• Opinion: Final Fantasy XV is a Bro Fest and I’m Okay With That


    As we've heard, Final Fantasy XV will have an all-male party. Some people have taken offense to this. Although on my own reflection of this news, that doesn’t seem to bother me. Here, in convenient list form, is why.

    It appears to be a deliberate decision made with full awareness of the implications.

    Final Fantasy XV’s main cast is all male, and it was a conscious decision made by both of the game’s directors. Despite this, Director Hajime Tabata admits that “it’s not healthy to have a bias in genders.”

    Tabata said, “The party members being all men was something that [former director] Tetsuya Nomura had kept as a very important element of this journey. He wanted to depict a story in which a group of men, a group of friends, journey throughout the world. So that’s something that I kept inVFinal Fantasy XC.”
    This is important. Contrary to Gamergate propaganda, there are no evil women who want to censor games. Not me, not Anita Sarkeesian, not Zoe Quinn. We just want developers to think about what they’re doing and not auto-fill their games with generic straight, white male characters. If Tabata and Nomura want to make a male-bonding car adventure, that’s cool with me.

    They are not our characters.

    My preference for self-created characters isn’t something I’m quiet about. Outside of the MMO offerings, I’ve never felt that any Final Fantasy character was mine. They’re not even existing characters put in your care, like Geralt in The Witcher. You may be able to choose their gear and skills, but you have very little control over their actions. In a typical FF game, you may as well be watching a movie for all the agency you have when it comes to the behaviour of the characters. I’ve said before that I have no problem with well-developed, well-written male characters. I just don’t like grunting bald bloke with no personality, especially in RPGs. I have no expectation of character control in a Final Fantasy game, why should this one be any different?

    The playable party is not the whole cast.

    Okay, the party is going to be made up of guys. I don’t believe for a second that there won’t be plenty of female NPCs.

    I can give Square-Enix the benefit of the doubt.

    Final Fantasy games usually have a diverse, generally well-written cast. Previous titles in the series have included female protagonists or entirely female parties. This isn’t Piranha Bytes doing another game in which women are treated like poo or entirely absent. When a developer decides to go with an all-male party after decades of decent representation, I’m happy to give them a pass.

    Now, this single piece of news doesn’t really say much about gender in FFXV. It could be horribly misogynist, it could have the greatest female characters of all time. We don’t know. Either way, I’m happy to wait for the game to find out for myself.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Opinion: Final Fantasy XV is a Bro Fest and I’m Okay With That started by Caelyn View original post
    Comments 49 Comments
    1. Freya's Avatar
      Freya -
      OKAY GUYS: THIS IS A GUEST ARTICLE POST. Don't be jerk butts. If you disagree with her opinion be civil as it is an opinion piece. Any debate about "gamergate" that she brought up, take it to EoEO. This is for opinions on the all male playable characters outside of just the news piece.
    1. Mirage's Avatar
      Mirage -
      Can i be a buttjerk though?

      I don't have a problem with a game choosing to specifically focus on a group of guys. I just hope it doesn't get too bro because that's actually pretty boring .

      Is this guest author going to stick around?!

      I also hope one of the party members turns out to be homosexual. You have the perfect game for something like that now, SE!
    1. Freya's Avatar
      Freya -
      WE HOPE!
    1. Hannibal_Khan's Avatar
      Hannibal_Khan -
      We have no choice in the matter. We can hate them or love them, but this is only FFXV were gonna get. The game looks beautiful, but in my opinion the lack of diversity in the party will hurt the story. There may be a serious love interest in this game(all good stories need one) but i doubt it will draw ppl into the story the way Aerith or Garnet did. #TooManyDicks

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wl_uQOABxg
    1. Colonel Angus's Avatar
      Colonel Angus -
      Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
      WE HOPE!
      You hope one of the characters is gay or that she sticks around?
    1. Freya's Avatar
      Freya -
      Yeah, with the news about Luna being different than stella and them previously saying stella would be a strong female, i'm not too terribly worried about the lack of female representation

      Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Angus View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
      WE HOPE!
      You hope one of the characters is gay or that she sticks around?
      a bit of both
    1. Caelyn's Avatar
      Caelyn -
      Hello, Eyes on FF folk! The lovely Freya came across my blog, we got chatting about the piece and I said that I'd be happy for it to be reproduced here. I'm going to hang around for a bit, answer any questions you guys have and see if I think there's anything I could write specifically for the community here.
    1. Freya's Avatar
      Freya -
      Check out our contributor subforum if you'd like to learn more!

      I am kinda looking forward to a brofesty honestly. My favorite part of mass effect was the friendship with garrus. If we have a similar friendship type thing represented but with a whole group, okay with that.
    1. Lone Wolf Leonhart's Avatar
      Lone Wolf Leonhart -
      Better to have a story full of guys and have it fit the narrative than shoehorn a female in there for the sake of having a female, then having people complain "uuhhh she doesn't really fit".

