Nintendo Counts Down to Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Monol]

But thats just it. That 60 percent ISNT skill. All that crazyness and randomness takes away from that aspect. As long as items are on and certain stages are available ANYONE can win. But that isnt fair to the kids that practice combos and edgeguard techniques when all some noob has to do is get a parasol that appeared infront of him and recover from it while a random bomb falls from the sky and lands on the more skilled person. It isnt fair that a new kid playing donkey kong can pick up a smash veteran on gnW's level (the name escapes me at the moment) and just simply cargo throw him off the side. It isnt fair that a kid who worked his butt off on a cheery picking shiek has the misfortune of being on the wrong side of the stage when a health container falls and heals the shiek while at the same time the arena tilts because kraid didnt take his happy pills in the morning and now the veteran is dead.

And super smash bros key gameplay mechanic that seperates it from mortal kombat or soul calibour isnt its items and arenas. Its the fact that instead when your hit your damage doesnt go down it goes up. Itst he fact that you dont die by a getting your heart stabbed you die by getting kicked off the planet :p .

You could definatly argue that just dealing with the crazyness is part of the skill that the game was intended for but i dont think that should apply in duels. Duels should be skill vs skill. Thats just fighting game edicate. Now if we were dealing in a free for all thats completely different. I say do whatever you want in that case. In fact i would strongly encourage "Free for all" tourneys. Spicing things up a bit lolz. Well sorry for another long winded rant . I see everyones point about the competitive thing but still...meh

[ljkkjlcm9]

I think people need to find a different game to play competitively. Next thing you know, they'll be holding Mario Party tournaments. Seriously, when has any Nintendo game not been made to be a great single player adventure, or a fun, kick back and play with your friends game. It's really not meant to be a hardcore fighting game the likes of Soul Calibur and Mortal Kombat and etc. I play with friends to have fun. Granted they don't like always losing, but yet they always still want to play.

THE JACKEL

[NeoCracker]

Um, not fair?

You realize that there are many ways to effectively use Items.

What about the guy who has spent so much time practicing using Items and figuring out how to use them effectively with different characters?

Strip Items, and what does that say to all of their practice?

I'm not saying one way of playing is superior, but playing with Items is hardly 60% of crap that doesn't use skill.

I play with items, and against some friends I still beat them all the time.

It's not random, it's because I know what I'm doing.

Same reason I like playing Brinstar depths. It's not luck that gets you victory, it's knowing how to fight on the stage.

[ljkkjlcm9]

another point to add

it seems like they've given more characters ways to reflect items. But then of course there were the items that you couldn't reflect, like the star rod. They make items a central part of the game. I always loved getting the homerun bat. It would scare my friends. The best part was, I'd typically get them to worry so much about getting homerun, I'd throw it at them all the time.

now certain items I like to take off, such as the invincible star, or the hammer, because I think it detracts from the wonderful battle that's going on and just makes people run away.

oh, and I play all stages, and most items, and I still always win. It also made me become good with multiple different characters.

THE JACKEL

[Roto13]

Would you stop bragging? It's getting annoying.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Would you stop bragging? It's getting annoying.

naw, just because it annoys you, I'm going to do it some more.

Anyways the point of me saying it was that items doesn't mean people with skill, can't still be good. In fact you can learn to use items better and become even more skilled. But at the same time they can be a great equalizer.

THE JACKEL

[Monol]

I think people need to find a different game to play competitively. Next thing you know, they'll be holding Mario Party tournaments. Seriously, when has any Nintendo game not been made to be a great single player adventure, or a fun, kick back and play with your friends game. It's really not meant to be a hardcore fighting game the likes of Soul Calibur and Mortal Kombat and etc. I play with friends to have fun. Granted they don't like always losing, but yet they always still want to play.

THE JACKAL

No i think melee is the perfect game to play competitivly. No one is forcing you to play the game in tournaments. All fighting games are made to have "fun with your friends" just some approach it diffrently then others. If you wanna play with your buddys go ahead. No ones stopping you.


Um, not fair?

What about the guy who has spent so much time practicing using Items and figuring out how to use them effectively with different characters?

It's not random, it's because I know what I'm doing.

Same reason I like playing Brinstar depths. It's not luck that gets you victory, it's knowing how to fight on the stage.

Item placment is random. Always. You cant pick where the items will spawn. If you could thats an entierly different story. The guy who spent all of his time training with items only trains for when the situation permits. You cant start a match with a home run bat. You have to wait for it to RANDOMLY appear on the stage at any RANDOM location. Its cool to train with items. Heck i do it (star rod being my personal favorite) but still the fact that you dont know where they are going to appear is the issue. Lol i wont argue if you like brinstar. It takes ballz to enjoy that place so i comend you for that :p .


another point to add

it seems like they've given more characters ways to reflect items. But then of course there were the items that you couldn't reflect, like the star rod. They make items a central part of the game. I always loved getting the homerun bat. It would scare my friends. The best part was, I'd typically get them to worry so much about getting homerun, I'd throw it at them all the time.

now certain items I like to take off, such as the invincible star, or the hammer, because I think it detracts from the wonderful battle that's going on and just makes people run away.

THE JACKAL

Every item detracts from the "basic" engine of the game. Thats there intention. A characters being able to reflect things? Every character can reflect objects through "power shielding" and it is a pain to do. Reflecting is an advantage given to a character. If certain items eliminate that then whats the point? Then everyones equal which i know sounds awsome to everyone. But what i like about smash bros (heck fighting games in general) is the uniqness each character brings. I dont care that mewtwo is lower on the tier list than fox, mewtwos still has the highest priortized attack in the game. I like the challenge in a duel to have to beat a fox with mewtwo. It forces you think outside of the box and attempt to make strategies of your own. Ahh but whatever im ranting again lol. Im done...for now ;) muhahaha

[NeoCracker]

Yes, the Items appear randomly. But why the hell would you train with just one kind of item?

I mean hell, thats just stupid. I can use basically any Item, and you can use different items differently with different characters.

Say DK. Using guns he can now fight at a distance, and try to lure an opponent to move in closer to you or do some damage without putting as much threat on yourself as you normally could.

