ff7 riddles

[BG-57]

It's not the planet, although the sun is one of the three sources of illumination.

[Dragon Mage]

The temple of the ancients? OH I THINK I GOT IT!!!! The waterfall! Right, is it the waterfall? The one where whatsherface (vincent's sweetie) is?

[BG-57]

No and no.

[Dragon Mage]

The materia fountain?

[BG-57]

It's not the materia fountain.

BTW, you meant Lucretia in your last guess?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

can i ask, is the solar and cruxiform to do with the sources of light? and the last 2 lines refer to the answer of the riddle correct?

[BG-57]

can i ask, is the solar and cruxiform to do with the sources of light?

Yes you can and no they're not.


and the last 2 lines refer to the answer of the riddle correct?

Correct.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

Thrice illuminated
Solar and cruxiform
It covers but hides
No great secrets

so it is something that:
- is lit by 3 sources fo light
- is "solar" maybe its another source of light, or maybe a cosmic entity
- is cross shaped
- and hides something that everyone knows about

i want to say it has something to do with safer sephiroths giant move thing where he destroys the planets (can't remember the name :D) but it's probably wrong

[Light Mage]

The Parasol weapon for Aeris?

[BG-57]

It's not Supernova or Parasol.

[Orgasmic]

I would make a fast guess on something that is protecting the planet, like Lifestream or the Ancients or something like that. Just a wild guess. But I must say that it's dreadfully tricky..

[Orgasmic]

Thrice illuminated
Solar and cruxiform
It covers but hides
No great secrets

"Thrice illuminated", no bloody idea.
"Solar and cruxiform" Well, some sort of magnitude power. Dunno.
At least, "It covers but hides", could be that "It" protects something, but remains hidden.
"No great secrets", everybody knows about it. No big secret.

[thegirth]

hmmm, don corneos room??

i believe it has 3 lights
the solar and cruxiform????
it hides the hyper behind his bed
and everyone knows about it

[Dragon Mage]

BTW, you meant Lucretia in your last guess?

yes, yes I did. I can never remember her name!

The alter in the forgotten city?

[Light Mage]

The Golden Saucer?

Illuminated by the sun in the desert, fireworks and... um, lights?
Solar = Golden (pehaps?) and kind of coss-shaped (ish).
It covers the ruins of Old Corel, now a prison. I wouldn't call that secret paticularly "great", would you? :p

[BG-57]

Not the Lifestream, Ancients, Don Corneo's room, the Forgotten City altar, or Gold Saucer.

The three sources of illumination are three different things.

[thegirth]

i figured it was a bad guess, oh well

[Light Mage]

Gah. This is a really tricky riddle...

Is it an object or a place?

[BG-57]

It's an object in a particular place.

[Lost Number]

Well...I think it may just be JENOVAs jar thingy in Nibelheim reactor. You see it three times, i think, yet JENOVA is no great secret in the game. Solar and Cruxiform? I dunno.

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

POSSIBLY liten by Meteor, Holy, and/ or Lifestream... I would say...Highwind...but like I said POSSIBLY.

[Dragon Mage]

Riddle repost:

Thrice illuminated
Solar and cruxiform
It covers but hides
No great secrets

The materia caves?

[Sain Cai]

Key to the ancients?

[BG-57]

Not the JENOVA containment, the Highwind, Materia Caves, or Key of the Ancients.

Did you check the previous guesses? One of the three sources of illumination has already been confirmed.

[Orgasmic]

Hmm, Aeris? Wilde guess. . . . . Or maybe Midgar?

[thegirth]

your only allowed one guess at a time

[Lost Number]

A sun, what do we see illuminated by a sun? Lots of things. Illuminated makes me think its a rising sun, or something...is it Seto's petrified body?

[Light Mage]

Um... The Sky?

[BG-57]

Hmm, Aeris? Wilde guess. . . . . Or maybe Midgar?

Um...it's an object. :greenie:


A sun, what do we see illuminated by a sun? Lots of things. Illuminated makes me think its a rising sun, or something...is it Seto's petrified body?

True, but few things are illuminated by three different kind of light sources at once.

It's not Seto's body.


Um... The Sky?

Not the sky.

[Lost Number]

Gods damn yu BG i cant think of a single thing.

This is not a reason to use the name of god in vain. If you can't think of anything, maybe just try to not post. ~ Leeza

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the rocket in rocket town, i think it's called shinra 26. wen it enters space it is lit up by the sun, meteor and the earth (reflecting the sun). and if u look down on it it is a cross shape with the engines

[BG-57]

Curse yu BG i cant think of a single thing.

This is not a reason to use the name of god in vain. If you can't think of anything, maybe just try to not post. ~ Leeza

Um...maybe you're asking for a hint here? :p

The other two sources of illumination are commonplace light sources.


is it the rocket in rocket town, i think it's called shinra 26. wen it enters space it is lit up by the sun, meteor and the earth (reflecting the sun). and if u look down on it it is a cross shape with the engines

It's not Shinra 26.

[Lost Number]

You mean to say the Sun ISINT a common light source? And I did not use the name of God, i said gods. There IS a difference.

[BG-57]

I would say it is a common source, but my hint was referring specifically to the other two unidentified sources.

[Orgasmic]

Omnislash...? I dunno. The more guesses, the closer we'll get towards an answer....:P

[BG-57]

It's not Omnislash.

You can approach solving this in other ways: either guess the location or the other two light sources. Either way would narrow it down considerably.

[Lost Number]

The location is evidently the surface, and probably not Midgar. I know that much. I'm guessing the two sources of illumination to probably be magic and electric lights.

[BG-57]

Yes, it's a surface location that isn't Midgar.

You're right about the electric lights and wrong about magic.

Thrice illuminated (Lit by Sun, Electric Lights, ????)
Solar and cruxiform (Sun and Cross Motiff)
It covers but hides
No great secrets (Nothing Important)

[Timster]

is it the golden saucer?

third light source perhaps the moon?

[Dragon Mage]

The third light source is fire.

[Orgasmic]

Perhaps the ropeway station? no, maybe Nibelheim or Nibelheim reactor...?

[Da5nake]

or it could be the place at Juno's planetarium.......
i'm bad with names havent played since '98

[BG-57]

is it the golden saucer?

third light source perhaps the moon?

It's still not Gold Saucer. It's not the moon either.


The third light source is fire.

Yes it is. That makes the light sources the sun, electric light, and fire.


Perhaps the ropeway station? no, maybe Nibelheim or Nibelheim reactor...?

No to all.


or it could be the place at Juno's planetarium.......
i'm bad with names havent played since '98

The only planetarium I know of is in Cosmo Canyon. Which isn't the answer. It's not in Junon either, if that's the place you meant.

