If Tifa and Aerith fought...

[Firo Volondé]

They look identical to regular humans but possess a unique ability to commune with the planet and to guide the flow of its spiritual energy. All ordinary humans can trace their origins to the Cetra, having ceased to become Ancients when they gave up their migratory life-style and link to the earth in favor of permanent settlements and a more relaxed way of living.

Repeat after me: Wikipedia is not a source.

Stop insulting Wikipedia and deny the statement. You didn't deny it, because you know it's true. Your only defense is the claim that Wikipedia doesn't verify its articles, which it does. Try making a spam thread and see how long it lasts. Wikipedia clearly states that it uses, among other sources, Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Ω, as evidence. Your arguments are easier to kill than Aeris.

Or rather, that Aerith is the only one capable of hearing the planet (which she canonically isn't, mind. Bugen comes to mind), if their abilities are genetic, seems incredibly unlikely.

Bugenhagen is not a Cetra. Otherwise he would have been imprisoned by Shinra, or certainly would have tried to use Holy, instead of giving Cloud and co. advice:

Bugenhagen: Holy... the ultimate White Magic. Magic that might stand against Meteor. Perhaps our last hope to save the planet from Meteor. If a soul seeking Holy reaches the planet, it will appear. Ho Ho Hoooo. Meteor, Weapon, everything will disappear. Perhaps, even ourselves.

Cloud: Even us!?

Bugenhagen: It is up to the planet to decide. What is best for the
planet. What is bad for the planet. All that is bad will disappear.
That is all. Ho Ho Hoooo. I wonder which we humans are?

Note I never said Bugen was a Cetra. Though it IS worth noting that your Bugen quote comes from him y'know, listening to the planet in the cascade.

You're right, you never said Bugen was a Cetra. Therefore, you brought up a totally useless point, as only Cetra can use the White Materia. My mistake.

Being a major plot device, the White Materia cannot be equipped or used in battle, and technically does not exist as an item at all in the game engine.

Repeat note regarding Wikipedia, also, relevance?

Repeat note regarding claiming Wikipedia is wrong, and not denying my statement because it's true. Please dig out your copy of FFVII (judging by your arguments, it hasn't been used in a long time), and try to equip the White Materia on somebody. What's that? You can't? Didn't think so. Also, if I remember correctly, you, Ryushikaze, said that:

Theoretically yes, though I'd give Cid a better chance than Barret. If a non cetra can use the horrendous kill 'em all weapon with just a little bit of study, it would only make sense that the override code could be activated similarly. Hell, I'd make it even EASIER. Every other Materia in existence has absolutely no racial limiter regarding its usage, merely the knowledge of its application, and this includes Meteor. That Holy is the sole exception does not follow.

Need I repeat my statement about White Materia being unequippable, even by the mighty Cid?

Aerith: Only a survivor of the Cetra, like me, can do it.

Yes, Aerith thinks she's the only one that can use it. She's not omniscient. Excuse me for not thinking the Cetra are complete smegheads and placed a ridiculous limiter on their override/ abort device.

*Sighs, and starts talking in the tone used to explain to a 4-year old fire is hot* Only Cetra can use Holy. Made-up words, like smeghead, make you look dumb.

Tifa can 1HKO Aerith, with Godhand/Deathblow.

I know! I'll use your own quote against you!

Well, if Aerith gets magic, why not Tifa? They both use materia to get it.

If Tifa gets deathblow, so does Aeris. So after she uses GG, she can use deathblow against Tifa. Bye-Bye Tifa!

lets not go down the road if and but's, Aerith did have holy and she was the only one who could have used Holy. Full stop.

She had Holy. She was not the only one who could have used it.

YES SHE WAS. SURELY IF ANYONE COULD DO IT, SHE WOULD'VE HAVE GONE ALONE?

Holy was useing Aerith? iv never heard such a ridiculas thing in my life, Holy is a materia and materia dont "use" people its the other way around Aerith used holy. Besides the Cetra were powerful magical beings, thats how Materia was made:

Cloud: By the way… Why is it that when you use materia you can also use magic
too?

Sephiroth: You were in SOLDIER and didn't even know that? …the knowledge and
wisdom of the Ancients is held in the materia. Anyone with this knowledge can
freely use the powers of the Land and the Planet. That knowledge interacts
between ourselves and the planet calling up magic……or so they say.

Thank you for proving my earlier point. However, Holy WANTED to be cast, since Meteor had been, and its purpose was to counteract it. People use materia, but when the materia wishes to be used, the dynamic changes slightly, would you not agree?

Very good. You managed to out-smart that person, if he or she even existed (I note you don't say who said it).

Cloud: By the way… Why is it that when you use materia you can also use magic

too?



Sephiroth: You were in SOLDIER and didn't even know that? …the knowledge and

wisdom of the Ancients is held in the materia. Anyone with this knowledge can

freely use the powers of the Land and the Planet. That knowledge interacts

between ourselves and the planet calling up magic……or so they say.

so that proves that anyone with the White Materia can summon holy. Aerith just happened to have a mother with that materia who gaved it to her.

No, Aerith is the only one who can use Holy: its a Cetra only spell if you will: it could be somthing akin to giveing a level 1 Cloud KotR: he does not have enough MP to use it end of story: let me put this clear to everyone: Aerith (being of the Cetra) is the ONLY one who can use Holy there is no if's or buts this is fact and trying to say otherwise is like trying to say the Sun is made of ice: clearly not true, you can try to say oh but this and oh but that but it will never happen: the reason Aerith had to die and was a threat to Sephiroth was for the sole reason that only she (being of the Cetra) can summon Holy. Is that clear enough for you?

did Mr. Gamescript state clearly that Aerith, and only Aerith can in fact summon holy and no one else can summon it because it's a Cetra only thing? So far, i've only seen statements that only Aerith can protect the planet but that could mean that only she has the materia and not that only she can summon and no else could. Unless you can bring proof that clearly states Cetra=Summon Holy, Non-Cetra = can't summon holy, i'm afraid it's not clear to me enough.

Cloud: ...Aeris. Aeris has already prayed for Holy. ...After I gave up the Black Materia to Sephiroth...... Aeris' words came into my dreams... She said, she was the only one who could stop Sephiroth...... And to do that, there was a secret here... that was Holy...... That's why, she had the White Materia. Aeris knew about here... and what she had to do. Aeris has left us great hope. But, it cost her her life... her future... I'm sorry... Aeris. I should have figured this out sooner. ...You left us without saying a word...... It was all so
sudden, so I couldn't think... That's why it took so long for me to find out. But, Aeris... I understand now. Aeris... I'll do the rest.

Is that clear enough for you?