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After that, I think it would be a little redundant for me to go any further. I think maybe you should give the PSX ones another go, because it seems to me there's alot that you missed. Freya's scene where Sir Fratley simply denies knowing her is a crazy scene that alot of people can relate to. Zell's struggle to prove himself to the world and a bully is something alot of people can relate to. You can relate to the 2d generation fine, but you have to find a way to translate your experiences to the world in the game. Cecil and Kain are a Dark Knight and a Dragoon, their personalities barely exist outside of that, barely cross over into the classification of "human being".
Your first paragraph wasn't wrong, but I'm wondering how you can be serious about that 2nd one. Kain is a dragoon and barely human outside of that? What? You don't think many people can relate to unrequited love, and close friendships that become rivalries? From that to reconciling with his friend and doing the right thing, even though it's gotta feel like crap for him to watch Cecil and Rosa together, then making the effort to overcome his demons instead of going to their wedding. I don't think Kain is at all weaker than characters from later games. Maybe people tend not to notice the character development in the games they don't like as much? Talk about missing a lot.
I completely understand where you're coming from, but be careful before you start saying

Maybe people tend not to notice the character development in the games they don't like as much? Talk about missing a lot
If you paid attention to my post (rather than skimming through it for things to disagree with) you would notice I used the word "barely." The love triangle is a nice little twist thrown into IV's plot, but it barely scratches the surface of the concept, and really has no reason to be there other than the make the story a little more interesting. I do not dislike the older games at all. I play them all frequently, maybe even a little more than I get around to the VII and the post-VII ones.

But jammi567 summed it up perfectly. The 2nd generation began to scratch the surface of these things, but they seem to never go further than skin deep. And there's nothing wrong with that, it doesn't stop them all from being great games.