ff7 riddles

[Lost Number]

OK...I may take it. Im rusty, mind!

Darkness colluding,
A machination of doom.
Four Teutonic beasts of War.
Head on aint an option.

At the base of a memory
of startling aptness,
I block your way,
yet reward your passage.

[CRAPTASTIC AVENGER]

Darkness colluding- sounds like smoke or some conspiricy
A mechinization of doom- I would say the Mako reactors....
4 tutonic beasts of war- pointing toward shinra in some way
Head on aint no option- Beats me!
At the base of a memory- Like the origin of a memory I think
Of startling aptness- Don't have a clue
I block your way yet reward your passage- this is definately pointing towards some type of monster......

[Lost Number]

I mean the first line to be 'working together'.
You are right with machine.
Thats why i refer to the teutons - or their modern counterparts. See the 5th and 6th line.
All wrong on the 5th and 6th line, btw.
Yes, it is.

[Ozmoid]

It's the weapons, isn't it? ther's four(ultima, diamond, ruby and emerald)
They are machine like in appearnace, you crash into ultima, he drops ultima weapon, and ruby and emerald get you master materia and a gold chocbo.
At the base of a memory could refer to the fact that they come out of north crater, where there is an abundance of Lifestream there. The lifestream has a conection to memories in some way, though i may be thinking of ffix's crystal...

[Lost Number]

Nope, not THAt easy.

[Ozmoid]

Working Together-Infiltrated the Cetra, worked with Sephiroth
A mechinization of doom-It was called the calamity
4 tutonic beasts of war- it has 4 forms, birth, life, death and synthesis
Head on aint no option- Jenova didn't have it's head on it's body
At the base of a memory- Jenova changed it's shape to accord with peoples memories
Of startling aptness- Jenova destroyed the Cetra by impersonating their dead relatives
I block your way yet reward your passage-you have to fight her often, but once you beat it, you get ifrit, wizard braclet reflect ring, and to beat sephiroth
Is it Jenova?

[unfairmaiden]

There are five weapons actually: Ultima, Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, and Sapphire. Sapphire is the one that attacks Junon and gets its head blown off by the sister ray.

I agree that the answer is Jenova btw

[Lost Number]

Wrong.

[unfairmaiden]

Darkness colluding, They work together
A machination of doom. Plot evilness
Four Teutonic beasts of War. There are four of them (Reno, Rude, Elena, and Tseng)
Head on aint an option. They block your way

At the base of a memory
of startling aptness, Vincent used to be one
I block your way, You have to fight them
yet reward your passage. You get stuff after they run off

Is it the Turks?

[Lost Number]

Wrong, nothing so obvious.

[SilverPhoenix42]

Does it have anything to do with the organization SOLDIER? I was just thinking of a lot of Cloud's memories and it seems to me that most of them have something to do with SOLDIER in some manner of speaking.

[Lost Number]

Wrong memories.

[HolyMackeral]

You wouldnt make it so easy as to be a boss monster would you LN?

[Lenna]

I think the head on is in reference to back attacks.

Motorball?

Darkness colluding, - It's night-time in midgar when you fight him
A machination of doom. - created to destroy
Four Teutonic beasts of War. - it has 4 parts which you have to destroy
Head on aint an option. - you start off in a back attack situation

At the base of a memory - cloud being in shinra?
of startling aptness,
I block your way, - it's stopping you from continuing your journey out of midgar
yet reward your passage - if you beat him you pass and get reward from it.

[Lost Number]

Wrong. Its NOT a reference to back attacks - its a reference to a physical characteristic.
Darkness colluding does NOT refer to night time.
Yes, right on second line.
4 parts you have to destroy.
5th and 6th will be quite hard right now...leave them.
Sort of right on lats two lines.

[SilverPhoenix42]

Is it the Temple of the Ancients or the Black Materia? In a way it is created to destroy, as it summons Meteor, and you can't exactly fight the temple, which is where Cait Sith comes in. However, I'm not sure about how the four parts comes into play.

[Lost Number]

If you dont know how 4 parts come in, you have the wrong answer! WRONG.

[HolyMackeral]

Kinda sounds a little like Bizzaro Sephiroth, with all those parts - blocking Holy from coming and saving everyone from Meteor.

But that seems a little too simple.....

[G SpOtZ]

At first, I was going to say Carry Armor, but he only has 3 parts. T_T

However, now I'm going to guess that it's to do with the 5 pagoda god people that you have to fight with Yuffie.

Darkness colluding, - All members witness each others' fights.

A machination of doom. - The first four intend on defeating Yuffie, and prevent her from reaching the top of the Pagoda.

Four Teutonic beasts of War. - The first four, defending Godo, might be considered beats of ancient origin, and could have helped fight during the War of Wutai.

Head on aint an option. - To get to Godo, you must beat the first four 1 by 1.


