ff7 riddles

[leader of mortals]

He existed in the past???

[--One Winged Angel--]

is it that machine that you fight after u get out of the underground in midgar.....just b4 u fight hojo.

if memory serves its yellow and palmer and scarlet call it a weapon.

[musenji]

"He existed in the past" is not the correct answer. Nor does "topaz" refer to Proud Clod (the machine you fight in Midgar before fighting Hojo).

The answer is a specific event, btw. Uhh, I'll re-post.

***
The ultimate leaves a sword and a gap
Sapphire makes a sacrifice for the mission
Diamond resorts to power, but falls
Emerald and ruby are the last to go

So what ever happened to topaz?
***

Again, the first four lines are in chronological order. And the answer lies between lines 1 and 2, chronologically.

[BG-57]

Is it the death of Pheonix at Fort Condor, along with the hatching of the baby Pheonix from the large yellow egg?

[musenji]

Nope. I take it you think I've gone nuts (or am ignoring the facts) with my chronology hint?

[Dragon Mage]

Is it when all the weapons were coming out of the Crater? I remember counting more weapons then what was seen in the rest of the game.

(ok, this snowing cookies are getting a little annoying. My typing in all jerky because of it. Seee! Typing errorrs !)

[musenji]

(It does make me hungry, though...)

...*mmff*...*coffeecake*...

What? No, that's not it. Another hint: line 4 is always true, no matter what.

[BG-57]

Nope. I take it you think I've gone nuts (or am ignoring the facts) with my chronology hint?

I don't, and I'm not. I just don't understand why you would reverse the order of events, unless somehow the events aren't referring to the fates of the Weapons.

At any rate, although incorrect, the hatching of Pheonix does happen between those two events, assuming they are the events I thought they were.

You last hint, if anything, is confusing me more. :confused: Are you suggesting that Ruby and Emerald are the last Weapons you can defeat (which is true, although obvious), or that they always have to die (which wouldn't normally be true, since they are optional), or that every version of the game features them (also not true in the conventional sense)?

[musenji]

Oh...I was saying I took it you thought I was ignoring the facts. I wasn't saying you were ignoring them.

ignore the last hint, and just go with the assumption that the first four lines are absolutely in chronological order, with no switching around. The idea was that you'd think:

"If the first four lines are in chronological order, but they're not in the same order as the WEAPON deaths, then.."

There is only one conclusion, which you did mention.

[Dragon Mage]

When you can fight them?

[musenji]

No, we're talking about the specific events that are listed in the riddle. I'm saying each of those events happens in the order I've listed them. BG noted that that's not the order the weapons died in. I agree, that's not the order the weapons die in. Which means the specific events I'm referring to in the riddle...

[Dragon Mage]

Well, I've said everything there is that I know of concerning the Weapons and any chronological order pertaining to them. Already knew it wasn't their deaths, and apparently it isn't when they go on the offensive, what order they appear in when they come out of the crater, or the order of when you can fight them, or what order they attack in the game. So mark me confuzzled.

[Lost Number]

Am I right in saying it is a bloody metaphor and bears little relationship to the actual WEAPONs?
I think they are metaphors for Shinra operatives.
Scarlet and Heidegger are the last two to fall...duh. Emerald and Ruby.
The ultimate might be the President. He leaves a sword. And he was the "ultimate" shinra.
Sapphire must be a Turk or else Cait Siths controller (name will return ina sec).
Yellow must be Palmer! Topaz is therefore hit by a truck.

[Dragon Mage]

No where did he say it had nothing to do with the weapons.

and his name is Reeve.

[Lost Number]

No where did he say it had nothing to do with the weapons.

and his name is Reeve.

Not every riddle is entirely literal, especially with the best riddlers. Read between the lines. And I think it fits.
It comes to mind that if the WEAPONs fates are not the answer, the use of their names must be metaphorical, and the Shinras mentioned do have some similarity to the gems, which is mentioned by yer man.

[Dragon Mage]

Well yeah, I got that. And I do think you're right. but he said somewhere that the event and answer had to do with lines 1 + 2. Then he said events. So now I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for.

(in any case, following your answer, I think Sapphire may be Tseng, or however you spell it.)

[BG-57]

Well, I always said I was a hopeless literalist, right LN? :p

Along these lines, Diamond could be either Hojo or Rufus. Both wear white and are bidding for power.

Your spelling of Tseng is correct, Dragon Mage.

[Dragon Mage]

Your spelling of Tseng is correct, Dragon Mage.

Yay! I feel so happy now!

Now all we need i musenji to come on and confirm. He was just on a minute ago but now he isn't. Great. Now we'll have to wait until tomorrow to se if Lost Number was correct.

[Lost Number]

I do refer to events. I mention the gem (Shinra operative) and what happens to them, therefore making an EVENT.
Sapphire is Tseng, and I think Diamond must be Rufus, as Hojo has rather left Shinra. And Palmer wears yellow/beige. And I LOVE it when i leave the thread up in arms at me.
No offence, BG! Thou art a master of what I prefer to call the "literalist" method of riddling.

[musenji]

Wow, all of a sudden. Yes, it's all a bloody metaphor, and every name represents a Shinra executive. Yes, topaz (palmer) was hit by a truck.


Ultimate was the president. The sword is obvious enough, the gap was the gap left in the Shinra organization.

Sapphire was Reeve, who gave up Cait Sith to help the heroes complete their mission.

Diamond was Rufus, who said that he would control the people with power as opposed to manipulation--and went down shortly after firing the Sister Ray at Diamond Weapon.

Ruby and Emerald were Scarlet and Heidegger, respectively. They died last. (Now you know why I said line 4 was always true--they always die last. I believe you can theoretically kill Ultimate after one of these two.)


Congrats, LN.

[Lost Number]

Does the rouge of tails know the jack of trades?
Thou knows me and the looter who holds me.
My old master gone, yet not entirely forgotten
Two in this world still seek him
They ask in vain, he met his end on a hill.
I carry on his fight, with one quarter power.

Its easy, but try it.