[Timster]

is it Wutai/DaChao statue?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

where's the electricity ther?

i want to say it has something to do with cosmo canyon and the fire being the candle, the electricity being bugenhagens contraptions. can't think of anything cross-shaped tho :(

[BG-57]

It's not in Wutai or Cosmo Canyon.

Thrice illuminated (Lit by Sun, Electric Lights, Fire)
Solar and cruxiform (Sun and Cross Motiff)
It covers but hides
No great secrets (Nothing Important)

[Da5nake]

isn't it the place where you meet Caith Sith?......... just something similar........

[BG-57]

Do you mean Gold Saucer? If so, then no.

[Dragon Mage]

it's the sun and cross motiff that's throwing me off. Could you elaborate a bit more on that, please?

[BG-57]

It's a recurrent pattern in the answer, like squares on a checkerboard.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the mural on the wall of the room in the temple of the ancients where you fight the dragon?

[BG-57]

It's not the mural in the Temple of the Ancients.

Repost:

Thrice illuminated (Lit by Sun, Electric Lights, Fire)
Solar and cruxiform (Sun and Cross Motiff)
It covers but hides
No great secrets (Nothing Important)

[musenji]

...Makes me think of a rug or carpet in a room. There could be, for instance, sunlight streaming in through a window, with candlelight and some form of electric light both inside the room. And the rug/carpet would simply cover the floor.

That's not a guess, obviously--just an idea to get thoughts churning.

[Da5nake]

oh yeah im thinking of this town where cloud and party stay at and find a materia on the floor of the inn......... damn im bad with towns lol i really got to play again >.<

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

I thought about practically every single Inn in the whole game, and the only Inn I can think of where that might happen is Icicle Inn. You mean Icicle Inn? A few other inns have Elixirs or the item pack in Aeris's house, but no materia as I recall.

[BG-57]

The answer is the carpet on the floor next to the wall map at Icicle Inn. It has a pattern that resembles suns and crosses, it is near ceiling lights, sunlight through the window, and a lit fireplace.

The nothing important it covers is simpler than a materia; it is simply a patch of bare floor.

Musenji had the breakthrough in all but name, but Weimar Pluto Knight VII supplied the name. In a case like this I'll just suggest whoever posts first gets to go.

[Dragon Mage]

You cheeky git. How do you come up with these riddles?

[BG-57]

You cheeky git. How do you come up with these riddles?

Usually I just thumb through the strategy guide and latch onto an image, item, monster, or location that inspires me. In this case it was the image of Icicle Inn. Originally I had planned to make it about the wall map, but the pattern on the carpet grabbed my attention. :p

Although I freely admit that there was a comment that influenced me:


Those are fun to make, but are getting too common so they aren't hard anymore.

I took that as a direct challenge. :D

[Da5nake]

rofl well now all that's left is for another riddle ...........


lol Strat Guide xD

[musenji]

Mmm, well okay, I just came back to check today. I wasn't really offering mine as a guess, but since Weimar hasn't posted yet I guess I can post one. (I did think of icicle town, with the image of sunlight streaming through a window, and also thought of the idea of a fireplace instead of candlelight...)

Okay, so here:


Like a simple science project
Saturation unto a string
Or adult’s chalice elect,
Is the nature of this thing.

You may spare the hopper,
With your new hope erected,
Or “rightfully gain copper”
When trials are recollected.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nice rhyming :D

the only thing i can think of is just from the saturation of a string line, and that's seto's tears. they fall at a constant, slow speed and along the exact same line. anything to do with that?

[musenji]

Mmm, no, I ought to note that the first two lines refer to something in real life. A real science project that kids sometimes do. Lemme know if that's out-of-bounds.

[Dragon Mage]

You cheeky git. How do you come up with these riddles?

Usually I just thumb through the strategy guide and latch onto an image, item, monster, or location that inspires me. In this case it was the image of Icicle Inn. Originally I had planned to make it about the wall map, but the pattern on the carpet grabbed my attention. :p

:D I, too, go through numerous walkthroughs I randomly find for inspration. The long lists of monsters, enemy skills, materia, armor, and weapons are of great use (which is how I came up with the 'Cloud's Swords' riddle. Notice they were listed in alphabetical order?)


Although I freely admit that there was a comment that influenced me:


Those are fun to make, but are getting too common so they aren't hard anymore.

I took that as a direct challenge. :D

Good for you! Man, you don't screw around! Note: don't get on your bad side. :lol:

As for the current riddle:

What kind of science project are we looking at here? Volcano? Magnets? Grass? Let me narrow it down: Geology, Physics, Biology, Astronomy. Which category would it belong to?

[musenji]

Well, I did say saturation unto a string, which is literally what the project consists of. It's chemistry.

[Dragon Mage]

Osmosis involved here? lol, sorry, but I'm drawing a blank. Chemistry; now I'm thinking of potions, elixers, something along that line. Hero drink. But this is just pondering aloud.

[musenji]

The experiment involves the use of water, but has nothing to do with osmosis. That's all I'll say for a bit. Otherwise, maybe think about the other lines too.

[Timster]

the only science project that comes to mind is that you evaporate water so that crystals are formed, if you have a string in a glass of water containing, say, ordinary salt or sugar (the salt is dissolved in the water), when the water evaporates, the crystals form on the string instead...

so the only thing that comes to mind as an answer would be materia, with it's refining process and all that... although i'm probably waaay off...

But i'm studying a science-program in school so that's why i know of different experiments... if that one's wrong then i'll probably think of another one... HEHE :D

[DeStyle]

Timster I think you mean an experiment in which
you make a saturated solution of one compound (CuSO4,
copper sulphate, because it's pretty :P) and in that
solution you hang a cristal of that compound (copper sulphate).
Then you leave it alonoe and wait for the compound to come
out of it's solution, it will then bind to the already present
crystal of the compound.

The proces is called crystalliztion. So I guess the riddle has
to do something with those materia crystals.

[Lost Number]

Its allowed, definitly, and i've made chemistry references before in my riddles (no one got it).
As for WHAT the answer is, saturation of a string...well, most of us know what saturation is, but in crystalisation, it is definitly not the string is saturated. The solution is saturated (works better if its heated too), not the string. So I honestly cannot think of any chemistry experiment (and i've done a few) that fits this description. The thing that hits me here is "rightfully gain copper". This could indeed refer to the pretty blue copper sulphate, but you dont gain copper - you gain a copper salt. A possible alternative is that it refers to a piece of copper equipment, and the crystals might be some of the many strange articles seen in the game which may be crystals.