At the base of a memory - "base" may refer to the "home" of Godo, as the Pagoda is his to rule, and "memory" may refer to the fact that Godo hasn't fought there in a long time.

of startling aptness, - Yuffie did not know her own father was the 5th god/beast that resided at the top of the Pagoda, but took it in quickly and fought him.

I block your way,

yet reward your passage - Both of these last two lines can refer to the first four individual Pagoda gods, as you are denied access to the next god if you do not beat the previous. Once you do beat one, s/he congratulates you and let's you move on.
It could also refer to Godo himself, as he (in a sense) blocks the reality of Yuffie's strength, and life. Reward may obviously refer to the prizes you recieve after defeating him.

[Lost Number]

Wrong. I can only say the second line is right, and the 1st line is right but not what I meant.

[G SpOtZ]

Teutonics is supposed to relate to those of ancient people, usually of German origin... so is there a significance to it specifically having to do with something German?

[Lost Number]

Correct.

[Dragon Mage]

The statue in Wutai? It's just a wild guess and I'm not really sure if there are 4 statues. But you do get a lot of goodies in the cave with the fire. (Reward?) Like I said it's a wild guess.

[Lost Number]

No.

[Helios]

Is it the sister ray, (im unsure if thats it's name) the one you fight in Midgar on the 2nd Disc?with Greeve and the other women.

[Lost Number]

No.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

thinking bout the german tinig i think neibelheim is derived from german and i think ther are 4 of them so i'm going to say

the 4 sephiroth clones in niebelheim

[Lost Number]

Wrong. Niebelheim comes from the Danes, I think. Close.

[Dragon Mage]

The only thing I'm good at are wild guesses so that's all you're bound to get from me! and here's another one.

The huge materia? I believe there are 4 of them and you can get stuff from them, they're linked to reactors and were needed to power the cannon. That's my reasoning. I'm probably wrong.

[Lost Number]

...

[Dragon Mage]

I was stupid for even suggesting that, wasn't I?

[G SpOtZ]

Maybe you should hold off on wild guesses and actually take the riddle for what it is: a riddle.

You should probably think about it, because it's obviously thought out, and you aren't taking the hints into consideration. Wild guesses won't work this time, unless you guess through every possible answer in the game.

[Dragon Mage]

Hey, they're not completely wild guesses. I am taking the hints into consideration, it's just that this riddle has me quite confused. If you read my posts at all, you'll notice that I did list some reasons for why I thought such. I can get halfway to answering all the hints but not all of them. Such as, I don't understand how German, Wutai, reactors and the cannon all meet. I just don't. I'm just saying their wild guesses because I can't pull answers for all the hints and have them make sense right out of my ass, okay? So back off.

[Thingfish]

Wrong. Niebelheim comes from the Danes, I think. Close.

Close indeed. Derived from the name 'Niflheim', that being the realm of the dead in Norse mythology.

http://www.answers.com/topic/niflheim

[Lost Number]

Oh, well, I was fairly right. Also, who mentioned Wutai?

[unfairmaiden]

Dragon Mage did it :erm: anyway Niflheim was the elemental realm of ice and was there at the beginning of time along with Muspelheim for some reason it and Helheim are used inter-changably

[Dragon Mage]

I didn't mention Wutai first however. G SpOtZ did, as shown in the quote below.


Darkness colluding, - All members witness each others' fights.

A machination of doom. - The first four intend on defeating Yuffie, and prevent her from reaching the top of the Pagoda.

Four Teutonic beasts of War. - The first four, defending Godo, might be considered beats of ancient origin, and could have helped fight during the War of Wutai.

Head on aint an option. - To get to Godo, you must beat the first four 1 by 1.

At the base of a memory - "base" may refer to the "home" of Godo, as the Pagoda is his to rule, and "memory" may refer to the fact that Godo hasn't fought there in a long time.

of startling aptness, - Yuffie did not know her own father was the 5th god/beast that resided at the top of the Pagoda, but took it in quickly and fought him.

I block your way,

yet reward your passage - Both of these last two lines can refer to the first four individual Pagoda gods, as you are denied access to the next god if you do not beat the previous. Once you do beat one, s/he congratulates you and let's you move on.
It could also refer to Godo himself, as he (in a sense) blocks the reality of Yuffie's strength, and life. Reward may obviously refer to the prizes you recieve after defeating him.

This is LN's reply to the former post.

Wrong. I can only say the second line is right, and the 1st line is right but not what I meant.

Since LN confirmed that Wutai had something to do with the riddle, I made that as my second guess. However, I was wrong. I went back and looked at the previous posts connected to this riddle. And this is what I found.
LN said a number of times that the second line had something to do with a machine that is created to destroy. However, here he confirms G SpOtZ guessed and says that "A machination of doom" is actually people, not a machine. This does not make sense and I am a little confused. LN, can you please explain? Because this will throw people off when trying to solve this riddle.