However take a fast moving character like Shiek. She gets a ranged attack that doesn't take time to charge with a laser gun. She can now keep her distance and still pile on some damage safely.

Another thing for DK to use if he gets no gun is Bumpers and Bombs. Some well placed items like that can limit your opponents movements, thus making it easier for DK to land some of his harder hits.

Shiek, however, wouldn't want to do that with Bumbers and Bombs. She would be better suited for luring enemies into them, by either drawing or chasing them into them.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Every character can reflect objects through "power shielding" and it is a pain to do. Reflecting is an advantage given to a character. If certain items eliminate that then whats the point? Then everyones equal which i know sounds awesome to everyone.

that's the exact point of the tournament rules though. To make everyone start and fight on equal grounds. If anyone can reflect items, then it's equal grounds. If certain items can't be reflected, it's equal grounds. So why aren't there items?

And no, lots of other fighting games are not casual like smash bros. You can't tell me the way fighting games are designed typically, that they're casual. There's nothing more to most of them than just fighting. Smash bros is different in that regard. There's crazy stages, crazy items, and adventure modes. Now adventure is even co-op. It is not a hardcore fighting game.

maybe the item spawn is random, but it adds a completely new level to the gameplay. Everyone runs to get a pokeball, and I'm sure assist trophies are included in that now too. You fight to get it, you play accordingly. Taking stuff like that out, makes it a new game entirely. My friends and I enjoy final destination sometimes to ease the stage worries... but items are never off, if anything, they spawn more.

THE JACKEL

[Ultima Shadow]

I mostly agree with Monol.

If you want a duel on a flat stage between two characters with very fixed movesets, you might as well be playing Mortal Kombat. You're not playing Smash Bros. Wacky, unpredictable play, maneuvering around the platforms, working the items into your battle strategies, those have all been central to the Smash Bros. gameplay. If you can't play with those things, you're missing out on most of the game. How can you claim to have be a skilled player of Smash Bros. if you can't handle 60% of its gameplay?
First of all, people do NOT only play on FD in competitive play. Stage banning varies a lot, but in the tournaments I've been to, stages like Corneria (you can get randomly hit by lasers from the attacking space ships on that stage) and even Poke Float have been allowed. And yes, the tournament that allowed Poke Float was highly competitive (even CJ, Japan's best smash player, was there). At most 20% of the matches I've played at tournaments have been on FD, and my personal favourite stage to play competitively is Dreamland 64.

Secondly... unpredictable play and maneuvering around the platforms are actually top priorities in competitive play.

And I doubt items and a select few stages alone are 60% of the gameplay.

I think people need to find a different game to play competitively. Next thing you know, they'll be holding Mario Party tournaments. Seriously, when has any Nintendo game not been made to be a great single player adventure, or a fun, kick back and play with your friends game. It's really not meant to be a hardcore fighting game the likes of Soul Calibur and Mortal Kombat and etc. I play with friends to have fun. Granted they don't like always losing, but yet they always still want to play.

THE JACKAL
I know Monol beat me to it, but... smash is a great game to play competitively. Simply because, while you do play it seriously, it's still lots of fun. Even at an competitive level, I find this game much more appealing than games like Soul Calibur and Mortal Kombat.

Smash doesn't lose all the fun just because you play without items and do your best to win.

Oh, and I don't remember who said it, and can't be bothered to go back and check, but it's not like you're only allowed to play Fox, Falco and Sheik or whatever in competitive play.
I'm personally a Ganondorf player in melee. And even though he's far from one of the best characters in the game, I have beaten many good players who played top-tier characters with him. The only character I really hate going up against is Sheik.

Even though the first character that I could play with competitively actually was Sheik, I still ended up using Ganondorf as my main for 3 reasons:

1) I think he's the most fun character to play.
2) It feels better to play a character that isn't top-tier.
3) I simply discovered that I actually was better with him than Sheik when I played at my first tournament. One match, I even beat a Sheik player with him that I had lost to miserably earlier in a Sheik-ditto.

And I'm certainly not the only one who doesn't play top-tiers at tournaments. The Germ, for example, is one heck of a good Link player who can wipe the floor with good Fox and Sheik players.

...I guess I've made my point clear, so let's move on.



Now, I have to agree with NeoCracker regarding stages. While items certainly involve just as much randomness as skill, stages are different. Even though the stage banning is there for a reason, all stages are still more about knowing how the stage works rather than randomness. On Poke Float and Rainbow Ride, the new pokemons and platforms doesn't appear randomly. They always appear at the same places and they always have the same functions. Even in Brinstar, which rotates randomly, there is always a way to take advantage of the situation. And if you know the stage well enough, you know when you "probably should move to a safer location" etc.

...So no matter which stage you play, skill still matters far more than anything else.

I can't say the same about items though, since certain items are more random than others. For example... taking advantage of a Mr.Saturn is pure skill. But if a heart, hammer or invincibility star randomly appears right where you're standing, there's no skill involved when you take advantage of that it. And if a bomb just happened to appear right infront of you just as you do a forward smash, then that's just bad luck.

...but if you play Mr. Saturns only, then it's all about skill! :greenie:




Finally, competitive smash is fun. It's fun to compete, it's fun to be good at a game, and it's fun to try to get better. I can see what some of you mean when you say that stage banning and restrictions takes away all the fun (even though I personally don't agree with that), but some of you almost sound like playing smash competitively is a mortal sin (ok, maybe that's overexaggerating a bit, but you get the point). I mean... if people even play Pokemon competitively, then why not smash?

[KentaRawr!]

I think before anyone says that another person's style of play detracts from the game, they should consider that the other person is free to play however they like, and may be how they prefer to play the game. In that sense, doing it the way you saw as the better way to play, would detract from the game to them. See what I'm saying here? It's a perspective thing. But, clearly, in a Tournament, you're going to have players that look at it from the way that has the least random values.

Now then, with that, can we stop justifying ourselves for things so irrelevant to each-other's lives such as how we play a video game? :monster:

Edit for grammar. And another for bad sentence structure.

[Monol]

Relax kentarou were simply defending our views. Noones out right bashing any other persons viewpoints. Oh and if theres any character that is remotely cheap its sheik. Grr i hate shiek lol As a zelda main even bad shieks are a threat >_<.

