ff7 riddles

[Spinz33]

Wow this still isn't solved and i reread it and i still can't think of anything. It's starting to bother me now that i don't know the answer.

[musenji]

Repost:

“The Tango Riddle”

Deserved for breathing life back in, (Shiva)
Stop a giant mastered from within. (Proud Clod)

Cause beginning of life to come to an end, (Ifrit)
Life’s story told in a place to mend. (Kalm)

Responding with dance is slightly strange, (Choco/Mog)
Do spaceship watchers ever change? (people in Rocket Town)

When father’s daughter takes the crown, (Leviathan)
Overlooking two of nine’s hometown. (Mt. Nibel)

Over an unwelcome touch a kind of storm, (Alexander)
Use surer feet or land deformed. (Ancient Forest)

From Alpha to Omega the elements combined,
With a sidewards glance should your path unwind.
Some research done and one more glance,
Just exactly who would love this chance?


Basically, it's become clear that you can't get straight to the final answer--there are a couple of steps inbetween. The first step was to figure out what each of the first ten lines referred to, which has been done.

The next step is to figure out what the last stanza is telling you to do. This is something that has to be done line by line.

The second line of the last stanza is meant to reveal the phrase "cloud sword". However, this was only supposed to happen as a result of solving the previous line, "From alpha to omega the elements combined". Without solving that line properly, you're left at a dead end.

As I meant to strongly imply with my recent post, the "elements" line relates to the summons referred to in the first 5 stanzas. And something to do with alphabetical order. And it relates to the elements of the summons, not the summons themselves.

All of this was said already, but with a lot of incorrect speculation inbetween. So, here's hoping that this little summary helps.


I, for one, would vote for PA simply spelling out what that line means, but he's got the prerogative. Hope I haven't completely overstepped my bounds. I mean in any normal circumstance I would've been out of line here, but he asked if I could add anything, so I'm tryin' to help out.

[JonyH]

Cause beginning of life to come to an end, (Ifrit) (Fire)
Life’s story told in a place to mend. (Kalm)

Over an unwelcome touch a kind of storm, (Alexander) (Holy)
Use surer feet or land deformed. (Ancient Forest)

Deserved for breathing life back in, (Shiva) (Ice)
Stop a giant mastered from within. (Proud Clod)

When father’s daughter takes the crown, (Leviathan) (Water)
Overlooking two of nine’s hometown. (Mt. Nibel)

Responding with dance is slightly strange, (Choco/Mog) (*non-elemental*)
Do spaceship watchers ever change? (people in Rocket Town)

From Alpha to Omega the elements combined, (Fire, Holy, Ice, Water, *non-elemental*) in alphabetical order. The stanzas arranged spell out CLOUD SWORD now! So that's the missing step to get CLOUD SWORD, I assume now that they are in order something esle should appear from the riddle possibly to do with the towns. Any ideas?

[PhoenixAsh]

Thanks musenji, I was determined not to give a full explanation to that, its too much of a key point in the riddle... I didn't quite expect it to take that long of course :)

JonyH, thats it (except Choco/Mog is actually a Wind elemental).

Also, to people still wondering what the point of all that was, it was, as JonyH seems to have identified, to make clear what has and hasn't been used so far.

Not far to go!

EDIT: Almost forgot my own riddle solution there :) Actually there is more point to that move than simply discovering CLOUD SWORD, but don't worry, that is the complete solution up until the final two lines.

[BG-57]

So the final answer is a person?

Is it (Mr. Obvious) Cloud himself?

[Carl the Llama]

I could be wrong here but is it the Heaven's Cloud sword I figues the last line is refering to the fact that the lower his HP is the less damage this weapon does?

[PhoenixAsh]

No and no :P Here's a hint, the solution to the riddle MAY require you to not ignore half of the lines, if you haven't used everything, you aint got the answer :)

Also, I should point out that a while back someone solved a huge chunk of the next line, but I didn't mention it at the time because it would have confused things... Its part of the section where I said a whole load of people got things right (most of which have now been identified such as the elements etc.)

Also also, the time has come where you need to look at the whole riddle. You still can't get the answer in one step (I buried it deep :D ), but it is VERY soon.

If noone gets the next step soon then I'll give hints, but it would be nice to see the working done after all this time :) Especially as the majority of it (and believe me this line is not easy) has been done already :)

[Rantz]

On the Cloud Sword matter:

Defeating Proud Clod gets you the Ragnarok.
In Kalm you can buy the Mythril Saber.
The old man in Rocket Town gives you the Yoshiyuki.
You'll find the Rune Blade on Mt. Nibel.
In Ancient forest, you can get the Apocalypse.

Edit: I just saw this part had already been posted, but I figured it out myself anyway :jess: (end edit)

Finding these weapons could be the research mentioned. "Another glance" gets me further: With the stanzas put in the elemental/alphabetical order, the weapons' starting letters spell "MARRY". And exactly who would love the chance of marriage? How about Priscilla ("Cause you're gonna marry me one day").

My guess for the answer is Priscilla.

[PhoenixAsh]

:eek: I was expecting a LITTLE bit of groping around before someone got it! Congratulations Rantzien!

Seriously, well done to everyone who contributed to solving this, I was amazed it got stuck out as long as it did, so thank you :)

Well I enjoyed that :) Rantzien, you're up!

EDIT: Oh, and for reference the title "The Tango Riddle" was meant to refer to the fact that the early lines were designed to move around in pairs. The full solution (its now spread over several pages was):

“The Tango Riddle”

Deserved for breathing life back in, (Shiva)
Stop a giant mastered from within. (Proud Clod)

Cause beginning of life to come to an end, (Ifrit)
Life’s story told in a place to mend. (Kalm)

Responding with dance is slightly strange, (Choco/Mog)
Do spaceship watchers ever change? (people in Rocket Town)

When father’s daughter takes the crown, (Leviathan)
Overlooking two of nine’s hometown. (Mt. Nibel)

Over an unwelcome touch a kind of storm, (Alexander)
Use surer feet or land deformed. (Ancient Forest)

From Alpha to Omega the elements combined,
With a sidewards glance should your path unwind.
Some research done and one more glance,
Just exactly who would love this chance?

1) Break down the individual lines.

2) Notice each pair contains a summon and an event/place.

3) Use the alpha/omega/elements line combined with the fact this is "The tango riddle" to move the lines in pairs into the correct order.

4) Sidewards glance obviously to realize that the information you haven't yet used relates to Cloud's swords (you made this leap sooner than I expected )

5) Once the pairs have been moved to spell CLOUD SWORD, then the swords should automatically be in the correct order for MARRY.

6) Then yes, it was Priscilla I had in mind

[Rantz]

I thought "Tango" referred to that the solving was divided into "steps". Great riddle, I have to say. :) I'm sorry that I just barged in and sort of stole the answer from those who have helped solving it from the start.

This one is written quickly, it's likely to be easy:

I might be your rescue
or I might be your doom,
I can push you out of sight
my master left to loom
Signs of love will give you
the marksman's perfect sight,
while royal bling provides you
an army fit for fight
Sometimes I bring you demons
at other times I dance
But always when you see me
I am a game of chance!

[BG-57]

Cait Sith's Slots Limit Break?

[Rantz]

That was my first ever guessed-in-one riddle. Good job BG. :)

[BG-57]

Well I wouldn't have guessed the answer to the riddle before. The sad part is I don't use Slots. I prefer Dice. :D

And as for the PhoenixAsh's riddle, it ranked up there with the infamous FFIX Riddle of Doom. :skull: But PhoenixAsh was a lot more gracious about it.

For those in a hurry
Please pay a visit
But if you don't see
What you want
Then go away and
Come back later

[Carl the Llama]

The Ultima Materia

[BG-57]

It's not Ultima Materia.

[PhoenixAsh]

I don't think this is correct, but just to get the ball rolling I'll go with the GP salesman:

For those in a hurry (quick way to get GP rather than having to earn it)
Please pay a visit (obvious enough)
But if you don't see (The italics worried me, though you can't see him when he isn't there, quite rare for someone to disappear in FFVII)
What you want (Him/GP)
Then go away and
Come back later (He spawns randomly (I think), so if you leave and come back he eventually will turn up)

Oh, and thanks... I think... I was aware of the riddle you're talking about, but didn't follow it so I don't know what happened with it :)

[Rantz]

It went on for, what was it, 30 pages? Then it got it's own thread and continued for another x pages. The sad thing was that the answer wasn't "guessed" as such but rather a passing mention which was confirmed by Thingfish.

