ff7 riddles

[BG-57]

Is it the men in black hoods at the Northern Crater?

[Rantz]

Could very well be, but what about this line then?
"We'll never, ever look the same"

Alhough I guess it could refer to the number tattoos.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

I think that's it too.

[My_car_is_faster_than_you]

My that refers to the fact that they are tattooed SP? different.

[Firo Volondé]

The fourth and fifth lines should be switched, I just wanted to make them rhyme...

Actually, it's more of a Final Fantasy in general riddle than specifically to ff7, I'd just seen them while re-playing 7 and decided to make a riddle about them.

[Cledarius]

Hmm, maybe Biggs and Wedge?

[Firo Volondé]

Correct. Your turn now, Cledarius.

[Cledarius]

Yay my turn!

Ok *thinks of a riddle*

Here an easy one:

Elements are my strenght
if you're not prepared you die

That should do. If not, more lines will come.

[The Mog Ninja]

Um... Aerith?

[Twilight Edge]

Schizo? He has multiple elements (fire, ice, lightning and earth).

[Cledarius]

Jep, Twilight Edge's right. Easy as I said right?

Gimme a new riddle!

[Twilight Edge]

Here goes nothing!

Nutritious in life
Retarded in strife
I breed offsprings off my own body
Yet there is no nutrition in my body

Should be easy enough.

[Dragon Mage]

Er...I forgot what the monster was called, but I'll guess it's those egg shaped monsters outside of Costa del Sol.

[Twilight Edge]

Yep it's Grangalan, easy right? Your go, Dragon Mage.

[Dragon Mage]

Whoa, i can't believe I got it right!

I was in a war with gods,
I was cast down with my brethren.
In Hades we were doomed to dwell,
Exiled by those in heaven.

Who am I?




This probably isn't very good, but it's the best I could come up with right off the top of my head. I can make a better one if you wish, since I'll have more time.

[Firo Volondé]

As a completely wild and random guess, Jenova

[NGU]

Well one Hades was the god of the underworld not a place. Is it Cloud?

Reason: The one winged angel Sephiroth Clouds mortal enemy.

[Rantz]

Scissors?


Well one Hades was the god of the underworld not a place.

Hades (from Greek ᾍδης, Haidēs, originally Ἅιδης, Haidēs or Ἀΐδης, Aïdēs; of uncertain origin[1], although it has been ascribed to Greek "unseen"[2]) refers to both the ancient Greek Underworld and the God of the Dead. The word originally referred to just the god; ᾍδού, Haidou its genitive, was short for "the house of Hades". Eventually, the nominative, too, came to designate the abode of the dead.

[TheSpoonyBard]

I was in a war with gods, AVALANCHE vs. Shinra
I was cast down with my brethren. Wedge fell from the plate support pillar
In Hades we were doomed to dwell, Slums = underworld
Exiled by those in heaven. Shinra. Upper plate = heaven

So I guess my answer is AVALANCHE/Wedge/the people living in the slums.

[Dragon Mage]

All wrong.

But Rantzien, you are on the right track with the Greek thing. I'm using Hades as a place. Keep going.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

the "unknown" monsters aboard the sunken gelnika. i know it's probably too obvious to be right cos of the hades thing but heh someone had to say it!!!

[Rantz]

Ghost Ship?

[Dragon Mage]

sorry wrong.

[BG-57]

Is it Titan? The Titans were the gods that ruled Olympus before Zeus. Once he came to power, he threw most of them into Hades.

[Firo Volondé]

The Weapons?

They were at war with Jenova (sounds like Jehovah, a name for God), then they were cast down doomed dwell under the world, after the Cetra "exiled" them by rendering them unneccessary by defeating Jenova.

[Dragon Mage]

Congrats BG-57! You're correct! Your go.

[BG-57]

I knew all those Greek mythology studies would pay off! :p

A puzzling statement
That is only half-true
It stands in the light of day
But fails in deepest night

[Anniexo]

is it the forgotten city where the fish is cus it's there in the day but gone in the night so you can go down

[BG-57]

It's not the forgotten city.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the "this guy are sick" statement? it's gramatically incorrect and u can read it anymore after meteor is summoned/reunion (is this the darkness?)

[BG-57]

You're getting warmer, but the statement relates to a puzzle.

[Dragon Mage]

The black materia puzzels in the temple? (the ones that Cait Sith had to do and made the temple smaller and smaller)

[BG-57]

Nope. This puzzle is completely optional.

[NGU]

I have a question and a guess.

Q: Is this puzzle something you can do in the game or is it something you just toss around in your head.

This maybe bad but I'm guessing Cloud or his memories.

[BG-57]

It's basically a riddle you can solve in the game.

It's not Cloud or his memories.

[NGU]

I got nothin

[Rantz]

Is it in the cave in Da-Chao where there's a big flame blocking your way, when Cloud says "There's no way we're getting past this flame" or something similar?

It's only half-true because you can get past them, as long as you use the Leviathan Scales to put the flame out. So, when it's burning (in the light of day), the statement is correct, but when it's put out (in deepest night), the statement fails.

[BG-57]

It's not the flames of Da-Chao.

Think back to biology class in high school.

[Rantz]

Photosynthesis... ? :p

Nah, just kidding. But I keep thinking of Ancient Forest. That is the only thing I can remember from the game that's strictly a puzzle, but I can't remember any "statements" there. I'll keep thinking.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the riddle u solve for one of the digits for the safe in shinra mansion? the riddle is the place with the most oxygen or something like. (plants and O2, who'da thunk it!?:D) stands in light and not at night cos plants don't photosynthesise at night.