[Timster]

yeah i meant like crystallization but i know the experiment you're talking of (did it like 2-3 weeks ago actually, isn't it nice when you're in a science program:D, experiments and all that...btw the pretty thing is because it's blue crystals instead of white:p) and thats not the one i'm refferring to, mine is ALOT simpler (at least the chemistry behind the experiment)

but anyway, back to the subject... it says in the riddle saturation UNTO a string... meaning the string wasn't saturated in the beginning, the sat. is added, hence my choice for example experiment, when the water evaporates, the salt simply moves on to the string, because it breaks the structure of the water (aaw man i don't know what it's called in english!), it's a difference in environment sort of...

maybe like the refinging process of mako creating materia, hence my guess, materia

[Lost Number]

The experiment, I know what you mean, is indeed crystalisation, and the reason it forms is because the salt which cannot be held in solution any longer solidifies in groups - crystals. I suppose now it makes sense.

[Light Mage]

Like a simple science project
Saturation unto a string
Or adult’s chalice elect,
Is the nature of this thing.

You may spare the hopper,
With your new hope erected,
Or “rightfully gain copper”
When trials are recollected.

The Mako condensing machinery at Nibelheim Reactor?

[musenji]

The answer isn't materia or a mako reactor (or part of a mako reactor).

Yep, I was referring to the project where you mix sugar in boiling water to the point of saturation, then let the water cool, and crystals form on the string. Didn't occur to me that you could do it with salt too...usually kids would opt for sugar so that they could eat the crystals, but sugar vs. salt isn't the important thing.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

does it have anything to do with the mako shells that the sister ray fires?

[musenji]

Nope!

[Timster]

is it related to the yuffie sidequest?

the trials could be referring to the pagoda quest...

[psyniac_123]

Is it to do with Red XIII and Seto etc?

[musenji]

Nope, neither of those.

Edit: Hmm, okay, a hint...it has nothing to do with materia or mako.

[Dragon Mage]

I want to say icecicles. i don't rightly know why. Otherwise, I would've guessed the whole 'thing' of mako that sephiroth was in when Cloud gave him materia of doomy-death. But that's not it, becuase the answer has nothing to do with mako. Crap. Is this a process or an object? Something you do?

[musenji]

Not icicles...

There was some important information about the nature of the answer revealed from finding out what the science project was about...at least I thought there was.

Is the second stanza a complete mystery? It's about a different aspect of the answer than the first stanza. "Your new hope" refers to the answer itself. So it's an object.

[ReloadPsi]

So if it's not a Materia, then it's not Holy. Which can only mean...

...that I haven't got a clue.

[Timster]

does it have anything to do with the city of the ancients (or whatever it's called, it's the one near bone village...

[Firo Volondé]

Anything to do with Cloud's memories? 'recollected' made me think of it, and I don't know what else to guess.

[musenji]

No, to both. Repost:


Like a simple science project
Saturation unto a string
Or adult’s chalice elect,
Is the nature of this thing.

You may spare the hopper,
With your new hope erected,
Or “rightfully gain copper”
When trials are recollected.


Another hint: line 7 refers to something engrained in U.S. culture, which is why it's in quotes. I see now that a lot of the regulars are not from the U.S. ..You might still have heard what this refers to.

[Dragon Mage]

not. helping. I live in the U.S. and I've never heard that before. the quests to get the Huge materia?

[musenji]

Okay...it's not the thing itself, it's a reference to it. Think "really well-known phrases that involve the 'gaining' of copper".

Yeah, I'm guessing this riddle is a real stretch. I'll give the answer tonight or tomorrow. I'll bring my body armor. :-)

(I said it had nothing to do with mako or materia..)

[Dragon Mage]

XD

ok, so its the crystallization of something. no mako/materia. check.

2nd stanza:
it's the reference to the said object of crystallization. check

the phrase of hard work....no check. That my good sir is where i'm lost.

P.S.: Please check out the riddle thread on the AC forum. if you're stuck here, go there.

[musenji]

not the process of crystallization...

...Hard work? The expression isn't about hard work. Unless you're a shopaholic, I suppose....

[Dragon Mage]

Ah ha! ok, now we're getting somewhere.

ok so...

it's the object that is formed by crystallization. check

not mako/materia. check


2nd.

you buy it (?) or you get it from effort.

reference to object formed by crystallization that you can buy.

Ice crystal?

[musenji]

heh, I meant the other way around. If you're a shopaholic, "doing this" would be very difficult.

[Dragon Mage]

Ok, so you don't buy it.

but an Ice Crystal you can't buy. You have to get it from the chocobo races.

p.s. check out the riddle thread on the AC forum.

[musenji]

Ack! Sorry, no, it's not the ice crystal.

Edit: hint: but it IS an item.

Edit 2: hint 2: line 7 refers to an expression involving a penny. hence the copper..

hint 3: "hopper" refers to a garbage hopper, and it's symbolic, not literal.

hint 4: the answer is two words. stanza 1 is about one of the words (and the item's "nature"), and stanza 2 is about the other word (what the item does).

[Dragon Mage]

Ah! See when you said 'hopper' I was thinking like the grain hopper! *chuckles*

The only thing that comes to mind about the penny is a Luck Source.

[Light Mage]

THE SAVE CRYSTAL!

:D:D:D

"A penny saved is a penny earned." (Penny earned = Gain copper.)

I hope I'm right, my guess was a real "eureka" moment!

[musenji]

Yep, okay, and here's the breakdown.

Like a simple science project
Saturation unto a string (the sugar crystallization thing)

Or adult’s chalice elect,

chalice = glass,
adult = only for adults, meaning involving alcohol
elect = high-class or high-quality...a crystal wine glass

Is the nature of this thing. (the thing is crystal)

You may spare the hopper,
With your new hope erected, (keep from wasting/"trashing" your time [dying and starting from outside the cave] by having access to this thing)

Or “rightfully gain copper”
When trials are recollected. ("earn" the recollection of your trials by saving them first)


You're up, mage!

[Dragon Mage]

I'm going to hurt you. Both of you. That had me stumped and I was the only one guessing for the longest time! Then suddenly, out of nowhere, comes LM waltzing in with the answer! *screams*

[musenji]

I understand, it's frustrating when that happens.

It's a risk of the game, I suppose. Kinda like how in Wheel of Fortune if you get some letters up on the board they help the other people just as much as you.