[musenji]

I've heard tales of that one. Never saw it, myself. I always wondered if it was just some randomly elaborate and vague concoction, or if it was all logically connected and graspable. Anyone have a link? I've never played FF9 so I won't get it, probably, but sometimes you can get a sense of these things even when you haven't played the game.

[BG-57]

It's not the GP seller, but you're correct that the italics are significant.

Here's the thread (http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fantasy-ix/68276-thingfishs-riddle.html) for the Riddle of Doom.

[PhoenixAsh]

Again, pretty sure I'm wrong, but fishing for ideas... Lucrecia's cave?

For those in a hurry (You get Death Penalty and Chaos, either could tenuously relate to a hurry, also both make you stronger which would speed you up)
Please pay a visit (Literal)
But if you don't see
What you want (Lucrecia only appears to Vincent, again one of the few places where something disappears...)
Then go away and
Come back later (... and the items only appear once you've left and fought battles before returning)

I have a feeling that "see" is referring to something that can be interacted with whilst invisible, or at least where vision is more relevant than what I've come up with, but I'm taking shots here :)

I checked out Thingfish's riddle thread. Impressively worked, but I really hate obscure answers. I don't like the idea that I'm trying to solve a riddle when theres a high possibility that I have never heard of the solution.

[BG-57]

It's not Lucretia's cave.

Maybe I should have used quotes for 'see'.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the guy in the mithril cave? the 'see' bit could be referring to seeing the correct number of battles in the text box to obtain a prize.

[BG-57]

It's not the Mythril Cave.

[zellv2]

Back room of Cosmo Canyon General Store, don't think its this but it was worth a shot :D theres a rope that blocks the way before septhiroth summons the meteor so you have to come back to it at disc 4 inside the room there is an Elixer, Full Cure Materia and a Magic source

[BG-57]

Good guess. But not the answer.

See is a pun.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it obtaining the contain materia from the white chocobo in mideel? u can try first time but it doesn't always work, so u hav to return later

[BG-57]

It's not the White Chocobo/Contain materia quest.

[Dragon Mage]

Um, sorry, I know I've been gone for a long time.

But isn't it the Chocobo Sage?

think about it...

For those in a hurry
Please pay a visit.....he's out in the middle of nowhere, says likes visitors.
But if you don't see
What you want
Then go away and
Come back later.......He often forgets the info you want so you can make a golden chocobo. The only way to solve this is to leave and come back later.

Makes sense to me...

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the guy in the white house near gold saucer? if you go there too early in the game he's just not there and u have to return to get the keystone and great gospel

[Comet]

Is it some kind of weapons salesman in a town?

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Battle Square in Gold Saucer

[BG-57]

Um, sorry, I know I've been gone for a long time.

But isn't it the Chocobo Sage?

think about it...

For those in a hurry
Please pay a visit.....he's out in the middle of nowhere, says likes visitors.
But if you don't see
What you want
Then go away and
Come back later.......He often forgets the info you want so you can make a golden chocobo. The only way to solve this is to leave and come back later.

Makes sense to me...

Not the Chocobo Sage.


is it the guy in the white house near gold saucer? if you go there too early in the game he's just not there and u have to return to get the keystone and great gospel

It's not the man in the house.


Is it some kind of weapons salesman in a town?

Nope.


Battle Square in Gold Saucer

It's not Battle Square.

[cloud21zidane16]

Wonder Square at Gold saucer.

[BG-57]

Nothing to do with Gold Saucer.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

REPOST:

For those in a hurry
Please pay a visit
But if you don't see
What you want
Then go away and
Come back later

is the fact that's it's all broken up important? for example "but if you don't see what you want" would have made more sense to have just been on one line.

[gudkid]

ruby weapon?

[BG-57]

ruby weapon?

Nope.


REPOST:
is the fact that's it's all broken up important? for example "but if you don't see what you want" would have made more sense to have just been on one line.

Only to the extent that I wanted the lines to be of roughly equal length in couplets and most importantly, for one line to end with a pun:

For those in a hurry
Please pay a visit
But if you don't 'C'
What you want
Then go away and
Come back later

[Seal Evil]

Is it... something to do with the Ancient Forest?

[Hyperion4444]

BG-57, you're confusing as hell and getting people tired of this.

You bassically make the correct answer a sentence of somekind, while people say merly words.

I'd have to say that house at the bottom of the continent where a guy is there once a while you get to trade an item to select.
But if it's not that.. than I don't know.

[BG-57]

Is it... something to do with the Ancient Forest?

No.


BG-57, you're confusing as hell and getting people tired of this.

You bassically make the correct answer a sentence of somekind, while people say merly words.

I'm sorry if this is aggravating you. I do provide hints upon request.


I'd have to say that house at the bottom of the continent where a guy is there once a while you get to trade an item to select.
But if it's not that.. than I don't know.

It's not the house near Gold Saucer if that's what you mean.

[Firo Volondé]

BG-57, you're confusing as hell and getting people tired of this.

You bassically make the correct answer a sentence of somekind, while people say merly words.

I actually hate riddles that rely on single-word answers, because they almost always remove any thought or challenge from it, making it less fun. Good on you BG, for keeping these threads interesting!

The last four lines make me think of Enemy Skills, which are learnt when a monster uses a certain technique against you. If you don't see what (skill being used) you want ... come back later. Particularly the Midgar Zolom, as "come back later" implies that it's an encounter you can initiate yourself, and the Zolom is the only enemy with an ES that I can think of that falls into that category. But the first two lines contradict that theory completely. In fact, they also contradict each other, because if you're in a hurry you won't be visiting anyone.

In fact, the first line could be referring to Meteor. Then "please pay a visit" would indicate a story-relevant event or person. I've still got no idea what, though, but maybe someone else might be able to think of it.

[cloud21zidane16]

Tifas Premium Peart?
pay a vist to Wall Market
didnt see what i wanted
so go away and continue the journey
revisit once i have the key and get her best weapon

[BG-57]

I actually hate riddles that rely on single-word answers, because they almost always remove any thought or challenge from it, making it less fun. Good on you BG, for keeping these threads interesting!

Thank you. I guess my riddles aren't for everyone.


The last four lines make me think of Enemy Skills, which are learnt when a monster uses a certain technique against you. If you don't see what (skill being used) you want ... come back later. Particularly the Midgar Zolom, as "come back later" implies that it's an encounter you can initiate yourself, and the Zolom is the only enemy with an ES that I can think of that falls into that category. But the first two lines contradict that theory completely. In fact, they also contradict each other, because if you're in a hurry you won't be visiting anyone.

Nice thinking, but it's not E. Skills.


In fact, the first line could be referring to Meteor. Then "please pay a visit" would indicate a story-relevant event or person. I've still got no idea what, though, but maybe someone else might be able to think of it.

It's not directly related to Meteor, although some events can only happen after Meteor has appeared.


Tifas Premium Peart?
pay a vist to Wall Market
didnt see what i wanted
so go away and continue the journey
revisit once i have the key and get her best weapon

It's not the Premium Heart, but you are close.

[cloud21zidane16]

Tifas Premium Peart?
pay a vist to Wall Market
didnt see what i wanted
so go away and continue the journey
revisit once i have the key and get her best weapon

It's not the Premium Heart, but you are close.[/quote]

I think ive got it!!:D

Cait Siths HP Shout from the Shinra Building;)

[BG-57]

So close! It fits the riddle except the pun involving see and C.

[Darth Tjador]

uuhh awww man uhh maybe....w8

[Darth Tjador]

i got it cids awesome spear!!!!

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

Tifa's Final Heaven in the piano. I remember having to try many times to get it

[Darth Tjador]

ooo thats the answer.....(darn it)

[Hyperion4444]

Hopefully the next one is within the range of sanity.

[BG-57]

i got it cids awesome spear!!!!

It's not the Glow Lance.


Tifa's Final Heaven in the piano. I remember having to try many times to get it

Not Final Heaven.