[NGU]

It's not the flames of Da-Chao.

Think back to biology class in high school.

Fantastic I was away for most of it this year!

[Rantz]

Ah, that's probably it, Devil's phoenix.

[NGU]

I agree

[Dragon Mage]

does it have something to do with the Shinra bio-engineering humans?

[BG-57]

is it the riddle u solve for one of the digits for the safe in shinra mansion? the riddle is the place with the most oxygen or something like. (plants and O2, who'da thunk it!?:D) stands in light and not at night cos plants don't photosynthesise at night.

Yeah, the answer did involve photosynthesis. :laughing:

The statement was along the lines of: "The lid of the box in the room with the most oxygen."

Anyway, your go, d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

w00tness!? ok let's see . . .

enduring through the worst
and releasing the pent up fury
coupled with the destruction of hundreds,
and exploration, from sea to show,
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories
to unleash the true potential

ok granted this is a little vague but i'll undoubtable drop some hints if endless doesn't come along and solve it in one post :D

[TheSpoonyBard]

Breeding chocobos and finding the materia in the caves?

enduring through the worst Battles, failed breeding attempts, etc.
and releasing the pent up fury Might get angry during the process
coupled with the destruction of hundreds, Need to kill enemies in order to capture chocobos
and exploration, from sea to show, Different types appear in different areas of the map
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories Materia is the knowledge/memories of the Ancients. With chocobos you can find new materia in the caves
to unleash the true potential KotR as an example of above materia?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

OMG!!! u dint get it in one go!!! *faints*

well ur reasoning is sound but no, that aint rite

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

It sounds like one of those metaphorical things. Darn if there were seven lines I'd think it was someone's limits. They might be refering to weapons as well.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

don't give up just yet, oh and btw . . .

. . . I DEMAND REASONING!!! :d

[Dragon Mage]

ancients/aeris.

enduring through the worst-survived destruction of the race
and releasing the pent up fury-I'd be mad if my race was nearly wiped out
coupled with the destruction of hundreds,-the cetra were nearly destroyed
and exploration, from sea to show,-the key of the ancients is in the sea and when used, you see a 'show'
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories-only one that can unlock the power of the ancients
to unleash the true potential-holy

[NGU]

Sephiroth
enduring through the worst-He found out he was artificaily made i'd rate that bad.
and releasing the pent up fury-Set fire to Nibleheim
coupled with the destruction of hundreds,-He killed too many people just too many.
and exploration, from sea to show,-The Jenova battle on the ship and the battles at other locations?
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories-Remembering his past sort of learning what happened.
to unleash the true potential- to find the promised land

[Firo Volondé]

Cloud:

enduring through the worst: Mako testing done on him
and releasing the pent up fury: Not sure
coupled with the destruction of hundreds,: Cloud killed hundreds of enemies in random encounters:D
and exploration, from sea to show,: Travels all over the world during the game
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories: What really happened at Nibelheim
to unleash the true potential: Omnislash

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope all wrong so far

HINT: it's a process

[NGU]

materia
enduring through the worst: The misuse of it
and releasing the pent up fury: the power of the materia
coupled with the destruction of hundreds,: the power used to destroy
and exploration, from sea to show,: to find the white materia
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories the knowlegde of the cetra
to unleash the true potential to master the materia.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope, keep at it

[BG-57]

Is it getting Chaos and Death Penalty?

enduring through the worst (Vincent's life)
and releasing the pent up fury (his monsterous limit breaks)
coupled with the destruction of hundreds (mastering Death Penalty requires slaying hundreds of foes)
and exploration, from sea to show (Lucrecia's cave is hard to find)
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories (you learn about Vincent's and Sephiroth's past)
to unleash the true potential (self explanatory)

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

sorry but no. keep at it

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Hmm, the vincent guess was actually kinda close actually, and it's not as metaphorical as I thought.

enduring through the worst (getting attacked enough to fill limit gauge)
and releasing the pent up fury (using a limit break (a bunch of times))
coupled with the destruction of hundreds, (thats how you get to next lim lvl)
and exploration, from sea to show, (find lvl 4 lims)
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories (you use it as an item to teach it to them)
to unleash the true potential (then you can use the lvl 4 limit)

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

so wot actually is ur answer here weimer? cos ur very close

[Rantz]

Levelling up limit breaks?

With Weimar's reasoning. He did the thinking there so if it's right he should of course get the turn.

[spartancode117]

jeez, i would have never got close to that. i suck at riddles.

[NGU]

Levelling up limit breaks?

With Weimar's reasoning. He did the thinking there so if it's right he should of course get the turn.

Well spoken

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

the actual answer i was looking for is learning the lv4 limit, but ur close enough so i'll give you it.

enduring through the worst
and releasing the pent up fury --> taking attacks to fill ur limit, and using it to get the 2nd in a lvl
coupled with the destruction of hundreds, --> killing lots of enemies to get the first in the next lvl
and exploration, from sea to show, -->exploring to find the required item, sea being the gelnika for highwind and show being the battle arena
discovering the lost, perhaps hidden memories --> finding items which unlock something, in this sense hidden abilities
to unleash the true potential --> it's a lvl4 limit :D

i guess it's weimer's go then

[NGU]

YAY go weimar

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

K here goes.

Let me fly above the earth.
The earth splitting everywhere.
Such a terrible event.
Total random destruction.
My Messiah, please heal the earth
Before God starts from scratch.
I fear I shall not be reincarnated now.
And so the universe will only remember the Earth.

What is this riddle referring to?

[Rantz]

Ultima WEAPON dying? My reasoning should be pretty obvious, but ask if anything's unclear (if you want reasoning that is).

