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Hi, I have a very interesting theory to share. This particular old man, headmaster of Balamb garden, alway had young, inncoent and beautiful ladies around him. :bigsmile:
Being a healthy horny middle age man which his wife is alway away from him, do you think he is actually cheating on her? :bigsmile:
EVIDENCE: How do Quistis get promoted to instructor so fast? GENIUS!? More like GENIUS in bed with Cid! :mad2:
Discuss. :monster:
Well she does have a whip...
Brillant theory.
Cid and NORG forever.
I agree with the sex for position, but Cid wasn't cheating on Edea with her. Edea had fun with her too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
last poll option ftw.
"Headmaster Cid, the Garden Master summons you..." :tpg:Quote:
Originally Posted by McLovin'
And not just the good-looking women. Maybe in his old age he's looking a bit beyond the norm? I mean, I was always wondering how SeeD were able to spend so much time on their fashion-sense and hairstyles, considering how busy (presumably) their lives are.
I.e. I'd go gay for Squall and so would Cid.
I think that one of Cid's reasons being with Matron was helping her to invent the Garden/SEED ideas. If it weren't for these ideas, Matron and Cid wouldn't be together at all.
And I don't think they really love each other. So, it's very possible that they have affairs.
Barraza, Cid is 39. Hardly in his old age.
And Serapy, they were married before the orphanage opened, much less Garden.
EVERYTHING include the monsters in the training center just to let everyone know! :bigsmile:
Ewwwwww. I don't like to think that last one is true. That's definatly too disturbing.
If Cid does :heart: NORG, how would he do it back with Cid?
Cid is a dirty old man. If he can do it with a T-Rex in the training Centre, Norg is really nothing. :ursula:
Yeah, but all work and no recieving butt sex makes Cid a bored old man.
At least male T-Rex's have a penis to return the favor.
Well, who wouldn't do Xu?
Hot pixelated action.
Imagine what NORG can do with those long fingers o' his~~~~ :bigsmile::choc:Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
Spread his SeeD around (cheap). Maybe if you lose a game of Triple Triad against him, he makes you...?
Maybe Edea is the one cheating...after all how did she become the Ambassador so fast? Some late night action with ol President Deiling?
>>> Cid cheating on Edea? Ha, dont make me laugh..http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...Walk-Front.gif
If that is the case, is Cid a eunuch? :gruffi:
>>> FF8 Cid obviously had an Erectile Dysfunction, and of course a super hot lady like Edea cant have something that so she just dumped him. Case closed..http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...Walk-Front.gif
Destiny. Cid and Matron are together for a reason. The universe accounts for everything. When the universe detects something (Squall travelling through time) that's occured out of no where in the past, it corrects the course by making Cid and Matron destined to be together beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
It is also destiny that Cid cheat on Edea. :(
I'm not sure.
Cid pays for sex with prostitutes?
Would that explain why Cid got very mad at NORG because he wanted more money? Looked like he was pretty short on money...
And remember Rinoa's train mission? The SeeDs paychecks... Hmmm, Cid offered these paychecks for sex with Rinoa because he was short on money?
It's all destiny.
I'll take the hidden option - Cid Cheating with Kadowaki and Quistis and Xu
YEE-AW
The reason being, is that Balamb's Seeds being mercenaries for hire is just a cover up. Balamb Garden's true purpose is to serve as a whore-house for Cid's pimp operation.
Where is Future Esthar when I need him? He can prove it. Maybe if we all say the name in unison 3 times he'll appear.
Future Esthar!
Future Esthar!
Future Esthar!
Try it the name 3 times backwards while listening to Eyes On Me backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazybayman
Yes. Because- setting aside the lulz of the topic aside for the moment- they most likely loved each other. They didn't just randomly get together with no clue just because the universe said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
So because Squall went back in time to after they were married, the universe made sure they were already married?Quote:
The universe accounts for everything. When the universe detects something (Squall travelling through time) that's occured out of no where in the past, it corrects the course by making Cid and Matron destined to be together beforehand.
And it did this... why?
This is an infalsifiable theory, Serapy.
Is it really cheating when she encourages and enjoys it too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
They keep thier distance most of the time in VIII... I don't think they actually loved each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeYes. Because- setting aside the lulz of the topic aside for the moment- they most likely loved each other. They didn't just randomly get together with no clue just because the universe said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Because if Cid and Matron were never together, how can Squall let them know about the garden / seed? That would cause a time paradoxQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
You manage to turn this joke poll into a serious debate, I applaude you.
They were apart because EDEA WAS POSSESSED and new she would be a threat. After she gives up her power we see them at the Orphanage, and and at the end of the game, they are again together, with her looking normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
1. Her name is Edea.Quote:
Because if Cid and Matron were never together, how can Squall let them know about the garden / seed? That would cause a time paradox
2. It's not necessary for them to be married for Edea to tell Cid about this fact.
3. It's ALREADY a time paradox.
Back on topic- who do you think Edea got to sleep with as part of her and Cid's open marriage?
If Cid really loved Matron, he would come closer to her, cry with her, or whatever. He didn't. Instead, he used his head to take care of the situation; by ordering the SEEDs to kill the sorceresses.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeThey were apart because EDEA WAS POSSESSED and new she would be a threat. After she gives up her power we see them at the Orphanage, and and at the end of the game, they are again together, with her looking normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Cid didn't even look that bad when he's acknowledged that you're ordered to assassinate Edea.
The ending party is a different story. Of course, why wouldn't they be together when everybody else were celebrating?
It's Matron. Edea was just a code name for her being a sorceress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Guaranteed financial control and/or preventing lawsuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
If it was a time paradox, he wouldn't be able to tell Matron about the ideas at all. Actually, we don't know what kind of impacts do time paradoxes bring in VIII, do we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Defeating Ultimecia causes the paradox dude.
Because he is her knight. A sorceress's knight is there to keep her from going crazy, or do horrible things. Or to take her down if she does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Because he knew this day would come. Time paradox, remember? It's why they put Ellone on a boat too.Quote:
Cid didn't even look that bad when he's acknowledged that you're ordered to assassinate Edea.
Because they're 'together'. And Cid stayed with Edea at the orphanage for a chunk of the game after stepping down as Headmaster.Quote:
The ending party is a different story. Of course, why wouldn't they be together when everybody else were celebrating?