[Lost Number]

Oh, im so sorry!
A machination of doom - a machiene to destroy, and also prevent progress. Understand? Prevent reaching the top of the tower...thats also right. Wrong tower.
The second line...well,
4 enemies is the closest sense there...I think i got first and second line wrong way round. Um. Sorry. Nothing to do with Wutai.

[Helios]

wild guess: Proud Clod

The line about preventing progress sounds very similar to Yevon in FFX, but i can't think of a place in FF7....

Except maybe Rocket Town?

[Lost Number]

Umm...literal preventing progress. Not like, holding a countyr back or anything.

[HolyMackeral]

Is the tower in question the Shinra Building?

[finalfantasyguy4ever]

fort condor the four tpes of robots not sure so ill say fort condor

[Lost Number]

Both all wrong.

[Dragon Mage]

Thank you for clearing that up LN.

Now allow me sum up what we know.

We're looking for a monster that is a machine with 4 parts or possibly 4 monsters that you have to kill. This monster(s) is preventing you from reaching the top of a tower. When you defeat the monster(s), you gain an item. There is something specifically of German origin here, but not having to do with Niblehiem. 5th and 6th lines are being left out here.

Is this correct? If not please point out what's wrong.

[Lost Number]

Yes, you are perfectly correct.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

going on 4 parts stopping entering a tower, i'm going to say proud clod. it has 4 parts (i think!?) and stops u reaching hojo at the top of his structure thingy

[Lost Number]

Proud Clod has 2 parts. Him, and the Junon Armour (sp?)

[HolyMackeral]

So not the pagoda, not the shinra building, not the 'structure thingy' (sister ray) and not fort condor.

The gold saucer could count as a tower I guess, or perhaps the one in Junon but im starting to get the feeling it isnt a literal tower at all.

[Lost Number]

None of those have been specifically denounced, except the pagoda.

[Dragon Mage]

I would have to guess the monsters on the train at North Corel.
The Gold Saucer could be considered the tower. The train will destroy the town if you don't save it. On the train are 4 monsters you have to kill, all of which are machines. North Correl itself is the 'base' of a memory for Barret which he clearly remembers very well. If you save the town, you gain the Ultima materia.
It's a strech but that's what I found.

[Lost Number]

Sorry, wrong.

[unfairmaiden]

Is it the Vincent sidequest/Shinra mansion? You have four clues and have to fight Missing Number then when you win you get the Odin materia (very teutonic) it blocks your way because you need to solve the riddle and beat the monster to get Vincent and rewards your passage, you get the key to Vincent's room and the chance to recruit an awsome character

[Lost Number]

Nope. Btw...Odin is norse, not teutonic. And its Lost Number, not Missing Number. Trust me - I know.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

thinking about u saying earliewr references to the shinra were correct, and on the 4 teutonics thing, i'm going to say domnio, the mayor of midgar.

he really works for shinra, and requests a word with 4 letters, and gives you a reward for your efforts (the key card and an item if ur lucky)

not sure how this relates to the german thing tho!?

[Dragon Mage]

Well, since it's not Nibleheim, than is it Mideel, the northern city, or Junon? (just doing a process of elimination...) If any which one? (which one is the german from?)

[BG-57]

It it the Grosspanzer tank? It has a German name, and you have to disassemble it, if memory serves.

[Toodleena]

This is quite a stupid guess, and I'm sure I'm way off... but it's the only thing I can think of that hasn't been said already... not sure about the machine bit though >_<
Is it in Cosmo canyon in the cave bit, where you fight that big boss at the end and then Find out that Red XIII's father wasn't a coward, but a great hero?

Darkness colluding, ---well.. it was very dark in there.. wasn't it?
A machination of doom. --- that big boss thingy
Four Teutonic beasts of War. ---he had three little floaty yellow things, didn't he? Or was it two... well, maybe the spiders?
Head on aint an option. ---he's blocking the doorway to where Red's father is....

At the base of a memory --- the big fight thing that took place there ages ago...
of startling aptness, ---......?
I block your way, ---same as "head on aint an option"
yet reward your passage. ---er... with the truth about ]Red's father....?

I'm sure I got that all wrong, but... *runs off*

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

ok, it's been 2 weeks since LN has posted and i hav PMed him twice. shall we start a new riddle?

dp

[Dragon Mage]

yes. this one is going nowhere.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

maybe LN can shed some light on all this when he comes back but for now, does someone want to make a riddle? i'm blanked out at the mo :D

[Lost Number]

Ok, to clarify! My motherboard melted a while ago. I was forced off, til i got this computer off the school. So sorry. Grosspanzer is correct, i'll give reasonin later.

[BG-57]

I'm right? :eek:

Three passages will lead you
Past the lupine terror
And the raptor's claws
To salvation or damnation

[rune kev0]

i think is safe to say that i havent got a scooby doo what the anser is

[BG-57]

Lines 1-3 refer to names. Line 4 refers to a condition.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i think lupine refers to a wolf. am i right?

anyway, going on the 3 names and condition thing, i'm goin to say the last fight against the turks, against rude, reno, and elena. the damnation being game over and salvation being the turks being out of ur hair from then on

[BG-57]

Lupine does refer to a wolf.