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Hmm, that answer does kinda work with some of the lines, but no it's wrong.

[Firo Volondé]

Sounds like Holy/Lifestream/Meteor.

Let me fly above the earth.
Holy needed to be high above the Planet to destroy Meteor.


The earth splitting everywhere.
Such a terrible event.
Total random destruction.
Sephiroth using Meteor to damage the Planet for his own plans.


My Messiah, please heal the earth
Before God starts from scratch.
Sephiroth was planning to absorb the Lifestream's energy used to heal the Planet to become a god.


I fear I shall not be reincarnated now.
And so the universe will only remember the Earth.
After Sephiroth absorbed the energy of the Lifestream, the Planet would most likely die.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

No it doesn't have much to do with the story.

[NGU]

reds family
I wont go into it much but it makes sense

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

no, think gameplay. Count how many lines are there in the riddle.

[Rantz]

New page repost:

Let me fly above the earth.
The earth splitting everywhere.
Such a terrible event.
Total random destruction.
My Messiah, please heal the earth
Before God starts from scratch.
I fear I shall not be reincarnated now.
And so the universe will only remember the Earth.

[BG-57]

It's the level 4 limit breaks:

Let me fly above the earth (Highwind)
The earth splitting everywhere (Omnislash?)
Such a terrible event (Catastrophe)
Total random destruction (Chaos)
My Messiah, please heal the earth (Great Gospel)
Before God starts from scratch (All Creation)
I fear I shall not be reincarnated now (Final Heaven)
And so the universe will only remember the Earth (Cosmo Memory)

Cait Sith doesn't have a level 4 limit break, so there's eight total.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Very good, BG-57. Your turn.

[BG-57]

Cool. :)

A Corona encircles
The Dragoon's weapon
It can bestow on you
The Sandman's tools

[feioncastor]

Are you referncing the Bone Village Excavation Site?

[BG-57]

Good guess, but no.

[NGU]

What you recieve from defeating the weapons
The ultima weapon
the gold chocobo
the master materias
the last two are from the old guy in that town :(

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Something to do with Cid?

[BG-57]

No and no.

Although the second line refers to the sort of weapon that Cid would equip, it's not any of his specific weapons.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i took it to literally translate to:

a circle surrounds
a spear
it can give you
the power of sleep

unless dragoons weapon refers to blue magic/enemy skills? in which case i'll guess frog song

[Emerald weapon]

wutai mountains?
the fires in a sorta circle
you the get the dragoon lance there i think
and the levithian scales put the flames to ''sleep''

[BG-57]

It's not Frog Song or Wutai mountains.

It is a lance of sorts.

[Enjolras]

Is it Odin's Gunge lance?
A Corona encircles - It creates a kind of corona of light when it blasts through the clouds
The Dragoon's weapon- It's a Lance
It can bestow on you
The Sandmans tools- It's good at K.O-ing enemies?

[BG-57]

It's not Gunge Lance.

Lines 1-2 refer to the name.
Line 3 is a process.
Line 4 is the result of the process.

[Dragon Mage]

It wouldn't have anything to do with stealing would it? I'm thinking of the cactus 'man' you steal the TetraElemental from.

[BG-57]

It's not Cactuars. And the process isn't stealing, but one that requires a yellow materia nonetheless.

[feioncastor]

A Corona encircles
The Dragoon's weapon
I believe this line refers to the enemy called "Crown Lance".


It can bestow on you
If you use Manipulate on it...

The Sandman's tools
You get a "Dream Powder", which puts enemies to sleep.

[BG-57]

We have a winner! :D

Although it's the 'Morph' command that I was referring to.

Your go, Feion.

[feioncastor]

We have a winner! :D

Although it's the 'Morph' command that I was referring to.

Your go, Feion.

That's what I meant, obviously. Manipulate doesn't help too much when trying to turn someone into an item.



This demanding object
might be useful for holding things
Hell, just heal it if you got 'em
And it will prove more useful
than just storage and transport.

[Dragon Mage]

Magic Pot

[feioncastor]

And within one turn, and zero hints (by my count), we have a winner. Take it away.

[Dragon Mage]

In the darkness deep
We three lie unfound.
Darkest secrets ours to keep,
Echoed in an unheard sound.

We are what you’ve never seen.
Science has given us no name.
For your blood we are so keen.
Similar we are, but far from being the same.

Our bodies hold powers
That you may find of use.
Stronger than herbs and flowers,
But gained after much abuse.

(please feel free to ask any questions)

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the unknown creatures aboard the sunken gelnika?

In the darkness deep --> sunken ship
We three lie unfound. --> i think there 3 different kinds isn't ther?
Darkest secrets ours to keep, --> there's lots of treasures aborad the gelnika
Echoed in an unheard sound. -->dunno bout this one!?

We are what you’ve never seen. --> only found on board the gelnika
Science has given us no name. --> theyre called unknown
For your blood we are so keen. --> they hav powerful attacks, and do some cause drain?
Similar we are, but far from being the same. --> all called unknown but all look different

Our bodies hold powers --> the stat sources u get from morphing them
That you may find of use. --> theyre stat sources duh!?
Stronger than herbs and flowers, --> u can't get extra permanent stats any other way
But gained after much abuse. --> high HP lvls

[Dragon Mage]

Damn, you're good. No hints at all. Correct! You're go.

I'll shed a little light on what you didn't get...


Echoed in an unheard sound. -->dunno bout this one!?

'Sound' is also defined as a channel, fjord, etc. The Gelinka wasn't in a channel, but it pertained to water.


For your blood we are so keen. --> they hav powerful attacks, and do some cause drain?