Hopefully the next one is within the range of sanity.

It's not over yet.


cloud21zidane16 and Darth Tjador are both on the right track.

[Firo Volondé]

Is it an ultimate weapon?

Keeping in mind that the letter C is significant, I'll guess Conformer. I think it was found in the underwater plane wreck, so it's not like you've been there before, but might as well guess.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Oh ok so maybe it's Cloud's Ultima weapon since his name starts with a C? If you don't see Ultima Weapon just wait until Cid's theme is playing on the world map is I think when he first appears.

Yuffie's ultimate weapon starts with a c, conformer, but that doesn't seem to fit the riddle since as soon as you get the sub you can get it, and you don't have access to the area beforehand.

Maybe since Cid starts with C, it's his ultimate weapon. I think the old guy gives it to you by the rocket. Oh yeah you have to talk to him a bunch of times so it kinda fits the riddle, and also if he gives you the Yoshiyuki, you have to wait until there's no rocket to "see," then you get the Venus Gospel.

[senecawolf]

Is it the Chocobo Ranch?(been a while don't make fun of me if it's a stupid answer) Or the Stat Dude in the cave?

[Seal Evil]

I thought the 'C' (see) meant... 'catch'. "If you don't catch what you want,"

Oohh, it's not the Mega All materia inside the Northern Cave, where you have to catch it as you're jumping from one rock to another, is it?

[cloud21zidane16]

The Pile Banger and Master Fist from the Shinra item shop?
i think thats wrong though because on the first visit you did want them but the woman at the till stopped you:mad:

[BG-57]

Is it an ultimate weapon?

Keeping in mind that the letter C is significant, I'll guess Conformer. I think it was found in the underwater plane wreck, so it's not like you've been there before, but might as well guess.

It's not the Conformer.


Oh ok so maybe it's Cloud's Ultima weapon since his name starts with a C? If you don't see Ultima Weapon just wait until Cid's theme is playing on the world map is I think when he first appears.

Yuffie's ultimate weapon starts with a c, conformer, but that doesn't seem to fit the riddle since as soon as you get the sub you can get it, and you don't have access to the area beforehand.

Maybe since Cid starts with C, it's his ultimate weapon. I think the old guy gives it to you by the rocket. Oh yeah you have to talk to him a bunch of times so it kinda fits the riddle, and also if he gives you the Yoshiyuki, you have to wait until there's no rocket to "see," then you get the Venus Gospel.

Not the Venus Gospel.


Is it the Chocobo Ranch?(been a while don't make fun of me if it's a stupid answer) Or the Stat Dude in the cave?

Your answers are not stupid, they just aren't the correct ones.


I thought the 'C' (see) meant... 'catch'. "If you don't catch what you want,"

Oohh, it's not the Mega All materia inside the Northern Cave, where you have to catch it as you're jumping from one rock to another, is it?

Not Mega All


The Pile Banger and Master Fist from the Shinra item shop?
i think thats wrong though because on the first visit you did want them but the woman at the till stopped you:mad:

We have a winner! :D

The answer is the second floor item shop in Shinra HQ building. The first time you can go in is if you opt to do a frontal assault on the building (for those in a hurry). Both items are in chests but the sales clerk refuses to let you open them. So your second chance is in the invasion of Midgar (come back later).

Perhaps a picture would explain the C and see better than words.

Anyways, your go, cloud21zidane16! :)

[cloud21zidane16]

phew!! finally lol, okay im not sure if this is good

Since you began
Ive been held by four
But used only twice
I was once important
I can no longer be used

[Rantz]

The Keystone to the Temple of The Ancients?

Since you began
Ive been held by four
Weapon Maker, Dio, Yourself and Tseng

But used only twice
By Tseng and Yourself

I was once important
I can no longer be used
Literal.

[Darth Tjador]

i think u got it lol

[cloud21zidane16]

The Keystone to the Temple of The Ancients?

Since you began
Ive been held by four
Weapon Maker, Dio, Yourself and Tseng

But used only twice
By Tseng and Yourself

I was once important
I can no longer be used
Literal.

Got it in one;)
Your go:)

[Hyperion4444]

So, let's see the next one.

[Rantz]

Let's hope it's not as easily solved as my last one ;)

No arms I provide, no rest
I'm an option in between
I will put you to a test
in favour of the green

But I'll help you too, don't fret!
A heaven's grant might be of use
Aggregate power you will get
You haven't got much to lose!

So come on, warrior, heed the call!
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall
there is no need to fear.

The rhythm between the stanzas is a bit off but it'll do.

[Comet]

Battle Arena

[Hazzard]

Comet's answer sounds precisely around the right lines.

[Rantz]

I realize it does, but it's quite far off. :)

[Comet]

Emerald Weapon

[Hyperion4444]

Ruby Weapon

[Rantz]

Not any of the WEAPONs.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

sounds like somewhere where there isn't a shop and u can't rest, and is an optionally part of the journey. i'm gonna guess (once again!) it#s the guy in the house near gold saucer that gives you great gospel

[Rantz]

It's not the weapon maker. However, your first sentence is accurate.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Oh ok maybe it's either the forest near cosmo canyon or maybe the gelnika.

[Rantz]

Neither.

[belkor_teh_magnificent]

Oooh ooh is it the sleeping man near junon? If not...does it get you a materia? "In favour of the green" does that mean a materia, or just benefiting the world? Fort Condor, maybe? Heavens grant might also be a materia, but i think it's more summon materia. So, either a summon materia which helps the environment, or a green materia, which doesn't really. As to the last verse...Comet materia? It's found in City of the Ancients, in a room you don't have to visit, but i think it gets blocked off after Aeris dies...maybe i'm wrong, idk.

[Seal Evil]

Is it the little um... pointy hand thing you can make appear above Cloud's head?

[Rantz]

Oooh ooh is it the sleeping man near junon?
No.

"In favour of the green" does that mean a materia, or just benefiting the world?
Neither, actually ;)

Heavens grant might also be a materia, but i think it's more summon materia. So, either a summon materia which helps the environment, or a green materia, which doesn't really. As to the last verse...Comet materia? It's found in City of the Ancients, in a room you don't have to visit, but i think it gets blocked off after Aeris dies...maybe i'm wrong, idk.
"Heaven's grant" does not refer to a materia and the Comet materia is not referred to. Your speculation was good, but the riddle is a bit more literate, mostly. Only one line in the riddle is fully metaphorical.

Is it the little um... pointy hand thing you can make appear above Cloud's head?
It's not the Position Marker.

[Hazzard]

Green Beret

[Rantz]

I have never heard of anything called Green Beret in Final Fantasy VII. Either way, it's not the right answer.

[Ash Ketchum]

IT HAS TO BE KARL MALONE!

[Woodinator]

Uhh...is it the pagoda where Yuffie fights in Wutai?

[PhoenixAsh]

Fort Condor battle guy?

No arms I provide, no rest (the beds and shop are downstairs)
I'm an option in between (The ladder upstairs is literally between them)
I will put you to a test (The battles)
in favour of the green (You have to pay, or at least can)

But I'll help you too, don't fret! (You get reinforcements)
A heaven's grant might be of use (Ummm... I'm guessing a specific unit?)
Aggregate power you will get (Again the reinforcements)
You haven't got much to lose! (Well you don't)

So come on, warrior, heed the call! (It is about fighting, this may also be a clarion call reference)
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall (Not sure why thrice, but before death's peace is presumably before the Condor dies, after which you can't fight)
there is no need to fear. (You can't die in the battle?)

[Rantz]

Uhh...is it the pagoda where Yuffie fights in Wutai?
Nope.

Fort Condor battle guy?

No arms I provide, no rest (the beds and shop are downstairs)
I'm an option in between (The ladder upstairs is literally between them)
I will put you to a test (The battles)
in favour of the green (You have to pay, or at least can)

But I'll help you too, don't fret! (You get reinforcements)
A heaven's grant might be of use (Ummm... I'm guessing a specific unit?)
Aggregate power you will get (Again the reinforcements)
You haven't got much to lose! (Well you don't)

So come on, warrior, heed the call! (It is about fighting, this may also be a clarion call reference)
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall (Not sure why thrice, but before death's peace is presumably before the Condor dies, after which you can't fight)
there is no need to fear. (You can't die in the battle?)
Great reasoning, unfortunately wrong. You're thinking right about the first two lines.