It's not the Turks however.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

wow nearly a week with no guesses, guess i'll hav another go

not quite sure wot my answer is here really, but is it the section(s) of the northern cave where ther r 4 routes to take? i'm thinkin 3 of em take you around an area where there is a fiend with a wolf's head and raptors claws (most probably a chimera) and the salvation or damnation probably referring to the final battle

dunno wot ur really looking for in terms of an answer here (char, event, place, etc) but just lemme know if i'm remotely close k?

[BG-57]

Your guesses are on the right track: the names are of enemies. The condition is an event.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it fort condor? there are 4 paths at the top which lead down to 2, the lupine and raptor maybe referring to the beast and wyvern creatures and salvation or damnation is whether or not the boss reaches the hut

[BG-57]

It's not Fort Condor.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

so r u actually looking for 4 answers here? or one answer that links them all

Three passages will lead you - if ur wanting just a name then i'm thinking it begins with "tri" but can't think of an enemy with a name like that
Past the lupine terror - maybe a neibelheim wolf? ir a midgar wolf even?
And the raptor's claws - got me!? maybe materia keeper?
To salvation or damnation - this line still has me stumped, i'm thinking along the lines of victory or defeat (game over) is this right?

ir ur lookin for 1 answer, i'm goin to say Mt. nibel. there are 3 paths around the materia keeper
but none of them actually lead off of the mountain, although u can get some decent stuff (maybe thats the salvation?)

[BG-57]

so r u actually looking for 4 answers here? or one answer that links them all

Four related answers. If you can solve one, it will help you with the other three.


Three passages will lead you - if ur wanting just a name then i'm thinking it begins with "tri" but can't think of an enemy with a name like that

That line refers to three separate enemies that share the same name.


Past the lupine terror - maybe a neibelheim wolf? ir a midgar wolf even?

It's a wolf, but not Neibelheim or Midgar wolf.


And the raptor's claws - got me!? maybe materia keeper?

Not Materia Keeper. Think of specific raptors.


To salvation or damnation - this line still has me stumped, i'm thinking along the lines of victory or defeat (game over) is this right?

It's a victory or defeat condition, but defeat isn't a game over situation-just a very undesirable outcome.


ir ur lookin for 1 answer, i'm goin to say Mt. nibel. there are 3 paths around the materia keeper
but none of them actually lead off of the mountain, although u can get some decent stuff (maybe thats the salvation?)

It's not Mt. Neibel.

[Lenna]

Can I ask, the 3 separate enemies with the same name, do they have the same specific name such as "Something, Something Jnr?" or is it specifically 1 name the same for all of them

if that's the case, the three enemies are Grangalan, Grangalan jr and Grangalan jr jr.

A raptor is a carnivor. a bird of prey, that relates to any flying bird/enemie bird shaped thing in ff7 such as sonic speed, cocatolis, epiolnis etc. It's hard to tell which is which without any specific indication as to what we're looking for.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the train mission to get the huge materia?

there a multiple enemies (isn't the boss a wolf creature?) and salvation being stopping the train and recieveing ultima and damnation being hitting the town and being thrown out forever

[BG-57]

You are correct d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x. The train battles determine the salvation or damnation of the town.

All the remains is to name the bosses. :greenie:

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

damn! ur too picky!?

ok, the wolf one is called "wolfmeister" (i remember cos i kept doing german impressions wen i first met it :D)

*loses commitment and checks gamefaqs* hey i did do all the hard work rite?

gas ducter
air ducter (X2)
wolfmeister
Eagle wing

and of course the thing linking them all is the train journey

:D dp

[BG-57]

You are correct, d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x! Your go. :D

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

woohoo! sorry i cheated a bit :D

left in the shadow
of the organisations rubble
the child gone without a trace
the girls know but won't tell

please post reasoning please :D

[Diddy21]

can u tell us which disc it is from?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Marlene?

left in the shadow
of the organizations rubble (Midgar Sector 7)
a child gone without a trace
the girls know but wont tell (Aeris and her mother know, but don't tell because *gasp* she's a prisoner.)

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope sorry try again

first encounter disc one but accessible at any time

[Anniexo]

okay 1st off I can't believe this is still going and can we have a clue please?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Yeah, clue please. I have no idea who it is.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

whaddya means till goin? its not even been a week yet

hint: you could say that they (<-- plural!?) are related to cloud (?) however, this is a very tenuous link

[Anniexo]

I mean this fourm is still going

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Is it Zack? Wild guess, but I'm fresh out of ideas.
His family doesn't know where he is, but Aeris does.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

ure gettin ther but no. remember it's "they" as ij a collective group of people

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Soldier? Shinra company, and Lucrecia.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope sorry. please post ur reasoning k?

btw i didnt just say no cos u didnt put ur reasonin, it was wrong :D

[Anniexo]

is it cload child self and/or them men in black with the number on them

left in the shadow<<<both cload past and the men in black
of the organisations rubble<<just the black men for follow sephiroth
the child gone without a trace<<<cload child self
the girls know but won't tell<<<<I'm not sure on this line

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

I posted "Shinra Company" as the organization in ruins, and "Lucrecia" as the girl that wouldn't tell. That was my reasoning. The answer was just "Soldier.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

ok, but yeh it was wrong. keep up the reasonin tho :D

all wrong so far

hint 2: stay with the zack thing . . .

