Mafia XXV: Action Movie Badasses Game Thread Day 6

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

You want a role claim? Understandable, this late and with so much left to uncover. I am in all practicality a Vanilla Town, but that is not quite the extent of it. I am the Priest. I cannot cast a lynching vote, but in all other respects am exactly the same as an ordinary townie.

I don't like the insistence that I am scum based on Jet Li's alignment. We are not Brothers; my alignment and his are independent of each other and have no correlation. The idea that a member of the mafia lies within the four players added after the game began is sound, from a theoretical stand point. But you have to consider all the variables.

I received my account information partway through Day 1 and, at that point, Samuel L Jackson was the person of most suspicion and in my opinion looked guaranteed for the chopping block. Perhaps it looked the same to Teddy Roosevelt and he prepared two extra townies to try and balance things back in the town's favor what with the loss of a potentially powerful role. I don't wish to speculate on the Game Master's intent any more than that, but I don't think there is any guarantee that Vin Diesel, Sylvester Stallone or myself are mafia. The game, after all, is not necessarily balanced from the get-go.

[[M] Gaius]

I don't think Ford is scum. I also don't like the way we're playing this out for two reasons. One, I don't like meta-gaming, and that's what this essentially is. Two, it's based on a lot of assumptions, none of which I'm comfortable in making, and I'm surprised you all are comfortable doing so.

I don't see anything in the content of Eastwood's posts that seems particularly scummy, but his voting record has some odd holes, and Uma's post sounds reasonable...involved early and then disappearing as the game goes along, that sound odd. I know people have rl trout going on but from 13 to 1 post per day is a big change.

##vote: Eastwood

[[M] Gaius]

Ha, see you bastards, I was right. Well if Ford's claims aren't BS anyway.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Also, Bruce, why not give your brucey special to Uma. Wouldn't that prevent a mafia kill on her during the night phase?

I know Bruce Willis has publicly stated his targets (I cannot recall if he has done this every day or not, but it does not matter), but I do not think it is your place or anyone's to influence where he decides to use his power. Protecting Uma Thurman is all good and well, but if the Mafia know she is being protected, they won't target her. I don't suppose you would mind lowering the pool of potential targets of a night, what with being one of the people carrying out the kills.

You had just voted for Uma Thurman, and now, suddenly, you are content with her being protected. That seems a little strange to me, considering you claimed her role claim made no sense. I also dislike the way you approached the vote, apologizing for helping to lynch the cop and vowing not to do it again, as if you could be sure Uma Thurman was guilty and everything was going to be okay because you said so.

It is convenient that you are the person with the next highest amount of votes, as killing you will help me live through the day and bring the town one step closer to victory. If anyone desires further justification for my vote on Clint Eastwood, look to the points made by Uma Thurman and Samuel L Jackson, both confirmed townspeople as far as I am concerned.

##Vote: Clint Eastwood

[[M] Helo]

well, I am an honest man. I said I'd claim if the other two did so here goes nothin'

Vanilla Town. (I'm not bothering with colours or bold, sorry!)

Now you all know why I was reluctant to claim before - because I don't think Vanillas should claim except in extreme circumstances.

To explain: My theory was, for symmetry: Vanilla, Vanilla, Power role, Mafia. Or, and I did not initially disclose this as I did not want someone claiming it, Vanilla, Vanilla, Power role, Harmful Town Role (Bomb, Beloved Princess, etc).

Vanilla, Vanilla, Priest, Vanilla? That doesn't make much sense to me. If it's true, then, LADDY

[[M] Gaius]

Well the priest isn't really a power role is it? I mean it's really kind of a diminished townie, so it could work if Laddy thought the mafia already had enough power.

If this is true, it could also mean that there were already 4 mafia in the game, even before the new guys came in, which sounds imbalanced but if the town had enough crazy powerful roles, it could work.

Might even be why Laddy brought in the new guys.

[[M] Elize]

Also, Bruce, why not give your brucey special to Uma. Wouldn't that prevent a mafia kill on her during the night phase?

Because Clint old bean, doing that would require me to actually want to prevent a mafia kill on Uma during the night phase. But to tell you the truth, I wouldn't miss her if she was gone.

Besides I've got a couple of other ideas bouncing around my head for that at the moment. Anyone know how much time is left in the day?

[[M] Helo]

When you say 4 mafia, Arnold, is that 4 scum or 4 mafia? The reason I ask, is of course, the Psychopath. I'd find it hard to believe there's 4 mafia and a Psychopath on top. Also, worth nothing that Ford and Li came in after the Psychopath died.

Also, to comment on meta-gaming. Eh, a little bit. It's dodgy ground. However, it's a dick move from a host to add new players in after the kick off. Not that I'm complaining, Laddy! I get why you did it and it makes sense. But, if you want to add them as a gameplay element, the actual addition itself has to be a gameplay element too, if that makes sense. You can't really avoid it and treat them as Just Another Person. There's an advantage to coming in late, and this is a disadvantage of it.

[[M] Gaius]

6 hours? 8 hours? I think somewhere in there, though now that I think about it I really have no idea. I'll go back and find out lol.



If this is true, it could also mean that there were already 4 mafia in the game, even before the new guys came in, which sounds imbalanced but if the town had enough crazy powerful roles, it could work.

Might even be why Laddy brought in the new guys.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Vin Diesel: It could be that one of the three of us is lying, but I am reluctant to pursue that line of thinking. Personally, I have no suspicion on either you or Sylvester Stallone, and obviously would prefer not to die in order to prove my role.

If there were four members of the mafia present at the beginning, then the addition of four more townies would theoretically balance things better. At the very least, we know that the original members house at least one member of the mafia. Four town aligned roles could easily have been added with the idea that suspicion would automatically follow them due to perceived imbalance. Again, speculating on the Game Master's intent can easily lead us astray and none can be sure of it barring the man himself.

I feel a better strategy is to focus on the original cast members and who is the most likely to be mafia aligned there, but given the general support of the "mafia hidden in the new guys" theory, I'm afraid that it might be one of us - looking most like me at the moment - stepping up to the gallows this afternoon.

[[M] Gaius]

Ignore the last bit, that was from an earlier post, was still in quick reply box.

[[M] Gaius]

The problem with killing the new guys is that, after the first one dies, then the next lynch would have to be another new guy, and then the last if each pops pro-town. So it's a big risk because if none of them are scum, then that's -3 town.

[[M] Gaius]

Also, this day began at 6:03 pst, so will be over in uh, 7 hours and 12 minutes

[[M] Dee]

I'm not going to meta game this. It's too risky. Too much of a shot in the dark.

Also, Bruce, why not give your brucey special to Uma. Wouldn't that prevent a mafia kill on her during the night phase?

Because Clint old bean, doing that would require me to actually want to prevent a mafia kill on Uma during the night phase. But to tell you the truth, I wouldn't miss her if she was gone.

Besides I've got a couple of other ideas bouncing around my head for that at the moment. Anyone know how much time is left in the day?

I won't miss you either Brucy-wucy.

[[M] Dee]

Sticking with Clint. I agree with Arnold, it's useless wanting to go through and lynch every new guy. Could one of them be lying? Sure, but so could one of the old guys. I'd love Clint to also claim since he's tied for the lead of the lynch.