Poision-form of drain. (and trying to hint at monsters)

man, I spent a lot of time on that thing too, and you get it right off the bat. Dang. Made it too easy.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

sorry man, but i did guess the unknown creatures in a previous riddle so it was sorta in my head :D

a prize requiring emotion
that lays just out of reach
with facilities present for recovery
and communication in the morn

[feioncastor]

sorry man, but i did guess the unknown creatures in a previous riddle so it was sorta in my head :D

a prize requiring emotion
that lays just out of reach
with facilities present for recovery
and communication in the morn

Does it have anything to do with the emotionally expensive time share that's available for purchase in Costa Del Sol?

[BG-57]

It might be that Elixir that sits on the top shelf in the Kalm Inn that if you try to reach for it enough times, Cloud gets annoyed and stomps his foot, causing it to fall into his grasp. :p

[feioncastor]

Yeah, it might be. It's not like it totally fits, line for line or anything.

Curses on BG-57 and his never-ending fount of knowledge.

BG, you're so humble and nice about it. You could've say, "Feion, you're a retard, you're way off, go home and let me give you the right answer", but instead you just said "It might be".

Hehehehe.

[Firo Volondé]

This is probably way off, but is the save circles, which allow recovery (tents) and communcation (PHS)?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

yeh BG got it it's the elixir in the kalm inn.

the prize ebing the elixir, the required emotion being anger, the recovery being the beds in the same room, and the communications being getting the PHS from barret in the mornin

[BG-57]

Yeah, it might be. It's not like it totally fits, line for line or anything.

Curses on BG-57 and his never-ending fount of knowledge.

BG, you're so humble and nice about it. You could've say, "Feion, you're a retard, you're way off, go home and let me give you the right answer", but instead you just said "It might be".

Hehehehe.

I can live with nice. :)


yeh BG got it it's the elixir in the kalm inn.

the prize ebing the elixir, the required emotion being anger, the recovery being the beds in the same room, and the communications being getting the PHS from barret in the mornin

Ah well, I missed the reference to PHS.

Two to the Nine
Will make you sick
And even worse he
Brings all his friends

[Emerald weapon]

the toxic barf guys?

[BG-57]

No, but you've got the right element.

[Emerald weapon]

the posion pots you encounter in the shinra building?

[BG-57]

Nope.

Try to solve the math part.

[Dragon Mage]

1st-Ray? Kinda random, but they do have 18 HP.

[feioncastor]

If you mean 2 to the 9th power, I'm seeing 512. I don't see what it has to do with any enemies. Even if you meant 2 times 9, I still don't see the connection to a specific enemy.

[BG-57]

It actually is related to 512. And Poison.

[Lost Number]

OK, i have a couple of ideas as to the interpratation there. Either it is an enemy who takes 512 hp damage from poison (there are no enemies with 512 HP, MP, or Gil drop), or it is an attack which uses 512 MP...but thats ridiculous, why did I type that?
From the context it is used, it would seem as though "512" is referring to the enemys name.
My guess here is gonna be the enemy you face in the Shinra tower, made by Hojo. I dont have his name, but it is a code of numbers and letters, and he summon 3 lesser enemies to fight alongside. I will look his name up now.EDIT: HO5I2 is his name. I personall always thought it wasnt a number, but a chemical formula, with that being an I, not a 1. Either, thats my answer.

[BG-57]

You're correct, Lost Number! Your go. :)

[Lost Number]

You're correct, Lost Number! Your go. :)

Uh...damnit, I skip! Im too busy to make one right now, sorry folks~ I will be back to riddling tomorrow, so next time its my turn, i'll be ready.

[BG-57]

I'll pass as well. Next riddle is up for grabs.

[Rantz]

*grabs*
Ok, here's a simple one.

In an early hour
I'll give you priceless power.
For I've seen what's to cry for,
and I've seen what's to die for.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Hour? uuummm, something to do with that clock in the Temple of the Ancients?

[Rantz]

Nope.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the hardedge weapon you can steal for cloud in the shinra building? it's at an early hour (start of game) and is priceless cos u can't buy it anywhere yet.

[Rantz]

You're getting there, but no. :)

[Bartolli]

Hmm,

Is it the Holy Materia?

In an early hour - It's first spoken of in the Church
I'll give you priceless power. - You can't buy it, it's supremely powerful.
For I've seen what's to cry for, - OK, this doesn't really match up
and I've seen what's to die for. - Aeris dies praying for it.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the armour u can steal from the SOLDIERs in the shinra mansion? can't remember the name :D ooh! is it carbon bangle

[Rantz]

Neither Holy Materia nor Carbon Bangle. Hint: It's an inventory item.

[Lost Number]

Damnit I cant remember what they are. All i can think of is the key of th ancients.

[starseeker]

Aeris' final weapon. I think it's an umbrella

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

by inventory item do u mean key item?

[Rantz]

By inventory item I mean an item that can be found under the "Item" command in the menu. :)

Not Key to the Ancients, not Umbrella.

[Dragon Mage]

Key to the Basement, in the shinra mansion?

You have to get the combo to the safe in a certain amount of time, you also get the Odin materia (power), Vincent's life is pretty screwed up and he's an emo.

Am I right?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

No, he said an item from the item menu, not key items, I don't think. I'm trying to think of one that makes sense.

So, is it one of those items that casts a spell when you use it? Darn, I'm not very fluent in those. Um, grenade? You get that early in the game.

[Rantz]

No and no.

Both ordinary items and key items are found under the "Item" command in the menu, so it can be both.

[BG-57]

I can't think of an early acquired object that involving both crying and death, so I'll go with Ghost Hand, which drains MP.