[leader of mortals]

is it cloud or zack

if not who are we looking for

[Lost Number]

Neither, and not yet.

[Enjolras]

...Is it Reno?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

here's wot ive got so far, can u correct me if i'm wrong LN!?

Does the rouge of tails know the jack of trades? --> i think the jack of trades may be cloud, as he refers to himself as a "jack of all trades" in the church. dunno wot that rouge is tho? maybe scarlet?
Thou knows me and the looter who holds me. --> i think this may be referring to when tseng kidnapped aerith
My old master gone, yet not entirely forgotten --> dunno
Two in this world still seek him
They ask in vain, he met his end on a hill.
I carry on his fight, with one quarter power. --> i think these last 3 lines are pretty self explanatory :D still dunno wot it is tho!?

[Lost Number]

Not Reno.
Cloud is the Jack of trades.
Its not.
The last 3 lines are literal.

[TheSpoonyBard]

The Buster Sword?

[Lost Number]

Yes
Does the rouge of tails know the jack of trades? A reference to FFIX, where the Buster Sword appears in an armour shop, and Zidane thinks he recognises it.
Thou knows me and the looter who holds me. Cloud is a looter, he took it from Zack.
My old master gone, yet not entirely forgotten Zack is dead, but people remember him
Two in this world still seek him His parents
They ask in vain, he met his end on a hill. He is dead
I carry on his fight, with one quarter power. 2 slots, one quarter of the maximum.

[TheSpoonyBard]

I should ask not of the past
But instead will look to the future
Though I may be down here
I have been asked to join them at the top
A challenge I propose
Come prepared, or we shall win

[BG-57]

No offence, BG! Thou art a master of what I prefer to call the "literalist" method of riddling.

None taken. :) I do get a fair share of riddles correct, but yours tend to stump me.


I should ask not of the past
But instead will look to the future
Though I may be down here
I have been asked to join them at the top
A challenge I propose
Come prepared, or we shall win

A buried anagram! That's more my speed. :D

OIETEJOH -> JOE TEIOH

Joe is a chocobo jockey and Teioh is his chocobo. He tends to be an opponent in higher class races, and Teioh always has better stats than whatever chocobo you are using (in fact Teioh's stats seem to be calculated based on your chocobo's). He's always the toughest opponent, but he's beatable with a well trained chocobo with high enough stats. He just doesn't push Teioh hard enough.

Now for the lines itself:

The past could refer to previous chocobo races and future could refer to the next chocobo race.
Cloud and co. meet Joe as they enter the races to escape from the surface prison. His chocobo joins at the starting line. The challenge is to beat him. Being prepared refers to the chocobo you need to race with. Grooming one takes time and effort.

[senecawolf]

Are you asking for the name of a person?

[TheSpoonyBard]

BG's got it straight away :)

Teioh's stats are +15 km/h and +250 stamina of whatever your chocobo has, giving him a maximum of 191 km/h and 1249 stamina, in case you were wondering.

Your turn.

[BG-57]

(Deletes post and replaces it with this)

The writing is on the wall
The beginning of a new era
The color backing these bold words
Matches the given name
More than the namesake itself

BTW, thanks Endless. I actually did want to know, but I'm too lazy to work out the algorithm. :)

[Lost Number]

*sigh* I hate it when people get my riddles without doing any working out or thinking at all. It pains me.
Are we looking for the namesake, or the object named, BG? Not that i'm likely to get either, but still.

[BG-57]

I'm looking for the name and color, along with their relationship. So three things, really.

You could most likely get the color by simple elimination.

[Dragon Mage]

Red XIII? It's a name and a color.

[BG-57]

The color is red, but it's not referring to RedXIII.

[Enjolras]

Is it the signs near the Junon Cannon during the parade that say 'Rufus', then something along the lines of 'A New Age'?

The writing is on the wall
The beginning of a new era - The sign is on a wall, and its there to show the start of Rufus' reign
The colour backing these bold words - While the words are white, their backing is red
Matches the given name
More than the namesake itself - Red would be a good colour for Rufus, as it signifies his bloodiness and ruthlesness.

[Lost Number]

And Rufus is latin for red.

[Firenjar]

im going to agree and say Rufus and red but i've only signed back in today in like forever so from now on i'm going to try my best.......which isnt very good

[BG-57]

You got it!

The banners in Junon read: Rufus/New Age/President of Shinra. The banner is red, and Rufus refers to someone with red hair. But the banner is a lot redder than Rufus' hair is.

I'll give this one to Enjolras282, although Lost Number correctly identified lines 4-5.

[Enjolras]

Okay, here goes...

Contained within the bowels of a haze in the north
An altered edition of an exploit most virulent
The user, a grand given upon glorious defeat
The rider, an appendage of knowledge does he seek

It's probably easy, i'm kinda hopeless at writing these.

[Dragon Mage]

Northern cave
sephiroth.

that's all I got for now.

It's a person we're looking for right?

[Enjolras]

No, not Sephi, sorry.
Although reasoning isn't essential, it will help me give hints, which I will begin giving out shortly.

[Dragon Mage]

sorry here's my reasoning:
Bowels and north just bespeaks Norther Cave to me. Cave=bowels of earth
sephiroth is an altered 'form' of Jenova

[Enjolras]

Haha I wasn't telling you off Dragon Mage, you don't need to say sorry or anything.
Since you gave reasoning, I'll tell you that when I say 'contained within the bowels of', I'm just meaning 'found inside', don't take the specific meaning of any of those words too seriously.

[feioncastor]

Okay, here goes...

Contained within the bowels of a haze in the north
An altered edition of an exploit most virulent
The user, a grand given upon glorious defeat
The rider, an appendage of knowledge does he seek

It's probably easy, i'm kinda hopeless at writing these.

Anything to do with Ruby Weapon? He emerges from the crater and is pretty tough to defeat. He also gives you a Gold Chocobo when you beat him, which something you can ride to seek out various cool things.

[Lost Number]

Sounds to me like Jenova BIRTH in the boat. Sephiroth seeks her arm. And virulent makes me think "virus" which Jenova is an altered form of.

