Face it, Psychotic. You're just one of those guys that just entered High School Government and decided to pick the most outlandish and irredeemable political system just so when sane-minded people object to your outrageous "stance", you can up and call them hypocrites living in a hopelessly and irreparably flawed society, making yourself feel more important.

And you know what? I can say this as a citizen in the NCR and not be crucified. Hell, I can personally tell Kimball to suck it and not have anyone really bat an eye. NCR has committed some terrible atrocities, many unforgivable. But at the very least, they are the exception and not the rule. As power-hungry and imperialist as they are, NCR is a society that can have its corrupt leaders more or less easily be voted out off office if people take notice and object. Which they do. Caesar's Legion may not be hypocritical, but if that's really something you feel should determine whether or not to support a government in such an extreme and inhospitable environment, then I shiver to think what one would tolerate from the government. Oh wait.

NCR is flawed. Very much so, no one is arguing that. NCR has ulterior motives, no one is arguing that either. What we are arguing is that attempting to find a perfect society in the ashes of an empire that in itself was imperfect is foolish. NCR, with all of its problems, still has a portion of the population who supports liberty, freedom, and peace, and does their best to uphold those as ideals. And while the NCR does things to (rightfully) piss people off, the difference is in the NCR you, as a citizen, can do something about it.

Every crime committed by NCR is something could either be avoided or punished by the population. In the end, that's what democracy is. Caesar's Legion is not like that. You shut up and bend over for Caesar, o r you're punished. There is an established social order that is never, ever infringed upon. The Legion is a society of absolutism and stagnancy. That is oppression.