[PhoenixAsh]

Oooh, is it the Kalm Traveller?

No arms I provide, no rest
I'm an option in between (He lives between the inn and the shops, if I remember correctly)
I will put you to a test (You have to find the items he wants)
in favour of the green (I think he does it so he can travel, or possibly this means he wants items rather than money)

But I'll help you too, don't fret! (He'll reward you for the items)
A heaven's grant might be of use (I guess this is the Gold Chocobo)
Aggregate power you will get (The master materias)
You haven't got much to lose! (Underwater, I guess referring to oxygen)

So come on, warrior, heed the call! (To get all the items requires fighting)
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall (It is impossible to get any of the three items before Aeris's death, or before killing Ruby, Emerald or a Ghost Ship)
there is no need to fear. (Umm...)

[Rantz]

Again, nice reasoning but no. :(
"A heaven's grant" is very literal.

[belkor_teh_magnificent]

Titan materia? In the jungle where you fight Reno and Rude?

[Rantz]

Not Titan or Titan materia.

[Darth Tjador]

o I got it is it ancient forest?

[Eiko Guy]

Aeris' hairbeadthing.

[Rantz]

No to both. Just for clarity, it is a location.

[PhoenixAsh]

I know its not my riddle, but can other people start breaking down their reasoning? That way correct lines of thinking can be identified rather than repeatedly taking stabs in the dark...

[Rantz]

I know its not my riddle, but can other people start breaking down their reasoning? That way correct lines of thinking can be identified rather than repeatedly taking stabs in the dark...
I agree. I can only comment accurately on your thoughts if I see them spelled out. Just posting one comment for each line or stanza can prove really helpful, even if one has no finished guess.

The riddle
No arms I provide, no rest
I'm an option in between
I will put you to a test
in favour of the green

But I'll help you too, don't fret!
A heaven's grant might be of use
Aggregate power you will get
You haven't got much to lose!

So come on, warrior, heed the call!
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall
there is no need to fear.

Wrong answers
Battle Arena
Any of the WEAPONs
The Weaponsmith near Gongaga
Ancient Forest
Sunken Gelnika
(The cave of) The Sleeping Man
The Position Marker (pointing hand)
Green Beret
The Pagoda in Wutai
The person in charge of the Fort Condor battles
Titan materia/summon
Aeris' "hairbeadthing" :p
Excavation Site
Gold Saucer

Hints
The answer is a location which is optional to visit.
Only one of the lines is purely metaphorical.
"A heaven's grant" is very literal.

[Darth Tjador]

i think its the digsite or golden saucer!

[Rantz]

No, neither.

[Seal Evil]

i think its the digsite or golden saucer!
Rantzien said the location is optional to visit. Visiting the Gold Saucer & Bone Village are compulsory.

Edit: Is it the Rocket Town materia shop? Where you can buy Barrier materia?

Edit #2: Um, my reason is... no arms to provide - I'm assuming is armour, as you can't buy armour there? & no rest because you can't rest in a materia shop. Um... it's optional to go in the shop & the Barrier materia is green. The heaven's grant & aggregate power makes me think it is materia. Not sure about the rest, but thrice a wall reminds me of Barrier, MBarrier & Wall.

[Comet]

Is it Tifa's room in Nibelheim?

[belkor_teh_magnificent]

I think it's the battle with Proud Clod. I'm not sure if it was optional or not, but I thought you could avoid it by going a different way (not sure). My reasoning is, you get no rest in the middle of the battle, and Heideggier(or whatever) wears green.

[Rantz]

Is it the Rocket Town materia shop? Where you can buy Barrier materia?

Edit #2: Um, my reason is... no arms to provide - I'm assuming is armour, as you can't buy armour there? & no rest because you can't rest in a materia shop. Um... it's optional to go in the shop & the Barrier materia is green. The heaven's grant & aggregate power makes me think it is materia. Not sure about the rest, but thrice a wall reminds me of Barrier, MBarrier & Wall.
It's not the Materia shop in Rocket Town. "Heaven's grant" does not refer to a materia, however, "aggregate power" does. "Thrice a wall" has nothing to do with any magic.

Is it Tifa's room in Nibelheim?
No.

I think it's the battle with Proud Clod. I'm not sure if it was optional or not, but I thought you could avoid it by going a different way (not sure). My reasoning is, you get no rest in the middle of the battle, and Heideggier(or whatever) wears green.
No, not the Proud Clod battle. The "No arms I provide, no rest" works alone as a clue, but most things don't provide arms or rest. The line is only really helpful when you follow up with the second line. Also, remember that the test mentioned is "in favour of the green". Heidegger is hardly in favour by the battle ;)

[Seal Evil]

Argh... *Pulls hair out* This is hard! *Pokes you with Guard Stick*

Aggregate power refers to materia, hmm? So, at this optional place you will get materia? Hmm... in favour of green... chocobo? Is the heaven's grant the Highwind?!

Is it the Wutai materia cave??? :eek:

[Darth Tjador]

give us another hint if its wrong!

[Hyperion4444]

Easy, it's Vincent Valentine.
Need to know why?

----repost
No arms I provide, no rest
I'm an option in between
I will put you to a test
in favour of the green

But I'll help you too, don't fret!
A heaven's grant might be of use
Aggregate power you will get
You haven't got much to lose!

So come on, warrior, heed the call!
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall
there is no need to fear.

[Seal Evil]

I don't think Vincent Valentine is a location.

[Hyperion4444]

I don't think Vincent Valentine is a location.


....ok
Vincent Valentine in his coffin.

No arms I provide, no rest - Helping hand as optional, he never sleeps in his covin
I'm an option in between - Optional Character
I will put you to a test - Ask a question
in favour of the green - Only to Barret 'if Barret is in your team, he'll ask a question

But I'll help you too, don't fret! - Ally
A heaven's grant might be of use - He's a beast
Aggregate power you will get - Get his powers
You haven't got much to lose! - More character, nothing to loose

So come on, warrior, heed the call! - Cloud, come to Vincent
Though you by coming here - Your main reason wasn't Vincent but you did came here
before death's peace build thrice a wall - behind the wall, were Vincent Lies
there is no need to fear. - He is dark and mysterious, but friendly.


So yeah, it's Vincent Valentine in his coffin.

[Seal Evil]

^ Ahhh, yeah it sounds good. Although I think mine does too. :D LOL. ...Wouldn't be surprised if they're both wrong! But what do you mean about the Barret thing relating to in favour of the green? That's the only bit I didn't understand.

[Rantz]

Argh... *Pulls hair out* This is hard! *Pokes you with Guard Stick*
*Steals Guard Stick*

Aggregate power refers to materia, hmm? So, at this optional place you will get materia? Hmm... in favour of green... chocobo? Is the heaven's grant the Highwind?!

Is it the Wutai materia cave??? :eek:
Nope. :) The heaven's grant is also not the Highwind (more literal, even), and "green" is not the Green Chocobo. Maybe look up alternate meanings of "green"?

give us another hint if its wrong!
"before death's peace build thrice a wall" is metaphorical. The rest of the lines are literal.

Easy, it's Vincent Valentine.
Not even close ;)

Vincent Valentine in his coffin.

No arms I provide, no rest - Helping hand as optional, he never sleeps in his covin
I'm an option in between - Optional Character
I will put you to a test - Ask a question
in favour of the green - Only to Barret 'if Barret is in your team, he'll ask a question

But I'll help you too, don't fret! - Ally
A heaven's grant might be of use - He's a beast
Aggregate power you will get - Get his powers
You haven't got much to lose! - More character, nothing to loose

So come on, warrior, heed the call! - Cloud, come to Vincent
Though you by coming here - Your main reason wasn't Vincent but you did came here
before death's peace build thrice a wall - behind the wall, were Vincent Lies
there is no need to fear. - He is dark and mysterious, but friendly.


So yeah, it's Vincent Valentine in his coffin.
Still not right. You're thinking far too metaphorically, except for the next to last line, where you're not being metaphorical enough.

Here's a few hints:
The word "aggregate" even tells you what materia it's referring to.
"there is no need to fear" is (arguably) the least important line, it's mostly there for rhyme and rhythm. Otherwise, basically every line and word counts for something more than it says.

