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Serapy
You know what's ironic? Lychon uses these :bou: a lot, too.
... I'm not sure what's sadder, that you don't recognize a word filter, or that you're still harping on someone who's been banned for what, three years now.
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Actually, it's not completely baseless. I copy a thing from the game (which is a fact) and paste into here, and then I express an opinion on that thing. That is not completely baseless. Way to exaggerate!
You express a baseless opinion.
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No, I have never once said "This is tehh truthzz", "Yo, it's true. Whatever you're saying is false" or something to that effect.
You don't have to explicitly state 'this is true' to assert something as being so.
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I express my view, and all of a sudden, you'd assume that I'm trying to assert it as fact. So, that's your fault, not mine!
Are you 'expressing' a view you think is not the case?
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Then they are blind, because VII and VIII were sold very well in the West.
So did all the FF games, but not their merch does not sell nearly as well as the games in the states.
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It does change something. Look at this thread, it's adding up. That doesn't mean it changes nothing.
You repeatedly asserting that it only being in Japanese matters does not mean anything is 'adding up.'
You want to disregard information within it as invalid.
Any protestations that you weren't will be given the lack of consideration they deserve.
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That's not true. Considering that they are a rich company.
THE SPIRITS WITHIN.
QED.
They quite are.
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conservatism noun
/kənˈsɜː.və.tɪ.zəm/US pronunciation symbol/-ˈsɝː.və.t ̬ɪ-/ n [U]
the quality of often not liking or trusting change, especially sudden change
And how am I the one not liking change, what with you being the one disliking additional information that kiboshes your precious notions? YOU are the one who dislikes change, child.
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No, it's not. 'Awareness' and 'invalid' has two different meanings.
So your response to 'you not being aware does not make it invalid' is 'they have different meanings'
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Glad you agree with me.
Please stop trying to disregard the Ultimania, then.
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Not really. For example, Ultimecia saying 'K', instead of 'C', doesn't affect the plot.
No, but altering dialog DOES. Using words in the translation that have multiple vague meanings does, because it engenders confusion where non existed previously.
Also, Protip: There weren't Ks or Cs in the dialog to begin with.
What with it being written in Japanese.
No you have not, and I will thank you to stop lying about this issue.
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AC in Japanese supports this.
I HAVE Advent Children in Japanese. In what way do you claim it supports the idea that Ultimanias are in error regarding Cloud's birthday? Because the Japanese website agrees that his birthday is the 11th of August, just like the Ultimania Omega, 10th Aniversary Ultimania, Crisis Core Ultimania, Prologue Book, and Reunion files- which incidentally is written in english- all say.
So please, good sir, SUPPORTS IT HOW.
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I already have. Talking about VII is irrelevant here, if we want to talk about it, let's move to the VII board and talk from there on.
IT IS NOT IRRELEVANT BECAUSE IT IS BEING USED TO SUPPORT A CLAIM YOU HAVE MADE.
CONCESSION ACCEPTED.
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You cannot deny the fact that Ultimanias include some errors.
YES I CAN. YOU HAVE FAILED TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS IDEA IN ANY FORM. CONCESSION ACCEPTED.
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That's irrelevant. The Spirits Within =/= Ultimania.
Besides, it's much cheaper to produce a Ultimania than a movie.
Except that TSW means they have fewer resources to spend on anything other than their games. That, and books and merchandise are less guaranteed sources of income than their games.
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It counts for the Japanese. Square created it for them, not non-japanese.
It created its games for the Japanese too. That's why the original games are in Japanese.
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It doesn't matter if my story will contradict my fans' interpretations or not. Let them decide it. This story is created to show them, not for myself. I create it to impress them, not create it to impress myself. It's very plausible that my story will lead to various interpretations, anyway.
Creating sequels or whatever to disprove these interpretations will show how selfish I am.
Who ever said you'd be doing it intentionally? You always run the risk. Better never release one period.
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Sure, you may not care about my story, but I'm sure someone else will.
And I'm sure they'll care about my story too, even after I upset their assumptions.
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That's your opinion.
If this is merely my opinion, then yours is also an opinion, and unpopular one, and cannot be used to enforce an idea at all, meaning that it's COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS in your argument to allow you to ignore sequels, Ultimanias, and other sources of information.
You have not.
REPEATED EVASION NOTED.
Concession accepted.
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So, you're admitting that external sources don't count? AC in Japanese shows this. AC is an external source, just like the Ultimania.
AC in Japanese shows Cloud's Birthday to be the same as it is listed in the Ultimania and the Japanese instruction manual.
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That statement doesn't prove that the Ultimania is perfect.