*rummages for better analogy*

[Light Mage]

I'm going to hurt you. Both of you. That had me stumped and I was the only one guessing for the longest time! Then suddenly, out of nowhere, comes LM waltzing in with the answer! *screams*
Well I've been "lurking" on this thread for a few days, never having been able to come up with any answer that you yourself hadn''t already thought of, and had rejected. ;)

Now I get to think of a riddle...? Okay:

Urn of Heaven, owned by Chelonia
What secrets do you hide?
A song by Madonna, fighting hard
To regain family pride...

[musenji]

I'm sure I've got it, but I don't want to spoil it for others who would like a chance to solve it. So, here's my answer:

Yuffie hiding in the urn outside Turtle's Paradise?

Heaven = paradise
Chelonia = turtle
Madonna = noble or important woman

Yuffie is stealing the materia to return her family pride, and she hides in the urn outside "Chelonia's Heaven"

...maybe the song refers to a noise she makes from inside the urn?

[Eagleheart]

*is here*


(hey, how do I make my signature visible?)

[musenji]

Welcome!

(Go to editga, and at the bottom under "additional options", click on "show your signature".)

[Timster]

not to be a partypooper and spoil all the fun for you but you will have the admins and knights after you so i'd suggest moving on to the help forum or PM eachother, or even me i'll be glad to help, especially about sigs, but you shouldn't post such things here. so PM instead of posting here...

And hi Eagleheart, if you want to introduce yourself, you can make a "newbie thread" as they're called in the general chat forum

and btw this is just an advice...because if you continue you probably WILL be warned by admins or others... and you probably wouldn't like that...

EDIT: BTW nice guess musenji, i think you got it and you beat me to it too ;)... well you snooze you loose, i guess...

[Eagleheart]

Oh, I don't really plan on introducing myself. I'm Eagleheart, and that's all anybody really ever need know. I just plan on being here and solving riddles and if it should so happen that I can figure out how to get my signature working, that'd be neat, but it's not tremendously necessary and hardly something worth making a thread over.

[Dragon Mage]

Well I've been "lurking" on this thread for a few days, never having been able to come up with any answer that you yourself hadn''t already thought of, and had rejected.

Yeah. I was joking. I thought it was a bit of a comical situation; you know, how you just seemed to materialize out of nowhere with the answer. mrh?

Urn of Heaven, owned by Chelonia................Chelonia=turtle. Turtle's Paradise
What secrets do you hide?..........................Yuffie's hiding inside
A song by Madonna, fighting hard.................Material Girl
To regain family pride.................................Yuffie, of course.

Now that was easy, probably becuase I listen to oldies music. I had the answer before I saw musenji's post, lol. Now I feel smart/special!!

[Light Mage]

Urn of Heaven, owned by Chelonia................Chelonia=turtle. Turtle's Paradise
What secrets do you hide?..........................Yuffie's hiding inside
A song by Madonna, fighting hard.................Material Girl
To regain family pride.................................Yuffie, of course.

Now that was easy, probably becuase I listen to oldies music. I had the answer before I saw musenji's post, lol. Now I feel smart/special!!

:D

EDIT:
I didn't see musenji's spoiler post,

Yuffie hiding in the urn outside Turtle's Paradise?

Yuffie is stealing the materia to return her family pride, and she hides in the urn outside "Chelonia's Heaven"
That's the correct answer, and it was posted first, although your reasoning is spot on with Madonna's Materia(l) Girl. :D

[musenji]

Yeah, when I saw the real meaning...well, I didn't slap my forehead, but it made me think "good heavens, when he said 'a song by Madonna' he meant a song by Madonna." Awesome usage.

I'll have one up in roughly 10 hours. I have to sleep!

...Mmkay, here. This was a joint effort between Eagleheart and myself, but I'll be the "conductor" of the riddle, so to speak.



I am but a sign of the times, my friend,
the promise of better days;
Inspiring awe, then hatred and fear--
regret comes slow but stays.

I've travelled 'round the world, my friend,
by wing and wheel and rail,
watched creation bled to serve
and heard its solemn wail.

I've seen great mountains, and many a village,
touched clouds and the depths of the sea;
The riddle to solve is how, my friend,
these occurred simultaneously.

[Dragon Mage]

OMG! I like this riddle. Very nice.

My first thought: Time materia.

2nd thought: gil

3rd thought: the Weapons

4th thought: gaia

and now I'm still thinking.

[Light Mage]

Mako energy?

[musenji]

None of those.

[Light Mage]

The Shin-Ra electric power company?

[DeStyle]

I'm thinking something in the line of all vehicles
you'll posess. Maybe on the moment they all come
together (haven't played through whole FF VII yet,
I don't know of such occurance).

[musenji]

Neither of those. Light mage, you're clearly on the right track, and you're very close, but we had something slightly more specific in mind.

[DeStyle]

Mmmkay, Mako reactor(s)?


I am but a sign of the times, my friend, - Mako energy was a big evolution times changed.
the promise of better days; -Towns are promised to get a better life once they have mako reactors.
Inspiring awe, then hatred and fear-- - First people think Mako is good (they're shocked), then they begin to hate it and try do do
stuff about the Mako reactor. Then Shinra takes over the town
and (threathens) to destroy it.
regret comes slow but stays. - At first it seems good, but people find out Mako energy is the lifeforce of the planet, which is being drained. And creatures get mutated because of Mako reactors.


I've travelled 'round the world, my friend, - Mako reactors are everywhere across the globe.
by wing andw heel and rail,
watched creation bled to serve
and heard its solemn wail.

I've seen great mountains, and many a village,
touched clouds and the depths of the sea; -Perhaps refers to locations of Mako reactors.
The riddle to solve is how, my friend,
these occurred simultaneously.[/quote]

[musenji]

Close to spot on with the logic, but again not exactly the answer we had in mind.

(A hint: the answer can fit in the palm of the hand, but it can also dwarf a house.)

[DeStyle]

Maybe you're talking about the Lifestream (Mako),
I guess it could fit in the riddle.

But then again, Lifestream would fit ALOT of riddles.

[CloudStrifex]

Maybe black materia?
.. eee.

[musenji]

Mmm, nope, neither of those.

[PhoenixAsh]

Hey musenji :D, I've bounced around a few ideas, and I have got two, neither of which I can entirely fit, but I'll go with clones/Jenova cells:

I am but a sign of the times, my friend,
the promise of better days; (They were meant to be the new brand of warriors)
Inspiring awe, then hatred and fear-- (Sephiroth)
regret comes slow but stays. (Maybe Nibelheim, maybe just general

I've travelled 'round the world, my friend, (The clones are everywhere)
by wing and wheel and rail, (Cloud manages all of these)
watched creation bled to serve (Jenova herself witnessed this from the start, and Cloud in Avalanche more directly)
and heard its solemn wail. (Sephiroth does this when he is asleep and learns the knowledge of the ancients)

I've seen great mountains, and many a village,
touched clouds and the depths of the sea;
The riddle to solve is how, my friend,
these occurred simultaneously. (My problem with this is the second part, Cloud sees mountains and villages simulatneously in space, but unless 'touching' is metaphorical then that doesn't carry to the next line...)


