• 5 Concerns About the Final Fantasy VII Remake Announcement

    5 Concerns About the Final Fantasy VII Remake Announcement

    It finally happened. Square Enix have dropped us the bombshell of the decade – Final Fantasy VII is being remade for the PS4 with a sleek graphical makeover. Fans have been shouting, wailing, begging SE to do it for years and their prayers have finally been answered. Now don’t get us wrong – we're just as excited to finally get confirmation on this as the next guy, but ever since the announcement was made and we got a glimpse of what the game is intended to look, we’ve had certain… concerns. Of course, considering how large the FF fanbase is, and how beloved a game FFVII is, it goes without saying that not everyone will be satisfied with the final outcome. Here are some things we feel may happen in this remake that will make most fans angry.

    5. The game will play differently



    The gaming industry has undergone substantial changes over the years. What was acceptable by the gaming public at large in 1997 when FFVII originally came out may not be as hotly anticipated nowadays. Turn-based combat is one such element that used to sit pretty well with everyone back in the day, but now attracts so much scrutiny that we really think SE might be thinking of changing the combat in Final Fantasy VII. Many fans of the original adore the old school ATB system, but if the company decides pandering to the nostalgia of long-time fans is not enough, they will probably opt to attract a new crowd using a system that is considered much less dated. So, it’s likely that we’ll get an action RPG much like the upcoming FFXV or the recently released Type-0 HD. Other options include real-time/turn-based hybrids like FFXIII. Though at this point only time will tell what changes will be made to the gameplay, if any. Hopefully, we’ll at least get to play around with the materia system, even if in the end it turns out the only character we get to directly control is Cloud. Speaking of changes…

    4. You know the tone won’t be the same



    As many EoFFers have already pointed out, Final Fantasy VII had its fair share of bizarre scenes. And we remember them fondly – all the weird squats we made Cloud do, the infamous Honeybee Inn sidequest, and even Barret and Tifa’s hilarious banter when climbing the Shinra building. Now let’s try to remember Advent Children. It was nothing but dead, gray, joyless brooding. It appears as if at a certain point the creators just forgot that on top of having a story that’s trying to be more serious and deep, Final Fantasy VII was really quirky and fun. It's very likely that the tone we got served in that movie and other entries in the dreaded Compilation is what the creators might stick to for this remake. Now that we're at Advent Children

    3. The characters will be unrecognizable



    In the film, Cloud is emotionally stunted due to the trauma he has endured in the meantime between the game and the sequel. It may be presented with all the subtlety of a brick to the face, but it is nonetheless justified. However, Cloud’s personality retains the same depressive symptoms both in Crisis Core and Dissidia, which makes absolutely no sense. Remember that cocky ex-SOLDIER asshole who was in it all just for the money? And how in the past he was a bit dorky but still incredibly determined guy who practically killed Sephiroth despite holding no potential whatsoever? Yeah, all things considered, Cloud was pretty badass. But that’s not how he is remembered by SE, and I am really concerned that this broody Cloud from the Compilation is what we’ll be getting in the remake. If only that was the worst influence from the Compilation we could get…

    2. You know they’re going to tie into the Compilation, and oh boy, is it a mess…




    We usually don’t talk about the Compilation, and for good reason. Not only is it responsible for the drastic tone shift mentioned earlier, but the amount of retcons in this expansion of the FFVII universe is staggering. Final Fantasy VII was self-contained and that made it great. Sure, there was a deep backstory to the world and the characters that had the potential to be expanded but it was still not really necessary to expand on it. Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus have introduced some of the worst twists to that universe – the goddess of the planet (who doesn’t really make sense in the context of FFVII), the Deepground (makes even less sense) and Genesis. While the former two may be considered a mixed bag, Genesis and his poetry are universally loathed by the fanbase. But in the context of the FFVII universe, all of these elements are now considered canon, for better or worse. Then again, we may be getting ahead of ourselves, complaining about things that in the end may never even happen because…

    1. The Final Fantasy VII remake will take forever to come out



    If the troubled development of FFXV has taught us anything, it’s that a cool concept trailer with a promise of more still to come and not much else doesn’t really bode well for the game’s expected development period. Square Enix doesn’t seem to have caught on. So far, Final Fantasy XV has been in development for almost ten years, changed directors and numbers. Not only is the trailer barely a hint of what is in development now, just like with Versus, both projects were initially directed by Tetsuya Nomura who, bless his soul, is a tad too meticulous when it comes to polishing his babies. Then again, maybe the reason FFXV was stuck in development hell for so long is because Final Fantasy VII was being developed at the same time and we’ll get to play it sooner than we expect? Only time will tell.

    So what worries you most about the announcement of Final Fantasy VII on PS4? Let us know in the comments!
    This article was originally published in forum thread: 5 Concerns About the Final Fantasy VII Remake Announcement started by Fynn View original post
    Comments 127 Comments
    1. -N-'s Avatar
      -N- -
      Man I remember when FF7 came out there was so much reaction from the developers and the fans to its incompleteness. Of course it's going to undergo changes. Upgrades, from the perspective of the developers. At the time I recall reading that the game was rushed through its later stages. I remember Nobuo Uematsu in particular regretted the lack of time for him to polish some of his music (he was caught between that and Dear Friends, I think?) I think the lack of time spent polishing the writing resulted in the ambiguity we relish and fume over today, but I think that is the primary thing they want to eliminate from the game.