[The Last Oath]

The Place where u find the Shield materia in the final dungeon

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

mideel after cloud has recovered and it had been swallowed. you can't rest there or buy any weapons or armour, but i can buy all the materia that was available at the start in midgar

[Seal Evil]

^ Ooooh... Y'know, I think you've got it!

[Rantz]

None right so far. Remember the importance of the second line.

[Hyperion4444]

No arms I provide, no rest - Helping hand as optional, he never sleeps in his covin
I'm an option in between - Optional Character
I will put you to a test - Ask a question
in favour of the green - Only to Barret 'if Barret is in your team, he'll ask a question to Barret'

But I'll help you too, don't fret! - Ally
A heaven's grant might be of use - He's a beast
Aggregate power you will get - Get his powers
You haven't got much to lose! - More character, nothing to loose

So come on, warrior, heed the call! - Cloud, come to Vincent
Though you by coming here - Your main reason wasn't Vincent but you did came here
before death's peace build thrice a wall - behind the wall, were Vincent Lies, in his coffin.
there is no need to fear. - He is dark, but friendly.


Sorry, All the lines fits in perfectly...
You just don't want to give it to me, so you try another answer just to give it to someone else.
And there's nothing metaphorical about any of my answers, beside the last line.
It's your puzzle.
Holy Materia then.

[Rantz]

Don't be stubborn, Vincent or anything related to him is simply not the right answer.

[ReloadPsi]

The White Chocobo giving the Contain Materia.

The test in favour of the green could refer to handing over some Mimett Greens in order for a chance to pet him, and I just read "aggregate" being defined as, literally, "something composed of many elements". As I recall, the correct option, "Tickle behind his ears" is in the middle of the list, an option in between. (I could be totally wrong about that)

Is this "heaven's grant" a reference to the way Materia taps into the power of the Ancients?

If this is wrong, I have an idea for another possible answer, but since the rules say one answer per checkup, I gotta wait for you.

[Rantz]

Wrong, but great reasoning. "Green" does not refer to the colour green in this case. "An option in between" talks about the physical world, although your interpretation was clever. :)

"Heaven's grant" has a very literal meaning, which has nothing to do with Materia or any divine form of heaven or metaphorical representations of it.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Does "Heaven's grant" mean grace? Not sure how to apply that, though.

[Rantz]

No. Think like this: What would happen if heaven "granted" you something?

[ReloadPsi]

Well there goes my second possible answer: The Curse Ring. (Available, and only available in Mideel when you are not playing as Cloud, approximately half way through the game, and it increases every stat for a price... which is waived by casting Death Force, muahaha.)

Oh well, time to go think some more...

And I think Great Gospel: Just look at those puddles! One heck of a grant from the heavens, that!

[Rantz]

Yeah, it's not the Curse Ring. It's also not Great Gospel, but you're starting to get near the actual meaning of "heaven's grant" ;)

[Darth Tjador]

wow this is so hard and complicated lol!!!

[PhoenixAsh]

Beginner's Hall in Sector 7?

No arms I provide, no rest
I'm an option in between (It is located on the second floor between a weapon shop and a place to sleep)
I will put you to a test (I think they ask you questions)
in favour of the green (green can mean inexperienced - either the player or the NPCs)

But I'll help you too, don't fret!
A heaven's grant might be of use (I guess this is the Ether)
Aggregate power you will get (and this is All Materia)
You haven't got much to lose! (There is no cost to come here)

So come on, warrior, heed the call! (Its a room for trainee warriors)
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall (I guess this is related to the inability to come here after the plate crash, but the thrice bit I haven't worked out)
there is no need to fear (umm...)

[Hyperion4444]

Yeah, that riddle could be anything to thoses who has alot of experience in the game.
You'll need to be more precise because more than one option could be accepted here.

Don't say I'm stubborn, you are the one at fault here.
And you don't believe me about Barret, try him out yourself.

[PhoenixAsh]

Hyperion in your analysis of the first stanza only "I will put you to a test - Ask a question" actually fits. Barret is not green, Vincent does provide arms, and being an optional character puts him nowhere between arms and rest.

In the second stanza you suggest that a heaven's grant is a beast? Vincent is anything but heavenly, unless you simply mean undead.

In the third stanza how does Vincent's situation relate to "thrice a wall"?

In short, let it go. I have no idea what the answer to this riddle is, but how about you have a go at Rantzien after you find out? Or better yet - don't.

[Rantz]

Beginner's Hall in Sector 7?

No arms I provide, no rest
I'm an option in between (It is located on the second floor between a weapon shop and a place to sleep)
I will put you to a test (I think they ask you questions)
in favour of the green (green can mean inexperienced - either the player or the NPCs)

But I'll help you too, don't fret!
A heaven's grant might be of use (I guess this is the Ether)
Aggregate power you will get (and this is All Materia)
You haven't got much to lose! (There is no cost to come here)

So come on, warrior, heed the call! (Its a room for trainee warriors)
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall (I guess this is related to the inability to come here after the plate crash, but the thrice bit I haven't worked out)
there is no need to fear (umm...)

Correct! Let me give you my full explanation:

No arms I provide, no rest
I'm an option in between
As you said, the place doesn't provide arms or rest, but directly above is a resting place, and directly below is a weapon shop, rendering the room an "option in between arms and rest".
I will put you to a test
in favour of the green
You are asked to explain the basics of the green to those who are "green", i.e. beginners.

But I'll help you too, don't fret!
A heaven's grant might be of use
At one spot, a chest containing an Ether drops down, seemingly from the sky.
Aggregate power you will get
This indeed refers to the All materia you can get. "Aggregate" is a one-word description of the kind of power the All materia gives you.
You haven't got much to lose!
Well, for one, there is really nothing to lose, except time. Moreover, this is a hint at the early point in the game. You don't have much items and the like yet.

So come on, warrior, heed the call!
"Heed the call" is a reference to the message the weapon shop man gives you via Tifa, a "call" to come there. "Warrior" is a minor hint, just a reference to how the beginners refer to you mainly as "SOLDIER".
Though you by coming here
before death's peace build thrice a wall
Remember how, in Junon, you can find another room like this? In there are the "ghosts" of the three workers found in the original Beginner's Hall. If you talk to them, they tell you something like "your explanations were so complicated I couldn't return to the planet". Therefore you "build thrice a wall before death's peace" by coming to the original Beginner's Hall.
there is no need to fear.
As I said earlier, this line is not very substantial, it's mostly an affirmation to "you haven't got much to lose", and for filling up.

Your go!

Hyperion4444, I'm sorry if you didn't enjoy the riddle, but there's no need to be rude about it. This is how I write riddles and it is as right as any other way.

[PhoenixAsh]

Cool, I had no idea about the ghosts... I remember meeting them, but missed that they were from Sector 7. I should have got this quicker, looking back its actually perfectly solvable from the first stanza :)

I'm gonna pass this onto whoever wants it, as unfortunately I probably won't have time to maintain a riddle for quite a while. I also think after my last one, that its probably best I don't set any for a few months :D

That said, if noone steps up I'll try and come up with something.

[ReloadPsi]

Yeah, that riddle could be anything to thoses who has alot of experience in the game.
You'll need to be more precise because more than one option could be accepted here.

Don't say I'm stubborn, you are the one at fault here.
And you don't believe me about Barret, try him out yourself.

Stop trolling, go away, quit being annoying. I'm glad I didn't act this way when I answered "Fury Brand" when the answer was "HP<->MP Materia" despite perfectly matching up to the riddle.

[Seal Evil]

Well done, Phoenix! I'm glad someone finally got it. :D What is weird though, is I thought that if I eventually guessed Rantzien's one correctly, I was gonna do a riddle about the Beginner's Hall. :| Lol.


Cool, I had no idea about the ghosts...
Neither did I. I'm not sure if I can remember anything like that. Must check that out next time I play!


I'm gonna pass this onto whoever wants it
I wouldn't mind if Rantzien does another one! :p

[Rantz]

I wouldn't mind if Rantzien does another one! :p
Thanks, but I'll pass. :) My riddles tend to take time, and I don't want to occupy the threads too much.