[Enjolras]

No, nothing to do with Ruby Weapon or Jenova Birth sorry.

[Lost Number]

OK, I see a couple of possible enemies it could be.
The Magic Pot, Dragon Rider or Marlboro.

[Enjolras]

Well, you're on the right track, and extremely close with one of those answers. If you don't get it soon, i'll tell you which one you're close with.

[Lost Number]

Hmm, all of those are connected to giving a "grand" when beaten. It usually refers to money, though. And the Dragon Rider obviously has a rider. I think the "altered edition of an exploit most virulent" definitly conjures Marlboro, though. And Magic Pot gives the 1000AP and is found in the North Crater. Damn ye man, its been 7 hours, do I get a hint yet?

[Enjolras]

When I say a 'grand', I mean exp.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

then i'll take a stab at magic pot, due to the 1,000 AP you gain for defeating it

[Enjolras]

...No. I said exp, not AP.

[Rantz]

I'll guess Mover then. They "only" give 800 exp each, but they come in groups of three, making the exp gain 2 400.

[Lost Number]

I also guess Ice Golem, because it also gives 1000exp. As do pallensalta and 8 eye. And Rilfsak. And the upper half of Scissors. And Soldier 2nd class. And Stilva. Any of these?

[Enjolras]

No, none of those sorry. I'm looking for a certain action by a certain monster.

[BG-57]

Is it Pandora's Box, the final action of a defeated Dragon Zombie?

[Enjolras]

No, sorry.

[Dragon Mage]

It's probably easy, i'm kinda hopeless at writing these.

you were wrong.

I remember seeing a monster that had was a person riding what I believe (if memory serves me correctly) a dragon. I don't know it's name or what it gives you, but is it close in any way?

or wait......nope. I was going to say that monster in the Train Graveyard that you can steal the striking staff from but it doesn't fit, sorry.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

the monster ur thinking of is called, quite simply, dragon rider . . .

. . . weren't expecting that were you!? :D

while we're on the subject, what's with those 2 enemies that show up together, is it christopher and then some kinda horse!?

[Enjolras]

Well, I did say before that the answer was a certain action by a monster, not the monster itself...but the monster in question is Dragon Rider, so the person who thinks of the right attack and posts next gets it, I suppose.:cool:

[Lost Number]

Dual Attack, Head Hunting, Rider Breath.
I'm betting on Rider Breath, naturally.

[Enjolras]

It's not Rider Breath.

Think about lines 2 and 4.

[Dragon Mage]

the monster ur thinking of is called, quite simply, dragon rider . . .

. . . weren't expecting that were you!?


har har. You never know what these monsters are called so....whatever. Heck I thought that a mechanical egg would be called an 'Egg' or 'Evil Egg' if you want to get fancy. But no, it's got some name thats an inch long and I can't remember for the life of me.

[Lost Number]

Head Hunting (appendage of knowledge).
And if you press select, i think, in the PS version, you can see what enemies are called.

[Bartolli]

Is it facination? The confusion like attack used by Pollensalta?

[Enjolras]

Lost Number's got it, I was looking for either Head Hunting or Head Hunting 2.

Your go, LN.

[Lost Number]

*skip go*

[Dragon Mage]

*grabs* (LN, you do not collect $200)

The horsemen come
Shattering all
Beautiful, winged and deadly
Solid rim
Glass fatality
Usurp
Blessed water
sephiroth's
Balrog's hoard
Much to Ruth's horror
The surgeon's familiar sight
The war begins as the world ends
Odin’s knowledge
Nothing's better

[oddler]

Different types of summon materia?

[Dragon Mage]

No.

[Lost Number]

Knights of the Round.
The horsemen come - Knights
Shattering all - One kick ass summon
Beautiful, winged and deadly - Looks cool
Solid rim _ No idea
Glass fatality - Ditto
Usurp
Blessed water - ???
sephiroth's
Balrog's hoard - They look a bit evil
Much to Ruth's horror - Someone explain this
The surgeon's familiar sight
The war begins as the world ends
Odin’s knowledge
Nothing's better - Its strong

[Dragon Mage]

Nope. Has nothing to do with materia. and thanks for reasoning.

[Firo Volondé]

I will hazard a guess at limit breaks?

The horsemen come - Slots sometimes summons KotR
Beautiful, winged and deadly - Chaos
Blessed water - Great Gospel?
Odin’s knowledge - Finishing Touch has the same effect as Steel Bladed Sword
Nothing's better - Omnislash

That's all I've got.

[Rantz]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The name Ruth can refer to:

* The Book of Ruth, one of the books of the Hebrew Bible.
* Ruth, an archangel appearing in the Marvel Comics Ghost Rider series.
* Baby Ruth, a candy bar.
* Babe Ruth, nickname of the famed baseball player George Herman Ruth.
* Ruth, a novel by Elizabeth Gaskell.
* A name meaning friend or compassion.
* Citizen Ruth is a 1996 motion picture about the abortion issue in US.
* Ruth is a dragon in Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern novels.
* Ruth Simmons, 18th President of Brown University, is affectionately referred to as "Ruth" by many students.
* Ruth is a band out of Vancouver, Washington.

The one that seems most likely is:
* A name meaning friend or compassion.

But of course, it could refer to something entirely different. I'm not up to analyzing the whole riddle right now, I just wanted to post that because it's a very interesting line :)

[Lost Number]

TSBSGUBsBMTTON
Is this an anagram? I doubt it. But the arrangement of lines is strange.

[BG-57]

Cloud's Swords?

There are 16 swords, and 14 lines. I can match most of them pretty well:

The horsemen come Apocalypse
Shattering all Buster Sword
Beautiful, winged and deadly Butterfly Edge
Solid rim Hard Edge
Glass fatality Crystal Sword
Usurp Force Stealer
Blessed water Heaven's Cloud
sephiroth's Murasame
Balrog's hoard Mythril Saber
Much to Ruth's horror Nail Bat
The surgeon's familiar sight Organics
The war begins as the world ends Ragnarok
Odin’s knowledge Rune Blade
Nothing's better Ultima Weapon

Yoshiyuki
Enhance Sword

[Firo Volondé]

I think you've got it, BG.

