Think of the smallest number greater than 0...

[The Ceej]

I don't know what maths your brother teaches, but if he tells his students that complex or negative numbers don't exist he had better have a watertight alternative set of number theories.

I never said that. I said he doesn't teach imaginary numbers. And he refuses to teach imaginary numbers. He refuses to acknowlege imaginary numbers. And as someone who's been through the required education and works in the field, that should tell you something about imaginary numbers.

If your money owed is positive then the money you have in the bank is negative, you can't multiply one side by something and not the other

net=owed+owned, and if that's not a negative owed, then everyone would be a lot richer than they were. You can't use debt to pay anyone

I have a positive amount of money in my bank account. I owe a positive amount of money to my credit card. No negatives numbers exist there. These are two different accounts. Take something from me which I don't have. I challenge you. One you have done that, I will have a negative of what you have taken and you will have a positive due to the fact you've taken it. It can't be done.

[blackmage_nuke]

Take something from me which I don't have. I challenge you. One you have done that, I will have a negative of what you have taken and you will have a positive due to the fact you've taken it. It can't be done.

What if i gave you anti matter?

[o_O]

I never said that. I said he doesn't teach imaginary numbers. And he refuses to teach imaginary numbers. He refuses to acknowlege imaginary numbers. And as someone who's been through the required education and works in the field, that should tell you something about imaginary numbers.

Fair enough, I guess that's down to him. But as someone with a degree majoring in calculus/pure mathematics myself, I can't see how he can have gone through the system without acknowledging the validity of complex numbers. Without them, electrical engineering wouldn't exist - taking complex mathematics away from that is like taking half of a chef's ingredients away. Judging by the advancement of computers, for example, surely it does exist?

[rubah]

I don't know what maths your brother teaches, but if he tells his students that complex or negative numbers don't exist he had better have a watertight alternative set of number theories.

I never said that. I said he doesn't teach imaginary numbers. And he refuses to teach imaginary numbers. He refuses to acknowlege imaginary numbers. And as someone who's been through the required education and works in the field, that should tell you something about imaginary numbers.

If your money owed is positive then the money you have in the bank is negative, you can't multiply one side by something and not the other

net=owed+owned, and if that's not a negative owed, then everyone would be a lot richer than they were. You can't use debt to pay anyone

I have a positive amount of money in my bank account. I owe a positive amount of money to my credit card. No negatives numbers exist there. These are two different accounts. Take something from me which I don't have. I challenge you. One you have done that, I will have a negative of what you have taken and you will have a positive due to the fact you've taken it. It can't be done.

They have the same unit (money) so they can be related If you add what you owe to what you have, you end up having less, and the only way that happens is if what you owe is negative.

[Peegee]

Ceej is being very specific with his interpretation of numerics when he says that negation cannot exist.

Yes the amount of debt you have is measured in a positive value. Yes the amount of assets you have is measured in a positive value.

The net worth is a concept that is derived by removing one value from the other. It's taught in grade 11 accounting, and in theory, in grade 1 math.

[The Ceej]

Without them, electrical engineering wouldn't exist - taking complex mathematics away from that is like taking half of a chef's ingredients away.

Yeah, if you take the squizzleberries and xarkon beans away from the chef, he surely can't make his imaginary dish anymore. You can teach computers to use concepts that don't exist as long as these concepts have a solid set of rules to their use. My brother's original major was in engineering, so he knows how "important" imaginary numbers are. Obviously not important enough for his classes to learn them. Even if his students do plan becoming electrical engineers.

Ceej is being very specific with his interpretation of numerics when he says that negation cannot exist.

Yes the amount of debt you have is measured in a positive value. Yes the amount of assets you have is measured in a positive value.

Well, I'm glad someone is seeing my point past the idea that certain mathematics are bogus. It does help you devise a better argument against me if you know what I'm saying rather than simply shouting back trite rhetoric that old mathematics professors use over again.