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

I'm going to say as my official answer "Cloud, Hojo, and Zack" all involved in the Shinra organizations Sephiroth clone experiment.

Hojo conducted the experiment of course.

Cloud vanished when he was 16? to go join soldier. Tifa knew something was up, but wouldn't tell Cloud directly.

Zack vanished 10 years ago from Gongaga, and Aeris knew but wouldn't tell the family.

Other than that, I'm really starting to dig hard and don't know if I could come up with anything else.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope sorry wrong

i'll repost the riddle to save u flicking around:
left in the shadow
of the organizations rubble
a child gone without a trace
the girls know but wont tell

another hint?
they cannot mourn in the same way as the rest of the people in their town . . .

[Anniexo]

Zack mum and dad since they are the only ones who don't know where he is so they mourn in there own way then the people of Gogasta or what ever it's called and only Tifa and Aries knows about it untill could remembers zack died

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Zack mum and dad since they are the only ones who don't know where he is so they mourn in there own way then the people of Gogasta or what ever it's called and only Tifa and Aries knows about it untill could remembers zack died

Oh, that makes sense now that I think about it more.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

zacks parents is correct! now for the explanation

left in the shadow
of the organizations rubble - live near the ruined reactor left by the shinra
a child gone without a trace - duno wer zack is
the girls know but wont tell - tifa n aeris hav a link but dont say owt

ur go maiyo!:D

[Anniexo]

alright here we go


8 in all
2 goes boom
1 falls down
and 5 are done in by a powerful Materia

Hint
the 1st 3 lines happen at the start of the game and the last happens right at the end

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Mako Reactors?

8 (Midgar's, 1 per sector)
2 (Destroyed by Avalanche)
1 (I can't remember what falls down)
and 5 done in by a powerful materia (can't remember this part either)

[Anniexo]

well done my car is faster then yours you win

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

DIFFICULT!! (maybe)

Fell from on high
Many never knew
But the fall created sorrow
for many years to come.

[Anniexo]

Jenova

[Bowser]

Meteor?!

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Not Jenova, not Meteor.

Hint: (don't know how to make it invisible), Has nothing to do with Jenova, and is very loosely tied to the Meteor.

[Anniexo]

is it that water icy thing sephiroth is in when cloud gives him the black Materia and all the other sutff that falls

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Nope, has nothing to do with Cloud or Sephiroth.

[Carl the Llama]

Its either Cosmo Canyon or the night the Gi Tribe attacked the Canyon

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Nope. No correlation to Cosmo Canyon.

[Cledarius]

How 'bout the northern Cave?

[Anniexo]

is it the tempel where you get the black Materia?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

It has something to do with the Northern Cave. There is one specific name I'm looking for. Possibly a location, or a person, or a weapon.

It doesn't have anything to deal with the Temple of Ancients.

[Anniexo]

I don't know why i'm saying this but holy?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

No, not holy.

Hint #2: It does not include any of the FF7 original party (i.e. Cloud, Tifa, Barrett, etc.)

[Anniexo]

i'm lost now i can't think of what the hell it is

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

to save everyone flicking round i'll repost the riddle

Fell from on high
Many never knew
But the fall created sorrow
for many years to come

is it the WEAPONS? no one knew they were ther and they came in a time of sorrow (long since) and are still creating sorrow now

[Anniexo]

it can't be the wepsons cus they didn't falls

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Not weapons.

Hint: It's a person.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

a person that fell that has something to do with northern cave. it's not jenova and it has nothing to do with cloud or sephiroth? . . .

. . . u got me :D

[BG-57]

Hint #2: It does not include any of the FF7 original party (i.e. Cloud, Tifa, Barrett, etc.)

I'm not sure if you mean all nine major playable characters, or just the the party memebers at the beginning of the game. I'm also wondering if 'fallen' refers to a fall from grace instead of literal falling.

I'm guessing Vincent.

He's an optional character, hidden away for years, so his fall is largely unknown to most. He has been punishing himself for his perceived sins all this time.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

did the ancients fall from the sky? if so, i'm gonna say ancients.

if not, then i guess i'm a doof :D

[Anniexo]

arise? she fell to her death then in to the water and she had the holy that's links to the black Materia and every one was sad about it and you then see her light and holy in the NC

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Fell from on high
Many never knew
But the fall created sorrow
for many years to come.