[Lost Number]

I'm gonna smurfing KILL Dragon Mage. That is one good riddle.

[choco_rider]

dang thats smart, would have never guessed that

[BG-57]

Confirmation, please.

[Dragon Mage]

Yep, You got it BG-57! It's Cloud's Swords. Congrats! Yur go.

(I couldn't come up with anything for the other 2 swords. and it was Babe Ruth, the baseball player.)

[BG-57]

Cool :)

I would have called Yoshiyuki Snowstorm and Enhance Sword New and Improved.

Three daggers in a row
The prize lies near the tip
Of the smallest one
Reap multiple rewards

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i was gonna say the battles against the icicles on gaia's cliff but there's 4 of em isn't ther :D

wanna tell us wot we'r looking for? something? someone? somewhere?

[BG-57]

i was gonna say the battles against the icicles on gaia's cliff but there's 4 of em isn't ther :D

It's not the icicles in Gaia's Cliffs.


wanna tell us wot we'r looking for?

Sure. :)


something?

Yes.


someone?

No.


somewhere?

Yes.

[Rantz]

Cloud's Limit Break "Cross Slash"?

Three daggers in a row - He hits three times.
The prize lies near the tip
Of the smallest one - Not sure about "the smallest one", but the prize may be referring to the paralysis the attack may cause.
Reap multiple rewards - Both several hits and a possible bad status on the enemy.

[BG-57]

It's not Cross Slash.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i think this may have something to do witht he structure of the world map. maybe the daggers are dagger shaped islands. and the prize is like in a cave at thew tip of one of the islands

i'm going to guess that it's the mideel islands, with mime materia being in the cave on the eaternmost island that requires a chocobo to get it

[BG-57]

Right location, wrong materia. :sweatdrop

Repost:

Three daggers in a row
The prize lies near the tip
Of the smallest one
Reap multiple rewards

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

*checks endless' chocobo guide, thanks man!* quadra magic :D

[BG-57]

Correct! Your go. :)

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

ossome! :D

inhospitble to strangers
just as the environment
divine light in my possesion
though you'd think it'd be more frigid

[BG-57]

Snow and the Alexander Materia?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i was actually just looking for the woman who gives you alexander but meh, u can hav it.

is this how it's gonna work now? jus me n u switching between each other :D

[Lost Number]

Well, I have been reading them, soon as I get one, i can make one.

[BG-57]

I've played riddle ping pong before. The fun wears off pretty quickly. :p

The high shall be made low
The low shall be made high
Useful for pushing some limits
Even against the humblest foe

[Lost Number]

Demi spells?

[Timster]

Hi, I'm new here at EoFF, but i thought I'd give riddling a shot.:)

So for my guess I'd have to say HP/MP-materia (you know, the one that swaps your HP for your MP)

The high shall be made low - the high amount of hp becomes the low amount of mp
The low shall be made high - same as above except the opposite
Useful for pushing some limits
Even against the humblest foe -it makes battles hard even one weak enemies

I know it's my first but still... you never know... perhaps its right

[ReloadPsi]

Aeris' Fury Brand limit break. Timster might be right though; I spent so long leveling up my limits in the Mithril Mines with that materia. Looking at this though, it seems we could both be right in our own way.

The high shall be made low
Total expenditure of her own limit gauge...

The low shall be made high
...to fully boost everyone else's

Useful for pushing some limits
Self explanatory, given the above

Even against the humblest foe
As those Shinra Soldiers ain't gonna do you any favours; 7 damage (their toughest attack) doesn't seem to fill the limit gauge at all when you have 999 HP, but either way one of us has the right answer.

[BG-57]

Hi, I'm new here at EoFF, but i thought I'd give riddling a shot.:)

So for my guess I'd have to say HP/MP-materia (you know, the one that swaps your HP for your MP)

The high shall be made low - the high amount of hp becomes the low amount of mp
The low shall be made high - same as above except the opposite
Useful for pushing some limits
Even against the humblest foe -it makes battles hard even one weak enemies

I know it's my first but still... you never know... perhaps its right

You are correct, the answer is HP <-> MP Materia, with which you can fill limit gauges very fast, which speeds up the learning of many limit breaks.

Nice way to break in. Welcome aboard. :)

[ReloadPsi]

Ah well. So I didn't get what you were actually thinking of then :P

[Timster]

Wow I actually got it! I'll have a riddle up in no time.

A real HARD one.;)

Alright here's the riddle:

First lightning strikes,
but then you're healed by water.

Then an earthquake your enemy dislikes,
followed by a party of bloody blows.

Out of nowhere, it's Zell's weapon!,
and also the end of those alive.

Think of all, not just one,
in more than one way.

Please don't double post, use the Edit button to add information to a previously made post. Thank you! ~ Zeromus

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Something to do with limit breaks.

[thegirth]

Tifas limit break from begining to end??

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

actually i think it's yuffies limits.

First lightning strikes, --> greased lightning
but then you're healed by water. --> clear tranquil

Then an earthquake your enemy dislikes, --> landscaper
followed by a party of bloody blows. --> doomed of the dead or something

Out of nowhere, it's Zell's weapon!, --> gauntlet
and also the end of those alive. --> the other one thats like limit 2,2

Think of all, not just one,
in more than one way. --> all creation

[Timster]

And d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x got it right!
It's yuffie's limit breaks
All the reasoning right too, maybe I made it too easy
OR maybe you're too smart;)

Anyway you're up d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x

[thegirth]

ack, why didnt i think of that, good job phoenix

[ReloadPsi]

C'mon, post a new riddle!

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

sorry for late reply, inet been offline :(

banned for life
so i'll send the errand boy
to investigate my cause
hope he's got cash!?

looking for a person and the situation. reasoning please :D

[Mercen-X]

The owner of the shop in Borneo's slums was banned from the local Inn and wants to know what they're selling in the vending machine that makes them a worthy competitor.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

That's exactly what I was gonna say, except it's in the Wall Market.

[BG-57]

I think Corneo's slums would cover that, although Borneo is an extant place.