[NeoCracker]

I actually kicked but with Zelda, couldn't play shiek worth crap though. :P

And I will concede sometimes Items do give a person a completely random advantage or disadvantage, but it's actually not that often it happens.

Though I still don't think they should be banned for tournaments, it doesn't really bother me they are.

They games still fun to play like that.

[qwertysaur]

I actually main as Zelda and Peach. I stay at a distance and either use din's fire or turnips to raise my opponents damage, then smash them away. With Peach, your always playing with items though. Peaches down smash is a bit too powerful though.

And I think the Ice climbers are cheap. While Nana is still an idiot most of the time, they are strong if someone knows what they are doing.

Also, go play as bowser and use his down throw. Bowser Love!:p

[Monol]

Well ill definatly admit that ANY stage should be chosen for counter picking at least. I almost forgot about how impossibly cruel ice climbers can be IF there both together. Wobbling is waaay to unfair (for those not familiar with the technique it involves popo or the dominate iceclimber if you switch costumes grabs then jabs the opponet then nana proceeds to in rythme tilt A or down A tilt. This causes the opponet to be trapped until the ice climber stops jabbing creating infinite damage) in brawl theres a new type of wobbling but it at least looks funny. Heck alot of the glitches in brawl do :p

[Roto13]

I have five bucks that says the first Smash Bros. shows up on the Virtual Console tomorrow. I already bought a Wii Points card for it. :P

[Creeping Shadow]

Just six more days until the great brawl begins.

[Roto13]

I was WRONG! This has never happened before! Super Turrican? What the bloody fuck?

[NeoCracker]

What the hell is Super Turrican?

[Evastio]

They're either talking about All Star Mode or Boss All Star Mode in today's update.

...no wait, you can't continue in Boss All Star Mode. Never mind.

But apparently you can do Co-op Two Player in all "Solo" Modes except for Classic. :D :D :D :D :D

That's what I heard on Brawl Central anyways. :rolleyes2

[Roto13]

Why not Classic? I think that'd be the mode I'd most want co-op 2P mode. xP

[KentaRawr!]

Classic would be nice, but at least everything else is co-op, right?

[Roto13]

Yeah, I suppose. xP Certainly doesn't run the game.

[KentaRawr!]

Plus, Adventure Mode Co-Op is pretty epic. Actually, the Adventure Mode is reminding me of Kirby Super Star in a lot of aspects as well. Especially how Player 2 gets back to Player 1 if they are moved off of the stage.

I'm pretty sure the Home-Run Contest has online play. Can the same be said for Break the Targets?

[Creeping Shadow]

Actually, the Adventure Mode is reminding me of Kirby Super Star in a lot of aspects as well.


You are reading my mind aren't you?

[Skyblade]

Actually, the Adventure Mode is reminding me of Kirby Super Star in a lot of aspects as well.


You are reading my mind aren't you?

The entire game of Smash Bros is based on Kirby Superstar. And, yeah, Adventure Mode now looks like it too. Awesome, huh?

BTW, has anyone seen the Giant Jigglypuff glitch? Use Jigglypuff's Final Smash in the gap of the Bridge of Eldin right when the new bridge is being teleported in, and you will keep Giant Jigglypuff. There's some videos of them, but I can't find them right now (on a school PC).

[Evastio]

Yeah. I was actually really looking forward to the idea of Co-op Classic Mode. At least All Star Mode and Boss All Star Mode were confirmed to be Two Player on the Brawl Central Forums.


BTW, has anyone seen the Giant Jigglypuff glitch? Use Jigglypuff's Final Smash in the gap of the Bridge of Eldin right when the new bridge is being teleported in, and you will keep Giant Jigglypuff. There's some videos of them, but I can't find them right now (on a school PC).
I've heard about it. It doesn't actually change her weight though. It's still something that's worth trying out.

[Creeping Shadow]

Heres something interesting:

YouTube - Snake Codec Talk Ep 1: C.Falcon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx_Cen3qoSA&feature=user)

YouTube - Snake Codec Talk Ep 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYmSzubQJKU&feature=related)

YouTube - Snake Codec Talk Ep 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDSwdWMmwJA&feature=related)

YouTube - Snake Codec Talk Ep 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvBVT0iBqDg&feature=related)

[Evastio]

Awesome. It's nice to hear Marth's, Pit's, and Meta Knight's.

I wonder what he says about the Ice Climbers and Lucario though...

[Monol]

Glitches ahoy!

YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl GLITCH: Giga Jiggly! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JeQrlZLuKI4) - This is the jiggz one

YouTube - Bowser infinite jump SSBB (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p1wx0bz_6FQ&feature=related)

YouTube - D-Smashed so far... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rbFnHBI-kts&feature=related)

YouTube - Toon Link Glitch (http://youtube.com/watch?v=BnRmDoJm0VI&feature=related)

YouTube - Falco's Infinite Laser-Lock (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3UTpaKhElhk&feature=related)

YouTube - SSBB iceclimber スマブラＸ アイスクライマー永パ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RwwJoMFGlZc) -New wobbling thing i was talking about

Oh and to anyone who thought DKs FS sucks...YouTube - SSB Brawl: DK's Perfect Final Smash (http://youtube.com/watch?v=n7UvTc4jWEc)

O_O

[Roto13]

Evastio: YouTube - Snake Codec Talk Ep 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGfdvbBHaOs)

Watch for the part about Sonic. xP

[Creeping Shadow]

Evastio: YouTube - Snake Codec Talk Ep 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGfdvbBHaOs)

Watch for the part about Sonic. xP

Oh Im sure he'll like that :p

[Shoeberto]

Man I keep reading reviews of the game and I want it real bad. Why is it not Saturday? I hate time and its stupid slowness.

[KentaRawr!]

About that Glitches video, Monol, with Toon Link and his D-Air... I don't think that's really a glitch. His D-Air, as we've seen, adds a downward force to his movement. When you add the upwards force of the attack, naturally, it will be reduced, until the final number is 0. The result can't be a negative, because that would defeat the purpose of having his attack have such little reliance on the character's momentum.