[VitalChance]

Phoenix Down???

[Enjolras]

Hmm I was gonna guess Ghost Hand, but I guess you got there first BG.

[Rantz]

Nope, neither Ghost hand or Phoenix Down. I'll repost the riddle with a new hint soon.
Edit: The new hint is: You don't see the death in question.

The riddle:
In an early hour
I'll give you priceless power.
For I've seen what's to cry for,
and I've seen what's to die for.

Wrong answers:
The big clock in the Temple of the Ancients
Hardedge
Holy Materia
Carbon Bangle
Key of the Ancients
Umbrella
Key to the Basement
Grenade
Ghost Hand
Phoenix Down
Tissue
Digestive
Buster Sword
Vagrisk Claw
Gatling Gun
God's Hand
Grand Glove
Cosmo Memory (item/skill)
Great Gospel (item/skill)

Hints / notes:
The answer is an inventory item.
You don't see the death in question.
The answer is acquired during Disk 1 (This is the meaning of the first line).
The answer is not a "Limit break item".

[VitalChance]

Tissue

[VitalChance]

that or the Digestive....

[Rantz]

Neither.

[Enjolras]

Is it the Buster Sword? I suppose you could say it gives you priceless power at the beggining of the game, it's with you when you see some things to cry for, and it was there when Zack was killed. Although there is an optional flashback that shows you the event of his death, you don't really see him die.

[BG-57]

That may well be it, but I'll guess Vagrisk Claw just to put out another guess.

[Firo Volondé]

To diverge from Enjolras' point, is it the Gatling Gun? Like the Buster Sword, it is used in the 'early hours' (beginning of game) and is 'priceless' (you cannot sell it), and the whole thing with Barret and Dyne for the last two lines?

[Rantz]

Nope, it's not referring to quite as early items as Buster Sword or Gatling gun, but it is acquired during the first disk.

[Gullick]

but it is acquired during the first disk.

is this the meaning behind the first line?

-Gull-

[Dragon Mage]

Is it God's Hand? It's a weapon for Tifa that you can steal in the Mythril mine in the first disk.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

No, you get the God's Hand on Disc 2 right before you try to get the blue sub. It's the Grand Glove you get from the Madouges in the Mythril Mine. I have a feeling that's wrong, though. I'll guess Cosmo Memory.

[Firo Volondé]

The item used to teach Aerith Great Gospel?

In an early hour - You must obtain it on the first disc, or it's not much use;)
I'll give you priceless power. - Great Gospel
For I've seen what's to cry for, - not sure
and I've seen what's to die for. - Aerith dies?

[Rantz]

Gullick: Yes, the first line basically means "In the first disk".
It's not God's Hand, Grand Glove, Cosmo Memory (item/skill) or Great Gospel (item/skill).

Also, a minor hint: It's not any of the Limit break learning items.

[Enjolras]

Is it the Seraph Comb?

In an early hour- It's acquired in disk 1 through the events at Cosmo Canyon
I'll give you priceless power-It's attack power for that stage of the game is quite high, also it cannot be sold
For I've seen what's to cry for- When RedXIII receives it his fathers statue is crying
And I've seen what's to die for- It's with Seto when he is killed by the Gi tribe's poison arrows.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Wow, that's a good guess. Wish I thought of it.

[Rantz]

Yes Enjolras282, you're correct! Your reasoning is correct as well, although with "priceless" I meant that it can't be neither sold nor bought, but it's not exactly a big deal. :)

Well done, your go.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i actually have a little question before the next riddle starts. u can't sell the silver comb either can u? but it's just a normal ass weapon u bought!? sup with that? maybe cos it's from cosmo?

[Enjolras]

You mean the Silver Barrette? Nah I don't know either, probably just because you get it at Cosmo.

Anyway, I've attempted to write a semi-decent riddle...

Little can stop the abhorrent flood
Deterioration in tow
An offence against one linked through blood
The intention a long time to glow.

[Dragon Mage]

hmmm.....the submarine mini-game? I'm probably wrong.

[Enjolras]

Not the Sub mini-game, sorry.

[feioncastor]

OOOH Is it battle square in Gold Saucer?

You seem to be abhorrently flooded by status afflictions, which deteriorate you. And then your goal is to kill as many enemies as possible without dying, for the last two lines.

[Firo Volondé]

That monster you fight right after the 'dress Cloud up like a girl' scenario? That uses the water attack that also hurts itself.

[Enjolras]

Neither of those, sorry.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the flood attack that bottomswell uses wen it dies? causes a flood upon dying. dunno how it links to the last 2 lines tho.

[BG-57]

Is it Leviathan, the water-based summon? You get the Leviathan materia for defeating Goda, who is the father of Yuffie (linked through blood).

[Enjolras]

It's neither, but you're kind of on the right track BG.

[Halenite]

Yuffie's lvl4 Limit All Creation?

Little can stop the abhorrent flood- ??
Deterioration in tow- a devastating attack
An offence against one linked through blood- get it from Godo
The intention a long time to glow- the attack sorta glows

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it when sephi kills aerith?

Little can stop the abhorrent flood --> u can't stop sephi's descent
Deterioration in tow --> aerith dies after
An offence against one linked through blood --> theyre both ancients (or have anceint blood in them)
The intention a long time to glow --> aertih still manages to summon holy as the white materia glows green

[Enjolras]

Both good guesses, but neither is correct.
A big clue: BG and Halenite had very close to the right idea for the third line of the riddle.

[BG-57]

Leviathan Scales, the key item that quenchs the fires in the Da-Chao?