I do think this is wrong, but my other guesses, which are closer to Light Mage's answer don't fit well enough yet.

[musenji]

Hey! :D

You're right that that's not it. Did you see the hint in post 3364?

"Touched" does literally mean "came into contact with", though "seen/watched/heard" are less literal.

[Light Mage]

The Huge Materia?

[musenji]

No, you were closer with your last guess.

Edit: A repost:

I am but a sign of the times, my friend,
the promise of better days;
Inspiring awe, then hatred and fear--
regret comes slow but stays.

I've travelled 'round the world, my friend
by wing and wheel and rail,
watched creation bled to serve
and heard its solemn wail.

I've seen great mountains, and many a village,
touched clouds and the depths of the sea;
The riddle to solve is how, my friend,
these occurred simultaneously.

Hints:

-"touched" literally means came into physical contact with
-"seen/watched/heard" are not quite so literal
-the answer can be smaller than a fist or larger than a house

"Shinra corporation" is the closest guess so far, but we're looking for something slightly more specific.

[DeStyle]

Does this have something to do with the deap sea mako reactor?



touched clouds and the depths of the sea;
The riddle to solve is how, my friend,
these occurred simultaneously.


How these occurred simultaneously -> How clouds and
the depths of the sea occurred simultaneously -> How/when
Cloud and the depths of the sea occurred simultaneously.

Abstraction!

[musenji]

What the last three lines mean is simply this:

How can the answer be in physical contact with clouds in the sky and water at the bottom of the sea--at the same time?

[Dragon Mage]

Umm, the sunken Gelinka?

[musenji]

I re-iterate: touching clouds in the sky and the depths of the sea at the same time.

The Gelnika could be involved in the answer, actually, but is not the answer itself, as it could have touched only one of those things at a time.

[Light Mage]

Technology?

[musenji]

Nope...while technology itself is the wing, wheel and rail, the answer only travels by these things.

Edit: ...or rather, travels on them.

[PhoenixAsh]

The Shinra logo?

I am but a sign of the times, my friend, (Actually literally a 'sign')
the promise of better days; (Shinra's message)
Inspiring awe, then hatred and fear-- (Again Shinra, also represting the actual image/association nature of the answer)
regret comes slow but stays. (Referring to above)

I've travelled 'round the world, my friend
by wing and wheel and rail, (On trains, cars and the Highwind)
watched creation bled to serve
and heard its solemn wail. (Its on the reactors)

I've seen great mountains, and many a village, (Its in a lot of villages, and in the Nibelheim reactor, plus on the highwind and rocket)
touched clouds and the depths of the sea; (Highwind, rocket, underwater reactor, Gelnika)
The riddle to solve is how, my friend,
these occurred simultaneously. (Its on all of these at the same time)#


-"touched" literally means came into physical contact with (Its physically painted or located on things)
-"seen/watched/heard" are not quite so literal (As above)
-the answer can be smaller than a fist or larger than a house (Logo can be made any size)


I actually don't know if the logo is on any of these things, but it fits.

[Eagleheart]

Spot on, old bean! Good stuff, good stuff. To be quite honest, neither musenji or I actually went and checked to make sure that the logo was in all the places we said it was, we just made fairly safe assumptions. Also, the logo is in my signature. Which wasn't really meant to serve as a hint, it's just irony.

[PhoenixAsh]

Okay, its been a while since I did this :) Could be hard, or I might have given enough to work from:

Somewhere in amid Garden’s throng,
It sounds like its before the storm.
What comes after may not off?
The water's edge blessed by the warm.
Below the surface life is heard,
Under Midas’ cup,
That’s not a word.

The question that should spring to mind,
Is what is destined by these lines?


EDIT: just wanted to say kudos to Eagleheart and musenji for their riddle, loved how literally the first line actually gives the answer :D.

[Dragon Mage]

So we're looking for an event?

[Eagleheart]

Somewhere in amid Garden’s throng, (Midgar "a MID GARdens's")
It sounds like its before the storm. (Kalm, the one that comes before the storm)
What comes after may not off? (Junon. June comes after may, "on" not off)
The water's edge blessed by the warm. (Costa "coast" del Sol "of the sun" The coast is the water's edge, the sun is the warm)
Below the surface life is heard, (Mideel. The lifestream is beneath it?)
Under Midas’ cup, (Gold Saucer)
That’s not a word. (I'd have to guess...gongaga? Definitely not a word)

The question that should spring to mind,
Is what is destined by these lines? (Various cities in FFVII)


The only lines I'm not sure of are the fifth and seventh, but I'm almost positive of all the others.

[PhoenixAsh]

Holy crap, I'm impressed. Gongaga is correct, I thought of changing the clue, but I got lazy by the end :) Line five isn't right, and neither is your answer, but you're on the right lines (obviously).

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i would guess that the wrong one is corel/north corel as the other towns have been in order and it is between costa del sol and gold saucer

[Timster]

cosmo canyon, seeing as they're (as d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x said) the locations in order timewise through the game, and the next destination would be cosmo canyon....

[PhoenixAsh]

Thats the one, Cosmo Canyon it is :)

Corel was "Below the surface life" is heard, as in sounds like coral. Worded to throw people off and think it was linked to the line above until Eagleheart got most of the riddle in one guess :)

[Timster]

i'll make a riddle soon :) haven't made one in a while... so give me some time... and i'll have it up...

[Dragon Mage]

*jittery with anticipation*

[Timster]

alright, here it is, i'm hoping it's a really hard one...

The riddle:

With one of the strongest defences,
I'm well hidden...

You may find a way to raise your strength in many ways,
through me,
by breaking and bending reality...

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i'm going to guess it's sephiroth's core but only based on the first couple of lines. not sure how it fits into the rest of the riddle.

[Timster]

nope, it's not...

[PhoenixAsh]

My first thought was the debug room... It fits pretty much everything loosely, but I doubt its right, seems a little too obscure for the riddle...

[Timster]

nope...

[qwertysaur]

Ruby Weapon?

[BG-57]

Repost:


With one of the strongest defences,
I'm well hidden...

You may find a way to raise your strength in many ways,
through me,
by breaking and bending reality...

Is it Cloud's mind?

[Dragon Mage]

Knight's of the Round Materia?

With one of the strongest defences,
I'm well hidden.........................Hidden on and umarked island.