[Crossblades]

Man I keep reading reviews of the game and I want it real bad. Why is it not Saturday? I hate time and its stupid slowness.

I'll be picking my copy up at the Midnight Madness on Saturday =)

[Monol]

Nice observation Kentarou. I posted it simply because I thought it looked neat :p But perhaps it really isnt quite a "glitch" per say...

And brawl can take its time coming out. I still need to practice (and by practice i mean watch videos!) for that gamespot tourney. I just had my last melee tournament recently on sunday with some of PA's finest and im almost ready to see what brawl has to offer. I just dont know who to use so improbably just gonna random it (seeing how you can do that now which is awsome!) or maybe yoshi. Yeah yoshi sounds pretty good actually :D ...anyone else entering that tournament thingy?

[KentaRawr!]

I am, of course.

[JKTrix]

Is this thread gonna be killed when the game comes out?

[Roto13]

I kinda want it to just be pinned and go on and on forever.

[KentaRawr!]

We should just make an entire forum section for this thread. "Smash Bros. Brawl Discussion" forum. Then, in it, there's this.

Would be cool...

Maybe we could use it for setting up internet matches, and trading created stages?

[Monol]

I like that idea actually. I dont know about an ENTIRE section but if it becomes even half as popular as melee then im sure that doesnt sound unresonable.

But i say keep the thread alive. No sense in killing it now :p

YouTube - �スマブラX】色々�キャラ�ｳｯｰｳｯｰｳ�ｳ�（゜∀゜）�完�】 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cToefy2-6uE)

If you can watch that and say to yourself "I dont want brawl" i will personaly pay you 1000 invisa dollars. Oh and a pat on the back.

[Ultima Shadow]

We should just make an entire forum section for this thread. "Smash Bros. Brawl Discussion" forum. Then, in it, there's this.

Would be cool...

Maybe we could use it for setting up internet matches, and trading created stages?
Sounds like a good idea to me. :greenie:

Also, does anyone know if you'll be able to play NTSC vs PAL? If you can't, then I guess I might as well order an american Wii + Brawl, since most of the guys I want to play online seems to live in America.

[Roto13]

I dunno for sure, but Nintendo's other online games allow people from different regions to play together. My Palkia is from Japan. :P

[Creeping Shadow]

I like that idea actually. I dont know about an ENTIRE section but if it becomes even half as popular as melee then im sure that doesnt sound unresonable.

But i say keep the thread alive. No sense in killing it now :p

YouTube - �スマブラX】色々�キャラ�ｳｯｰｳｯｰｳ�ｳ�（゜∀゜）�完�】 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cToefy2-6uE)

If you can watch that and say to yourself "I dont want brawl" i will personaly pay you 1000 invisa dollars. Oh and a pat on the back.


Oh my god I need an animated GIF of that marth and metaknight one:eek: :eek: :eek: .

[Ultima Shadow]

I dunno for sure, but Nintendo's other online games allow people from different regions to play together. My Palkia is from Japan. :PWell, if it works for other Wii games, I see no reason it shouldn't work for Brawl. Or, I hope so at least. :greenie:

Oh, and it kinda amuses me that they took away L-Cancelling and the like to make the game "more fair", yet they overlooked something like the IC-glitch and the Falco laser-glitch.

I really hope these glitches are fixed in a patch or something. Because, though they might be hard to pull off, they are all but fair or fun. And the random "tripping" will be extremely dangerous VS Falco. If you tripp, and the Falco player responds fast enough, all he has to do is spam the B button until you either for fall off an edge (and you'll probably be at +70% or more by then) or reach an ridicolously high % (if you get hit against a wall). Ugh.

[Evastio]

I'm glad they've showed all items now. It's nice to know more about the soccer ball and the spike ball. I'm glad they actually stuck in another item from a retro game (Clu Clu Land).

I don't know about having a whole separate forum for Smash or Nintendo but maybe having a stickied thread for Smash would work.


YouTube - �スマブラX】色々�キャラ�ｳｯｰｳｯｰｳ�ｳ�（゜∀゜）�完�】 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cToefy2-6uE)
That video is way too awesome. :D

[KentaRawr!]

I was just joking about a Smash Forum. :monster:

[Roto13]

People are already hacking this game. Here's a hack that gives some characters other characters' movesets.

YouTube - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Moveset Swapping - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZDgjjDnWLM)

The first couple are kinda dull, but skip ahead to the part where Pikachu gets someone else's move set. I won't spoil it. xD

[Creeping Shadow]

People are already hacking this game. Here's a hack that gives some characters other characters' movesets.

YouTube - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Moveset Swapping - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZDgjjDnWLM)

The first couple are kinda dull, but skip ahead to the part where Pikachu gets someone else's move set. I won't spoil it. xD

Ha thats cool, I did that in melee.

[KentaRawr!]

I found Peach's to be the funniest.

[Monol]

I found toon links to be the most painful :(

[KentaRawr!]

Would it be possible to replace character models rather than their move-sets? It seems like that would be more effective than placing move-sets, because if you're only transferring one thing at a time, voice clips and attack effects won't come with the package.

[Creeping Shadow]

Would it be possible to replace character models rather than their move-sets? It seems like that would be more effective than placing move-sets, because if you're only transferring one thing at a time, voice clips and attack effects won't come with the package.

Most likley with extensive hacking. But even if its still hard to say you would have to change a lot of game code around.

[JKTrix]

Oh dear... Caramelldansen has reached the eoff gaming boards.

That hack video was pretty cool. That Pikachu one was FREAKY.

R.O.B. was shown on the dojo today.

http://i32.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/2eyyjc2.jpg
Hell Yeah.

http://i31.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/mil14w.jpg
Wario forces Pikachu into the pokeball (anime joke)

http://i25.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/spj49i.jpg
GTFO

http://i25.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/29wsq6d.jpg
Oops, Wrong Ganon!

http://i32.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/51elj6.jpg
Wariotnik

...I think I'm gonna be spending a lot of time in Photo mode.

[Roto13]

Speaking of Photo mode....

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/rotothirteen/stage30_080304d-l.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/rotothirteen/LindyEngland.jpg

What do you think?