Reposted riddle, it's not the Ancients, or Vincent, or any of the above.

Hint: This person has long since been gone.

[--One Winged Angel--]

dunno why im saying it but is it zack ?

[Cetra Angel]

Owww? is it JENOVA

[BG-57]

Ifalna?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

No, it isn't Zack, Ifalna, or Jenova.

It's really a minor character that, unless you dig fairly deep, you probably wont even remember them. The first time you hear about them is in Disc 2, and that is the last time you hear about him.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

ooh i think i know it but i can't remember his name. is it the guy that died climbing the mountain up to north cave? u meet his climbing buddy at the bottom in the hut.

[Enjolras]

I'm pretty sure the mans name was Yamski, or something similar to that. He's the man Holzoff talks about when warning you of the dangers of climbing the great cliff at the Northern Glacier.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Enjolras282 is correct! The guy's name is Yamski, the climbing partner of Mr. Holzoff many years back.

Your go.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

go on u can hav it :D i think i'm too nice for my opwn gud

[Enjolras]

Haha well thanks Devils Pheonix, hmm this might be a bit easy but its my 1st one so sorry if its a bit crude...

I am gained in merriment
But used in war
thousands are needed to obtain me
but my usefullness comes to an abrupt end

Its not very poetic or anything, but there you go

[TheSpoonyBard]

EXP Plus materia

[Enjolras]

Thats not the answer, although i guess that does work with the riddle. You're extremely close, though don't think of materia

[--One Winged Angel--]

is it limit breaks ?

[Enjolras]

Nope, sorry.

[BG-57]

Parasol? You get it by getting the super high score (5000 points I think) at Speed Square in Gold Saucer on Disc 1. It's a weapon that can be equipped by Aeris, but it's useful only as long as she remains in the party.

[Enjolras]

Yes, thats it. Except its called 'Umbrella' in the international version. But no matter, its you're turn

[BG-57]

I've seen it listed both ways. Having never gotten one, I simply guessed (I have the U.S. version BTW).

One journeys in air
Others wait on earth
One resides in water
A victim of fire?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Weapon?

Air - Ultima
Earth - Ruby
Water - Emerald

[Enjolras]

Although i think My-car-is-faster-than-yours' answer is more likely, there is the possibility it could be the vehicles you use in the game.

Air - The Highwind
Earth - The Buggy
Water - The Tiny Bronco or the Sub.
All of them at some point except the buggy are a victim of 'fire', whether fire from an enemy weapon or the blast of the northern cave exploding.

[BG-57]

It's neither Weapons nor the vehicles the party uses.

Enjolras282, your answer was actually closer.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Huge Materia

[BG-57]

It's not the huge materia, but it is indirectly related.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Vehicles/places the Huge Materia is found?

[BG-57]

Not exactly, but close. I'm looking for a specific type of vehicle here.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Gelnika-type planes?

[BG-57]

Nicely done Endless. :)

One journeys in air (the Gelnika that takes off with the huge materia)
Others wait on earth (the Gelnikas on standby)
One resides in water (the crashed underwater Gelnika)
A victim of fire? (it may have caught fire before it crashed)

Your go.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Sorry for the delay, it's been a while since I did one of these.

To bring new life
One must bring death
The exchange of arms varies
As does the result

[BG-57]

Is it the Tifa/Scarlet slapfest on the barrel of Sister Ray? :D

[TheSpoonyBard]

Nope, sorry. It's more of a procedure than a single event.

[feioncastor]

Does it have anything to do with that area of Gold Saucer where you fight a bunch of guys and earn points for that roulette thing?

[TheSpoonyBard]

None at all.

[BG-57]

The battles at Fort Condor?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Sorry, nope again. It's describing a part of the procedure, and is something many completionists want to achieve.

[feioncastor]

The breeding of a Gold Chocobo.

[TheSpoonyBard]

That's pretty close.

[Enjolras]

Is it talking to the sleeping man in the cave to obtain Mythril to get Aeris' final limit? You have to have fought a certain number of battles, and it varies as he won't always give you the same thing.

[TheSpoonyBard]

You have to have fought a certain number of battles
That bit's relevant, the rest isn't. feioncastor was very close.

[feioncastor]

Is it the Moogle game in Gold Saucer where you have to feed him nuts to get him to fly so he can get with a chick moogle and make baby moogles?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Nope, you're getting colder. The answer is something quite specific.

[feioncastor]

Methinks it's hint time.

[Enjolras]

Mastering a certain materia?

[aerithsloveslave]

Acquiring the Final Attack materia?

[TheSpoonyBard]

You've had some hints.

It's part of a procedure/process, is related to breeding a Gold Chocobo, and has something to do with fighting a certian number of battles.

[BG-57]

Is it fighting random battles on the Chocobo scratches across the world with Chocobo Lure materia equipped?

[feioncastor]

Mastery of Chocobo Lure Materia?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

I'll say that you have to fight a certain number of battles to unlock each time the Chocobo Sage gives you a hint to breeding Chocobos.