You may find a way to raise your strength in many ways,
through me,............................most powerful materia; easy kills.
by breaking and bending reality...This refers to the summoning itself, when the area around the target shatters and the target enters what seems to be another dimension.

[Lost Number]

OK, here is what i think it is...I have it in all but name...its a enemy with very strong defence, probably some form of shell (well hidden) and you can get :skull::skull::skull::skull:loads of experience and AP by killing it...using Demi. I think.

[Light Mage]

Cloud's Apocalypse sword?

With one of the strongest defences, = Really high power
I'm well hidden... = Hidden in the Ancient Forest
You may find a way to raise your strength in many ways,
through me, = x3 Materia growth
by breaking and bending reality... = You have to re-arrange the landscape to get access to the Ancient Forest

[Timster]

nooo to all of you...

hint is definitely necessary: IT'S A LOCATION

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

the gelnika?

With one of the strongest defences, --> the strong enemies
I'm well hidden... --> underwater
You may find a way to raise your strength in many ways, --> morph enemies for different kinds of sources
through me,
by breaking and bending reality... --> not sure on this one? maube cos of hades? or maybe cos u can make urself superhuman in ther?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

The last line is probably hinting at morphing. Yeah, that sounds like the right answer.

[Timster]

yup the gelnika it is d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x

you've got most of the reasoning down too...
the last line is really morphing (breaks and bend reality for items)
and the strong defence is hinting at the emerald weapon which is sometimes located in front of the gelnika, and also you got the part about raising your strength by changing the enemies into various sources... soo you're up d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x !

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

coolio

high up on my perch
looking at my town
ravaged by war
and impending holiday-makers

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Yuffie.

[Lost Number]

The change disc screen which shows Yuffie.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Why would it be the change disc screen? although, that is what he seems to be using to describe Yuffie. Is it the last line? I'm not totally sure why that's there, and changing discs doesn't quite fit to me.

[Lost Number]

When it comes up in th egame, saying change to disc X or w/e, there is a screen showing a character...Yuffie is her on the Da Chao (sp?) mountains, looking at the town...so the change disc screen showing Yuffie is my answer.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

don't argue boys, none of you are right :D

[Eagleheart]

The Condor at the top of Fort Condor?

"Perch" calls to mind a bird of some sort, and Fort Condor is the only place being directly ravaged by war. The latter half of my reasoning is a little shaky, but you can visit Fort Condor just before you head for Costa del Sol, which would make your party "impending holiday makers", as Costa del Sol is the sort of place you'd go for a holiday.

[Light Mage]

Da Chao statue in Wutai?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

none rite so far, tho eagleheart's reasoning is more complex an intelligent than mine actually is, i shud hav gone for that one. :D

HINT: you're all on the rite lines except eagleheart

[PhoenixAsh]

Godo?

high up on my perch (Top of Pagoda)
looking at my town (it was actually in a sense HIS town)
ravaged by war (Wutai)
and impending holiday-makers (Wutai again I guess)

[Carl the Llama]

It has got to be where Cloud finds the baby birds on the way to Corel

high up on my perch (they are in a nest)
looking at my town (not sure about this one)
ravaged by war (its Corel which was destroied by the Shin Ra)
and impending holiday-makers (the only way to get to the golden shiney is from Corel)

and if I am right then I would like to pass =)

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

phoenixash got it

ur reasonings pretty sound too, wutai is ravaged by war as it had been made into a tourist town, hence impending holiday-makers

[PhoenixAsh]

I'll pass for now, sorry, pretty busy... If noone steps up soon I'll try and think of one.

[Lost Number]

Can I take it?

I speak in two languages only once.
I warn you of yourself
So i'm obviously not necessary
As such consigned to background.
Yet evidently closer.

[Enjolras]

Hmm...is it the finger pointer that appears and shows your location when you press select?
I'm in a bit of a hurry right now, so if on the chance it's right I'll explain my reasoning.:cool:

[Lost Number]

Dont worry...its wrong.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

it seems everyones given up cos its too hard n ive looked at it a few times and still dont hav a clue. fancy dropping a hint?

maybe ur TOO good at this LN :D

[Rokk]

..hmm...is it clouds mind?

[Dragon Mage]

I'm lost

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

this is the ff7 riddles on eyesonff.com. if u want to get home click the button at the top of ur browser that looks like a house :D

[Lost Number]

A hint...? Ok.
Its an object.

[Rokk]

Ohhh I think I may have it, is it:

Aeris' Materia that has 'no use'?

[Lost Number]

Nope.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

repost:

I speak in two languages only once.
I warn you of yourself
So i'm obviously not necessary
As such consigned to background.
Yet evidently closer.

Hints:
- it's an object

still have no idea

[Lost Number]

The answer is so obvious...once you work it out, it'l be flashing out in neon colours! Its so easy.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

What's the other language? The Ancients' language?

[Lost Number]

Hint: Its Japanese! I think.

[Dragon Mage]

funny pheonix, funny. XD

ah heck, I don't know. "This guy are sick?" Wutai?

[Eagleheart]

I'm thinking either the TV in the Avalanche hideout, or the warning system/display panel on the train that goes off when the player does the second bombing run.

[Lost Number]

Neither.

[Rokk]

is it that sign at the mako reactor that flashes "WARNING" (The first mako reactor)???

[Lost Number]

The full answer is that its BEFORE the reactor, but yes, it flashes warning in english and I presume japanese.

I speak in two languages only once. <-- only at the start of the game
I warn you of yourself
So i'm obviously not necessary <-- Wow! You are breaking in! You'd have thought it?
As such consigned to background. <-- its background
Yet evidently closer. <-- but its closer to the screen than characters.

[Dragon Mage]

the warning board monster.

[Lost Number]

the warning board monster.

Errr...someone already got it, man. D33p Darkn3ss, you are up.

[Rokk]

You can hurt me, but I will not give in,
I do not give what I should,
I have a partner next to me,
Your angry at me, however, you get turned away...

[MikeL Valentine]

You can hurt me, but I will not give in,
I do not give what I should,
I have a partner next to me,
Your angry at me, however, you get turned away...

Chocobo?

[Hazzard]

I don't understand the second line, and the third just makes me think of the Turks.

[Rokk]

No, sorry not chocobo...

The second line basically means that the answer to the riddle does not give what it should give...give as in "can i give you a cookie?"

... it's difficult to explain without giving it away :P

EDIT: Gah, heres a hint:
Its an object

[MikeL Valentine]

No, sorry not chocobo...

The second line basically means that the answer to the riddle does not give what it should give...give as in "can i give you a cookie?"