[thegirth]

dammit, i need to view more

[Timster]

I'm thinking that it could be Cait Sith when you meet him in Golden Saucer.

banned for life maybe Reeves is banned or something
so i'll send the errand boy Cait Sith because Reeves can't go himself
to investigate my cause he's undercover and all that
hope he's got cash!? Golden Saucer can be really expensive

[ReloadPsi]

I think Mercen-X is right. Here's why...

banned for life - That guy's banned from that inn
so i'll send the errand boy - Cloud
to investigate my cause - See what's in the vending machine
hope he's got cash!? - The game doesn't actually tell you that it's gonna cost you; one night is 10 Gil, but you have to shell out more cash for whatever's in the machine.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

yup mercen x was rite, its the vending machine mini mission

ur go!

[Mercen-X]

It's dirty under there, tell me again why I need hair?
I don't like getting wet, but I'll fall asleep in a creepy dark room.
You're such a nag, just hold you're horses... and your bladder too.
Okay, here it is, now what you got? Ooh that's hot-s...
All right, so you're back in the biz? Why the hell do I have to do this?

What is the event?


Okay, it's lame. It's been a while, give me a break.

[BG-57]

Cloud's cross-dressing quest?

[Mercen-X]

Cloud's cross-dressing quest?


Okay, it's lame. It's been a while, give me a break.

Yeah... Your go...

[thegirth]

ok bg lets hear it

[BG-57]

Icicle Inn has 650.
Gold Saucer has 570, at first.
Cosmo Canyon has 510.
Wutai has 475.
Gongaga has it all.
Cave of the Gi has none.

What are they?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Gil?

[BG-57]

Sorry, not Gil.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

I knew it wouldn't be that easy! Any hints? How many does Midgar or Wutai or the Chocobo Farm or Junon have? I'm thinking it might be a puzzle with just the words and numbers.

EDIT: I'm getting stuck trying to get the digits and letters to tell me something.

[BG-57]

Many can be bought in shops.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

huh its an item? whoa, do they really have 100s of this item, or am I supposed to change the number you give us somehow?

[Timster]

I think it's weapons, armor and accessories. Each number represting the amout of different kinds that are obtainable for that place.

For example: Icicle Inn has 650 then you might have to separate the digits: 6 - 5 - 0 , then maybe the 6 represents weapons, 5 armors, and 0 accesories. Not sure it's right, and have no idea which number represents what if it is right.

Anyway that's my guess!

[Mercen-X]

I thought you could find some kind of weapon/armor in Cave of the Gi.

[BG-57]

huh its an item? whoa, do they really have 100s of this item, or am I supposed to change the number you give us somehow?


I think it's weapons, armor and accessories. Each number represting the amout of different kinds that are obtainable for that place.

For example: Icicle Inn has 650 then you might have to separate the digits: 6 - 5 - 0 , then maybe the 6 represents weapons, 5 armors, and 0 accesories. Not sure it's right, and have no idea which number represents what if it is right.

Anyway that's my guess!

The numbers do not refer to how many you can carry, or how many of each type of item are stocked in shops.


I thought you could find some kind of weapon/armor in Cave of the Gi.

That is correct.

[Mercen-X]

The numbers do not refer to how many you can carry, or how many of each type of item are stocked in shops.

There are no numbers in-game pertaining to stock. If anything, the number might indicate how many types of each are available. For example the fact that Gongaga at some point, pretty much offers every accessory...(am I thinking of the right place? or is that Wutai?) where as the shop in Corel only offers one weapon: the Force Stealer.

[Timster]

I think it's weapons, armor and accessories. Each number represting the amount of different kinds that are obtainable for that place.

For example: Icicle Inn has 650 then you might have to separate the digits: 6 - 5 - 0 , then maybe the 6 represents different weapons, 5 different armors, and 0 accesories. Not sure it's right, and have no idea which number represents what if it is right.

Anyway that's my guess!


The numbers do not refer to how many you can carry, or how many of each type of item are stocked in shops.


I didn't think that they did either! If you read the line above it clearly says that it's referring to the amount of different weapons, and not the amount in stock/you can carry.

I'm not from an english-speaking country, and I'm only in high-school, if my english is so bad that you didn't understand what I meant, well I'm sorry...

What I actually meant was kind of like what mercen-x said

There are no numbers in-game pertaining to stock. If anything, the number might indicate how many types of each are available. For example the fact that Gongaga at some point, pretty much offers every accessory...(am I thinking of the right place? or is that Wutai?) where as the shop in Corel only offers one weapon: the Force Stealer.

[ReloadPsi]

Probably not though; it says the Cave Of The Gi has none, when there's a new Megaphone and an Accessory in there. Weapons and Accessories are out of the question.

[BG-57]

There are no numbers in-game pertaining to stock. If anything, the number might indicate how many types of each are available. For example the fact that Gongaga at some point, pretty much offers every accessory...(am I thinking of the right place? or is that Wutai?) where as the shop in Corel only offers one weapon: the Force Stealer.

It's not related to types of available items.


I didn't think that they did either! If you read the line above it clearly says that it's referring to the amount of different weapons, and not the amount in stock/you can carry.

I'm not from an english-speaking country, and I'm only in high-school, if my english is so bad that you didn't understand what I meant, well I'm sorry...

I think I actually understood your statement, but either way, the system you outlined is not the answer.


Probably not though; it says the Cave Of The Gi has none, when there's a new Megaphone and an Accessory in there. Weapons and Accessories are out of the question.

Actually, they are allowed. In fact the answers belong to one of those categories.

[thegirth]

REPOST:
Icicle Inn has 650.
Gold Saucer has 570, at first.
Cosmo Canyon has 510.
Wutai has 475.
Gongaga has it all.
Cave of the Gi has none.


damn, thats difficult

[.:kerrod:.]

something about accessories? but i dont think theres that many of them :confused: o well, is it accessories?

[BG-57]

It's not any kind of Accessories.

[Mercen-X]

This couldn't possibly be a riddle more flabbergasting than that of Thingfish in the FFIX thread . . .