[TheSpoonyBard]

BG-57 and My_car are pretty close, My_car probably moreso.

[Enjolras]

Obtaining the Carob nut by stealing it off the big red dinosaur thing you fight sometimes on the plains near bone village?

Sorry if that's a stupid answer. I did manage to breed a gold chocobo, in both my games in fact, but that was quite a while ago.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Nope.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

How about breeding a special ability Chocobo, not a gold one?

EDIT: I take that answer back

I say, it is "Catching a 'Wonderful?' Chocobo".

[abrojtm]

Is it the process of fighting enough battles for your chocobo to become mature?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Is it the process of fighting enough battles for your chocobo to become mature?
Bingo.

[abrojtm]

Huzzah!

Sometimes it's hard to see
Such an ethereal fiend
Sometimes it's hard to read
Pages lost in time
Somtimes it's hard to hear
In the halls of the dead

Sometimes it's hard to know
Where to go without a guide
Sometimes it's hard to breathe
When there's no air to find you


...This riddle sucks.
There are two answers.

[Enjolras]

Morphing the ghost ship in the undersea rector into the guide book, then giving it to the old man in Kalm to obtain the Underwater materia?

[abrojtm]

Yea.

[Enjolras]

Someone else can write one, my brains' too numb to think of anything decently challenging right now.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

attack of the inanimate
accompanied by their winged allies
defeat causes the fall
and the level to increase

[TheSpoonyBard]

attack of the inanimate Fighing Icicles
accompanied by their winged allies Evil Heads
defeat causes the fall Icicle falls once defeated
and the level to increase The fallen icicles are used as stepping stones to access the next area

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

ur too good at this :D but the last line is wrong.

the steeping stones are already there but the water level they are in is too low for you to access them. dropping the icicles raises that level so u can use the stones.

but ur rite anyway :D of course u wer ur endless, ur never bloody wrong!

[TheSpoonyBard]

forgotten duties
lost to the world
all alone
yet together as one
each working towards one goal
red and the devil guard the way

I'm looking for two answers here. Good luck.

[Anniexo]

Is it the red dragon and demons gate you fight in the temple?

[TheSpoonyBard]

That's the last line, but they're not the answers.

[Enjolras]

Is one of the answers those weird dwarf guys that don't talk wholive in the temple of the ancients?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Yes. Now you need to find the other answer.

[Enjolras]

Is the other answer the clock that you have to run over to acess the different paths?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Nope.

[Anniexo]

dwarf and the Catra ?

[TheSpoonyBard]

No. Enjolras282 has already got the first one, so just focus on the second.

[Anniexo]

Can we have a clue please?

[TheSpoonyBard]

The second answer may not necessarily be related to the first.

[Anniexo]

Holy?...are you a riddle master endless?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Nope, not Holy. A couple of people have said that, but I don't believe them.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

I'm going to say the temple itself, because the temple is designed to keep people from obtaining the black materia.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Nope, not the temple itself.

[Enjolras]

Is it the strange creatures in the black cloaks hanging around for the Reunion?

[abrojtm]

The boulders?

[TheSpoonyBard]

No x2. It's got nothing to do with the Temple of the Ancients or the Sephy Clones.

[Rantz]

Sapphire WEAPON?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Nope, but it is a weapon.

[Enjolras]

Emerald WEAPON?

(When you say it is a weapon, do you mean it's a WEAPON or just any old weapon?)

[TheSpoonyBard]

I said weapon, not WEAPON.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i'm going to say silver rifle. vincents ToA weapon which is in the room with the first wierd ToA guy, that aerith gives u an explanation on.

[TheSpoonyBard]

I'll say it again. The second answer has got nothing to do with the TotA.

[Anniexo]

death penate (or how ever you spell it) Vincent's best wepon?

[TheSpoonyBard]

Nope. The answer's really obvious. Just look for it.

[Dragon Mage]

I'll post the riddle again for reference:


forgotten duties
lost to the world
all alone
yet together as one
each working towards one goal
red and the devil guard the way

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Nope. The answer's really obvious. Just look for it.

So you say, but none of us have found it yet. :(

EDIT: OMG!!!!! Is it the Flayer?

forgotten duties
lost to the world
all alone
yet together as one
each working towards one goal
red and the devil guard the way

[TheSpoonyBard]

Yep. Flayer was the second answer. Enjolras282 or My_car can take the next riddle.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

New riddle posted here too.

A solo through nine, singles up each go
The first double digit, mutiplies your dough
Consecutively after, each ten gets you double
Many never attempt, saying it's too much trouble
It's a battle that cannot be won by pure strength
And yet one that is lost with the lack of length
The returns can be endless, and ultimately great
Or it can be fruitless, only from your hands escaped
To earn something big, it's worth a try
For a few hundred big ones, what am I?

[Anniexo]

catreus?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

I assume you meant Cactaurs? Either way, no.