No, you benighted ninny. Matron isn't a name, it's a title, like nanny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
It is not required for them to be married for Edea to tell Cid about this and let him act on it. In fact, them being married makes the plan more prone to takeover by possessed Edea due to property by the entirety.Quote:
Guaranteed financial control and/or preventing lawsuits.
You don't know what a temporal paradox is, do you?Quote:
If it was a time paradox, he wouldn't be able to tell Matron about the ideas at all. Actually, we don't know what kind of impacts do time paradoxes bring in VIII, do we?
In any case, Squall telling Edea about Garden and SeeD is an information paradox, like handing your past self the plans to a time machine, the same plans you used to build your own machine.
Ha, he called you a benighted ninny.
Compared to Squall or Seifer, Cid doesn't seem to have the qualities of a knight.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeBecause he is her knight. A sorceress's knight is there to keep her from going crazy, or do horrible things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
That statement of yours is a bit hinting at R=U right there. Squall killing Rinoa in the future because of what she's about to achieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
It doesn't matter where they put Ellone because Ultimecia always will fail. Just like what happened with the Adel situation. After when Squall travels back to the past and informs Matron of the Garden / SEED ideas, time will be set in stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Ultimecia is ultra powerful. If you were Ultimecia and when you roll a dice of probabilities of killing someone entirely based on your spells and circumstances, and thier surroundings, some tiny numbers will tell you that you will kill at least one person. Unfortunately, the main characters in VIII have survived without any problem.
Time is set in stone at this point. Hell, if Ultimecia throws a zillion of ice strikes into Squall, he will always survive somehow!
I've already gathered that they are together. But them being together doesn't prove that they actually love each other. To me, Cid and Matron are... just one of these regular couples who cares about each other, and that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Matron is the person who Squall / Co. remember fondly. A person who was kind, nice, lovely and helpful back then. These things are what the party fond of and therefore they simply call her Matron. Squall even calls Edea Matron later in the game, which proves that Squall rather calls her Matron instead of Edea. So, why should they call her Edea, instead of Matron?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
When the party were younger, they were never told the 'Edea' word.
The first time when the party hears 'Edea', like she was some bad ass villain who wanted to rule everything.
I'm talking about the real person here, Matron. Not Edea. It's easier to clear up the confusion, too.
Oh, and thanks for calling that name. I'll be sure to add it to my vocabulary, hope you don't mind.
Perhaps, destiny is what made them marry each other. If they weren't married, there may have been... more worse incidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Guess Ellone was wrong, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
OK, so we're all convinced that Cid and Edea have to love each other and be together, that's fine. It's sweet, even.
But we're talking about random, casual, sometimes anonymous sex. Maybe Cid and Edea are together, but that doesn't mean that Cid doesn't get some from Quistis. or squall.
But a night he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Instead of doing it in time to prevent the whole scheme.Quote:
That statement of yours is a bit hinting at R=U right there. Squall killing Rinoa in the future because of what she's about to achieve.
And it's not 'a hint' at all. It's again an assertion of people to try and support R=U. Hints and evidence are based in facts, not grasping at straws.
And because of that, Cid must allow Edea to become possessed, must allow SeeD to try and strike his wife down, they must put Ellone on a boat, etc. This explains everything that you say shows Cid didn't love Edea as them going through the motions, but none of that applies to before Squall's trip, so they were acting of their own initiative when the married.Quote:
It doesn't matter where they put Ellone because Ultimecia always will fail. Just like what happened with the Adel situation. After when Squall travels back to the past and informs Matron of the Garden / SEED ideas, time will be set in stone.
Unless, of course, time is perfectly fixed and there is no free will and no one loves anything because it's just about what time wills.
Or maybe she's not as ultra powerful as you might think.Quote:
Ultimecia is ultra powerful. If you were Ultimecia and when you roll a dice of probabilities of killing someone entirely based on your spells and circumstances, and thier surroundings, some tiny numbers will tell you that you will kill at least one person. Unfortunately, the main characters in VIII have survived without any problem.
All of which means nothing to the period outside of the time loop unless all time is fixed.Quote:
Time is set in stone at this point. Hell, if Ultimecia throws a zillion of ice strikes into Squall, he will always survive somehow!
'Regular' couples have what is considered love for each other, dweller.Quote:
I've already gathered that they are together. But them being together doesn't prove that they actually love each other. To me, Cid and Matron are... just one of these regular couples who cares about each other, and that's about it.
And Edea.
"Nannie is the person who Kermit / Co. remember fondly. A person who was kind, nice, lovely and helpful back then. These things are what the muppets are fond of and therefore they simply call her Nannie. Kermit even calls her Nannie later in life, which proves that Kermit remembers her as Nannie and not anything else. So, why should they call her something other than Nannie?"Quote:
Matron is the person who Squall / Co. remember fondly. A person who was kind, nice, lovely and helpful back then. These things are what the party fond of and therefore they simply call her Matron. Squall even calls Edea Matron later in the game, which proves that Squall rather calls her Matron instead of Edea. So, why should they call her Edea, instead of Matron?
Your argument, in a nutshell.
They were kids growing up calling her by her title 'Matron', so it became ingrained. Edea is her name. Matron is her title. She would be Matron Edea Kramer.
So, if I grow up calling my best friend's mom by her surname, and only hear her given name when I grow up, her given name isn't real?Quote:
When the party were younger, they were never told the 'Edea' word.
The first time when the party hears 'Edea', like she was some bad ass villain who wanted to rule everything.
Edea and Matron are the same person. She's Edea even well after Ultimecia has left her. She is Edea even before Ultimecia enters her, in Squall's trip to the past.Quote:
I'm talking about the real person here, Matron. Not Edea. It's easier to clear up the confusion, too.
You'd do better to add better grammar and vocabulary to your lexicon first, dweller.Quote:
Oh, and thanks for calling that name. I'll be sure to add it to my vocabulary, hope you don't mind.
Which you say based on?Quote:
Perhaps, destiny is what made them marry each other. If they weren't married, there may have been... more worse incidents.
No, because even if you can't change the past, it's still a paradox.Quote:
Guess Ellone was wrong, then.
Or both!Quote:
Originally Posted by Barraza
And let's not even talk about how much of Galbadia Edea slept with.
I'm cracking up here.
I think he was boning the bridge.
But a day he isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeBut a night he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Yet you called Cid Edea's knight. If I was you, I'd be saying 'Where is this evidence?'. Common sense does not equal evidence!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Cid told us that he will take 'Edea' if she takes too far. Later, he did take her down by allowing the SEEDs to dog her.