[Seal Evil]

OK, well PhoenixAsh, I will take it. :D

This is my first one, so it could be easy! & I tried to make it rhyme but then... well I didn't. Lol.

Your party can bump into me.
Well, maybe just me, or two, or three.
You can deceive, but I'll still give you a hand.
Or do you deserve a slap?

Haha, ahhh that sounds so silly when I read it.

[ReloadPsi]

Ghosts in the train graveyard. You can steal Ghost Hands from them, they appear in groups of up to three, and they attack by slapping you.

[Seal Evil]

:( Too easy, lol.

Your turn. :D

[ReloadPsi]

Whoa, didn't expect it to be that! Here goes...

I may well be just what you need
I'd love to bring you up to speed
Curiosity's killing the cat you say?
Then kindly turn the other way!
The price is high no matter what
But come and get it while it's hot
Else hold on until you are nine;
Fortitude equally divine
Shan't blame you if you wish to wait
But look, eighteen plus fifty-eight?
When time's a factor you will see
You will come running back for me

[Hyperion4444]

Gold Saucer.



Yeah, that riddle could be anything to thoses who has alot of experience in the game.
You'll need to be more precise because more than one option could be accepted here.

Don't say I'm stubborn, you are the one at fault here.
And you don't believe me about Barret, try him out yourself.

Stop trolling, go away, quit being annoying. I'm glad I didn't act this way when I answered "Fury Brand" when the answer was "HP<->MP Materia" despite perfectly matching up to the riddle.

Sorry if I was rude...
it's just last time I had to guess a riddle, 'in ffviii', the monster was SAM08 or whatever you call it, people tryed to guess it for months after I called it. I had it rigth, but the riddle said it was immuned to poison, becauce all robots usually are, but that one was an hybrid 'cyborg' and poison did affect it.

So, yeah, he was at fault with his riddle, even if I was the one to get it... still feels bad.

[ReloadPsi]

Not the Gold Saucer.

Little hint: The actual answer is only lightly touched on. Everything else in the riddle leads to it... in no particular order.

[Hyperion4444]

Cait Sith?

[Darth Tjador]

yuffie?maybe....hmmmm....

[ReloadPsi]

Cait Sith isn't the actual answer, but he is mentioned somewhere in the riddle. He's instrumental in leading to the answer.

[Darth Tjador]

another hint plzzzz

[ReloadPsi]

No, it's not time for another hint yet. I think there's something else in the riddle that virtually gives it away anyway.

[Woodinator]

umm is it Cait Sith's Dice limit break?

[Darth Tjador]

is it cid when u first meet him

[ReloadPsi]

It isn't the Dice Limit Break, though meeting Cid is (technically) mentioned in the riddle. However, it's not relevant, as it refers to the alternative to what the answer actually is.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

I may well be just what you need
I'd love to bring you up to speed
Curiosity's killing the cat you say?
Cait Sith sacrificing himself for the black materia.


Then kindly turn the other way!
The price is high no matter what
They had to sacrifice someone to get it.


But come and get it while it's hot
Else hold on until you are nine;
After Cid joins you.


Fortitude equally divine
Shan't blame you if you wish to wait
But look, eighteen plus fifty-eight?
Does this have to do with the big clock?


When time's a factor you will see
You will come running back for me

Hmm, Cid joining your party is a big tipoff, so it sounds like either Temple of the Ancients, or Black Materia, or the Keystone. Or it might have something to do with Wutai.

[ReloadPsi]

"Curiosity killing the cat" doesn't refer to Cait Sith sacrificing himself, but actually refers to the famous idiom; in this case it relates to Cait Sith's curiosity getting to him.

"Else hold on until you are nine" does refer to Cid joining the party, so you wanna look for something that can be done before Cid joins.

[Hyperion4444]

nine characters, getting the 2 unlockables.

[Darth Tjador]

now is it time for another hint??

[ReloadPsi]

I really wouldn't mind seeing more guesses.

[Woodinator]

I may well be just what you need
I'd love to bring you up to speed
Curiosity's killing the cat you say?


I'm guessing that refers to Cait Sith joining your party because of his curiosity of the fortune he gives cloud... but I can't connect it with anything so bah!!! ><;

[ReloadPsi]

What else does Cait Sith bring to the party and how can you use it?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

he brings a transform materia with him and another materia too i think. i can't remember the armour he has, is it a silver bangle?

[Seal Evil]

he brings a transform materia with him and another materia too i think. i can't remember the armour he has, is it a silver bangle?
I think it is a silver bangle, yeah. & the other materia he is equipped with is Manipulate.

But... I can't even guess this one! It's harder than Rantzien's.

[Seal Evil]

Sorry for double posting but when I click 'Save' after editing... it takes ages to load, like it's stuck or something. Piece of poo.

So anyways, it's not the buggy is it? I tried to explain my reasons... but then... well some of them didn't fit. But I'm still gonna guess the buggy. :D

[demondude]

That guy who controls cait sith But I can't remember his name at the moment.

[Seal Evil]

That guy who controls cait sith But I can't remember his name at the moment.
Reeve.

[Gennosuke]

Reeve is his name.

[ReloadPsi]

I think it is a silver bangle, yeah. & the other materia he is equipped with is Manipulate.

Play with that last thought some more, along with "Then kindly turn the other way".

It's not Reeve, nor is it the buggy.

[Seal Evil]

I think it is a silver bangle, yeah. & the other materia he is equipped with is Manipulate.

Play with that last thought some more, along with "Then kindly turn the other way".
Hmm, is it... the Megaphone in the Shinra Building? ...The one that Cloud doesn't pick up because he says it "won't be much use" or something.

[Darth Tjador]

That guy who controls cait sith But I can't remember his name at the moment.
ya its reeve.and reload psi i thinks its the megaphone 2

[Woodinator]

ok..manipulate makes sense...because it takes control of enemies...making them turn the other way...

[Woodinator]

Ok, i'm guessing it's ghost ship, guidebook, or underwater materia... since they're all related very closely and fit... since you use transform on ghost ship to get the guidebook which you trade for underwater materia

I may well be just what you need
I'd love to bring you up to speed
Curiosity's killing the cat you say?
(Cait Sith comes with transform materia)

Then kindly turn the other way!
(manipulate materia?)

The price is high no matter what
But come and get it while it's hot
Else hold on until you are nine;
(not sure if you have cid when you first use submarine now that i think about it...)

Fortitude equally divine
Shan't blame you if you wish to wait
But look, eighteen plus fifty-eight?
When time's a factor you will see
You will come running back for me
(Time is a factor when you don't have underwater materia when fighting emerald weapon...because you can't breath underwater XD)

[ReloadPsi]

"Turn the other way" isn't quite as literal as the effect of Manipulate, but you're on the right track that Manipulate's needed here.

Protip: All this stuff about "running back" and "turn the other way" means backtracking. I'm hoping this is the last big hint I'll really need to give, now start translating the other lines :P

[Darth Tjador]

so are the other lines correct or are they not for him. and turn the other way hmmmmm....dose it mean leave the cat and just keep on going?

[~Death~Stalker~910]

i say kill tha cat an use tha body 2 take over tha WORLD MWHAHAHA

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the white wind enemy skill? the only way u can get it is to use manipulate on the enemies outside mithril mine, which means going back after getting the materia

[Seal Evil]

the only way u can get it is to use manipulate on the enemies outside mithril mine
I'm almost positive you can also get it from those flying dragon things in the Whirlwind Maze, before the Reunion.

Edit: Yeah, you can. (I took this from here (http://www.eyesonff.com/ff7/enemyskill.php).)

White Wind
Learn from: Zemzelett (Junon area), Wind Wing (Whirlwind Maze)
Manipulate: Yes
Description: Cures Berserk, Confusion, Darkness, Death Force, Frog, Manipulate, Mini, Paralysed, Petrify, Poison, Resist, Silence, Sleep, Slow, Slow-Numb, Stop (100%) and restores HP
Power: Caster’s current HP
Targets: All allies
MP Cost: 34 MP
Max. Damage: N/A
Notes: Restorative elemental

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

my mistake :D although the back tracking tghing would be easier. i was gonna say big guard but i think u can get them from something later in the game too.

what the hell! i'll guess big guard as well ;) (btw, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!!! :D:D:D)

[ReloadPsi]

my mistake :D although the back tracking tghing would be easier. i was gonna say big guard but i think u can get them from something later in the game too.

what the hell! i'll guess big guard as well ;) (btw, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!!! :D:D:D)

A winner is you!