[Enjolras]

You're actually getting colder.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

so i'm guessing it's something to do with wutai, yuffie, godo and leviathan?

i'm going to guess the pagoda sidequest based on these, but i'm not sure how it links to each line in the riddle!?

i'll repost the riddle to save people flicking around

Riddle:
Little can stop the abhorrent flood
Deterioration in tow
An offence against one linked through blood
The intention a long time to glow

[Enjolras]

The answer does have something to do with the pagoda sidequest.

[BG-57]

Is it Trine, the Enemy Skill that Godo teaches?

[Enjolras]

No, but you are extremely close. At this stage the line 'Deterioration in tow' would probably be the biggest clue.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i'm going to guess it's the bio3 attack that godo uses un yuffie in the pagoda. (is it bio3 or bio2 :D)

[Enjolras]

You are absolutely right Devils phoenix, the answer is the Bio attack Godo uses on Yuffie.

Little can stop the abhorrent flood-Bio is a floodlike attack, and is certainly abhorrent
Deterioration in tow-It deteriorates your HP bar
An offence against one linked through blood-Godo uses it on Yuffie, his daughter
The intention a long time to glow-Poison make you glow bright green (although this line was mainly just to make it rhyme.).

You're up, Devil.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

wow, devil! like it! :D

Master of the forest
arm's like german wines
confrontation at final lone battle
but only for the average

[leader of mortals]

Kjata?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope, sorry. were u just thinkin of that from the first line!?

i know i didn't say it befoe but plz post reasoning :D tia

[opiumcloud]

Lets see.......Um............Give me 15 minutes.......Ill think of somthing!

I got the answer to this riddle! It's the chocobo sage! :)

[leader of mortals]

Master of the forest doesnt sephy say something about the forest while chasing aeris in?

arm's like german wines I have no reasoning because i dont know any german wines

confrontation at final lone battle Cloud fights the final battle against sephy, and cloud is alone

but only for the average Sephy is killed with like 1 attack

Sooooo... is it Sephiroth

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope sorry both wrong.

HINT: one of the lines refers to another game in the final fantasy series

[BG-57]

I really don't know. :confused: But I'll guess Wolfmeister, because meister is German for master and it's a boss.

[Firo Volondé]

I'll guess Heidegger, for the sole reason that his name is German.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope and nope keep at it

HINT: the "german" thing isn't actually in reference to the game

[BG-57]

I'll guess Proud Clod, since it has lower arms that look like wine bottle with labels.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope sorry

HINT: for the german thing, think of the stereotypical accent . . .

[BG-57]

So the arms are like Vines?

[Lost Number]

Makes me think of a) Jenova SYNTHESIS, cos of the arms, but...its not a lone battle, nor does "master of the forest" fit in. I cannot think of any other lone battles with the arms, except maybe Carry Armour, but forest dont fit, nor does the hint regarding referencing another FF.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

well done BG stick with it

and yes LN the assumptions u made are correct, it isnt jenova synthesis or carry armour

[Enjolras]

Is it the Ochu? It's a plant, so it could be the master of the forest, it's arms are vines, and it's also one of the final, lone battles at the monster arena.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Oh yeah, it would be one of those final battles in the battle arena, but make sure it's only before you get the W Summon and Omnislash. It might be Ochu since the only thing it can't be is Proud Clod since I think that's the only final battle after you do that. I can't think of any others since it's been a while that might be another final battle in the battle arena.

[BG-57]

Is it the Ochu? It's a plant, so it could be the master of the forest, it's arms are vines, and it's also one of the final, lone battles at the monster arena.

It has to be Ochu. It was a boss in FFX in the forest near Kilika Temple.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

yup enjolras is correct, it's ochu. technically in ff7 it's called ho-chu but i'll let u hav it.

Master of the forest - he is referred to as the master of the forest in ffx
arm's like german wines - stereotypically, germans pronounce ther "w's" as "v's" wen speaking english, so it'd be pronounced vines
confrontation at final lone battle - ther is a chance it'll appear for the final battle in the batrtle arena . . .
but only for the average - . . . but only for the standard battles.

ur go enjolras

[Enjolras]

Sorry for taking so long guys,

A signal of some distant comfort
The world-loving Indian shows clear
An acquisition of butterflies can be made here
The prize may decrease your fear

Not exactly the stuff of brilliance, I know...

[Lost Number]

Is it Shiva (world loving Indian?)

[Enjolras]

No, sorry.

[BG-57]

Indian could also refer to Native Americans, and the people of Cosmo Canyon fit that description; both RedXIII and Bugenhagen wear decorative feathers.

But I can't find any monsters that exactly fit the description of butterflies that give comforting items.

The closest match I can find is Kimara Bug, which has an attack called Butterfly Attack, and it can be morphed into an Hourglass or have a Spider Web stolen.

[Dragon Mage]

A signal of some distant comfort
The world-loving Indian shows clear
An acquisition of butterflies can be made here
The prize may decrease your fear

Just reposting the riddle for convinence.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

going on what BG sed bout cosmo canyon-ers being like ancient indians, and the "aquisition of butterflies" am gonna guess it has something to do with the ancient forest (as obvious as it seems :D)

prize decreasing ur fear? maybe slah-all? allowing u to kill lots of enhemis in one fell-swoop

(ZOMG!!!! we've nearly got 100 pages of riddles :D:D:D)

[Dragon Mage]

OMG. I think i just solved it. I knew it was there I just forgot what it was.

I'll guess it's the Butterfly Edge you can get in Cosmo Canyon.