[KentaRawr!]

...

o,0


Dawn of the First Day
-72 Hours or so hours remain-

[Roto13]

Dawn of the First Day
72 Hours or so hours remain

<3!

[NeoCracker]

1) Kentarou has won.

2) Does that toon link one look like Gannon is about to rape him, or is that just me?

[KentaRawr!]

1) Kentarou has won.

2) Does that toon link one look like Gannon is about to rape him, or is that just me?

I thought that was the joke. Oh, and GANNON-BANNED.

[NeoCracker]

If that was the joke, what the hell does "Oops. Wrong Gannon" have to do with it?

[KentaRawr!]

I've no idea. :p

[JKTrix]

That Link and That Ganon(dorf) are from two different Zeldas. My caption skillz are not very good.

http://i30.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/j66fy9.jpg

http://i30.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/2dkaerp.jpg

[KentaRawr!]

Would have been better if you used Ganondorf's Sword Taunt, or one of his very few sword attacks. That would have made it clear. :3

[Monol]

Clear or not thats one of the most creepily romantic pictures ive ever seen in my life.

[NeoCracker]

Clear or not thats one of the most creepily romantic pictures ive ever seen in my life.

Romantic? Gannon is trying to RAPE HIM! What is romantic about that?

[KentaRawr!]

It depends on how you look at it, Neo. Ganon is just expressing his deep love to Toon Link, and Toon Link is just having a hard time taking it all in.

[NeoCracker]

Toon Link is just having a hard time taking it all in.

Thats because he's so small while Gannon is so big. :p

[KentaRawr!]

How many times am I going to feel the urge to GANNON-BAN you?

You know, I think I'll just play the Song of Time so this conversation never happened.

[Evastio]

They've finally revealed ROB on the Dojo. Even though they didn't explain his Final Smash... I kind of like how they kept him in his Famicom design even for us English people. I actually own a Famicom. :D

Those pictures are awesome JKTrix. :D

Also, here's a video to celebrate ROB's update (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHaOs4FBpwE&eurl=http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=9241).

[KentaRawr!]

Let's Brawlerize that video! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad1hMtLXrY4&NR=1)

[JKTrix]

Facial Expressions: The Next Big Thing in fighting games (See also: Street Fighter)

http://i27.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/11jqayx.jpg

http://i26.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/20fs0ev.jpg

http://i29.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/xpa7oz.jpg
I found this one really cute. Puffballs on a date (and the jealous villager in the background).

Sakurai's final dojo update before Brawl's release features... Snapshots! A pretty good way to prelude the launch. None of my pics were from the Dojo, I don't think. I got 'em somewhere else.

[ljkkjlcm9]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_032-l.jpg
love that picture, it's funny
Also makes me wonder why the hell a golden sun character couldn't be playable! They could've given him an axe if they didn't want another swordsman or something

also many of the pics seem completely random... and make you wonder what different things/ideas they had.. like this one
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_085-l.jpg

THE JACKEL

[KentaRawr!]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_067-l.jpg

That's my favorite one. :p

Oh, and by the way,



Dawn of the Second Day
-48 Hours or so hours remain-

[demondude]

So many more months for me. :cry:

[Ultima Shadow]

So many more months for me. :cry:
*sits down and cries together with Demon Dude*:(

[Roto13]

HAHAHAHAHAH! Eurosuckers.

[Creeping Shadow]

HAHAHAHAHAH! Eurosuckers.

Oh cmon roto be nice.

Anyway the snapshots were cool I really like how many there were and how well they were done.

[KentaRawr!]

Poor Europe. :(

Of course, y'know, there is that Freeloader for the Wii. :p

[Evastio]

And I thought that Nintendo wouldn't be able to make an update that was as great as yesterday's. They sure proved me wrong.

There's way too many awesome screenshots that they posted. :D

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_041-l.jpg

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_059-l.jpg

I plan to make one screenshot with The Pokemon Trainer on Smashville and White Marth, White Zelda, and Olimar in the background. Captions: Looks like Team Rocket's blasting off again!!

Also Roto, does this look familiar?

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/etc/images/etc01/etc01_080307_097-l.jpg

I just thought I'd post that screenshot since the guy that posted it has the same name.

[Creeping Shadow]

Sakurai really adores irony.

YouTube - Chill (Dr. Mario) - Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGrpowuCDcQ)

YouTube - Dr. Mario (Melee) - Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6UmnXlMs68&feature=related)

Oh and this song is made of win!

YouTube - NES Medley - Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jUEnDS4Q0M)

[KentaRawr!]

That's not irony, that's Create-A-Stage Material. :3

[Monol]

What the frick?! Krystal looks awsome as a trophy! Why the heck couldnt she be a character?! It just doesnt make any sense...*goes over and crys with europers* Waaggggh!!

On a slightly brighter note the pictures on the dojo are freakin awsome.

[Roto13]

Also Roto, does this look familiar?

... No? D:


What the frick?! Krystal looks awsome as a trophy! Why the heck couldnt she be a character?! It just doesnt make any sense...*goes over and crys with europers* Waaggggh!!

*STRANGLE*

[JKTrix]

http://i30.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/vz8w9e.jpg
WTF!

Bermuda usually gets games a week late... not 2 days EARLY. I am extremely confused.

Yes, that's me.

0473-7410-4713

Please PM me if you add me.

[Roto13]

Damn you, Trix! Damn you to hell!

EDIT: How can anyone add you? We don't live in crazy land. xP

[KentaRawr!]

Cool beans, JKTrix, cool beans! I'll probably add you as soon as I get the game, after the tourney tomorrow.

[Skyblade]

Once I get my Wii's online play up, I'll add you, but that'll probably be at least a month.

[ljkkjlcm9]

lol doubt I'll even remember what page your code was on, if we really want to make this a thread with the friend codes, they should be put on the first page or something

THE JACKEL

[demondude]

>:( Why can't I live in Bermuda?

[Monol]

Just a few more hours...

[NeoCracker]

I got 11 hours until the tournament. Oh yeah.

[Evastio]

I didn't expect you to look like that at all in real life JKTrix. No offense.