      I'm cool with the bro fest
    1. Fynn's Avatar
      Fynn -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
      Can i be a buttjerk though?

      I don't have a problem with a game choosing to specifically focus on a group of guys. I just hope it doesn't get too bro because that's actually pretty boring .

      Is this guest author going to stick around?!

      I also hope one of the party members turns out to be homosexual. You have the perfect game for something like that now, SE!
      You're making me ship Gladio and Prompto so hard, Mirage!
    1. FFFFsephychibi's Avatar
      FFFFsephychibi -
      Cool, I'm down with caelyn's opinion. Glad someone feels the same way Good points.
    1. Jessweeee♪'s Avatar
      Jessweeee♪ -
      I won't know until I see how it's done. Bro-Fest doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, I feel pretty much the same as Mirage on the subject. If they're all super bro just having a bro time well I feel like we'll have a lame trip. Undoubtedly I'll buy it on day one even if it looks hopeless because when it comes to Final Fantasy I have a serious problem.
    1. Bolivar's Avatar
      Bolivar -
      I don't take moral issue with the cast, although I think there's an argument to be made there, it's more along the lines of when Final Fantasy XII stripped away many series conventions and just did not feel like a main entry. It was a great game, as XV likely will be, but there's a point where reinventing the series erodes the significance of the name. I just enjoy video games with diverse casts and I prefer my favorite series to accommodate that.

      Also, Gamergate wasn't about censorship. Gamergate was about a Kotaku journalist providing game coverage in exchange for sex. I read the disclaimer but it lacks integrity to have an outsider take pot shots to sensationalize a guest article, then only allow actual members to call them out on it in a separate venue, where it can't be seen next to the actual article.
    1. Freya's Avatar
      Freya -
      I put it there more because the EoEO thread Misogyny in Gaming was recently closed as it got too heated and some were rude. The topic does get heated and the FF subforum isn't the place for that heat, EoEO would be but last time it caused itself to get closed. While she mentions it, the point of the article wasn't that. It was how it's okay to have an all male cast. Omitting that part completely would, I think, dilute the opinion of our guest author. I don't think it'd be fair to invite someone over to post it and then heavily edit and omit things just because we get heated here. So I advised people to talk about the opinion itself and to take that part to a serious discussion area. Not to not discuss it, just not here.

      That's all.

      Although that's just my editor disclaimer as I brought her in. Feel free to actually discuss it, just try not to get super heated about it. Be respectful to our guest is all I ask
    1. Caelyn's Avatar
      Caelyn -
      To be fair, this piece probably wouldn't have existed if Gamergate hadn't happened. I've been writing a lot about inclusiveness in game over the past couple of weeks, because it's been a big topic. I felt that the news that the latest Final Fantasy, a generally diverse franchise with some excellent female leads and supporting characters, was going to centre around an all-male party was particularly interesting when the timing was considered.

      One of the popular ideas pushed in recent weeks is that critique somehow equals censorship. It's a pretty ridiculous notion; if it were even vaguely true, we wouldn't have any entertainment media left by now. Another one is the idea that people are calling for some kind of mandatory diversity check list. Again, it's utterly untrue.

      I was surprised when I read about FFXV's cast, and also disappointed. I can't say that I wouldn't prefer a more diverse party. However, I wasn't bothered by it on a pro-diversity level. When I realised that, I had to spend some time thinking about why that was the case and I felt that writing it down was worthwhile. I feel that there has been a lot of negativity over the past few weeks and I tend towards negativity in my own writing sometimes, so I wrote something with a more positive spin.
    1. Depression Moon's Avatar
      Depression Moon -
      I'm not disappointed. I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened sooner/ in the span of over 20 years of a bunch of people coming together to save the world, not one of those times it was done by a group solely composed of males, there was always a decent man to woman ratio?
    1. Mirage's Avatar
      Mirage -
      Not always. 3 females out of what, 16 in total isn't a decent ratio
    1. Hannibal_Khan's Avatar
      Hannibal_Khan -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
      Not always. 3 females out of what, 16 in total isn't a decent ratio
      Who's the three? I dont mind FFXV not having black dudes tho, w/ sazh they proved they don't write well for black characters. Although we should not be surprised by this, Japan has almost zero black ppl and they don't want that to change(their immigration policies would imply as much).
    1. Mirage's Avatar
      Mirage -
      Terra Relm Celes.
    1. Depression Moon's Avatar
      Depression Moon -
      Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal_Khan View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
      Not always. 3 females out of what, 16 in total isn't a decent ratio
      Who's the three? I dont mind FFXV not having black dudes tho, w/ sazh they proved they don't write well for black characters. Although we should not be surprised by this, Japan has almost zero black ppl and they don't want that to change(their immigration policies would imply as much).
      They don't have many white people over there either, but JRPGs always seem to have them.
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