FFVII Remake Gameplay Trailer

Originally Posted by Fox

Wait.

What if by "we'll be adding extra content" they mean dates with everyone. Even Cid.​

I imagine getting to second base with Red XIII would be awkward.

Originally Posted by Ayen

Originally Posted by Fox

Wait.

What if by "we'll be adding extra content" they mean dates with everyone. Even Cid.​

I imagine getting to second base with Red XIII would be awkward.

Obviously, you haven't been on deviantart for an extended time period

Originally Posted by Fynn

Originally Posted by Ayen

Originally Posted by Fox

Wait.

What if by "we'll be adding extra content" they mean dates with everyone. Even Cid.​

I imagine getting to second base with Red XIII would be awkward.

Obviously, you haven't been on deviantart for an extended time period

And after this statement I will never be on deviantart for an extended time period.

Meh, it's okay

Just watch out for the Sonic fanbase

more like gettin head 13 times lol

Anyone would think that there was only a snippet of gameplay revealed by the way this thread is derailing xD

Speaking of Red XIII though that first scene meeting him in the lab should be interesting.

There are a lot of different opinions on this remake, and as a fan of the earlier FFs I wanted to give mine.

I'm not going to slate the remake, that's the first thing. Will I buy it? Probably not.

I personally would have liked them to have left FF 7 alone. FF 7 was great, the second best game I've ever played behind FF 8.

FF 7 got me into turn-based RPGs, I didn't even know about them before. The closest thing to an RPG that I had played was the Legend Of Zelda series(the first introduction to equipping items etc.).

The thing is.....that was then. FF 7 was great at the time when it came out, and actually still is. I last replayed it in 2012, and it was still a fantastic game to play.

It's incredibly rare to create a game like FF 7. Certain things just have to fall into place, the people working on the project, the technology you have available....and everything came together to make it a fantastic game. And I suppose that's why a huge amount of people wanted it to be remade - they want to feel the way they did when they played FF 7 the first time.

It won't be like that(as much as I want it to be).

There are very few games that can compare to what FF 7 provides(in fact for me only two, Final Fantasy 8, and the first two Shenmue games).

Those of us that have played the original want to feel that again. I've sought it, and although I've played some great games, they can't compare to FF 7 and the ones I've mentioned above.

There has to be something said about lore as well. The storyline will change, and that for me devalues the original game.

Then there are the concerns that people have raised about the battle system. I prefer turn-based, but I won't refuse to play action RPGs. FF 15 has my interest for the moment and I will likely purchase it. The same would go for a FF 7 sequel, set after Advent Children, if it was Action-based combat with Cloud as the main character, I would love that. But one of the things that was enjoyable about FF 7 was the turn based battle system, so they're changing a part of what was so enjoyable about the first game, and for me it's a mistake.

It won't likely be a mistake though for Square's bank balance, which is what this comes down to. They've run out of ideas and need some easy cash, this remake will achieve that. Why not wait and see how FF 15 does...the FF7 Remake will overshadow it and will blunt any momentum that FF 15 will build.

People that have never played FF 7 will probably enjoy playing it, but for someone like me who enjoyed the PS version so much, I prefer to just keep the memories of a unique, fantastic game.

(One final note, those sunglasses on Barrett give me the same foreboding feeling as when I saw that hankerchief-scarf Sonic was wearing in the Sonic Boom promos. You just hope that it's not shallow, cringe-worthy window dressing to try and distract from something that's lacking in the game. With Sonic Boom unfortunately it was.)

Sorry guys, but I'm a bit tired with this argument.

Nobody is going to forcibly change your copy of FF7 on your PSX, PC, etc. This is a new project that is meant to be different from the original, while still being an homage. I honestly see no reason why you would want it to be the same. How would that be worth the money and time?

Especially when in certain moments it was already tried to explain that certain core elements will not change.

Originally Posted by Fynn

Sorry guys, but I'm a bit tired with this argument.

Nobody is going to forcibly change your copy of FF7 on your PSX, PC, etc. This is a new project that is meant to be different from the original, while still being an homage. I honestly see no reason why you would want it to be the same. How would that be worth the money and time?

Maybe I didn't explain myself thoroughly enough - I didn't want it to be remade full stop.

An action-rpg sequel to Advent Children, now that would be exciting. New storyline, new characters(potentially).....but that wouldn't sell as many copies as the FF 7 remake.

I get that you're tired of the argument, and I fully understand . I get tired of hearing things that I don't agree with, but that's why debate and forums exist.

Fox got things summed up very well -

Originally Posted by Fox

Nah, I get the disappointment even if I don't particularly share it. You know, we had action games back in 1997, but there were plenty of people who preferred the slower pace of something turn based like FFVII. It gave you more time to think, it didn't rely on having good reflexes (I have terrible reflexes - it's why I suck at many action games) and it allowed you to micro-manage your entire party, and tell each of them exactly what to do. And that's very appealing to a lot of RPG players - and still is, just play the latest Pokemon or something tactical like XCOM. Flashy action isn't a pre-requisite even these days.

And nothing happened to suddenly make those bad game mechanics. I'm not entirely sure why they fell out of favour, it's not like Final Fantasies 1-10 sold badly or anything. They're only 'outdated' because Square stopped using them in Final Fantasy, and truth be told I'm not entirely sure that's a decision that's worked out for them.

When FF 10 came out, I didn't hear people saying "I've had enough of turn-based battle systems". The game sold well, and got great reviews. FF 10 is even one of my least favourite of the series.