I hope you have a lot of fun with it. But uh, don't get too much practice in. We don't want you whooping us that badly on Wi-Fi. :sweat:

Oh what am I saying? It is Brawl and I'd be playing it like crazy if I was in your shoes so forget what I said. :rolleyes2


Also Roto, does this look familiar?
... No? D:

Yeah. Apparently there's another Roto on Wi-Fi Brawl (not being sarcastic). I hope there won't be too much confusion with similar names.

I hope nobody has taken the name "STIO" yet. That was my Melee name and I plan to stick with it.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

...Man, I hope they have more copies by tomorrow...

[JKTrix]

First run through on 'Subspace Emissary': 86% clear, 8 hours 13 minutes. Everything on Normal. 32 characters unlocked. I finished it much earlier today, but then I fell asleep :p

It's worth noting that my 'time' before the final, huge stage was less than 6 hours, and my clear rate was around 60%. The last stage is huge. It's structured kind of like Metroid (or perhaps Kirby) where you have to explore multiple areas, and you have to fight not only all the bosses you beat before, but shadow versions of nearly all the player characters. Once you beat it, before the credits, you get the game's theme song played for you with an English translation. There is 'shoot the credits' after Adventure Mode. Credits just runs a bunch of the video clips from adventure mode with the scrolling names. It's in Classic mode, though.

Stickers are more effective than I thought they'd be. You probably don't really need them for Normal mode, but I imagine they'd be very helpful on harder difficulties.

You can spend hundreds of coins very easily on the Coin Launcher. Luckily, the stickers and trophies are fairly plentiful. If you hold the 'shoot' button for a second before you let it go, the coin will shoot faster and fly over whatever holes pop up on the board.

I've been trying to use the Classic controller, but it's definitely gonna take some getting used-to. I used a GC controller through most of the adventure mode.

If you use one of the control configurations that involve the Wii remote, you do get some noises coming from the remote that you don't get with the GC controller at all. For example (the only one I've heard), when you choose a character, they would say something or make a noise through the remote, while if you're playing with the GC controller they don't say anything at all.

That's it, 'til more people get it.

[Evastio]

Before Brawl comes out in North America I'm going to post Masahiro Sakurai's Alcohol Induced Subspace Cutscene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apWJ3FiAXX8) that unfortunately didn't make it in Brawl.

Also, for those of you worried about being slaughtered by MLG level players here's a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iby0D5PkMDo) to help you remember that they too are human and prone to making mistakes.

[JKTrix]

I almost forgot today was Saturday. Saturday has something special.

I took this pic myself, my first one.
http://i29.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/6hqhww.jpg

[Evastio]

I almost forgot today was Saturday. Saturday has something special.
How are you able to post screenshots from your Wii online?

[KentaRawr!]

Bah, my Gamestop was closed for today due to bad weather.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

How are you able to post screenshots from your Wii online?Snapshots (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various07.html). Images are saved to an SD card, and the SD card is inserted into a computer, from which they may then be uploaded to an Intertron.

[Momiji]

Bah, I'm broke. SSBB will have to wait for a couple of weeks. :sweat:

[JKTrix]

How are you able to post screenshots from your Wii online?Snapshots (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various07.html). Images are saved to an SD card, and the SD card is inserted into a computer, from which they may then be uploaded to an Intertron.

It's not quite that easy yet, but that's basically what it takes. Save 'em to SD card, then use either this program (http://freewebs.com/gtcoder/index.html) or this website (http://xane.gamez-interactive.de/Brawl/Decrypter/) to convert the files from the SD card to JPG. If you're using widescreen settings, you will probably have to resize the picture to make it look like it should.

[Roto13]

Ugh. I'm kinda counting on someone to give me the money they owe me so I can buy this game. Doesn't look like that's happening within any reasonable amount of time. I'm gonna have to start breaking some legs.

[KentaRawr!]

Tomorrow, I'll be going into Gamestop pretty early. I want to make sure I get there with no line troubles.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I'm gonna try to get there when it opens. It's a sunday, and I reserved it at the mall, so it doesn't open too dramatically early.

THE JACKEL

[KentaRawr!]

Hey, JKTrix, when exactly did you get your Wii? I've been hearing that copies of Brawl have been freezing on a small number of systems, and reading up on it, it seems like most Launch-Wiis are the ones with freezing issues.

[XxSephirothxX]

I hadn't bothered to pre-order at Gamestop and when I called them it sounded like there wasn't a very good chance they'd have any for non pre-ordering customers (because Gamestop is lame) so my friends and I popped over to Wal-mart around 11:30 and waited around, grabbed the game, and then came home and played for about 4 hours.

Close to 30% through Subspace Emissary. I've been kind of surprised how different the game feels than Melee, but it's just going to take some getting used to.

My initial pleasant surprises so far: Lucas and especially Ike are way more fun than I anticipated. I didn't like Meta-Knight all that much.

[KentaRawr!]

Gamestop opens in 1 hour. I'll be going there for my pre-order copy. :3

Edit: And now I have it. Going downstairs to play it. :3

[Ultima Shadow]

Edit: And now I have it. Going downstairs to play it. :3
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

...2 secs, I'll come over! *buys a ticket to USA*

[scrumpleberry]

Ugh. I'm kinda counting on someone to give me the money they owe me so I can buy this game. Doesn't look like that's happening within any reasonable amount of time. I'm gonna have to start breaking some legs.

<3

TELL US WHAT YOU THINK GUISE, REQUIRE MOAR MINIREVIEWS.

[Roto13]

Apparently it's not working on some Wiis for the same reason it wasn't working in Japan. The dual-layer DVD isn't working very well because of dust on the lenses. So yeah. Keep your Wii clean. xP

[Shoeberto]

I hadn't bothered to pre-order at Gamestop and when I called them it sounded like there wasn't a very good chance they'd have any for non pre-ordering customers (because Gamestop is lame) so my friends and I popped over to Wal-mart around 11:30 and waited around, grabbed the game, and then came home and played for about 4 hours.
Same thing happened here pretty much exactly, except my friends and I actually went to Gamestop (hoping to make it to the tournament which apparently started and finished about two hours prior) and stood around until they came out and said that. But Wal Mart had a bunch of copies and hardly any line, so my group ended up leaving with like three copies.