Would the numbers refer to types of shops?

[BG-57]

This couldn't possibly be a riddle more flabbergasting than that of Thingfish in the FFIX thread . . .

I'm flattered, although I wasn't trying to intentionally create a riddle that fiendish . :laughing:


Would the numbers refer to types of shops?

It's not related to the shops themselves, but rather something that is carried in many shops.

[.:kerrod:.]

Re-Post (its getting a little irritating :p)


Icicle Inn has 650.
Gold Saucer has 570, at first.
Cosmo Canyon has 510.
Wutai has 475.
Gongaga has it all.
Cave of the Gi has none.

What are they?

[Timster]

Is it the amount of gil that can be found in that particular area?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

No, that was my first guess. It's much harder than that!

[Timster]

Oh!, missed that, well then I withdraw my guess...I'll probably guess something else later...

[Dragon Mage]

I'll take a stab at it and say restore items such as potions and ethers. But I believe I'm wrong.

[BG-57]

The answers are not restorative items.

The numbers refer to a quality possessed by each item, not how many of them there are.

[Rantz]

Probably not though; it says the Cave Of The Gi has none, when there's a new Megaphone and an Accessory in there. Weapons and Accessories are out of the question.
Actually, they are allowed. In fact the answers belong to one of those categories.

It's not any kind of Accessories.
Logically this says that the answers are weapons. The only two logical groupings of weapons I can see (if we conclude that they are spread out over different locations) are all weapon's and ____'s weapons (for example, Cid's weapons).

Now, since you said:

The numbers refer to a quality possessed by each item, not how many of them there are.
I have been looking around on different charts over weapons and their properties, but I can't find any connection at all, whether you view the numbers as a whole (650, 510 etc.), as concatenated numbers (6-5-0, 5-1-0 etc.) or as computed numbers (650 = equation1, 510 = equation2 etc.).

I haven't been posting anything for this riddle, but I have been working a lot on it :p. I still haven't got an answer.

Edit: Actually I'm going to guess Aeris' weapons, mostly because only she and Cid can get a weapon at Gold Saucer, and she can get her first (the riddle says "Gold Saucer has 570, at first"), but also for some other reasons. It doesn't all add up though.

[BG-57]

Yes, the answers are weapons, but not any of Aeris'.

[Timster]

I think that the numbers refer to the amount of materia a weapon or armor can carry... but I can't think of a good guess..... yet....

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

I think that the numbers refer to the amount of materia a weapon or armor can carry... but I can't think of a good guess..... yet....

In my mind, i think this is a tuffy....hmmmmmmm. I'll take a shot at it though...how about Cid's Rocket? It was in a forest....and it was in space...donno...

[BG-57]

It's not Cid's rocket, nor do the numbers have any relation to materia slots.

Repost:

Icicle Inn has 650.
Gold Saucer has 570, at first.
Cosmo Canyon has 510.
Wutai has 475.
Gongaga has it all.
Cave of the Gi has none.

[Dragon Mage]

Repost.

Big Hint: The numbers refer to a quality possessed by each item, not how many of them there are.

[Timster]

is it cloud's swords?

[Mercen-X]

Collective statistics of found weapons...?

[BG-57]

It's not any of Cloud's weapons.

Also the numbers are not related to weapon statistics.

[Timster]

is it materia that can be found/bought?

[BG-57]

Nope, they're specific weapons.

You can solve this by elimination, even without knowing what the numbers mean.

[Mercen-X]

Barret's Weapons

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

why would it be a character's weapons? Gongaga I don't think has all of anyone's.

[BG-57]

Barret's Weapons

Not Barrett's weapons.


why would it be a character's weapons? Gongaga I don't think has all of anyone's.

EDIT: Oh, I understand what you mean now. By 'all', I am referring to all the numerical values in the other lines of the riddle. Same deal with 'none'. I'm thinking of a single weapon in Gongaga, not several.

[Sain Cai]

Well Gongaga sells weapons that can be stolen from enemies

[BG-57]

Maybe so, but not all of the weapons in the riddle are bought in shops.

We've eliminated weapons of Aeris, Cloud, and Barrett. Who does that leave?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

well it can't be cait sith cos u get an m-phone in cave of the GI so i'll take a stab at . . . vincent

[Rantz]

The only one who can get a weapon in Gold Saucer except Aeris is Cid, from what I know. I'll say Cid's weapons, sorry I can't give more reasoning. Well, I guess my last post's rambling could be called reasoning.

[Dragon Mage]

What about THE Weapons? Could it possibly be the Weapons(monster) From what I recall, Ultimate Weapon goes to Cosmo Canyon, but it has nothing to do with the Cave. Ruby shows up around the Gold Saucer. But as for Wutai or Gongaga, I'm at a loss.

[Rantz]

Also, they don't commonly show up in shops. :)

[BG-57]

well it can't be cait sith cos u get an m-phone in cave of the GI so i'll take a stab at . . . vincent

It's not Vincent's Weapons. And actually Cait Sith's is a possibility.


The only one who can get a weapon in Gold Saucer except Aeris is Cid, from what I know. I'll say Cid's weapons, sorry I can't give more reasoning. Well, I guess my last post's rambling could be called reasoning.

Not Cid's Weapons.


What about THE Weapons? Could it possibly be the Weapons(monster) From what I recall, Ultimate Weapon goes to Cosmo Canyon, but it has nothing to do with the Cave. Ruby shows up around the Gold Saucer. But as for Wutai or Gongaga, I'm at a loss.

It's not the WEAPONS.

[thegirth]

Yuffies??

[BG-57]

Not Yuffie's weapons.

That leaves Tifa's, Cait Sith's, and Red XIII's.

[Mercen-X]

MATERIA SLOTS, Do you get the Trumpet Shell in Cave of the Gi?

[BG-57]

Again, the numbers are not related to materia slots. And I don't believe the Trumpet Shell in is Cave of the Gi. But you're getting closer.

[Timster]

is it cait sith's weapons?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

well cait sith and red XIII both have weapons in the GI cave so i'll say tifa's weapons

you watch now i bet it has nothing to do with weapons at al n he's just yanking us! :D

[BG-57]

is it cait sith's weapons?