... it's difficult to explain without giving it away :P

EDIT: Gah, heres a hint:
Its an object

Maybe the all materia or the reflect materia?

[Rokk]

nope

[ReloadPsi]

...Tranquilizers?

[MikeL Valentine]

The part with the partner is really comfusing me.

[Hazzard]

Is it linked materia?

[MikeL Valentine]

Is it linked materia?

I was thinking the same thing but it's not acually an object so...

[TRANS_AM409]

I corrupted humanity with sin and live in the swamps only the birds can escape me who am i?

[Enjolras]

You have to wait for your turn, TRANS_AM.

[MikeL Valentine]

I corrupted humanity with sin and live in the swamps only the birds can escape me who am i?

Patience young aprentice.....patience...
Btw. you are that Snake near the chocobo's farm who guards that cave :p

[PhoenixAsh]

Okay, its been way to long since I played this, but it sounds like some kind of vending machine that Cloud either hits or kicks because it doesn't work, and gives an item it shouldn't and nothing (very little) else. It also sounds like there is another vendor of some sort nearby.

I can't remember if it fits the description, but the thing you get Premium Heart from?

[MikeL Valentine]

Hhhmmm what about the machine that Baret hits to go to the down floor in Tifa's tavern?

[Rokk]

Okay, its been way to long since I played this, but it sounds like some kind of vending machine that Cloud either hits or kicks because it doesn't work, and gives an item it shouldn't and nothing (very little) else. It also sounds like there is another vendor of some sort nearby.

I can't remember if it fits the description, but the thing you get Premium Heart from?


Hhhmmm what about the machine that Baret hits to go to the down floor in Tifa's tavern?

you two are very close... It's not the premium heart or the lift thing in Tifa's Tavern though...

[Hazzard]

is it when you have to play the piano in Tifa's house?

[MikeL Valentine]

is it when you have to play the piano in Tifa's house?

Good one but I think the ivory is better answer ;)

[Hazzard]

Or could it be that place in Wutai, and when you press the wrong button, a cage falls on your party?

[ReloadPsi]

The cupboard in Kalm which you have to kick to get a Megalixir. There are several more like it containing Ethers, but easier to loot.

[Rokk]

Oooooh.. Your all thinking correctly, just keep going and you'll get it...

What it's not:

- Materia of any kind
- Machine in Tifa's Bar
- Premium Heart machine in wal market
- Cage in Wutai
- Chocobo
- Turks
- Elixir cabinet in Kalm inn

Its an object...

You can hurt me, but I will not give in,
I do not give what I should,
I have a partner next to me,
You're angry at me, however, you get turned away...

[Hazzard]

Hey, is it Cait Sith.

He doesn't give the correct fortune tellings, and that's his job. He also got people angry when he betrayed the group.

[DeStyle]

Your


Is that intentional?
Grammar-wise it should be you're.

[Rokk]

Your


Is that intentional?
Grammar-wise it should be you're.

Sorry, yes it should be 'You're'.

and no it's not Cait Sith... sorry!

[Hazzard]

Hey, is it the battle with the twin heads, and it's in the northern cavern (first time) It's where you fight those crystals, and after the whole snowboarding thing. In the ice cave. Is it that?

[Rokk]

Hey, is it the battle with the twin heads, and it's in the northern cavern (first time) It's where you fight those crystals, and after the whole snowboarding thing. In the ice cave. Is it that?

Nope, it's a lot more easier than that. These two quotes are sooo close...


Okay, its been way to long since I played this, but it sounds like some kind of vending machine that Cloud either hits or kicks because it doesn't work, and gives an item it shouldn't and nothing (very little) else. It also sounds like there is another vendor of some sort nearby.

I can't remember if it fits the description, but the thing you get Premium Heart from?


Hhhmmm what about the machine that Baret hits to go to the down floor in Tifa's tavern?

[Hazzard]

Is it the Magic Pot?

[Rokk]

nope...
Heres another clue:

You can visit the location of this object twice, and only twice.

[Hazzard]

Are you talking about Lucrecia?

[Rokk]

nope....

[Hazzard]

Cid's Rocket?

[MikeL Valentine]

You can hurt me, but I will not give in,
I do not give what I should,
I have a partner next to me,
You're angry at me, however, you get turned away...

Give us a hint for the third line, that partner is really confusing me.

[Eagleheart]

Hmm. There are vending Machines in the Shinra HQ. Is it one of those?


Edit: The vending machines, or perhaps the item shop. The Shinra HQ being one of the places you can only visit twice.

[DeStyle]

Is it the locker in which Cait's ultimate weapon is stored?

[ReloadPsi]

Do those Mighty Grunts (red dudes who then turn blue and skinny) count as objects? They take a while to go down (except on your second visit) and give Tranquilizers, something which cures Fury, thus turning you away from your anger.

That's pretty farfetched.

[Rokk]

Hmm. There are vending Machines in the Shinra HQ. Is it one of those?


Edit: The vending machines, or perhaps the item shop. The Shinra HQ being one of the places you can only visit twice.

Eagleheart got it! It was the vending machine...

You can hurt me, but I will not give in, (cloud bashes the machine because it doesn't give him the drink)
I do not give what I should, (Does not give drink)
I have a partner next to me, (theres two vending machines)
You're angry at me, however, you get turned away... (woman in exercise room stops Cloud hitting the machine...)

[Hazzard]

Thank god, now I'll get the next one, hopefully.

[DeStyle]

Eagleheart got it! It was the vending machine...


If you're going to take something that unimportant in your
riddle you should make the riddle some bigger to keep it fair.
I mean c'mon, four lines isn't enough to describe a grey rock
in the lower left part of the train graveyard. Catch my drift?

/imo.

[Lost Number]

Last I heard you didnt make the rules on these things, ok? 4 lines is perfectly enough to describe it. Someone got it, didnt they? Dont complain just because you are too stupid to get it.

[Hazzard]

Last I heard you didnt make the rules on these things, ok? 4 lines is perfectly enough to describe it. Someone got it, didnt they? Dont complain just because you are too stupid to get it.

Quoted for truth, that riddle was actually good.

[Eagleheart]

Huzzah! I did hope I'd get it. I have a riddle in mind. I'm just going to put the finishing touches on it, and then it shall be posted ^__^


Edited: Riddle!

High over the earth,
The paradox sleeps,
North of rebirth,
And south of the deeps.

Bows to the marksman,
Though it masters the first.
Bequeaths the best,
In exchange for the worst.

[Rokk]

Eagleheart got it! It was the vending machine...


If you're going to take something that unimportant in your
riddle you should make the riddle some bigger to keep it fair.
I mean c'mon, four lines isn't enough to describe a grey rock
in the lower left part of the train graveyard. Catch my drift?