Apparently it's not working on some Wiis for the same reason it wasn't working in Japan. The dual-layer DVD isn't working very well because of dust on the lenses. So yeah. Keep your Wii clean. xP
Huh, that might explain why the loading times seem somewhat long... can't help I have an old dorm room that gets dusty! At least it does load, though.

[Kirobaito]

Man, Subspace Emissary is looooong. I want Sonic ;-;

Character unlock stuff, if you don't want to see it,

Unlocked Marth and Luigi so far. Want to finish SE to get Sonic. All the multiplayer stuff will have to wait.

[I Took the Red Pill]

I put 4.5 hours into it with 3 other friends who got it after the Midnight Release, and then another 5 by myself today because I had literally nothing else to do. The game feels so much clunkier and slower than Melee to me, but that feeling will hopefully disappear once I play it for a while. Still well worth the wait.

And I don't really like Subspace Emissary, I'm at about 50% and it's getting really boring just wailing away on Primids. But it's a necessary evil that will soon be out of the way.

[Ultima Shadow]

Didn't see this until now:

http://i30.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/vz8w9e.jpg
WTF!

Bermuda usually gets games a week late... not 2 days EARLY. I am extremely confused.

Yes, that's me.

0473-7410-4713

Please PM me if you add me.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! GIVE ME, GIVE ME, GIVE ME!!!

[NeoCracker]

Oddly I'm the opposite of Azar. I don't enjoy Ike or Lucas, but I love Metaknight.

That guy is extremely mobile.

But I'm enjoying Subspace emissary, I'm almost done with it actually.

[XxSephirothxX]

It definitely is slower, but I'm not sure I'd say it's clunkier. It seems more like a blend between Melee and the original. I'm somewhere around 50% in Subspace Emissary and just got ROB and killed Ridley again. Am I really only 50% through the story, or is that taking into account little things I've missed so far? :p Either way, it's definitely long, and a lot of fun. Cutscenes are the ultimate fanservice.

[NeoCracker]

I think it includes all the things you can miss, cause It seems I'm almost done, but I'm only at around 80%. Feels like I should be farthern then that, but I could be wrong.

[KentaRawr!]

I've not played much of SSE. I played a few hours with my sister's BF, Kyle, but after that it was all spent on VS. Matches. :p

Edit: By the way, has anyone else had trouble with getting "With Anyone" Online Mode to work, or is it just me?

[Roto13]

JKTrix tells me he has less than 100% and he's finished SSE. He also says there are two characters he didn't unlock in it. :P

[KentaRawr!]

JKTrix tells me he has less than 100% and he's finished SSE. He also says there are two characters he didn't unlock in it. :P

Oh, those are probably Toon Link and Wolf. You have to back-track for them.

[I Took the Red Pill]

The servers being so bogged down is really pissing me off. :( I couldn't get into a single "With Anyone" match today. My mediocre internet connection could be partly to blame, but from what I've read, a lot of people are getting the same.

[Ouch!]

Ike is a freaking beast. I am happy.

[Kirobaito]

Ike is a freaking beast. I am happy.
Seems basically like Roy to me. Good close range, but even against a long-sworded Marth, really struggles.

Snake=ownage

[Ouch!]

I've actually been fairly impressed by how far Ike's sword reaches. Granted, I've not played too much, but I think he's significantly better than Roy.

[El Bandito]

Oh my goodness, Olimar is amazing. With Sheik nerfed, I've found my new main character.

[NeoCracker]

I actually prefer Roy to Ike myself.

I think I'm just a very disagreeable person today, aren't I?

[JKTrix]

I found SSE kind of plain. I don't think I would have bought the game if that was all there was. But as part of a larger game, it's alright. I probably won't play it again unless it's with a friend, or when I finally get around to trophy hunting. I think I 'captured' 8 different enemies in SSE.

Capturing seemed pretty tricky. Some smaller enemies you can just chuck the thing at them one-time and they'll turn into a trophy, others will require you to weaken them quite a bit before they'll be taken. The item that allows you to do this, the Trophy Stand (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea11.html), shows up pretty rarely. Throwing it is actually its own special animation, and it has quite a bit of 'wind-up' to it. The timing is very very tricky, especially if you're trying to get an enemy that's in the air. It will disappear if you hit an enemy and don't capture it, or if you throw it and it goes off the screen. If you throw it and it hits a wall or another piece of the environment you can pick it up and use it again.

I unlocked Toon Link and Wolf shortly after I finished SSE. Toon Link you fight after beating Classic mode, Wolf you fight after beating Boss Rush with Fox. I've also 'finished' the Event Mode all on Normal except the FINAL final battle, which I had to drop down to Easy. It's pretty difficult, but also I'd been playing the game for a loooong time and my thumb was tired.

Watched 7 battles in Spectator mode, bet on 5 of them and lost them all. One of them had a special 'Chance!' item, but I guess you only get it if you bet correctly. You get stickers for watching.

There's a lot of little things that when put all together make this a really good game. The trophy capturing thing in SSE is the primary thing that makes me want to go back to it, despite me not being particularly pleased with how it played out. Coin launcher is decent fun, and Spectator mode can probably be quite rewarding...if I ever won.

Before I got very far in SSE, I was trying to complete the 100 Man Brawl to get Falco. Most characters have at least one non-smash move that can KO those guys in one hit. I haven't cleared it yet though, because the game starts to get nasty once you get <20. Every time I got there, the enemies suddenly start dodging and hitting me out of my little one-move spam. Then as soon as one hits me, the other 5 keep on hitting me so that I can't even retalliate (even with one of the countering people's counters). So the damage racks up incredibly quickly and I get KOd. Then, on the few times I get to <10 (the lowest I've gotten so far is 4 men remaining. 4~!) a bob-omb or smart bomb will spawn exactly where you are. Then it detonates and you die. I tried doing it online with a friend, but he kept getting killed. Then the one time we almost completed it (we were <10), it lagged out.

I can help to answer some questions if people have 'em.