Yes, the weapons are Cait Sith's. :)

Now, can you match the specific weapons to the lines? The numbers may make sense then.


well cait sith and red XIII both have weapons in the GI cave so i'll say tifa's weapons

you watch now i bet it has nothing to do with weapons at al n he's just yanking us! :D

Nah, I'm not that sadistic. :p

[thegirth]

dude, dont make us do all that statistic bs please, i wanna know

[BG-57]

Very well:

Icicle Inn has 650. Red Megaphone
Gold Saucer has 570, at first. Yellow Megaphone (Cait Sith's initial equipment)
Cosmo Canyon has 510. Green Megaphone
Wutai has 475. Blue Megaphone
Gongaga has it all. White Megphone
Cave of the Gi has none. Black Megaphone

The numbers refer to the wavelength (in nanometers) of light that correspond to each color.

TiMsTeR_Of_hEaVeN, your go.

P.S. Feel free to break out the tar and feathers. :D

[Rantz]

Oh my, I would never have figured that out :tongue:
Still, good riddle, it had me going.

[Mercen-X]

Damn, I just came here to tell y'all I figured it out. I was reading my Final Fantasy VII BradyGames Guide and I noted Cait Sith's weapons. The part that jumped out at me was the White and Black Megaphones. Now I don't get credit for reasoning this out. Ah, well, it's not like I'd've been able to think up a riddle.

[Timster]

WOW now that's some serious reasoning! anyway, to go on with this thread...

My name is a contradiction in itself,
and in me, there is a small price to pay,
with the exception of one.

There are six others like me,
of them, many may be more interesting...

[Mercen-X]

Phoenix Down

[Timster]

nope not phoenix down...

[Dragon Mage]

Repost:


My name is a contradiction in itself,
and in me, there is a small price to pay,
with the exception of one.

There are six others like me,
of them, many may be more interesting...

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

Jenova?

...Or the Final Fantasys I-VII?

[Timster]

you're only allowed one guess at the time OneWingedAngelSephiroth91, but for this one time I might as well say that both are wrong. in the future if there is more than one guess they will not be counted as guesses, just so you know...

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the cave of the GI?

My name is a contradiction in itself, --> it is not a cave that belongs to the GI really
and in me, there is a small price to pay, --> one phoenix down to kill GI nattak
with the exception of one. --> dunno bout this

There are six others like me, --> 6 other caves, mythril mine, the 4 containging secret materia and northern cave
of them, many may be more interesting... --> the cave of the GI isn't THAT interesting, let's face it!

[Timster]

nope not GI-cave

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

hint?

[Timster]

Alright, since I'm SO nice I will give a hint, it's not an item... hehe a bit obvious but still it's something....

[Enjolras]

...It's not Limit Breaks is it? It seems a bit iffy, but I suppose it still needs to be guessed.

My name is a contradiction in itself, - I suppose 'breaking' a 'limit' is a slight contradiction.
and in me, there is a small price to pay, - You need to have used the previous a number of times, or killed a number of enemies to unlock them.
with the exception of one. - The last one, obviously.

There are six others like me, - Most characters have 7.
of them, many may be more interesting... - Omnislash is a bit more interesting than Braver, for example.

[Dragon Mage]

.....I think you got it.

[Timster]

Hi sorry that I haven't posted but things have been CRAZY at school and well, I simply haven't had the time.

Anyway the answer is not limit breaks.

Hint: The answer is a location.

[BG-57]

Seventh Heaven, Tifa's bar? It is certainly in an ironic location.

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

Seventh Heaven, Tifa's bar? It is certainly in an ironic location.

Nice..that could be it..I donno, but about the part of a small price to pay is right...and with the excepyion of one..:Cloud. that's really a cool answer, I wish I would have thought of it...

[Dragon Mage]

The Golden Saucer?

My name is a contradiction in itself...............Saucer=plate/bowl. SILVERware, not Goldenware
And in me there is a small price to pay........... you have to pay for everything there
with the exception of one.............the event square you don't pay for.
There are six others like me,............there are 7 squares total
of them, many may be more interesting........The other squares may be more interesting.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

How about Round Square. That's a pretty good contradiction.

[Rantz]

Yeah, Round Square in Gold Saucer is most likely it. :)
You have to pay 10GP to ride the gondola, with the exception of the date sequence. There are six other squares, and the Round Square is pretty dull compared to most of the others.

[Timster]

And Weimar Pluto Knight VII got it!

It's Round Square, and rantzien got most of the reasoning right too...

So, you're up Pluto Knight!

[Dragon Mage]

@&$*. I was SO close too.....I almost had it......dam!

[thegirth]

you get 10 points from me for the cid style cuss

[Dragon Mage]

:D Yay!

[thegirth]

aight, lets hear it weimar

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Sorry, I subscribe to threads and sometimes it forgets to email me more responses. Thanks devil's phoenix for PMing me.

We are first.
be dyslexic.

[Timster]

I THINK this contains anagrams or something like that....

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it something to do with the script errors in the game, e.g. "this guy are sick"?

btw, i resent being called devil's phoenix, it's d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x dammit! :D

[Firo Volondé]

The Guard Scorpion

We are first. The first boss of the game.
Be dyslexic. Doesn't Cloud say to "Attack while it's tail is up" when it means to not attack?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Good thing I came on here even though I should be getting emails.

TH: Anagrams? Not quite.
FV: Guard Scorpion? Close.
d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x: the script errors have nothing to do with the answer.

oh, btw, the second line is supposed to a lower case b, other wise the 2nd line doesn't make sense.

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

Oh.....hmmm... I don't get the riddle...i mean the 2nd line...what does that say?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

It's telling you to be dyslexic. So, start flipping letters.

[Timster]

It's telling you to be dyslexic. So, start flipping letters.

so basically it is full of anagrams since you're telling us to flip letters... aww man....

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

It's not "full" of anagrams. It's not that bad. It's not really an anagram you're after. Part of the first sentence is part of the simple anagram, but you don't have to solve the anagram to have the first sentence help you.