Ok, that shouldn't affect Matron. Matron seems to be okay - happy pre- ending.
Squall wants to be Rinoa's knight. Oh, why now?
And in the end, Ultimecia gets killed. Ok, that shouldn't affect anything. Rinoa seems to be okay - happy ending.
Of course, there's no evidence that these are connected. But who cares, this is a Final Fantasy game.
Just like in Squall's case. At the beginning, he ignores Rinoa and being moody. Etc etc etc. Later into the game, it's becoming more apparent that his attitude's changed and starts to love Rinoa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I think the Destiny Wall affects Rinoa more than Squall.
How is having any time magic not powerful?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I'm talking about the couples in VIII, stop applying real life standards to VIII too much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
No. If they call her Edea now, they will remember the 'Shooting at her' incident. They don't want to remember that, so they call her Matron. This is evident later into the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
No, I didn't say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
When you think of Edea in your head. What would she look like? That's my point...
Squall calls her Matron at that point in the childhood past. He knows that Edea is her name, but he called her Matron anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Of course they are the same person.
Touché. It's becoming more apparent that your criticism of my English and calling me names are now part of your agruements. How illogical! :roll2:roll2:roll2:roll2Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
If they weren't married, they would be facing the Incident like in Lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
So, is there something Ellone or Dr. Odine not telling us ... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
And so he is a 'Kanigget.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
All Sorceresses must have knights, lest they go crazy. This is an established fact of the series. As no one else acts as her knight, it makes sense that it would be Cid. Now, it COULD be someone else, but that would be aparsimonious.Quote:
Yet you called Cid Edea's knight. If I was you, I'd be saying 'Where is this evidence?'. Common sense does not equal evidence!
Edea is Matron. There is no distinction between the two. Edea does not stop being either Matron or Edea during her possession.Quote:
Cid told us that he will take 'Edea' if she takes too far. Later, he did take her down by allowing the SEEDs to dog her.
Ok, that shouldn't affect Matron. Matron seems to be okay - happy pre- ending.
So she'll be okay. So she won't have to be taken out.Quote:
Squall wants to be Rinoa's knight. Oh, why now?
And in the end, Ultimecia gets killed. Ok, that shouldn't affect anything. Rinoa seems to be okay - happy ending.
And that attitude is why you fail.Quote:
Of course, there's no evidence that these are connected. But who cares, this is a Final Fantasy game.
So, Squall is the one whose opinion changes, yet Rinoa is more affected.Quote:
Just like in Squall's case. At the beginning, he ignores Rinoa and being moody. Etc etc etc. Later into the game, it's becoming more apparent that his attitude's changed and starts to love Rinoa.
I think the Destiny Wall affects Rinoa more than Squall.
And how does this prove Cid doesn't love Edea? Because if destiny forced them to get married, it could and would make sure they loved each other too.
ANY time magic? JME is not her magic. Time compression required JME and the original ellone to cast. It was her attempt to gain more power.Quote:
How is having any time magic not powerful?
And that is why you fail. FFVIII only makes sense through the lens of the real world we compare it to.Quote:
I'm talking about the couples in VIII, stop applying real life standards to VIII too much!
They call her Matron because they called her that their entire life. This does not mean her name is not Edea, as she is referred to at all times by the game, her stat block, the Ultimania, etc.Quote:
No. If they call her Edea now, they will remember the 'Shooting at her' incident. They don't want to remember that, so they call her Matron. This is evident later into the game.
Again, this is like saying I called someone whose real name is Katherine 'Gaga' growing up, and if I still call her 'Gaga', her name is not Katherine.
I think of the woman who Cid married, who ran and orphanage, and who was later possessed. A woman who was called Matron by those children she cared for.Quote:
No, I didn't say that.
When you think of Edea in your head. What would she look like? That's my point...
So you are essentially making a giant fuss out of nothing, because any half sane person who plays this game can easily distinguish between Free Edea and Possessed Edea without having to insist that there is some important distinction between 'Edea' and 'Matron'Quote:
Squall calls her Matron at that point in the childhood past. He knows that Edea is her name, but he called her Matron anyway.
Of course they are the same person.
No, dweller, they are ancillary criticisms of your arguments. I would never be so petty as to make such an ad hominem in place of duly criticizing the fallacious trolljobs that are your arguments.Quote:
Touché. It's becoming more apparent that your criticism of my English and calling me names are now part of your agruements. How illogical! :roll2:roll2:roll2:roll2
Which is, and which you know would apply in this instance BECAUSE?Quote:
If they weren't married, they would be facing the Incident like in Lost.
No, but there's something you don't understand about the nature of causality and paradox.Quote:
So, is there something Ellone or Dr. Odine not telling us ... ?
I'm sorry, bridge dweller, did you forget this is a 'for the lulz' topic?Quote:
:rolleyes2
And so he is a 'Tegginak.'Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeAnd so he is a 'Kanigget.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Adel had a knight? It seems that he/she failed at protecting Adel, then. Or perhaps, she didn't have a knight the whole time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
No, Seifer doesn't count.
And your point being? I've never once said that they are different persons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Regardless of how bad the situation is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Please justify that that wasn't a personal attack. You're the one who called me undefined names- such names that are replaced with actual swearing words to escape the forum's rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
We are arguing about VIII, not about ourselves. You have just proved how illogical your statement really is.
Because Squall is the main character. If he keeps the same due to destiny, that would be boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Of course, destiny can't just make them marry each other and have Cid act like 'What's happening!?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
No, I'm talking about her own spells. So, how are her spells not powerful? For example, her manifiesting ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Sure, these aren't powerful in terms of destiny, but ...
Some, but not all. Also, :rolleyes2:rolleyes2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
No. They call her Matron simply because of thier memories in the past. It doesn't make Matron any different than Edea. I'm calling her Matron because I'm sided with the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Well, that doesn't work like that for me. Whenever I think of something in my head, I draw a visual image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I didn't start this, you know. I called her Matron and look at what happened after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
If you were actually criticising my agruements, you would be saying things like 'stupid agruement', 'bad agruement', or something like that. Calling the responsible person names directly, who made certain arguements, have nothing to do with 'criticising my arguements.' In other words,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7663/popop.jpg
Black line is fine.
Blue line is not cool. Meh, this is the Internet after all.
Because I said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
You have never experienced them within the game. So, please elaborate. As you recall, time travel in VIII is not exactly the same as the one time travel theory in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Yet you quoted all of my text in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Keep it civil, guys. I don't want to have to start actually reading all these posts to see if you're crossing the line.