Edit: Also, my Wii is fine. Though this game kinda makes me wish the Wii had a harddrive to store temporary data on. Every single time you enter a battle, even if it's one you just did (or failed), the game seems to have to re-load all the characters again. Particularly on stages that use many different characters, it takes a noticeable bit of time. There's no loading screen, everything just freezes until it's done.

Characters I've been mostly using: Mario, Marth, Lucario and Ike. My SSE Marth is Godly. All loaded up with stickers. Mario is Mario, but the FLUDD seems kind of useless. Maybe can be used as some kind of complicated edge guard. Ike feels very different from Marth/Roy. He does have a damaging Charge B move, he does have a counter, he uses a sword, but that's about all that's similar. He's much slower, and quite a bit more powerful. Lucario has a lot of great moves. His range is deceptive (moves you don't expect to hit do, but some moves you do expect to hit...don't) and his Down Air in particular has some pretty surprising properties. His 'short hop' is kind of high though, so excepting his wicked Down Air, you can't really use Air moves on grounded opponents effectively. His smashes are also kind of slow. I've probably used Lucario the most, though.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I actually grew to love Pit, which I was hoping. My favorite 4 in SSE have been Lucario, Fox, Pit, Marth.

Wolf you can also unlock through a mission in SSE, after you beat it first, you don't have to do the boss thing.

Characters I HATE: Ike is way too slow for me, as is snake. I just don't like how snake works. Such as his smash down, he buries a mine. That is extremely different than any other character. You don't use it to attack in the moment, you have to plant it for later. Metaknight was also a dissapointment. Tons of quick attacks, but he barely even makes enemies flinch with some of them. Olimar is alright, but I don't like him enough to get use to him. Shiek's nerf isn't even that noticeable.

THE JACKEL

[NeoCracker]

I change what I said earlier, I'm starting to like Ike. Played through classic with him, and he was quite a hoot.

King Dedede is surprisingly enjoyable. Not going to be one I use all the time, but he's definitely entertaining.

And a note on Lucario. His Aura ability is useful, but it's not as powerful as one might have originally guessed. He does last longer then Mewtwo did, but he's still relatively easy to knock off. Overall though, he seems like a better character.

[Monol]

I LOVE POKEMON TRAINER!! Hes definatly my new favorite character.

Everyone actually is really really really fun to play. As far as old schoolers the only one im not to fond of as of now is ganon and out of the newcomers im not so hott on [PHP]R.O.B.toon link and pokemon trainer are definatly who im aiming to be good with. Fun game, differnt from melee but thats expected. I hope to play some of you guys soon but for now im doing some solo-smashing. After all i wanna play my best when dealing with the likes of you fellow final fantasy smashers eh?

[Evastio]

They've updated Mr. Game & Watch on the Dojo. And it looks like many people were wrong about beating classic mode with everyone to unlock him. Either way it's nice to see our flat friend being updated so soon after ROB's update. :D

So does anyone know how much he's improved in Brawl? Is he any heavier and is his regular A attack much easier to trap people into?

[Crossblades]

Is anyone else having trouble unlocking Toon Link and Jigglypuff? I can't seem to unlock them =(

[XxSephirothxX]

You'll find Jigglypuff in a door most of the way through The Swamp, after the Diddy fight, in the middle of the barrel launching portion. Toon Link is in The Forest, I think, pretty near the beginning. You have to complete SSE first, though, and then go back to get them.

[I Took the Red Pill]

And a note on Lucario. His Aura ability is useful, but it's not as powerful as one might have originally guessed.Unless you're going to use it as an interrupt attack, it's meant to be used at higher damages. Its attack power rises as Lucario's damage percentage increases.

[JKTrix]

Pretty much all of Lucario's attacks are Aura attacks. I think the damage multiplier maxes out at x2 damage when he's at 200% damage.

Anyway, I just got home from army and my Wii's sexy blue light was pulsing. First arrival of the Smash Service! I'll post the entire text of the Wii Message Board message.


Super Smash Bros. Brawl's Smash Service.

-New Vault data has been sent!-
Additional Vault data has now been made available. Obtain new data by starting Super Smash Bros. Brawl and connecting to Nintendo WFC

*Vault data is scheduled to be sent out every day.
Be aware that each new set of downloaded data will overwrite the last.

Check out the Smash Bros. Dojo!!
www.smashbros.com - Select Language - Nintendo (http://www.smashbros.com)

*This message was delivered to you by the Smash Service.

If you do not wish to receive further messages from the Smash Service, please click the opt-out icon in the uppr right corner of the screen. You can opt-out of receiving messages from (1) the Smash Service only; or (2) all messages for all Channels and Games

What they sent was a Snapshot, a replay, and a custom stage.

The Snapshot is of a bunch of stickers (Moo Moo Milk, 3 faeries-in-a-bottle, and a Dr. Mario body with some red pig on his head). You can't save it on to the console or to the SD slot.

The Replay is of a Bowser in the Home-Run Contest. He hit the sandbag 2365 feet. You also cannot save this.

The custom stage is something pretty simple. A small central floor with steps on either side leading to two elevators that rise up to a higher platform. In the center of the main floor is a little gazebo. Also, unable to be saved.

Kinda sucks that you can't save these things, but I guess these are things that can be used to inspire one's own creativity and make their own. You can also submit your own snapshots or replays or custom stages to be shared through the Smash Service. I submitted my snapshot that I posted earlier (http://forums.eyesonff.com/2441704-post1596.html). Would be cool if I see that pop up on the 'service. This is something that can keep you coming back every day, it's pretty cool.

[KentaRawr!]

I unlocked a good amount of characters just doing VS. matches. I'm pretty sure there's 3 ways to get characters this time around; SSE, VS. Matches, or another method.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I got toon link by clearing classic with Link, and jigglypuff by doing 20 single player events.

on another note, soon after unlocking Wolf, he became my new main.
So if I had to pick a top 5... Wolf, Lucario, Pit, Fox, Marth

I still have some more characters to really try out, but I think those are gonna be my 5

THE JACKEL

[KentaRawr!]

I really like Diddy, but I've got to the point of using him that I suck with everyone else, so I'm trying some different guys now.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Oh, right. This came out.