/imo.

Please if you actually looked I gave additional clues. The point of it being shorter is to make it more challenging...

Thank you Lost Number and Hazzard...

/peace

Edit: Oh yeah and please look above for Eagleheart's pretty awesome riddle... nice one ;)

[Sephitachi7]

Maybe the big Phoenix on top of the Condor Fort thing?

[Hazzard]

That just makes me think of North Crater and Sephiroth.

[zellv2]

Holy moly lol thats well hard wooo this forum I made is still active haha

[Eagleheart]

Edit: Oh yeah and please look above for Eagleheart's pretty awesome riddle... nice one
Thank you ^__^ I quite like to write riddles, and I hope this one provides a good challenge. I think it should.


Maybe the big Phoenix on top of the Condor Fort thing?
No, but I think I can kind of see how you got to that reasoning, and I rather like it. Someone needs to write a riddle about the Phoenix on top of Fort Condor, because it seems like quite a good answer.


That just makes me think of North Crater and Sephiroth.
Nope, not it.

Repost:

High over the earth,
The paradox sleeps,
North of rebirth,
And south of the deeps.

Bows to the marksman,
Though it masters the first.
Bequeaths the best,
In exchange for the worst.


When and if I should happen to need to give hints, I'm likely to give them in the form of supplementary stanzas to the riddle, is that all right? Or do people prefer straight up things like "It's a _______" or "It's not a ________"?

[DeStyle]

Please if you actually looked I gave additional clues. The point of it being shorter is to make it more challenging...

Thank you Lost Number and Hazzard...

/peace

Edit: Oh yeah and please look above for Eagleheart's pretty awesome riddle... nice one ;)[/quote]


Well yeah but your riddle eventually came down to a small
event that happens just once in the game, that's just
too farfetched for me. I bet in order to solve it either
he played through the Shinra HQ part or he looked the
part up in a gamefaq.

What the hell!? I'm getting attacked because I have
a remark on a riddle? Shame on you. I was simply stating
my oppinion.

[Hazzard]

Shame on you, you were in fact bashing him. You comment on members like Roto, when you're not even in the right predicament to talk. That was a perfectly justified riddle, and was challenging. You may lack skills in riddles or the sort, but some people like to crack a code. Most likely, he didn't look at an FAQ, he probably done it the way smart people do, and that's remembering a past event. Can't believe someone can get jealous over harmless fun, please stop now.

[PhoenixAsh]

Actually I'm gonna side with DeStyle a bit. I generally prefer to make riddles that are about very well known things. Its quite annoying to spend a long time staring at a riddle to try and find the trick, and then find out later that the answer was something so obscure you had no chance of getting it.

D33p Darkn3ss' riddle happened to be very clearly written, which was why I could do most of the working for it without having any memory of that vending machine. As a general rule though I say make the question difficult, not the answer.

As for the current riddle:

High over the earth, (the only things that are high up are meteor, Highwind, Ultima Weapon, certain buildings, the rocket and mountains)
The paradox sleeps, (only Ultima Weapon, or something in the mountains or buildings, sleeps high up)
North of rebirth, (Ultima and mountains are North of what I'm guessing is Fort Condor or Mideel)
And south of the deeps. (Everything is South of the crater, and only Mideel is South of much sea. This doesn't help much)

Bows to the marksman, (Ultima can be hit from the highwind and killed but its a long way away. Alternately, Lucrecia, who lives in a cave as above responds to Vincent, the best fit for a marksman)
Though it masters the first. (This doesn't make much sense to me, though Lucrecia is the mother of Sephiroth, Clone 1, and Ultimate kind of wins its first fight with the party)
Bequeaths the best, (Gives Vincent Death Penalty/ Cloud Ultimate Weapon)
In exchange for the worst. (Then Dies)

So I'd go with Lucrecia, although I'm wary of how high up she is... In which case Ultimate Weapon seems more likely...

[Hazzard]

So even if you get that Lucrecia guess wrong, then you'll probably get the Ultimate Weapon one, right.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

i'm gonna guess ultima WEAPON.

High over the earth, --> it waits in the air until u encounter it for real on disc 3
The paradox sleeps, --> it doesnt actually do anything until u crash into it
North of rebirth, --> cloud is "reborn" as himself in mideel after the lifestream event, and ultima WEAPONS original postion is above the crater to the norht of mideel
And south of the deeps. --> the largest ocean on the map is to the north of that continent . . . i think :D

Bows to the marksman, --> is out of reach to anyone on the ground in some battles, unless they have a gun/long range weapon
Though it masters the first. --> not sure on this bit
Bequeaths the best, --> ultima weapon
In exchange for the worst. --> the mass of battles u have to fight and tracking it around the world to fight it.

i bet i'm miles off :D

[Hazzard]

Yeah but everyone needs to remember that if the answer is right, then it's actually Phoenix Ash's answer. Copy?

[Eagleheart]

That's all right, no one's got it yet, though there has been some correct reasoning.

[Sephitachi7]

Meteor seems like the next best answer here.

[Eagleheart]

Nope.

[PhoenixAsh]

Actually, I'll try a slightly different line and go with the Temple of the Ancients:

High over the earth, (Tall Building)
The paradox sleeps, (This actually fits more than usual, as its one of the most paradoxical things in the game)
North of rebirth, (I think it is actually North of Mideel)
And south of the deeps. (Its also now South of the main oceans)

Bows to the marksman, (It lets people with the keystone enter, but I'm not sure why that means marksman)
Though it masters the first. (Tseng falls before you get there)
Bequeaths the best, (Meteor the most powerful destructive magic)
In exchange for the worst. (Requires someone to die in order to get it)

[Eagleheart]

Nope. Again, some of the right reasoning, but not applied correctly.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

was the marksman thing i mentioned before about long range attackers rite?

wanna drop a hint?

[Eagleheart]

I'm rather adverse, personally, to answering general questions about the specific qualities of the answer, I feel it's against the spirit of the things. I will say again that a lot of people are following approximately the right reasoning.

If more people ask for it, I'll put up a hint in the form of another stanza, which will give more insight to the nature of the answer.

[Sephitachi7]

another stanza would be nice.

[Eagleheart]

High over the earth,
The paradox sleeps,
North of rebirth,
And south of the deeps.

Bows to the marksman,
Though it masters the first.
Bequeaths the best,
In exchange for the worst.

When you find it again,
Need it you'll not,
After the ultimate price,
A negligible cost.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

The Black Materia?

[Timster]

Great Gospel?

[Eagleheart]

Nope, and nope.