[Enjolras]

An All materia?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

All materia is not correct.

I'm sorry guys, that riddle was horribly written. Here's the new version.

A solo through nine, singles up each go
The first double digit, mutiplies your dough
Consecutively after, each ten gets you double
Many never attempt, saying it's too much trouble
It's a battle that cannot be won by pure strength
And yet one that is lost with the lack of length
The returns can be endless, and ultimately great
Or it can be fruitless, only from your hands escaped
To earn something big, it's worth a try
For a few hundred big ones, what am I?

[Enjolras]

A Chocobo race upon which you bet?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Not a Chocobo race.

[Enjolras]

Is it the Roller Coaster ride at the Speed Square?

[BG-57]

Sounds a little like the way you earn points at Battle Square. You have to survive a series of battles and although you can quit after winning any single battle, you only earn big points when you hang on until the later battles.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Not the Chocobo race or the Speed Square Roller Coaster. But it has something to do with the Gold Saucer attractions.

[feioncastor]

Battle Square? Is that what it's called? Where you fight and the reels spin between each fight, adding a disability to the fight? I think it's called Battle Square.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Not Battle Square.

[Enjolras]

Is it the way you earn GP on the Basketball Hoop attraction?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Correcto mundo!

A solo through nine, singles up each go (Shots 1-9 = 1 GP)
The first double digit, mutiplies your dough (Shot 10 = x2)
Consecutively after, each ten gets you double (10 after = x2)
Many never attempt, saying it's too much trouble (Obvious)
It's a battle that cannot be won by pure strength (Too much power, you miss)
And yet one that is lost with the lack of length (Too little power, you miss)
The returns can be endless, and ultimately great (You go until you lose)
Or it can be fruitless, only from your hands escaped (You can win nothing)
To earn something big, it's worth a try
For a few hundred big ones, what am I? (Cost 200 gil to try)

[Enjolras]

Chained to a trivial master
Victim of its own deluge
Take it for granted and it'll be over
Filth is its home and refuge.

This one should be pretty easy.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Aps.

Chained to a trivial master (Don Corneo)
Victim of its own deluge (It's Sewer Tsunami damages it as well)
Take it for granted and it'll be over (It's a boss -- could be a tricky battle)
Filth is its home and refuge. (Lives in the sewers)

[Enjolras]

Yeah, you're right.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Clogger of shores
These provide great protection
However, they won't come willingly
So you'll have to use coercion

It rhymes, but it's probably really easy.

[BG-57]

Beachplugs?

I think you can learn the E.Skill Big Guard from them with Manipulate.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Indeed. Your turn, BG.

[BG-57]

Here goes:

The ultimate act of spite
From an abominable foe
For pyrrhic victories
Look no further

[TheSpoonyBard]

Dragon Zombie casting Pandora's Box when it dies?

[BG-57]

It's not Pandora's Box. Although it's a good guess.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Diamond WEAPON attacking Midgar? I'm just trying to think of things that have attack when/just before they die.

[BG-57]

Not Diamond's attack.

Look for the really bad pun. :D

[Enjolras]

Is it a Marlboro's Bad Breath attack?

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Ultima Weapon after you defeat him? When you kill him, he casts Shadow Flare on you.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

goin on wot endless sed, is it shizo? both heads cast that explosive attack when they die

[BG-57]

It's not Bad Breath, Shadow Flare, or Shizo's attack.

[Firo Volondé]

is it the boss you fight at the beginning just before you meet aeris, and just after meeting President Shinra? It explodes at the end, and almost kills Cloud, that's spiteful

[BG-57]

No, but an explosion is involved.

[TheSpoonyBard]

AVALANCHE blowing up reactors?

[BG-57]

Not the Mako Reactor explosion.

The answer is in this post, although not in the text.

[Lost Number]

Not the Mako Reactor explosion.

The answer is in this post, although not in the text.

Its a Bomb blowing up, BG you old fool.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Riddle Repost & hints along with it, so we don't have to flip pages, although I think Lost Number is right.

The ultimate act of spite (kamikaze)
From an abominable foe (A-bomb-inable, bad pun)
For pyrrhic victories (Huge damage to your party member)
Look no further

Hint: The answer is in this post, although not in the text.

Hint: Look for the really bad pun.

[BG-57]

And I thought this one was going to be obvious too. :p

Your go, Lost Number.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

Me wants a riddle!

[Firo Volondé]

If u don't want to do a riddle, lost number, I just thought up a good one...

[Lost Number]

If u don't want to do a riddle, lost number, I just thought up a good one...

Go ahead. I have my riddles stockpiled for a certain time.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

I got a really good one too.

[Firo Volondé]

If anyone else besides me finds this awful, I apologise in advance.

Remember us? Soldiers are we,
Though we die quite easily.
We'll never, ever look the same,
We're waiting to play that grand game.
We stand at the king's gates,
Take us to the palace, we'll be great.