The net worth is a concept that is derived by removing one value from the other. It's taught in grade 11 accounting, and in theory, in grade 1 math.

They have the same unit (money) so they can be related If you add what you owe to what you have, you end up having less, and the only way that happens is if what you owe is negative.

So, by your logic, if Wal-Mart had 18 basketballs in stock and Target had 23 basketballs on backorder, stores would have negative five baksetballs. It doesn't work that way. These are two different stores. I have two different accounts.

Now, if you'll excuse me, all this math is making my head hurt. I'm going to drop out of this conversation. Whether or not I'll be back, I don't know. We'll see.

[Tavrobel]

I never said that. I said he doesn't teach imaginary numbers. And he refuses to teach imaginary numbers. He refuses to acknowlege imaginary numbers. And as someone who's been through the required education and works in the field, that should tell you something about imaginary numbers.

Actually, it tells me more about him than it does about imaginary numbers.

I also enjoy it when people claim that math makes their head hurt. Tells me something about them, too.

[rubah]

They have the same unit (money) so they can be related If you add what you owe to what you have, you end up having less, and the only way that happens is if what you owe is negative.

So, by your logic, if Wal-Mart had 18 basketballs in stock and Target had 23 basketballs on backorder, stores would have negative five baksetballs. It doesn't work that way. These are two different stores. I have two different accounts.

Now, if you'll excuse me, all this mersation. Whether or not I'll be back, I don't know. We'll see.

walmart and target are two different units I didn't say your money and the money that your friend joey earned earlier

[The Ceej]

You two caught me before I closed my browser. I'll honor your statements with a response before backing out of here.

Now, if you'll excuse me, all this mersation. Whether or not I'll be back, I don't know. We'll see.

walmart and target are two different units I didn't say your money and the money that your friend joey earned earlier

First, I don't know why the hell you changed my quote there or what the hell you're trying to say with it. I looked it up. It's not a word. It can be two Wal-Marts, then. If you really want to get technical. One Wal-Mart with balls in stock and the other with balls on backorder. The point is, there is no such thing as less than zero. You cannot take from me that which I don't have. The argument has become circular, and thus, pointless. There is no reason for eithier of us to continue here. It's obvious we're not going to share our views with each other.

I also enjoy it when people claim that math makes their head hurt. Tells me something about them, too.

Yeah. Take me literally, why don't you. Math doesn't make my head hurt. I just don't really care for it. I'm starting to wonder why I got involved in a math-related argument, and I really don't want anymore of it. Knowing me, however, I'll probably torture myself by coming back even though I've said I'm done with it. Now, please, let me get out of this argument.

[Peegee]

If you have two walmarts and one doesn't have balls and one does, and one has ordered balls, you still have a positive amount of balls. Your example is not indicative of the point you are trying to make. Your point is valid, but so is Rubah's because you can make an inferential conclusion of the eventual consequence of doing actions to remove concepts from a group.

If I have 3 apples and I give you one, there's still 3 apples: 2 with me and 1 with you.

However if I have 3 apples and I give you one, I don't have 3 apples any more -- you have one.

To add fuel to this (very enjoyable) debate, let's try forward and backwards. If I take 5 steps forward and 3 steps backwards, I have travelled 8 steps, or 2?

Have fun *popcorn*

PS: Subtraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Vivisteiner]

0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

[Quindiana Jones]

Oh my God, is this thread still going???

[Peegee]

0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

divided by 2? And then 2 again? and so forth ad infinitum?

[Vivisteiner]

What I dont understand is...how can you not like maths?

I mean...maths is life. So if you dont like maths you're emo.



EDIT: @PG: I dont believe you. Teeheeheee.

[Peegee]

EDIT: @PG: I dont believe you. Teeheeheee.

That's fine. Cultural relativism means that despotism is morally equvalent to pure democracy, and Moral relativism means that killing a baby is the same as running into a burning building to save the President.