"Bring you up to speed" refers to the Haste effect, "Fortitude equally divine" means you can otherwise get the Barrier Materia once you've been to Rocket Town (Time is in Gongaga, and if you miss it, it's in Rocket Town right next to Barrier), and "Eighteen plus fifty eight?" refers to the individual costs of casting Haste and Wall repsectively.

P.S. I'm gonna be ultra pedantic and mention that there's no way to learn White Wind off the Wing Wing, as you can't Manipulate them and I believe it's unaffected by Reflect.

d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x, you're up. You happy birthday!!

[Seal Evil]

Aww, well done, d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x. Happy Birthday, too! :D *Gives you a slice of very nice cake*

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

mmm i love cake! ;) thnx guys

this meal looks scrumptious
but overfacing too
and i did eat earlier
so a bitesize meal should do

i have a feeling this will be easy bt ive only been up 10 mins :D

[Dragon Mage]

something to do with the pharmacy?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

or the restaurant in wall market?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope and nope. a couple more guesses and i'll drop a hint

[ReloadPsi]

Those monsters named Hungry near the City of the Ancients (and occasionally in the Great Glacier); the ones that cast Mini and then eat you, and if you ever meet three of them in a pincer attack you're totally screwed unless you're guarded against Mini.

[Seal Evil]

^ Ooh good one!

But if it's not that... then I'm guessing the room in Cosmo Canyon... where that guy is cooking. I think Cait Sith's eating in there or something. ???

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

reloadpsi gets it, its the hungry enemy. and the reasoning is pretty obvious so i wont bother explaining it.

ur turn reloadpsi!

[ReloadPsi]

Um... right, here goes. This might be a difficult one :)

*EDITED OUT WHILE I REWRITE A BIT BETTER, PLEASE STAND BY, K*

Okay here goes!

Your heroes cannot hear me
They cannot even perceive me
But you can
Further into the heat of the moment
As you fight for your life
I'll still be around a little more
I've had many names
You've read many names
Or maybe just one, it depends on the tongue

[BG-57]

Limit Breaks?

[ReloadPsi]

Little hint: This riddle breaks the fourth wall in a big way.

[Seal Evil]

...So depending on what language you speak, the answer to this riddle could have different names?

[BG-57]

So it's something we'd notice as players but the characters themselves wouldn't?

Further into the heat of the moment and As you fight for your life sound like references to battle.

Is it the victory fanfare music?

[ReloadPsi]

...So depending on what language you speak, the answer to this riddle could have different names?

Technically, but there's only really two languages involved.

I think BG's on the right track already.

[BG-57]

Most likely Japanese and English. But I really don't know the Japanese names for most things, unless they are direct transliterations.

I've had many names would suggest something that has appeared in several FF installments, although it's remotely possible that it's something that appears only in FFVII and is referrred to by different names in either English or Japanese.

Continuing with the musical theme, is it the FF opening music? It's known as Prelude in FFVII and The Loser in FFVIII although it's essentially the same tune.

[Hyperion4444]

Is it Sephiroth and Cloud at the temple when Cloud trys to not give the black materia away?

[ReloadPsi]

something that appears only in FFVII and is referrred to by different names in either English or Japanese.

Getting warmer, but it ain't the prelude: remember we're talking heat of the moment here.

It's also not the scene with Cloud handing over the Black Materia, though when you consider the tune's title it is kinda relevant. Well called, Hyperion.

[BG-57]

I'm inclined to guess some sort of battle theme.

Is it The Makou Cannon is Fired? The cannon is also called the Sister Ray.

[ReloadPsi]

I'm inclined to guess some sort of battle theme.

Is it The Makou Cannon is Fired? The cannon is also called the Sister Ray.

It's not "The Makou Cannon Is Fired", but what you're saying brings your total possible answers down to about seven :)

[BG-57]

With my luck it's going to be the seventh guess that's the right one. :p

Is it J-E-N-O-V-A?

[ReloadPsi]

Nope.

Take a closer look at the wording of the riddle if you wanna guess it quicker.

[BG-57]

I'll work around the endgame.

Is it A One-Winged Angel?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

welcome to reloadpsi's riddle for BG :D

REPOST:

Your heroes cannot hear me
They cannot even perceive me
But you can
Further into the heat of the moment
As you fight for your life
I'll still be around a little more
I've had many names
You've read many names
Or maybe just one, it depends on the tongue

the "fight for your life" and "heat of the moment" makes me think it might just be the battle theme?

[ReloadPsi]

Sorry for the delay guys!

It's neither of those :P

[BG-57]

Is it The Birth of God?

[ReloadPsi]

It's not. When I said look closely at the wording I meant it very literally :P

[BG-57]

Hmm. :plotting:

If it's anagram or hidden code I'm hopeless at that sort of thing. I can't find any letters that were given special emphasis and the capital letters spell out Y T B F A I I Y O, which doesn't mean anything to me.

The first six lines would fit with almost any battle theme I can think of. I don't understand exactly what the last three lines mean though. It could be translation issues, like Basilisk phonetically rendered into Japanese and then back into English as Bagrisk for the monster and Vagrisk Claw for the item that the monster sometimes drops. That sort of thing?

Anyways, I'm going to guess by elimination for now. Is it Jenova Absolute?

[ReloadPsi]

I have a funny feeling that when you guess the correct answer it is gonna be the last available.

The title is split up and placed into the riddle's words, kind of, but either way I think I'm gonna make sure you get the next riddle anyway, regardless of who guesses it, for all your hard work :)

[BG-57]

Is it You Can Hear the Cry of the Planet?

[ReloadPsi]

...no, it's not.

Further into the heat of the moment
As you fight for your life
I'll still be around a little more

[BG-57]

Well, it was worth a shot, since many of the words in that title show up in the riddle.

Is it Still More Fighting?

[ReloadPsi]

Indeed.

"Sara ni tatakau monotachi" has been unofficially translated with many names since the soundtrack's release, simply because Square never gave the tracks English names themselves. "Still More Fighting" was apparently the most popular choice along with "Again the People Fight" which is a more literal translation, and similar names given to fan versions like "Fight On" at Overclocked Remix (which by the way is awesome, go listen to it if you ain't already), and Babelfish's hilarious "Furthermore Fighting ni People".

They were all way off: When "The Black Mages" was released, it was confirmed as "Those Who Fight Further".

What I'm getting at is that "Sara ni tatakau monotachi" is its only name in a certain tongue (Japanese) but has gone by like a zillion names in English. As for the wording of the riddle, I made sure to include the words "fight", "still", "further" and so on.

Thought it'd be nice to do a riddle based on what is far and away my favourite piece of video game music of all time.

Anyways BG-57, it's your turn.

[BG-57]

Wow. :eek:

I would have never guessed that, except by elimination. It reminds of the Triple Triad riddle where I just listed every card that hadn't been guessed and then tried one after another. Someone else got the answer, but I managed to lay the groundwork at least. :p

Here we go:

Follow the breadcrumbs
Into the deep dark woods
Not to grandma's house
But some well deserved R&R

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

the "follow the breadcrumbs" and "some well deserved R&R" make me think of the variety of things u have tod o in wall market to get to the honey bee inn. soo i'm gonna guess it'sw the wal mart mini-mission?

[BG-57]

It's nothing to do with Wall Market.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is it the path u have to travel from bone village to the city of the ancients (the anciednt forest i guess)

Follow the breadcrumbs --> to find the harp u have to use the staff of bone village
Into the deep dark woods --> ancient forest
Not to grandma's house
But some well deserved R&R --> after a long trip u rest in the house at the city of the ancients but its somewhere uver never been before so it's not somewhere u recognise (e.g grannys house)

[Seal Evil]

^ Ooh, that's a good guess!

I can't believe how rubbish I am at these.

[BG-57]

Indeed it is a good guess, but sadly not the correct one.

You're using the right approach with line 2.

[john151]

Exsuse me but what are you talking about so can you teal me please.