Now now, don't make me get Cid in here to give you both detention.
YOU DO NOT WANT DETENTION WITH CID.
You'll be able to shove an apple up your ass for about a month afterwards.
And so you've lost the flow of the joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
Adel not having a Knight is considered why she went insane and corrupted so badly, yes.Quote:
Adel had a knight? It seems that he/she failed at protecting Adel, then. Or perhaps, she didn't have a knight the whole time.
No, Seifer doesn't count.
No, just that 'Matron' is her real name and 'Edea' isn't.Quote:
And your point being? I've never once said that they are different persons.
Yes, Squall will be there by her side even if the whole world is against her. No Squall by Ultimecia's side.Quote:
Regardless of how bad the situation is.
R!=U.
'Who cares, it doesn't matter, it's just a FF' is the very reason your theories generally fail. Because they fail to account for variables they should because you don't think they are important, 'because it's just a FF'Quote:
Please justify that that wasn't a personal attack. You're the one who called me undefined names- such names that are replaced with actual swearing words to escape the forum's rules.
No, because my statement has perfect relevance. It is a quote meaning that 'Your mindset has kept you from succeeding'. Yoda, anyone?Quote:
We are arguing about VIII, not about ourselves. You have just proved how illogical your statement really is.
But he's the one changing, not Rinoa. So how is HE less affected?Quote:
Because Squall is the main character. If he keeps the same due to destiny, that would be boring.
So, in short, your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is a non starter, since their being married due to 'destiny' is no different than their being married due to love, since destiny will make them love each other.Quote:
Of course, destiny can't just make them marry each other and have Cid act like 'What's happening!?'
Manifesting ability? Possessing people with JME, you mean?Quote:
No, I'm talking about her own spells. So, how are her spells not powerful? For example, her manifiesting ability.
Sure, these aren't powerful in terms of destiny, but ...
Interpersonal relationships are ESPECIALLY the sort of thing we can only properly understand by comparing them to real world examples.Quote:
Some, but not all. Also, :rolleyes2:rolleyes2.
... Even though it is completely and utterly unnecessary, and the very game itself calls her Edea?Quote:
No. They call her Matron simply because of thier memories in the past. It doesn't make Matron any different than Edea. I'm calling her Matron because I'm sided with the party.
How does that change anything? So do I. But I can hold Edea at the orphanage, Edea possessed, and Edea at the end all with just one name.Quote:
Well, that doesn't work like that for me. Whenever I think of something in my head, I draw a visual image.
Yes, I said her name was Edea, and you went on a crusade to justify a 'difference' of some sort between Edea and 'Matron'Quote:
I didn't start this, you know. I called her Matron and look at what happened after that.
If I attack your argument and then make an attack against you personally, I am still attacking your argument. No fallacy has been committed.Quote:
If you were actually criticising my agruements, you would be saying things like 'stupid agruement', 'bad agruement', or something like that. Calling the responsible person names directly, who made certain arguements, have nothing to do with 'criticising my arguements.' In other words,
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7663/popop.jpg
Black line is fine.
Blue line is not cool. Meh, this is the Internet after all.
Interestingly, however, your diagram DOES commit a fallacy, again that of the really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking., in which you have failed to note your statements which prompted my comments towards you- based originally on your really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.ning, hilariously enough- and reducing all that I have said, the vast majority of my responses to you, in direct criticism of your theories, not you, to simply 'bad'. I have been more than patient, more than eloquent in explaining why your theories are baseless. It is only when you have said such things as 'Parsimony and logic are bad' and have really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.ned my responses or otherwise acted without intellectual honesty that such invectives have been directed your way, and not undeservedly, in my opinion.
Concession duly accepted for neither explaining this incident or why it would apply were the two not married.Quote:
Because I said so.
Paradox is paradox even in a 'fixed' temporal concept.Quote:
You have never experienced them within the game. So, please elaborate. As you recall, time travel in VIII is not exactly the same as the one time travel theory in real life.
I know I did. I did it for the Lulz!Quote:
Yet you quoted all of my text in the first place.
I don't think I am, but I'll try and keep my temper in check, even when he says evidence, logic, parsimony, etc. are useless and deserves wrath directed at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzien
I guess since Cid is Robin Williams, there were those things with Valerie Velardi and Marsha Garces Williams...
Sometimes Serapy for you, a question like this thread topic can be answered by a simple Yes or No from you. :hat:
So THAT'S why Irvine is so confident with the ladies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
My First Sex Teacher
Starring Edea
and Irvine
My previous statement didn't cause any loss, and therefore, I don't see how this kind of outcome supports your claim. After all, I've only spelt 'Kanigget' backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeAnd so you've lost the flow of the joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
So, according to your logic, Ultimecia went insane because she didn't have a knight with her?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
How should we feel in this instance? Come on, we can't just ignore feelings and focus on facts instead. That's utterly impossible, especially in Squall's case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Cid was willing to take 'Edea' down. If Cid was Squall, I doubt he would have done the same thing. If the Wall of Destiny told Squall to kill Rinoa, I doubt he would do it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Wait, one tiny statement can become a theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Arguments do not equal to actual persons. Most of all, arguments do not entirely reflect a person. So, calling names is completely irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
However, if my argument was based on ourselves, then that's a different story.
You base your knowledge on making an argument. So, how arguments and personalities/attitudes are connected is way beyond me.
My agruement is based on VIII, and your response included a criticism of my English which was completely irrelevant and unnecessary. Knowing that it's impossible to be correct at all the time, so how is getting called names if I become wrong is way beyond me. And, I cannot think of a reason how is that not illogical!
You calling me names and criticising my English as a result of you being annoyed by my responses, which is most likely to be the culprit.
Destiny smashed him at the end. Fortunately, he's survived.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Them meeting each other was the turning point and that was it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Pulling something out of some egg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
We can relate to things such as personalities, relationships, clothes etc. We don't easily relate to things that don't exist in reality. Those things that don't exist in reality are more difficult to analyse, especially when not being told in dialogues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Then why did the game make Squall and Co. call her Matron? These are the good guys, and I'm siding with them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Wait a second, you said that Matron is a nurse title. That's funny, then. Squall and the party calling her NURSE NURSE... N.U.R.S.E NURRRRRRRRSEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's ok, it wasn't your fault!
