day ends either way
Dude, what are you doing!? You're killing a Townie!
You better hope you do or else we're one townie town.
Although if you flip townie it really doesn't make X Dun look good at all :lol:
You're trying too hard Cacao.
D'ARRRRRRR Ahoy mateys!
Looks like this day be ov'rrr before the sun even be half-mast, which be a cryin' shame 'cause the fiery aeon be one of the most fun to play.
Arrrr, matey, I says before what ye should do. As lowly crew aboard this ship we have none the power but the lynch to find the scum. I says we make that landlubber Meng Huo walk de plank and see if he be plannin' a mutiny.
I fin' it odd that Guan Yu show up and waste none a time in votin' for that landlubber Meng Huo. Arrrrr. What be yur investgations for the nights passed? Don' a hide them from us for endgame perhaps be approchin'. If a guitly mark be on that landlubber Meng Huo then speak up about it. And why so sure he be of the cult and not mafia scum?
One more thing before I go back to swabbin' the deck. I fin' it odd that the double voter be called "Influential Commoner" and not "Infulential Peasant" as peasant be the name for townie in this har game. A double votin' scum be a powerful role, but if thar be only three mafia total, and a cult as well, perhaps this be a way of evenin' the odds. It just be odd that in a game where mafia have only the votes to fear, a townie wit two would last this long. ARRRR
you guys have a few extra minutes, gotta find the list of players
And so there was Meng Huo, lookin up some lolcats with nyan cat on a different tab at full volume, when 5 people busted into his room and took him to the gallows. His last words were, "LoL katz r so dum." Meng Huo was the LORD OF ALL EVIL AND DOESNT SMELL VERY NICE..... jk, he was a Yellow Turban formerly a Peasant played by Trollhunter. Thank you come again.
a lot happened last night. are you ready to find out what happened? We had some surprises, we had some murder, and we had one freakin awesome thing happen. details shortly.