[BG-57]

Welcome aboard to EoFF! :)


Riddle Threads 101

These riddle threads are essentially the same in every forum:

1) A riddle is posted, relating somehow to the game (in this case FFVII).

2) Everyone else tries to guess what the riddle is about, be it person, place, or thing.

3) The riddle poster generally provides feedback (at the very least whether guesses are correct or incorrect). Hints are sometimes provided by the poster, but it's not required.

4) The first person to correctly solve the riddle gets the option to post their own riddle. If they refuse to, then the next riddle can be posted by anyone on a first-come first-served basis. Which leads you back to step 1).

It's very important to know that only one riddle is allowed to be posted and solved at a time. If the poster is being slow with feedback you can amuse yourself with side riddles, but they are not part of the riddle chain in any way shape or form.

Right now the riddle is mine since I sucessfully solved the last one by ReloadPsi.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

if the 2nd line is the ancient forest then it stands to reason that the 1st line is something that occurs before it. i'm gonna guess thats clouds dreams which lead him there. i can't think of a situation that fits the 3rd line, is it meant to be literally translated? i.e. one of ur party has a grandma but it's not her place ur going to?

[BG-57]

I should clarify:

Line 2 is not referring to the Ancient forest, but a forest is involved.

Line 3 is not meant to be read literally.

[Levian]

R&R means Rest and Relaxation or something?

Follow the breadcrumbs --> the balloons in the snowboard track, or just the snowboard track itself, you have to follow it.
Into the deep dark woods --> there's a forest at the end of the track
Not to grandma's house
But some well deserved R&R --> They faint and wake up in a cabin

[BG-57]

Normally yes. But in this case they stand for two other words that start with the letter R.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

is "R&R" supposed to be translated literally then? so you go somewhere where you obtain 2 items both beginning with "R"?

[BG-57]

Basically yes. There is only one item to get but R&R are related.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

the first thing that springs to mind would be an item composed of 2 words which both begin with R. off the top of my head the only thing i can think of is Yuffie's "Razor ring" weapon from wutai. although i'm not sure how that fits in with a forest? maybe the forest yo can see in Wutai on your way to the da chao statue? just throwing ideas in here! :D

REPOST:
Follow the breadcrumbs
Into the deep dark woods
Not to grandma's house
But some well deserved R&R

[BG-57]

It's not related to Yuffie or Wutai.

R&R is not the name of the item, just the way to get it.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

can i ask whatr answer you're looking for here? i.e. and item, a person, a place?

maybe the woods are the forest surrounding gongaga and the R&R would be rude and reno who you encounter there. not sure how that ties in with breadcumbs and grandma, maybe Zack's parents?

[ReloadPsi]

If we're passing through a forest, getting some well deserved R&R, following breadcrumbs but not to grandma's house...

Either way that sounds an awful lot like a Fairy Tale, dropped after the battle with Reno and Rude (R&R), a well deserved act of retribution for what you did in Sector 7.

Dude... that's pretty clever.

[BG-57]

You are correct, ReloadPsi! :D

Although d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x deserves a :cookie: for his excellent groundwork.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

damnit! i was trying so hard this time too :D

nm, i'll jus have to get reloadpsi's riddle right ;)

[ReloadPsi]

And seeing as my access to the net is a bit limited until Thursday and I don't have time to think of a riddle, I'll relinquish this one to d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x for, as you put it, fleshing out the groundwork. Go ahead!

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

groovy! ;) thnx man!

an obvious and large presence
though i get bigger the more you take away
unknown is the creation, from above of down below
my secret's guarded by a great envy

[Darth Tjador]

is it jenova?

[BG-57]

Line 2 makes me think of Bombs, so that'll be my guess. I like those monsters, although it's not very obvious. ;)

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

not jenova or bombs, though i can see where you're both coming from.

it is something very vague, so i'm gonna drop a hint now.

it's something you've probably seen a LOT but just thought nothing of it

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

sry for double post but i think this will be the only way people will be alerted this thrwad has changed

lack of activity makes me think ur stuck so i'll drop another hint

the last line is a metaphor, this object is not guarded by someone for reasons of envy . . .

[BG-57]

It it something green colored? People who are envious are often described as being green with envy.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

correct, but the green thing isn't the answer, it is something close by to the answer. not much fruther now

[Seal Evil]

The green grass you walk on (world map) springs to my mind, but it's probably wrong, lol.

an obvious and large presence - It's pretty much everywhere.
though i get bigger the more you take away - Um, I'm thinking that... the further you get in the game, the more places you visit.
unknown is the creation, from above of down below - It's down below, but it's above the sea, which you also visit.
my secret's guarded by a great envy - I'm not sure about this one!

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

nope not the grass sorry, i guess i'll drop another hint

the second line is actually a time-old riddle in the real world. ask someone if they know the answer and you'll probably find the answer to this riddle

[ReloadPsi]

Well something that gets bigger the more you take away is a hole...

Is it the Northern Crater? It seems to fit the rest of the riddle.

[BG-57]

Repost:

an obvious and large presence
though i get bigger the more you take away
unknown is the creation, from above of down below
my secret's guarded by a great envy

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

yes the answer to the riddle is a hole, but not the northern crater.

remember what BG said about being green with envy . . . .

[Gennosuke]

Is it the Ancient Forest, the place you get the Apocalypse sword, Ultima Weapon creates a Hole there after you defeat him, thus granting you access to the forest without a green Chocobo?

[BG-57]

Oh!

Is it the underwater crater that Emerald Weapon likes to hang around in? It's never explained what caused it.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

and BG gets it! nice job guys! i'll fill in the gaps

an obvious and large presence --> it's a really big hole! :D
though i get bigger the more you take away --> holes get bigger as you take more out of them
unknown is the creation, from above of down below --> we never learn why the hole is there, it just is
my secret's guarded by a great envy--> emerald weapon (green with envy) hangs round the hole as BG said.

GJ dude! ur move

[BG-57]

Thanks. :)

Counted among the blessed
And deserving of a medal
Gives you good vibrations
And music for night viewing

[Gennosuke]

I thought id start the guessing, a random 1 at that though, the lunar harp?

[BG-57]

Good guess, but no.

[Aerith's Knight]

music box?

[BG-57]

It's not the music box.

[leader of mortals]

earth drum?

[BG-57]

You almost have it!

Counted among the blessed
And deserving of a medal
Gives you good vibrations (Earth Drum)
And music for night viewing

[Aerith's Knight]

im having the hardest time placing the earth drum

[leader of mortals]

Emerald Weapon???:confused:

[BG-57]

im having the hardest time placing the earth drum

It's an item that causes Quake.


Emerald Weapon???:confused:

It's not Emerald.

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

REPOST:

Counted among the blessed
And deserving of a medal
Gives you good vibrations (Earth Drum)
And music for night viewing

wrong guess:
lunar harp
music box
emerald weapon

is it titan? it's a summon (blessed), has a similar effect to earth drum and can only be used in battle, which has awesome music! :D

[BG-57]

Good guess, but it's not Titan.

[Sephitachi7]

After some research (I know I know lol I couldn't figure it out just w/ my knowledge) I found out it's christopher that you fight in Northern Crater. You can steal earth drum from him(Gives you good vibrations) and you can learn Frog Song (And music for night viewing)

[BG-57]

You are correct, although Frog Song is not one of the hints.

Counted among the blessed (Saint Christopher has the same name)
And deserving of a medal (There's a Saint Christopher medal)
Gives you good vibrations (Earth Drum)
And music for night viewing (Stardust March is one of his attacks)

Your go, Sephitachi7! :)

[Sephitachi7]

Hmm. Not sure if this one has been done before but.... here it goes.

Before a great sight,
great wisdom has granted you this gift.
1/2 dinosaur, 1/2 steel,
A great aid when your friends are in trouble.

[BG-57]

Bone Village?

[d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x]

Is it bahamut?

Before a great sight,
great wisdom has granted you this gift. --> u get it from temple of the ancients, which holds a lot of knowledge
1/2 dinosaur, 1/2 steel, --> it's a dragon (dinosaur) but has a metallic look to it
A great aid when your friends are in trouble. --> a kick ass summon! XD

[Sephitachi7]

Sorry lol not Bahamut or bone village hehe