But lets face it, Square got greedy.

They "cracked" the Western gaming market with FF 7, and proceeded to have massive success with 8-10.

However, they had their eye on the gamers that didn't like turn-based battle systems - in pursuing those gamers, they lost some of their core audience. You can't have it all Square.

Fox brought up Pokemon - the Gen 6 games have sold in combination almost 25 million copied worldwide. Square would love that kind of success. They used to have it before they started alienating a lot(admittedly not all) of their fans.

Originally Posted by Fynn

Sorry guys, but I'm a bit tired with this argument.

Nobody is going to forcibly change your copy of FF7 on your PSX, PC, etc. This is a new project that is meant to be different from the original, while still being an homage. I honestly see no reason why you would want it to be the same. How would that be worth the money and time?

I'm getting a bit tired with THIS argument as well.

"Oh, you can just go play your original copy."

Yeah, thanks, I've been doing that for, what, fifteen years now?

I didn't WANT an "homage". I don't think anyone did. We wanted a remake. Something that stays true to what the original was, while updating the parts of it that did not age well, or which were broken, unbalanced, or not fun (and yes, FFVII did have some issues there).

If Square wanted to go make a new game, they could do that. And, guess what? We'd STILL all be mocking it for the design decisions that have emerged thus far.

It is a remake. Comparisons to the original are fair game. When it fails to live up to snuff in areas that a game nearly twenty years old captured excellently, we are going to call it on that. And we are right to do so.

For that matter, we are right to call out those flaws even if it was a new game, and not a remake at all. Remember when FFXIII came out, and we gave it tons of flack for being all flash and no substance? Yeah, we're not only mocking this game because it's different, we're mocking it because we don't like what we see.

We don't want it to just be "the same". We want it to bring things back to when Square made good games. We want turn based combat, because we ENJOY turn based combat, and there are so few good examples of that play style these days. We want the original story, because Square has proven that they can't write a good story anymore if their lives depended on it. We want a game with minigames, with backtracking, with sidequests, with optional characters. With all the things that used to make games great, that FFVII did well, and that it appears the remake is going to smurf up entirely.

Change is not, in itself, a good thing. Some changes are good. Others are smurfing terrible. So far, we've seen one good change: The graphics. And everything else appears to be worse (in my opinion, some people actually like the gameplay). Yes, I'm going to criticize it for this. And if you're tired of it, then you can go back to arguing about the old game, and ignore the discussion of the new one.

We want...
We want...
We want...

Basically what you want is a game you like, and based on the scanty details we've had so far, you've made up your mind that it fails on all counts. Which is fair enough but seems a bit early to do so.

In the end you can go nuts getting annoyed over this remake because you don't like what they're doing, or (if you're that certain you won't like this) you can just shrug and go back to the original game. I know which option I'd prefer. You've been playing the original for fifteen years now? Great, play it for another fifteen! It's not going anywhere.

I can see both sides are deeply entrenched in this war. I hope no one falls back and allows the other advance!

Telling people who don't like the remake to stick to the original is the gaming equivalent of "Don't like it, don't watch it." If they take you up on your offer, they leave the discussion, if they don't, they're asked why they're still in a discussion about something they don't like.

In other words, it's a nice way to tell the other person to go away. How about you stop replying to them if their arguments bother you so much? I'm supposed to be the intolerable dick who dissects opposing viewpoints around here! Don't tread on me, EoFF!

Originally Posted by Ayen

Telling people who don't like the remake to stick to the original is the gaming equivalent of "Don't like it, don't watch it." If they take you up on your offer, they leave the discussion, if they don't, they're asked why they're still in a discussion about something they don't like.

In other words, it's a nice way to tell the other person to go away. How about you stop replying to them if their arguments bother you so much? I'm supposed to be the intolerable dick who dissects opposing viewpoints around here! Don't tread on me, EoFF!

If you don't like it stop arguing and - OH GOD WE'RE IN A LOOP

Originally Posted by Fox

Originally Posted by Ayen

Telling people who don't like the remake to stick to the original is the gaming equivalent of "Don't like it, don't watch it." If they take you up on your offer, they leave the discussion, if they don't, they're asked why they're still in a discussion about something they don't like.

In other words, it's a nice way to tell the other person to go away. How about you stop replying to them if their arguments bother you so much? I'm supposed to be the intolerable dick who dissects opposing viewpoints around here! Don't tread on me, EoFF!

If you don't like it stop arguing and - OH GOD WE'RE IN A LOOP

We need a Doctor!

Whatever the case, the game is being made in the form that it is. All that's left is to deal with it, wait for it to come out, and see how it plays.

Originally Posted by Fynn

Whatever the case, the game is being made in the form that it is. All that's left is to deal with it, wait for it to come out, and see how it plays.

Hopefully this is true, and SE does not overreact to fan outcry over 7 seconds of battle footage. But you never know with them.

SE doesn't strike me as a company with a spine, so you never know.

They tend to go back and forth. XII's open world was a response to the linearity complaints in X, and everything the XIII sequels did was a response to the criticisms XIII got. On the other hand, they seemed to be holding their ground with XV. And that has more in common with VII being still under development.

I wonder what Aerith and Tifa will look like? The shades notwithstanding, Cloud and Barret's designs seem to retain the essence of the polygons in the original game as does the minor characters we've seen so far. Wouldn't surprise me if they follow suit. I also wonder if they got over their Red XIII fur fear. Since I remember reading that one of the reasons Red wasn't seen much in the movie was because the animators were too lazy to design his fur coat.