A signal of some distant comfort...................The machine with the weird sounds
The world-loving Indian shows clear...............
An acquisition of butterflies can be made here..The Butterfly Edge, a sword for Cloud
The prize may decrease your fear...................New sword=more damage. Now killing monsters is easy and you don't have to fear getting killed in battle.

[Enjolras]

Well...Dragon Mage is very close, in a way.

The word 'Indian' is refering to Native Americans, but only one person in the game.

[BG-57]

Okay I'll guess Bugenhagen as the Indian then.

Is the prize that decreases fear is the ability of the huge materia to synthesize master materia?

[Enjolras]

Sorry, it's not Bugenhagen, or the ability to turn your materia into a master.

The 4th line is actually the least important line in the riddle, it still contributes slightly to the answer, but it's mainly just there to rhyme.

[Lost Number]

Well then, its makes me thick of a weapon, possibly for Red XIII, but I remember so little...i think thats what it must be.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

am gonna guess it's tigerlilly, the girl selling weapons in cosmo. tigerlilly is a popuular native american name and u can obtain the butterfly edge from her

[Enjolras]

Tiger Lilly is the person i'm referring to, but she's not the answer.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

wot r we actually looking for here? item? place? person?

A signal of some distant comfort --> i'm guessing the turtle's paradise letter next to tigerlilly's weapon shop in cosmo
The world-loving Indian shows clear --> tigerlilly's shop is dis[playing the letter
An acquisition of butterflies can be made here --> butterfly edge
The prize may decrease your fear --> butterfly edge is the strongest sword in the game at that point

i'm gonna guess it's the turtle's paradise newsletter ur wanting!?

[Enjolras]

Haha you are absolutely correct Devil, it is the Turtles Paradise letter I'm wanting, although the last line referred to how finding all the TP flyers gets you a whole lotta sources, raising your stats and therefore decreasing your fear. Sorry it wasn't an amazing riddle.
Anyway, looks like it your turn again.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

ossome! gettin gud at this! :D

maybe an experiment
maybe helping newbies
maybe with the forgotten
maybe with the forgetful

hints in a bit. reasoning please.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Aeris might have been an experiment, she um, well I don't remember where she helped newbies but Cloud did, and when she dies she ends up in the Forgotten City I think it's called of the Ancients, and maybe with the forgetful might mean might be with Cloud on the date. So, my guess is Aeris.

[Carl the Llama]

maybe an experiment ======> Nanaki has the scar XIII on him and he isnt sure weather he is an experement.
maybe helping newbies ====> when you get him he helps you but you could muff it up by useing poison on the boss.
maybe with the forgotten ==> he is suposedly the last of his race, so im assumeing it might be that people have 'forgotten' about his race
maybe with the forgetful ===> not sure :/

so my guess is Nanaki.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope and nope

it's an object <-- HINT

[BG-57]

Buster Sword?

It's Cloud's (the forgetful?) initial sword, by way of Zack (the forgotten?). Zack was helpful to newbies.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope, sorry

[leader of mortals]

maybe an experiment: Jenova cells

maybe helping newbies: Makes people stronger

maybe with the forgotten: Isnt Jenova a centra?

maybe with the forgetful: Cloud forgot his past

So is it Jenova or Jenova cells?

If not... HINT PLEASE

[Dragon Mage]

Jenova is NOT a Cetra. See 'Jenova?' Thread to answer questions.

[The Crystal]

maybe with the forgotten: Isnt Jenova a centra?

No, he/she/it is not a Cetra.


***Jenova*** (Pages 210-213) (005.1)
An intelligent lifeform from somewhere in space. Approximately 2000 years ago, it crashlanded at the North Pole ["Knowlespole" in the English localization of the game] (the vicinity of Icicle Lodge's ["Icicle Inn" in the English localization] present location), negatively affecting the Planet; it came to be feared as "the Calamity from the Skies" by the Ancients, who still existed in great numbers at that time.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

all wrong so far

it's an object you can collect, but it doesn't appear in your items menu <-- HINT

[.:kerrod:.]

something about black materia

maybe an experiment: not sure...maybe sephiroth is experimenting?

maybe helping newbies: no idea, also, i realise i dont have a strong backup :p

maybe with the forgotten: maybe the responsibility to stop it lies with the forgotten, the ancients, aeris

maybe with the forgetful: maybe the responsibility lies with the forgetful, again, cloud and his past

its not much, but i thought i'd try :)

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope not black materia, but ur on the rite lines . . .

[leader of mortals]

is it a certain type of materia

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

yup, keep with it . . .

[BG-57]

Pre-Emptive? It's the materia Cloud equips in the Nibelheim flashback.

[Dragon Mage]

Holy materia? Aeris always had it but it's never in the menu or anything. The only other holy materia there is is the Alexander materia.

[.:kerrod:.]

yeh, my next guess was white materia aka holy

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope nope and nope

it is not a key part of the story, in fact u can go through the whole game without picking one up<-- HINT

[Enjolras]

Is it the Enemy Skill materia you pick up in the Beginners hall in Junon?

Maybe an experiment - You can 'experiment' with the materia

Maybe helping newbies - It's in a beginners hall, which certainly would help newbies

Maybe with the Forgotten - The Junon hall has the forgotten souls of the people who were in the Sector 7 hall

Maybe with the forgetful - This might be something to do Cloud and his Memories?

It's a bit of wild guess, but there you go.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

ur so unbelievably close, but no

ur being too specific

[musenji]

All of the enemy skill materias.

Maybe an experiment - in hojo's lab

Maybe helping newbies - beginner's hall

Maybe with the Forgotten - forgotten capital

Maybe with the forgetful - chocobo sage's house

After that last guess and hint, it feels like stealing, but I didn't even come up with the answer--it was my sister, and she came up with it without hearing any of the guesses or the last hint. She only heard the riddle and the fact that it was a non-plotline-essential materia (she basically got the answer from line 4).