      The themes in FFX are just more clearly out there for you to see, ya?
    1. Cloudane's Avatar
      Cloudane -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
      The one thing I've realised about fans of Final Fantasy is that we love a good whinge... about anything. It seems every element of every final fantasy games are both loved and loathed by fans. We all know that making this game and pleasing everyone is an impossible task. I know for a fact that there will be parts of this game that I won't like but I don't really care. I can't wait to see the world I know and love in gloriously fleshed-out HD.

      If they change the battle system and it isn't to my taste then fine, I'll go and play the original again. If I want to wander around Cosmo Canyon in the way I've dreamt about, hopefully, I can do this in the remake.

      I just can't wait to have another way of experiencing this world.

      True for pretty much all geek things especially on the internet. Can't beat a good whinge
      Could be worse.. Metroid fans.. Sonic fans..

      But yeah at least there's always the old game for playing... well, the old game. In all its many-times-replayable turn-based materia mixing goodness.
      There seemed to be a hint that it might see a graphical update too, or it might be reading too much into things.

      Still, I'm really hoping we'll have updated versions of the same music and such, that would be cool!
    1. Mercen-X's Avatar
      Mercen-X -
      Quote Originally Posted by ToriJ View Post
      Only thing that annoyed me about him had nothing to do with his character, just him being placed somewhere he didn't need to be.
      This is true. I bet if Genesis had been introduced originally in any other SE game as the main villain, there would not be near as much hate for him as there is today, although they probably still would have decried him as "an inferior Sephiroth clone" (like Ansem). Two emotions inspire hate: fear and love. It's long been said there's a thin line between love and hate. I personally say there is no line. Hate is just a result of being unable to reconcile your love (or in some cases, fear) for something because you believe that "logically" it should have no meaning to you. For many FF fans, they see great similarity between Sephiroth and Genesis. As well they should. SE gave them virtually identical origin stories, abilities, and nearly even motives. By the end of Crisis Core, Genesis was seemingly even made perfect even in comparison to Sephiroth.

      My favorite aspects about Genesis are
      1) I like the name Genesis
      2) I like the color red
      3) I like the rapier
      4) I like that he didn't whine consistently about his destiny and Jenova being his mother

      My not-so-favorite aspects of Sephiroth
      1) his long-ass sword is clearly compensating for something (same thing for Cloud) or represents their closeted homosexual need for each other (not that there's anything wrong with that)
      2) how many serious villains do you know to whine about their mothers?
    1. Ayen's Avatar
      Ayen -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mercen-X View Post
      2) how many serious villains do you know to whine about their mothers?
      I knew one who went on rants about his father, but that's not the same thing.
    1. Fox's Avatar
      Fox -
      The only reason I hate Genesis is because of what he did to LOVELESS. Going on and on about the "Gift of the Goddess" all the time. The whole thing is in a completely different style to what Cid talked about on the Highwind.

      That play was a really nice background thing in FFVII, you barely ever see it - you just get a couple of posters in Midgar and then the chat with Cid near the end. For Genesis to bring it to the forefront and retcon the style really wound me up. So much so it's the only thing about him I remember, I don't even know what his plot was.
    1. Mercen-X's Avatar
      Mercen-X -
      Wait, Cid talked about LOVELESS? How did I miss this? I replayed the game nigh-on nine times. I never knew anything about LOVELESS (other than the poster at the beginning of VII) until I played Crisis Core.
    1. Ayen's Avatar
      Ayen -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mercen-X View Post
      Wait, Cid talked about LOVELESS? How did I miss this? I replayed the game nigh-on nine times. I never knew anything about LOVELESS (other than the poster at the beginning of VII) until I played Crisis Core.
      I don't even remember the poster.
    1. BlasterDarkRen's Avatar
      BlasterDarkRen -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mercen-X View Post
      Wait, Cid talked about LOVELESS? How did I miss this? I replayed the game nigh-on nine times. I never knew anything about LOVELESS (other than the poster at the beginning of VII) until I played Crisis Core.
      Cid talks about it on th Highwind. If you speak to him while aboard the ship on disc 3 he'll talk about it
    1. maybee's Avatar
      maybee -
      Quote Originally Posted by BlasterDarkRen View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Mercen-X View Post
      Wait, Cid talked about LOVELESS? How did I miss this? I replayed the game nigh-on nine times. I never knew anything about LOVELESS (other than the poster at the beginning of VII) until I played Crisis Core.
      Cid talks about it on th Highwind. If you speak to him while aboard the ship on disc 3 he'll talk about it
      Yup !

      Cid
      "You ever see the play 'LOVELESS'?"