[thegirth]

there are only 2 sentences, if one is an anagram and the other is telling us that it is an anagram i really dont see anything other than anagrams

[Timster]

there are only 2 sentences, if one is an anagram and the other is telling us that it is an anagram i really dont see anything other than anagrams

QFT

Repost:
The riddle:
We are first.
be dyslexic.

We are first, the only thing i can think of is "we fire star" as an anagram but i don't know if it's right?

[Rantz]

AVALANCHE?

They're basically the first thing you see. "Strife" can be made from part of the first sentence.

[thegirth]

is it clouds clothing

STRIFE WEAR

WE ARE FIRST

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

No, only two letters are the "anagram." And it's not really an anagram. And being dyslexic doesn't mean you read the letters randomly.

[Dragon Mage]

Dyslexic mean you see/read things backwards. So 'saw' would seem like 'was'.

Tsrif ear ew

Then there's the matter of the 2 words that have to be switched. Question: is the 2nd line something that has to be solved, or is it just there to give directions?

[Firo Volondé]

So, the first line backwards is tsriferawe. Switch the s and t and you get striferawe. Am I on the right track? Also, apparently the b has to be lowercase. I don't see how that could be anything but a trick clue.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Did you try reading upside down?

Also, even though part of the first sentence is part of what you need to change, it's still giving you a hint as to the answer.

[Orgasmic]

Well, that's a real tricky one.. Can't actually come up with anything.
By the way, hi everyone! i'm new in this thread :D

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

Did you try reading upside down?

which part?
and hi Orgasmic

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Write each letter upside and something should pop out at you. And you'll be like, "omg the first line makes sense now." I do admit it's a little short, though.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

upside down? and u sed the fact that it was a little b was important. that would make eq. dunno wot it relates to though. actually an upside down e kinda looks like an a so maybe aq. an it needs rearranging so qa.

question and answer? still don't get it!?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

There are only 2 letters you need to flip. You found one of them, but b upside down isn't q; it's something else. If you are having trouble with that, just look at the first line and try to solve it literally, although w/o solving the other puzzle, you won't have it narrowed down so you can solve it.

[Aerisfanatic]

ummm.......... i am somtimes pink and sometimes red and i held one materia nicely what am i?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Aeris, and it's not your turn.

[Enjolras]

Is it 'MP'?

They're very first enemies you fight in the game,
And if you turn the first letter of each line upside down you get an M (W) and a P (b).

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Yay, Enjolras got it! You're up.

[thegirth]

upside down?, crazy dude, but brilliant, nice job enjolras

[Aerisfanatic]

Aeris, and it's not your turn.
sorry wrong close but not what im thinking of

[thegirth]

its not your turn, what bit of that concept do you not seem to grasp

[Enjolras]

Someone take my turn.

[thegirth]

ill take it ill have one up quick

[thegirth]

aack i cant think , if someone thinks of one go right ahead

[Dragon Mage]

Woot! I'll take it! I've already got like 15 riddles already made for this! But here's the problem....I'm on the wrong computer, and I can't get to the other one because its midnight and the guest is sleeping the room with the other computer! Can you all hold on for today(night)? Please????? I really want to post this riddle! please hold on till I get to the other computer? Please?

[Orgasmic]

I 'll wait. But I don't know 'bout the other guys.
Thought, I hope it's a good one so we're not waiting for nothing. Like, "Stuck in a tube, but i'm a girl"..... Hm... Jenova?

[Enjolras]

Nah, Dragon Mage does some pretty good riddles.

[Dragon Mage]

Sorry it took so long, but here it is:

Racing pulse
Flip not flop
Felines fear lashing out
Celestial force
Priscilla means business
Will make a crater
Cloud 9

(Thanks for waiting!)

[Aerisfanatic]

is it meteor?

[BG-57]

Tifa's Limit Breaks?

Racing pulse Beat Rush
Flip not flop Somersault
Felines fear lashing out Waterkick
Celestial force Meteodive
Priscilla means business Dolphin Blow
Will make a crater Meteor Strike
Cloud 9 Final Heaven

[thegirth]

BG is probably right

[Dragon Mage]

darn. I made it too easy, I know I did! *sigh* (well crap)

you got it BG-57. yur go. Would you give reasoning please, BG?

[BG-57]

I thought I did. :confused: Oh well:

Beat rush could describe a racing heartbeat.
Somersault is a backflip.
Cats are afraid of water and a kick is lashing out.
Meteors are celestial objects that dive, creating force.
Priscilla's friend is Mr. Dolphin. And his blow means business.
Meteors make impact craters when they strike.
The Final heaven is sometimes called Cloud 9.

[Dragon Mage]

dam your good. I'll make a better one next time.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Those are fun to make, but are getting too common so they aren't hard anymore. *resets his subscription in hopes that that will fix it*

[BG-57]

dam your good. I'll make a better one next time.

Well, the Cloud's Swords riddle was still fresh in my mind.


Here goes:

Thrice illuminated
Solar and cruxiform
It covers but hides
No great secrets

[Dragon Mage]

And therein was my mistake. Don't worry, the next one will be really hard. :)

My guess:
The machine in Cosmo Canyon of the solar system? (It 'hides' the huge materia but everyone knows they exist.)

[ReloadPsi]

So it's something that either lights up three times, or has three lights on it (or maybe tells you something or gets brought to your attention three times), somewhat related to the sun, as well as kinda cross-shaped, but whatever's hidden near, beside, behind or inside it isn't much of a big deal.

Great, I'm happily stumped.

[Dragon Mage]

Or it could be something that the story touches on (alights upon) 3 times. Aeris is all about holy and cosmic. She was 'sacrificed' in a way. The White materia was 'hidden' in the water. My seconed guess is that it has something to do with Aeris.

[BG-57]

It's not machinery or Aeris.

Psi's reasoning is essentially correct.

The illumination is from three separate light sources.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the planet? at the end of the story it is illuminated by 3 objects (the sun, meteor and lifestream) and it hides the lifestream which everyone knows about. not sure about the cross thing