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

congrats to ur sister! :D maybe she shud make an account and post a riddle, or use ur account.

or if u really feel like it's stealing, talk to enjolras (PM or here) and decide who gets it.

[musenji]

Yeah, it wouldn't be stealing if she wrote one, since she used only the riddle and the information I mentioned...but she doesn't want to write one. Technically I'd just be taking the floor my sister said I could have. I'll post mine, with the acknowledgement that Enjolras came really, really close.


The ultimate leaves a sword and a gap
Sapphire makes a sacrifice for the mission
Diamond resorts to power, but falls
Emerald and ruby are the last to go

So what ever happened to topaz?


Edit: By the way, I don't need any reasoning, but you are still welcome to provide it, if you wish.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

something to do with the weapons?

The ultimate leaves a sword and a gap --> ultima weapon drops ultima weapon after battle and blows up hlaf of cosmo, giving u access to ancient forest
Sapphire makes a sacrifice for the mission --> is killed by shinra during the attack on junon
Diamond resorts to power, but falls --> tries using projectiles to stop the "illness of the planet" but is killed
Emerald and ruby are the last to go --> emerald and ruby weapon are killed by cloud and co, but don't appear until all other weapons hav been defeated

So what ever happened to topaz? --> is this actually part of the riddle?

wot r u actually looking for here? my guess is the death of the WEAPONS

or is the answer u require wot the "topaz" is?

[musenji]

"The death of the WEAPONs" is not the answer.

Yes, the question is part of the riddle. The answer to the riddle is, quite simply, what happened to topaz--so you have to identify topaz in order to find the answer. No hints for a while though. :-)

[senecawolf]

It lived! Is that the answer? Did Topaz live since the others died?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i hope ur not thinking that Topaz is jenova!? cos jenova isn't a WEAPON!

if ur thinkin jenova, then "topaz" died by the hands of cloud and co

[BG-57]

It must be something that shares some sort of attribute with the Weapons, since the other lines mention the five canonical Weapons.

So help me, if the answer involves the Cheese Weapon or Chocobo Weapon....:mad:

[musenji]

No, the answer is not "topaz lived". Nor is topaz Jenova.

Hint: BG-57, you're somewhat on the right track, thinking about the concept of shared attributes.

[BG-57]

Logically, it should be yellow or amber colored, since the weapons are generally named for their color that matches their namesake gemstone most closely. At least with Ruby and Emerald.

I'll go with Fat Chocobo, which makes rare appearances when the Chocobo/Mog materia is in use. :choc2:

[musenji]

Not the fat chocobo. From :mad: to :choc2: is good, though, right? Keep thinking..

[senecawolf]

Is it that thing that Cloud,Tifa, and Barret had to fight when they went to the first Mako reactor?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i thought topaz was purple? . . .

i don't suppose cloud is topaz :D

[senecawolf]

LOL topaz is not purple it's kind of yellow or an amberish colour

[musenji]

No, it's not the Guard Scorpion. Or Cloud.

[senecawolf]

Is it the Enemy Skill Materia?

[musenji]

Nope.

Edit: Btw, there's more to the riddle than just letting you know that topaz is "something yellow".

[senecawolf]

Can we have another hint then? I'm stumped.

[musenji]

I'm going to give it a little time, now. You and I have been going back and forth, and we're both on right now; I want to give more people a chance.

[BG-57]

Not the fat chocobo. From :mad: to :choc2: is good, though, right? Keep thinking..

Yes it is. I would just really dislike it if the answer was based on some heretical rumor. I'd have to send the winged monkeys out after you, man. :monkey:


i thought topaz was purple? . . .

Are you thinking of the amethyst? That has a violet color to it.


i don't suppose cloud is topaz :D

Cloud was going to be my next guess.

Hmm...is it a reference to cowardice instead of literal color? I'm guessing Don Corneo, who takes a little dive courtesy of your friendly neighborhood Turks.

[musenji]

Yeah, everything mentioned in the riddle exists in the game. No tricks.

...Well, one trick. But a different kind of trick. :)

Topaz can actually be a number of colors, but I associated it with yellow-amber.

Edit: Oh heavens, I almost forgot. No, not Corneo's dive.

[senecawolf]

Yeah, everything mentioned in the riddle exists in the game. No tricks.

...Well, one trick. But a different kind of trick. :)

Topaz can actually be a number of colors, but I associated it with yellow-amber.

Edit: Oh heavens, I almost forgot. No, not Corneo's dive.
Aha! There isn't a Topaz, so that means it's a trick question.:cool:

[musenji]

No, it's not a trick question. You just quoted what I said: "..everything mentioned in the riddle exists in the game."

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it ragnarok? it's a weapon, and has a yellow hilt

[BG-57]

Is it the sun (a yellow star) blowing up in Sephiroth's Supernova attack?

[musenji]

No, neither of those..very clever though. The answer isn't that obscure. Here's a hint:

The first four lines are in chronological order.

[BG-57]

You transposed the first and second events. Sapphire dies before Ultima does:



The ultimate leaves a sword and a gap (second)
Sapphire makes a sacrifice for the mission (first)
Diamond resorts to power, but falls (third)
Emerald and ruby are the last to go (fouth and fifth)

Does topaz refer to the glowing yellow core of Bizarro-Sephiroth, which gets neatly dissected by the party?

[musenji]

No, it doesn't refer to Bizarro Sephiroth's core.

Trust me, I made no error in the order of events. That's why it was a hint. ;)