And THAT statement doesn't prove that your previous comment is anything but a red herring and set an absurd standard of evidence that you certainly aren't holding yourself to.
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The VIII Japanese version is not perfect?
It does not give the whole of the information, so no.
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You've just assumed that I'm asserting anything as fact, which is not true. Otherwise I'd admit it.
Ignorant, then.
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So, it seems that your temptation is overpowering yourself to keep arguing with me. You knew that this is going no where, and yet you keep doing it. I can say the same thing for myself. Oh, dear. The aliens are probably laughing at this.
Better adjust your tinfoil hat, then, conspiracy theorist.
Again, making an assumptions as to my mental state are merely making an ass of you.
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They have never played VIII and yet they said identical words, how can that not raise some suspicion?
Because they all said 'No, this is gibberish, except for sorta this, and it's wrong anyways.'
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Both are worse than nothingness.
You have no idea what you're talking about any more, do you?
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VIII and Ultimania both share the same thing, but they are in different format. Therefore, not 100% canon.
That's not how canon works, sunshine.
Just 'money'.
So they're corrupt from the get go. Even when making VIII.
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If you have got some motivation, you're likely to create skills or some experience.
Not on the way to the interview, skippy.
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Then you have no motivation.
I have no motivation because I understand Japanese?
Sense, you make none of it.
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If it was a dummy text, it would be like just what you've said earlier, "fkufku agagag ekekekek wowowowo mamamamm kakakak kekeke woo ppeeeeeezz peko kmai odk sdijfsdfj siodjfosidj I9EW3DFKI KSDF MANj".
You do realize you've spelled 'gag', 'man', 'mama', and 'wow' in your string of dummy text? Hardly helping your idea that we'd never find real words or nearly so in dummy text.
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I'm talking about lions in the plot. Of course, lions in the gameplay world (such as on world map) aren't connected.
So which 'lions in the plot' do you refer to, then? Just to remind you, scenery isn't automatically plot.
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Why can't it be something else, not Lions? So, it must have a meaning.
Because Lions demonstrate the opulence and power of the person who owns the castle. They impress the visitors.
Concession accepted.
Any time you respond to me with single word responses or nonsense, I'm just going to accept you as having forfeited the point you were trying to make.
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It's been proven true that a lion represents bravery and loyalty. Squall himself said this in-game. He doesn't state a specific type of lion... he said it in general.
The lion is his symbol. That does not mean ALL lions are his symbol. Wings are Rinoa's symbol, but not all wings are her symbol.
Nope. Explain the logic underlying this conclusion.
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You're wrong.
I copy things from the game and paste them into here. How is that not relevant or related?
The things you say, the things you come up with, are irrelevant and unrelated.
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No, it's still not relevant. Criticising English =/= VIII.
It is relevant because if you make no sense, then you will say nothing but nonsense.
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I'm taking about you. Not myself. I copy things from the game, so that's not off-topic.
You are not 'copying' anything. You are making stuff up willy nilly and saying it's from the game.
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Not in this forum section.
You keep telling yourself that, sunshine.
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No, it's not normal. I create various views and you're arguing as if we are talking about one claim.
Statements such as that only convince me further that you're not actually reading or understanding anything I say.
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It's getting no where simply because this is all about "let me look at your flaws" and discuss them. You started it, not me.
It's getting no where because you constantly refuse to support any of your notions with anything but further notions, go on the defensive ANY time people take any umbrage with your asinine notions, make excuse after excuse to ignore anything you don't like, and just in general refuse to do the ONE THING you need to do in this thread, which is SUPPORT THE NOTIONS YOU ARE FORWARDING IN THESE VARIOUS THREADS WITH ACTUAL EVIDENCE AND WELL REASONED ARGUMENTS.
Stop acting like everything you say is patently obvious or that we're just picking on you to pick on you because NEITHER is true. You see links where none exist. You see 'identicalness' in everything, even in things which are nothing alike, or which are not being COMPARED to anything.
Kiddo, you need to take a step back and reevaluate what you're doing, because I'm NOT the only who thinks this. I might be the only one willing to speak my mind, but I guarundamntee you I do not think these things in isolation.
I say to you, snowflake, in ALL seriousness, that you should begin conducting yourself in the manner of a rational, intelligent discourse, if you want ANY hope of convincing ANYONE that you have a valid point to make.
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Yet you didn't provide evidence that they are actually meaningless.
And you didn't provide any evidence that they have any meaning. And that is the crux of the problem. You say they have meaning, but never support this idea, never fulfill your burden of proof. You want everyone else to do the work, when it's YOU who has to do it first!