I don't think it changes anything. On some note, though, can you teach me how to make my 'Edea' variable declare a visual image of black clothes, long hair and kind words? I would appreciate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
You said that it was Edea, not Matron. So, what was I supposed to do then? After I replied back, then you reply back and the cycle keeps repeating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Calling me names to attack my arguments... Indirectly, yes. Directly, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9247/popop2.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Better? The only difference is that I didn't call you names or criticise your English. That's why I didn't add a line from my lolbox to your lolbox.
As for the 'bad' word, your responses to my statements were negative. The 'bad' word has a negative effect too. The diagram would be huge if I added actual words.
What can I say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I meant that if they have never met before, the answer would be obvious, wouldn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
But the point still remains, we have never experienced them within the game. How can we know for sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
This thread is warranted enough to be not serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Yes, and Kagnigget is a phonetic spelling of the 'ye olde' pronunciation of Knight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
It's highly likely.Quote:
So, according to your logic, Ultimecia went insane because she didn't have a knight with her?
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How should we feel in this instance? Come on, we can't just ignore feelings and focus on facts instead. That's utterly impossible, especially in Squall's case.
You want us to IGNORE FACTS in a discussion on what someone's Real IE- Factual name is?
Oi.
Even though Squall promised Rinoa that he'd make sure she never harmed anyone. It wouldn't be this 'wall of destiny' concept you made up, which somehow some people can resist and others can forcing his hand, but his own promise.Quote:
Cid was willing to take 'Edea' down. If Cid was Squall, I doubt he would have done the same thing. If the Wall of Destiny told Squall to kill Rinoa, I doubt he would do it either.
That is typically how it works. Though to be more precise, it must first become a hypothesis, then be tested, then be graduated to theory.Quote:
Wait, one tiny statement can become a theory?
A criticism of your English that was not the criticism of your argument but completely ancillary to such.Quote:
Arguments do not equal to actual persons. Most of all, arguments do not entirely reflect a person. So, calling names is completely irrelevant.
However, if my argument was based on ourselves, then that's a different story.
You base your knowledge on making an argument. So, how arguments and personalities/attitudes are connected is way beyond me.
My agruement is based on VIII, and your response included a criticism of my English which was completely irrelevant and unnecessary. Knowing that it's impossible to be correct at all the time, so how is getting called names if I become wrong is way beyond me. And, I cannot think of a reason how is that not illogical!
And your English IS important because you need at least comprehensible English to express your concepts clearly.
And now you're engaging in playing the victim and making Ad Hominems against me, making your actions just as bad if not worse than any personal attacks I made ancillary to criticisms of your arguments.Quote:
You calling me names and criticising my English as a result of you being annoyed by my responses, which is most likely to be the culprit.
This notion does not address why if SQUALL was changing, Destiny was affecting RINOA.Quote:
Destiny smashed him at the end. Fortunately, he's survived.
Again, making their 'they didn't love each other, it was destiny' completely baseless and meaningless even in your own arguments.Quote:
Them meeting each other was the turning point and that was it.
Could you be less vague?Quote:
Pulling something out of some egg.
Even if this were completely true, it agrees with my assesment that interpersonal relationships are the things we can most analogize to real word relationships.Quote:
We can relate to things such as personalities, relationships, clothes etc. We don't easily relate to things that don't exist in reality. Those things that don't exist in reality are more difficult to analyse, especially when not being told in dialogues.
They are children who raised her. Her HUSBAND calls her Edea. He is also a good guy.Quote:
Then why did the game make Squall and Co. call her Matron? These are the good guys, and I'm siding with them!
... I did not use the word 'nurse' at all, Serapy. I SAID 'Matron' is a title. It CAN be a title for a nurse, but it can be a title for women in other positions, such as police, heads of orphanages (hint hint) and other roles.Quote:
Wait a second, you said that Matron is a nurse title. That's funny, then. Squall and the party calling her NURSE NURSE... N.U.R.S.E NURRRRRRRRSEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's ok, it wasn't your fault!
Why must it be taught?Quote:
I don't think it changes anything. On some note, though, can you teach me how to make my 'Edea' variable declare a visual image of black clothes, long hair and kind words? I would appreciate it.
You were acting like Matron was her name. I said Edea was her name. Matron is her title, a nickname perhaps, but only relevant in the context of her running an orphanage.Quote:
You said that it was Edea, not Matron. So, what was I supposed to do then? After I replied back, then you reply back and the cycle keeps repeating.
[QUOTECalling me names to attack my arguments... Indirectly, yes. Directly, no.[/quote]
No. My name calling of you is not an attack on your arguments. My attacks on your arguments are.
No, not better. Because you have not been shooting down the common sense reasons why your arguments are bad, going on red herring tangents, really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.ning me, all of which is worse than a little name calling in a debate.Quote:
Better? The only difference is that I didn't call you names or criticise your English. That's why I didn't add a line from my lolbox to your lolbox.
But you are paring it down to 'bad' instead of 'counterargument' or 'response'Quote:
As for the 'bad' word, your responses to my statements were negative. The 'bad' word has a negative effect too. The diagram would be huge if I added actual words.
You can start by using the common logical rules of rational discourse that you should be using.Quote:
What can I say?
What prevents it from working with someone else?Quote:
I meant that if they have never met before, the answer would be obvious, wouldn't it?
And even then 'had never met' is a major goalpost shift from 'if they weren't married'.
Goalpost shifting is another reprehensible debating tactic.
We HAVE experienced a paradox in game. The information paradox.Quote:
But the point still remains, we have never experienced them within the game. How can we know for sure?
This thread was intended to not be serious.Quote:
This thread is warranted enough to be not serious?
