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[Serapy]

Then why bother fighting against this opinion?

I'm not. I'm fighting against you asserting it as fact.

It's like Good vs Evil. People can choose to be Good or Evil. You can apply the same thing to this.

I read VIII and I was then wronged by someone else for getting something wrong due to new-lol-canonised information from Ultimania. This time, I am told to read the Ultimania's translations and then I must change my view on VIII as a whole.

But this does not mean the Ultimania is invalid.

It's not that it's invalid. It's just annoying and stupid. What was Square's true intention of putting Japanese on Ultimania?

There's something wrong about this process. It's not my fault that I've got something wrong. It's Square's fault.

Yes, it IS your fault you got something wrong. They hold the information. That's their perogative.

It's not my fault that I don't understand Japanese. Therefore, it's not my fault that I got something wrong.

Ultimania is only exclusive to Japanese. If Square was so desperate to modify something in FF games and thus re-clarify our knowledges, they could of have added multi-languages support, but they didn't.

Again, this doesn't make it invalid at all.

Whether it's invalid or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is why Square targetted at Japanese audience. Square feeds the Japanese new information, not the West.

So, what could this mean? It could mean that Ultimania is not actually very important to people who don't understand Japanese. They have left us the original games in English and that's what matters.

No, the original games, and the international versions, are in Japanese. Square made the games and the Ultimanias in Japanese.

They gave us English VIII and that's it.
If they wanted to re-clarify the plot or whatever, they could of have added English or other languages. But they didn't, so it means... that it's not important.

It's completely wrong to use Ultimania as a whole to disprove something. 99% of the original plot and 1% Ultimania are fine, depending on the context.

It's not wrong in the slightest for a writer to release additional information regarding their series that disproves assumptions made about it. You just don't like it because it kills your pet theory.

I didn't create R=U. A mass amount of people did.

I never declared it to be invalid.

Yes you did. You are saying it doesn't count.

It's still better to focus on the orginal games, not Ultimanias.
Orginal games don't include mistakes, only Ultimanias do.

Partly. DigiCube Co was the company that released and published VIII Ultimania.

It wasn't my fault that my perspective contradicted the Ultimania.

You keep talking about 'not your fault' like it makes any difference. Your perspective is contradicted by the Ultimania. It takes precedence.

If Square added English to Ultimanias, it could make a bigger difference. Why didn't they market it worldwide? That's pretty good money, if you ask me.

There wasn't evidence regarding his sexuality in the series. And all of a sudden, Rowling claims that he's gay. That's the whole point.

And this contradicts nothing in the books. It is totally Rowling's right to do this.

It did contradict some people views.

Still relevant.

No, because it was an error made in the translation of the game's manual.

It's not just the manual. That's more than one error.

Thier mistakes have proved something. Therefore, it's better to focus on the original games and not to focus on the external sources.

They prove nothing, and the manual IS an external source by your logic. Not that the Ultimania is any more an 'external source' than J.K. Rowling is for Harry Potter.

Hmmm, the manual and the game were created at the same time. So, this manual doesn't qualify as an external source.

Addressing the explanation as to why the Kefka case is a contradiction is irrelevant. We are on the VIII board.

No it's not, because you listed it in the first place as an example of contradiction making official sources unreliable. So either concede this point or substantiate it.

Are you implying that the external sources are 100% reliable when in fact they have made some errors?

It's not wise to 100% trust them after they have made these mistakes.

Mistakes you claim they have made but have not substantiated, and do not justify outright disregarding the Ultimania as you would like to.

Go do some research, you'll find better information than I've explained in my previous post. No, don't ask me to explain 'cos I'm not claiming any theory.

According to your definition of 'troll', Lychon was definitely a troll. And yet, you gave up on him. See below for more explanation.

I didn't give up on him, I stopped responding to him because his long winded responses on nothing weren't even amusing to respond to any longer. Besides, he got banned immediately thereafter, making any response utterly redundant.

His English is far better than mine, though.

Four Greek persons < One Greek person? Really?