      ***Cloud
      Yes

      Cid
      "Yeah? Really? Well, that's fine."
      "They've been doin' that play every summer since I was a kid."
      "An' I remember seein' it just once..."
      "That was when I was in Midgar interviewing to be a pilot."
      "I had some free time and thought I'd catch the play."
      "Now, I'm no big fan of the theater or anything."
      "But this thing put me to sleep, just like I thought it would."
      "Finally during the last scene, the guy next to me woke me up
      tellin' me my snorin' was too loud."
      "So about all I really remember of that play is the end..."
      "The sister of the lead asks her lover,"

      Cid
      "Do you really have to leave?"

      Cid
      "And the guy says,"


      Cid
      "I promised. The people I love are waiting."


      Cid
      "......I don't understand. Not at all. But...... please take care
      of yourself."


      Cid
      "Of course... I'll come back to you. Even if you don't promise to
      wait. I'll return knowing that you'll be here."


      Cid
      "I remember thinking when I heard those lines,"
      "*&%! What the hell's he talkin' about? But, you know... now I'm
      not so sure..."
      "I think I understand......
    1. Mercen-X's Avatar
      Mercen-X -
      Hmm... I see... you know what I think? In my opinion, Cid messed it up. I mean, seriously. What the hell is he talking about? Cid is clearly not the kind of guy who can memorize dialogue verbatim. If this is the style people have been so desperate to preserve, well I can't react how I would like to without being an a-hole.
    1. Ayen's Avatar
      Ayen -
      As is the case with Battletoads & Double Dragon, Genesis version is better.
    1. Cloudane's Avatar
      Cloudane -
      I suspect that bit of dialogue with Cid is one of the many moments in the game that didn't really survive the translation from Japanese to English. It doesn't really make any sense with or without Cid's apparent epiphany, but it probably did in the original dialogue. Though wasn't it basically a reference to one of those old black and white movies (Brief Encounter or something like that)? That's how I always saw it. If so it's been translated from English to Japanese and back again and as we've seen from messing with Google Translate that can do some pretty funky stuff
      I'd love to see these various moments rewritten now they have a much bigger team behind it.
    1. maybee's Avatar
      maybee -
      Quote Originally Posted by ToriJ View Post
      As is the case with Battletoads & Double Dragon, Genesis version is better.
      Hahha !

      Genesis does what Sephirothdon't !

    1. Ffamran mied Bunansa's Avatar
      Ffamran mied Bunansa -
      I am really not worried. I've been waiting for this for years. If they manage to screw it up, well we still have the original. But I am actually pretty confident in Square's remaking abilities, it's one of the places they've never failed me. (As long as we ignore mobile 'remakes' *shudder*).
    1. Silent Warrior's Avatar
      Silent Warrior -
      Hm... I do recognise the points raised in the article, though I didn't actually think of many of them myself - but most of those concerns actually speculates on alterations to elements of FF7 that I wasn't all that happy with. I'm looking forward to the remake, whenever they actually release it.
    1. Skyblade's Avatar
      Skyblade -
      While I'm worried about most of the points, I think the first one you pointed out is one we don't have to worry about, Fynn.

      Bravely Default showed Square that turn based combat still has its place. I think the battle system will be relatively untouched.
    1. Egami's Avatar
      Egami -
      5. The game will play differently
      It definitely will and Nomura has practically confirmed it. They are looking for a more realistic and immersive experience and personally I think that is a clear indication that stuff like random encounters and separate battle screens are going away (I won't miss them, really). I would be happy if they do a battle system similar to XII, with seamless battle and exploration as well as a gambit like system that lets the AI control your characters but which also allows you at any time to micromanage things. A system like that blended with the materia system of the original would provide quite a bit of depth and room for experimentation, not to mention it would be lots of fun.


      1. The Final Fantasy VII remake will take forever to come out
      I don't think that will be the case with the remake. For starters it looks like they are going to use the same engine as XV, so that alone cuts a lot of development time. They also do not need to expend the time needed to come up with all the characters, story and world as it is very much done already. The game has also been in production for over a year with plans to reveal more info this winter. I think it coming out in 2017 for the 20th anniversary of the game is a good bet.
    1. Mercen-X's Avatar
      Mercen-X -
      Will they keep the boss lineup or will they add new ones and/or swap out old ones? Most bosses are one-offs with no plot relevance (Aps, Rapps, Schizo?) and can be replaced, any machines can be reimagined/renamed, any boss versions of the common mook such as Materia Keeper or Red Dragon can be replaced by more unique enemies)

      The bosses most likely to be kept include the following:
      Ultima Weapon (FF staple)
      Hojo
      Palmer (possibly because ShinRa)
      Rufus (same)
      The Turks (probably; and f-u, I hope to see some new Turks from BC)
      Jenova
      Sephiroth

      Possible new bosses include:
      Genesis (because f-u)
    1. Bubba's Avatar
      Bubba -
      Possible new bosses include:
      Genesis (because f-u)[/QUOTE]

      That would be smurfing horrendous. Which head do you chop off first?

    1. Fynn's Avatar
      Fynn -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
      Possible new bosses include:
      Genesis (because f-u)
      That would be smurfing horrendous. Which head do you chop off first?

      I'd actually be down for that instead of the Genesis we got. Really, anything's better than Gackt in Mary Sue mode.
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