Thgink fo noitaicnunorp 'edlo ey' eht fo gnilleps citenohp a si teggingak dna, sey.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeYes, and Kagnigget is a phonetic spelling of the 'ye olde' pronunciation of Knight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
So, Adel doesn't have a knight and thereby she goes insane. You used this conclusion to claim that Ultimecia went insane because she didn't have a knight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Her mindset isn't fact, though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I didn't make it up. The game did. Time becomes set in stone after Squall's conversation with 'Edea' at the beginning. Everything between that timeline and the timeline when Ultimecia dies become destined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Then my tiny statement isn't a theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
You corrected some of my words. My misspelt words were already obvious enough to be acknowledged. I only missed a letter, or obvious because I put a wrong letter. So, how is that not obvious? Therefore, correcting these obvious words are not warranted enough to support your point, and thus, it has nothing to do with our arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I didn't start it, though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Who made everything become destined? That person was Squall. That's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
So are your counter claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Pulling Griever out of Squall's head. All of our heads are shaped like eggs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Therefore, we cannot just base on our laws to analyse VIII's nonexistent things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
As for him being a good guy is debatable. It really depends on your view on Good / Evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
See? They call her Matron for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
So then I'll concede to your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
She no longer runs an orphanage and yet they are still calling her Matron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
How is calling someone names not directed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Common sense and logic aren't that important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
LOL! Why does this diagram have to be more scientific? It looks pretty equal to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I already have done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
If Squall told Edea the idea of SEEDs / Gardens, and later Edea never shared it someone else (e.g. Cid), what would happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Them getting married or not isn't relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
That's not even a paradox! I'm talking about paradoxes that blow up the whole universe!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I'm not that cruel, don't blame me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Nope. Not amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
No, it's not circular reasoning. We know Adel went crazy for lack of a knight. It's known in universe sorceresses go crazy for lack of a knight. Ultimecia is crazy AND has no knight. Hardly circular.Quote:
So, Adel doesn't have a knight and thereby she goes insane. You used this conclusion to claim that Ultimecia went insane because she didn't have a knight?
Her mindset, however, is irrelevant, regarding what her name is.Quote:
Her mindset isn't fact, though!
Which A: Doesn't affect the relationship between Cid and Edea which occurred before this, and B: would affect everyone after it period, making your excuses for Cid not loving Edea utterly moot.Quote:
I didn't make it up. The game did. Time becomes set in stone after Squall's conversation with 'Edea' at the beginning. Everything between that timeline and the timeline when Ultimecia dies become destined.
I know you're completely desperate to avoid having to back up all of your assertions, but theory, hypothesis, assertion, they all suffer the burden of proof.Quote:
Then my tiny statement isn't a theory.
Hence why I called them ancillary to the actual arguments. But it's not just misspelled words, kiddo. You're nigh incomprehensible at times.Quote:
You corrected some of my words. My misspelt words were already obvious enough to be acknowledged. I only missed a letter, or obvious because I put a wrong letter. So, how is that not obvious? Therefore, correcting these obvious words are not warranted enough to support your point, and thus, it has nothing to do with our arguments.
Which, AGAIN, does not address why Rinoa, not Squall, is affected while Squall is changing.Quote:
Who made everything become destined? That person was Squall. That's why.
So now it's down to a 'I know you are but what am I' slap fest?Quote:
So are your counter claims.
All my counterarguments are are pointing out gaps in your logic.
No they aren't, and this isn't 'pulling something out of an egg' any more than any other drawing of a GF is.Quote:
Pulling Griever out of Squall's head. All of our heads are shaped like eggs.
But RELATIONSHIPS are not among those things, so it's COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.Quote:
Therefore, we cannot just base on our laws to analyse VIII's nonexistent things.
THE GAME ITSELF calls her EDEA.Quote:
As for him being a good guy is debatable. It really depends on your view on Good / Evil.
I never said they didn't, and acting like I did is just another really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.. My argument is simply that EDEA IS HER NAME and MATRON IS NOTHING BUT A TITLE.Quote:
See? They call her Matron for a reason.
Because how do they know her from? The context of her running an orphanage.Quote:
She no longer runs an orphanage and yet they are still calling her Matron.
Because it's not directed at your arguments, but the way you've been conducting yourself. Unless you're trying to say you're criticizing my counterarguments by getting mad at me 'calling you names'Quote:
How is calling someone names not directed?
YES THEY ARE. They are fundamental.Quote:
Common sense and logic aren't that important.
The diagram is utterly unnecessary in the first place.Quote:
LOL! Why does this diagram have to be more scientific? It looks pretty equal to me.
No you haven't. You've even declared logic and common sense unnecessary, refuse to fulfill your burden of proof, commonly address things other than my counterarguments, and generally act in poor debate fashion.Quote:
I already have done that.
Again, what keeps Edea from simply telling someone else?Quote:
If Squall told Edea the idea of SEEDs / Gardens, and later Edea never shared it someone else (e.g. Cid), what would happen?
You previously said it was.Quote:
Them getting married or not isn't relevant.
The information paradox IS a paradox.Quote:
That's not even a paradox! I'm talking about paradoxes that blow up the whole universe!
Not all paradoxes needs to explode the known universe.
That makes absolutely no gorram sense.Quote:
I'm not that cruel, don't blame me.
Wow...
I'm thinking him and Xu had something going...
I'm not surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeNope. Not amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
It's not circular reasoning, how? You've used the 'universe sorceresses go crazy for lack of a knight' premise to claim that Ultimecia and Adel went crazy simply because they lack thier own knights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
We cannot just assume that, because the backstory of Adel within the game isn't widely available, let alone Ultimecia's. We do not know what happened to themselves before the events that have brought them here.
The game has shown us Adel's imprisonment. So, I firmly believe that Adel went crazy due to her imprisonment. How can anybody not to become insane after being imprisoned for a long period of time?
Her mindset changes when she's possessed. How is that not relevant?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
But everything in that destined timeline cannot just appear magically or appear out of no where so that destiny can be followed. Everything before that timeline must be fixed in order to fuel the wall of Destiny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
The burden of proof also lands on yourself if you want to disprove my statements. But that's irrelevant anyway, because this is not a theory. What I did was along the lines of "What could this [insert thing here] mean, and then I express my opinion." That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm asserting my opinion as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Thank you, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
It wasn't just Rinoa that's affectedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
That's pretty hardcore. Pointing out gaps in anybody's opinion that's about the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Oh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I wasn't talking about relationships, I was talking about things such as time travel, time paradoxes and magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
But the game itself made Squall call her Matron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I have never neglected the fact that herself is actually Edea, not Matron. I was just trying to point out why Squall and the party called her Matron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
They've learnt that Matron is Edea, and later into the game (especially at the ending), they still call her Matron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
They do not want to call her Edea because of what exactly happened at Deling's city.
That was what I was trying to say. Anything that is pointed at things other than arguments are indirected, and therefore irrelevant. Well, me replying to your counterclaims regarding English was of course irrelevant, but I didn't start it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Isn't fantasy a pleasant situation that you enjoy thinking about, but which is unlikely to happen, or the activity of thinking itself? I don't see common sense or logic in that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I drew it to explain things better. It's not my fault as my English is terribly horrific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I already have! You're just refusing to believe them because they don't make sense in terms of fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
If Cid was nonexistent, imagine her telling one of the kids, "Yo, let's put some seed on the garden!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I think she was lonely. And Cid just came out of no where to save her. All hail to Destiny, respect!