One greek person we know exists > Four greek people you say exist.
If you could provide evidence they exist and they say what you say they do, it would be different.

Latin - Is this Latin?
Is this modern or ancient Greek?

LOL! Their replies include words that are... striking, considering that they have never played VIII before.

They are both the same thing in terms of inaccuratity.

No. They aren't. One is 'They is doing something wrong', the other is 'adekjh wdkjuhfd fin ekfhsd'

Incorrect grammar = bad
Misspelt words = bad

So, they are the same!

So, if someone miserably adds something and that new data, which is deemed to be out of the ordinary, becomes equally as important as the orginal games? Right.

IF that data makes it through the editing process, then yes, it will be valid until it is overruled. That is how canon works.

I don't believe in canon, my friend.

It's possible. Impress your boss and he probably will approve it.

In which case, 'your boss' being the creator/s of the original game, will know if it it in line with their vision for the game, and approve or disapprove on that basis.

If it's something that will interest players, why not?

Anybody can have any job.

Can you be hired for this job?

It's impossible for someone to get a job that he/she desires?

I was just hypothesizing a scenario.

The likelihood of which is very very slim.

If nobody were greedy, then I could see your point. There are other factors to consider, too.

Not everybody will put the same identical characters.

But your Japanese would be random nonsense and maybe the occasional real word interspersed.

So, Square randomly adds text that serves no purpose and yet it's similar to one word that is relevant to the plot. That's one hell of a crazy coincidence, yo.

You're now claiming that Squall is linked with lions.

His name is Leonhart. His theme song is 'Maybe I'm a Lion'. His emblem is a lion.

So, in your logic, the lions on Ultimecia's castle are connected with Squall, too.

So, if Ultimecia has them on her castle, and considering that the visible comparison of between these visual images does exist, it must be true.

WHAT must be true? That the image you showed is relevant to FFVIII? That does not follow.

That his lions being connected with each other is true.

Squall having an obvious link to Lions does not substantiate your claim that that image has anything to do with FFVIII.

In your logic, his last name is not an obvious link with Lion, then.
Don't ever mention Kingdom Hearts. It's not connected with VIII.

If this thing has no possibility of drawing any conclusion, then what's the purpose of its existence when it, in fact, keeps showing up in more than one instance within the game? Why would the developers waste time on designing things that absolutely mean nothing?

Also, when you look at one thing, it's not a conclusion. A conclusion usually occurs at the end of the thinking process.

How does 'this thing' keep showing up? And yes, you are drawing conclusions from this thing.
As for why they'd design something without meaning 'It looks cool.'

If it keeps showing up in the game, it doesn't necessarily make it cool. There are too many things in the game that are already cool.

I shall accept this statement as meaningless.

But it's not meaningless. It's a referrer to my response to your identical statement elsewhere.

It is meaningless. Whatever you're agruing that's not relevant to VIII is always meaningless.

http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fan...ml#post1757460

Your excuse for not replying to him back is off topic? Well, well! Most of the things in our arguments are mostly off-topic as well!

You're partly responsible for making him get banned. And that administrator... Yeah.

Are you trying to DEFEND Lychon, Serapy? And are you saying that these discussions, which are talking about your claims, are off topic from the threads, which are about your claims?

Other than him criticising your English, I agree with some of his points based on VIII.

Your logic is so compelling. Back in '06, the phenomenon of 'trolls' wasn't widely acknowledged.

It wasn't?

I don't recall seeing people calling each other trolls upon my registration on this forum.

I beg to differ.

What, do you want to officially concede instead?

What are we talking about again?

And yet you act as if this is 100% fan-fiction. Exaggerating doesn't increase the level of your validity, you know.

You are asserting connections between things that have no connection. YOU, good sir, are the one engaging in exaggeration.

How do you know that they have no connection? Is there any secret dialogue that I'm missing?

You got ... Oh, wait. Never mind.

Blatant Red Herring noted and held against you. If it's not a theory, then what is it?

Interpretation.