I wronged that word, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
It's not relevant because of Destiny.
I think I need to get some drink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
How did this thread start from not serious to serious? I voiced my opinion in a very respectable manner and then ... all hell breaks loose!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
So you knew it was a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
I've used a previous established fact regarding how sorceresses go insane sans knights to explain why two insane sorceresses sans knights have gone mad.Quote:
It's not circular reasoning, how? You've used the 'universe sorceresses go crazy for lack of a knight' premise to claim that Ultimecia and Adel went crazy simply because they lack thier own knights.
Coming from you, THAT'S the height of hypocrisy.Quote:
We cannot just assume that, because the backstory of Adel within the game isn't widely available, let alone Ultimecia's. We do not know what happened to themselves before the events that have brought them here.
She was crazy beforehand, spanky.Quote:
The game has shown us Adel's imprisonment. So, I firmly believe that Adel went crazy due to her imprisonment. How can anybody not to become insane after being imprisoned for a long period of time?
Because it's irrelevant to what her name factually is.Quote:
Her mindset changes when she's possessed. How is that not relevant?
So ALL TIME is fixed, making ALL OF THIS moot.Quote:
But everything in that destined timeline cannot just appear magically or appear out of no where so that destiny can be followed. Everything before that timeline must be fixed in order to fuel the wall of Destiny.
No it doesn't. The default claim is the only one free from the burden of proof.Quote:
The burden of proof also lands on yourself if you want to disprove my statements.
Then concede this as ABSOLUTELY nothing more than your opinion, and not based in the game at all.Quote:
But that's irrelevant anyway, because this is not a theory. What I did was along the lines of "What could this [insert thing here] mean, and then I express my opinion." That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm asserting my opinion as fact.
That was not a compliment.Quote:
Thank you, sir.
So then bringing up Rinoa in the first place was COMPLETELY POINTLESS. Glad we settled that.Quote:
It wasn't just Rinoa that's affected
You can hide behind 'opinion' all you want, but unless it's PURELY subjective, you still have to support it somehow.Quote:
That's pretty hardcore. Pointing out gaps in anybody's opinion that's about the game.
Heads are not egg shaped.Quote:
Oh?
Which is UTTERLY OFF TOPIC to what you FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP ABOUT, which is HUMAN INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.Quote:
I wasn't talking about relationships, I was talking about things such as time travel, time paradoxes and magic.
And it makes the status menu, her dialogue bubbles, etc, all the impersonal, objective references to her that exist, call her EDEA.Quote:
But the game itself made Squall call her Matron.
And now you're shifting the goalposts. This entire bruhaha started because of you saying, AND I QUOTE "It's Matron. Edea was just a code name for her being a sorceress."Quote:
I have never neglected the fact that herself is actually Edea, not Matron. I was just trying to point out why Squall and the party called her Matron.
QED.
And I still call the lady who I grew up calling Gaga by the name Gaga, even though her name is Katherine.Quote:
They've learnt that Matron is Edea, and later into the game (especially at the ending), they still call her Matron.
Or because of habit.Quote:
They do not want to call her Edea because of what exactly happened at Deling's city.
I love how you're trying to repeat my vocabulary now.Quote:
That was what I was trying to say. Anything that is pointed at things other than arguments are indirected, and therefore irrelevant. Well, me replying to your counterclaims regarding English was of course irrelevant, but I didn't start it!
And your English ability is relevant, if of tertiary nature.
Common Sense and Logic are required to understand that fantasy, however.Quote:
Isn't fantasy a pleasant situation that you enjoy thinking about, but which is unlikely to happen, or the activity of thinking itself? I don't see common sense or logic in that!
Yes it is.Quote:
I drew it to explain things better. It's not my fault as my English is terribly horrific.
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I already have! You're just refusing to believe them because they don't make sense in terms of fantasy.
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"because they don't make sense"
Concession accepted.
Or imagine her telling another ADULT!Quote:
If Cid was nonexistent, imagine her telling one of the kids, "Yo, let's put some seed on the garden!"
Or they met, fell in love, and married. Parsimony. REPRESENT!Quote:
I think she was lonely. And Cid just came out of no where to save her. All hail to Destiny, respect!
You wronged more than a word, Serapy.Quote:
I wronged that word, sorry.
It's not relevant because of Destiny.
I think you don't understand paradox.Quote:
I think I need to get some drink.
Exactly. You gave a serious answer that made no sense.Quote:
How did this thread start from not serious to serious? I voiced my opinion in a very respectable manner and then ... all hell breaks loose!
Cid is dreaming about the time he can have wild adventures with :quina: again :kaoclove:
:quina: can GIVE and TAKE! Everyone wants :quina: :kaoclove:Quote:
Originally Posted by qwertysaur
Arguing about common sense, logic, or whatever that has nothing to do with VIII was always a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyushikazeSo you knew it was a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serapy
But that 'previous established fact regarding how sorceresses go insane sans knights' quote is considered as a conclusion. You used that conclusion to claim that Ultimecia went insane simply because she didn't have a knight. You cannot just assume that without knowing what exactly happened to Adel or Ultimecia before the game's timeline. It's still circular reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I've made various claims that don't connect with each other. That is not hypocrisy. At the end, I'll evaluate and choose which one to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Still, it wasn't mentioned whether she had a knight or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
We are not talking about what her real name is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Not all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Actually, it does. Because if you did that, all the arguments would have ended quickly. We are getting no where as of this moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Everything what I've said or displayed actually come from the game. The only difference is that I connected these dots together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Who said I was capable of being emotional?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Not technically. Zell, Selphie, Matron, etc were the first to face Squall. Rinoa is somewhere after that order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
There's nothing wrong with being a bit creative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
That was an analogy. Of course, they are not exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I withdrew something from the game because Cid and Edea were involved. How is that off-topic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
But you cannot just ignore the fact that it made Squall / Party call her Matron. I'm focusing on that fact, not the fact that her name is actually Edea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
No, I wasn't. I'm on Squall's side. So, I don't see how mentioning "it's Matron" would be morally incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
So?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
A lot of things have happened in VIII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
What I withdraw from the game is always more relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Brians are not designed to automate 'common sense' and 'logic' at the same time when inside a fantasy world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
No, it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
They don't make sense compared to our real world. So, you cannot just use your real world laws to adapt the VIII world's laws. That would be illogical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
We only see her and the kids at certain times. And on the world map, her house looks pretty... isolated from the other buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
That is circular reasoning, because you used the 'Cid and Edea are married' premise to claim that they actually have met and fell in love. Again, we don't know what happened to them before the game's timeline. You cannot just assume that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
That's nothing to do with parsimony, too.
Yeah, a sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
I do. Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
If it made no sense, why the need to fight against it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
Holy $h!t, are you people still seriously arguing about this?
Don't be hatin' on Cid. He can't help it if he's a playa'. Know'm sayin'.
Yes and I agree with the Quistis thing. And then she became unlicensed because Cid is getting too old for her and she said no.
You need this common sense and logic to prove any one of youre theories....Maybe if you would kindly use common sense and proper logic we wouldnt spend so much time discussing "whatever that has nothing to do with VIII"Quote:
Arguing about common sense, logic, or whatever that has nothing to do with VIII was always a bad idea.
The previous established fact is a fact not a conclusion. Upon that fact he made a reasonable and logical conclusion....it isnt neccessarily correct but it makes sense and is likely...which is more than i can say for youre conclusions.Quote:
But that 'previous established fact regarding how sorceresses go insane sans knights' quote is considered as a conclusion. You used that conclusion to claim that Ultimecia went insane simply because she didn't have a knight. You cannot just assume that without knowing what exactly happened to Adel or Ultimecia before the game's timeline. It's still circular reasoning.
I cant believe you had the audacity to say that he cant just assume something without knowing something for certain. Thats pretty much what you have been doing the entire time you have been in this thread. Hypocritical much?
He didnt say making baseless arguements are hypocritical. Hes telling you that after making all youre baseless assumptions its extremely hypocritical to turn right around and tell him "We cannot just assume that". At least his assumptions have proper evidence to support them.Quote:
I've made various claims that don't connect with each other. That is not hypocrisy. At the end, I'll evaluate and choose which one to believe.
It wasnt mentioned that Adel went crazy in prison either. Its completely fine to assume she had....as long as you provide evidence to support the assumption. Which his assumption has and youre assumption does not.Quote:
Still, it wasn't mentioned whether she had a knight or not.
Yes we are...you said her real name is Matron and Edea is just a codename for her being a sorceress or something.Quote:
We are not talking about what her real name is.
Tell you what.... if that isnt what were talking about....what in the smurf ARE we talking about?
ALL OF IT! You said youreself that EVERYTHING and i mean absoulutely EVERYTHING must be FIXED in order to fuel the wall of destiny.Quote:
Not all.
End of story.
No it does not....learn to debate.Quote:
Actually, it does. Because if you did that, all the arguments would have ended quickly. We are getting no where as of this moment.
Maybe these dots dont exist at all. Usually if the develeopers WANTED you to connect these dots they would give you little hints towards that conclusion. Like FACTUAL EVIDENCE for example to suggest at this. If there is no factual evidence theres a extremely good chance the develeopers simply didnt put any dots in there for you to connect.Quote:
Everything what I've said or displayed actually come from the game. The only difference is that I connected these dots together.
Youre human right? Then you are able to be emotional.Quote:
Who said I was capable of being emotional?
Irrelevant.Quote:
Not technically. Zell, Selphie, Matron, etc were the first to face Squall. Rinoa is somewhere after that order.
Youre not being creative...youre making baseless theories and frankly being a absoulute pain in the backside whenever someone attempts to disprove them despite how convincing the evidence is.Quote:
There's nothing wrong with being a bit creative.
An egg has NO features whatsoever that are similair to a humans head.Quote:
That was an analogy. Of course, they are not exactly the same.
Youre being off topic because we were discussing Interpersonal relationships and brought up irrelevant crap concerning magic and time travel etc.Quote:
I withdrew something from the game because Cid and Edea were involved. How is that off-topic?
No you were not. This arguement originally began because you said that Matron was her actual name. You went on to argue that shes Matron because Squall and Co call her so. When her actual and factual name is Edea. Ryu is correct and you wont admit it.Quote:
But you cannot just ignore the fact that it made Squall / Party call her Matron. I'm focusing on that fact, not the fact that her name is actually Edea.
While this has nothing to do with morals i think i know what youre trying to say....basically youre arguing that "I refer to her as Matron because Squall does and interpersonally i like that name so its fine that i refer to her as Matron" and with that i agree. Use any name you wish for her but dont go about correcting people whenever they call her Edea with "Its matron" because both names are acceptable.Quote:
No, I wasn't. I'm on Squall's side. So, I don't see how mentioning "it's Matron" would be morally incorrect.
Geez.
Do we really need to explain this? Really?Quote:
So?
And the majority of those things have nothing to do with the subject were discussing so that is irrelevant.Quote:
A lot of things have happened in VIII.
You are free to withdraw anything you want from the game as long as it is supported by factual evidence. You have withdrawed something that has no factual evidence suporting it. Provoide some or dimiss youre assumptions or theories or whatever the hell they are.Quote:
What I withdraw from the game is always more relevant.
What are you talking about?Quote:
Brians are not designed to automate 'common sense' and 'logic' at the same time when inside a fantasy world.
Protip: If youre English isnt that good...dont enter a debate.Quote:
No, it's not.
Some things inside the FFVIII world are indeed ficticious when compared to ours. The topic in particular you were discussing however is not. Interpersonal relationships are very similair to those expirienced in real life.Quote:
They don't make sense compared to our real world. So, you cannot just use your real world laws to adapt the VIII world's laws. That would be illogical.
Im sorry...its much more likely that she just told someone else...just because she is isolated does not mean she wasnt capable of telling someone.Quote:
We only see her and the kids at certain times. And on the world map, her house looks pretty... isolated from the other buildings.
If he "cannot just assume that" then you cant either so both theories are equally plausible.Quote:
That is circular reasoning, because you used the 'Cid and Edea are married' premise to claim that they actually have met and fell in love. Again, we don't know what happened to them before the game's timeline. You cannot just assume that.
Youre getting warmer....a little more.Quote:
Yeah, a sentence.
I seriously doubt you do.Quote:
I do. Do you?
Because youre trying to pass it off as something that is either true or at least plausible...when it cant be classified as either without sufficent evidence.Quote:
If it made no sense, why the need to fight against it?
C+R=U
I was thinking more along the lines of C + Q = UQuote:
Originally Posted by I Don't Need A Name