Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Ayen]

Caffeine heals the disfigure!

[Jinx]

hahhahahhahaha oh i c noa

[Noctis Caelum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phJb60y5wlE

I guess we can forgive how small the wedding appeared to be, considering they only shot it in 4 days. That's pretty remarkable.

[Shaibana]

behold the ultimate mashup
Let It Go(T) - The "Game Of Thrones" And "Frozen" Mashup We Have Been Waiting For - 9GAG.tv (http://9gag.tv/p/aVnjq1/let-it-got-game-of-thrones-frozen-mashup?ref=fbl9)


waaaaatcchhh thhiiiissss :D

[Psychotic]

Late like Walder Frey, but Stannis rules, get out. That being said Tommen is the anti-Joffrey and will make an absolutely darling king. I would take him over Stannis, Dany and Balon Greyjoy any day of the week.

[Carl the Llama]

I think Tyrion would make a great king, lol.

[Noctis Caelum]

This is from the previous episode, so I won't bother spoilering it.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/5dda3c38ffdc79117de85b429afd3e0a/tumblr_n47710z8zC1rwljrpo1_500.gif
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Looks like Jaime required coffee in order to sit through the wedding vows!

[Carl the Llama]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/5dda3c38ffdc79117de85b429afd3e0a/tumblr_n47710z8zC1rwljrpo1_500.gif

https://31.media.tumblr.com/81c47d15c0883647f19c1c76e9c79810/tumblr_n47710z8zC1rwljrpo3_500.gif

https://24.media.tumblr.com/34592858e3ac66513185c1beb4519736/tumblr_n47710z8zC1rwljrpo2_500.gif

[from this behind-the-scenes video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phJb60y5wlE)]


This is from the previous episode, so I won't bother spoilering it.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/5dda3c38ffdc79117de85b429afd3e0a/tumblr_n47710z8zC1rwljrpo1_500.gif
http://37.media.tumblr.com/81c47d15c0883647f19c1c76e9c79810/tumblr_n47710z8zC1rwljrpo3_500.gif

Looks like Jaime required coffee in order to sit through the wedding vows!

Got the memo thanks :p

As stupid as some of you make Dany out to be, that move of throwing the collars at the walls was bloody smart, shame that Daario killed that warrior, I was hoping/expecting Drogan to make an appearance.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I guess Ramsey doesn't read the posts before his. :eep:

[Freya]

Tywin just talking about how bad joffery was while cersei is just morning over him and tywin's not giving a fuck.

Tywin man, he's tywinning. Dude knows how to play the game.

Littlefinger :argh:

Arya and the hound adventures are still entertaining.

I really liked dany's scene this episode.

I liked sams scenes, he's so adorkable.

Jaime just took what he wanted in front of his dead sons body. Like damn

Poor Pod, poor tyrion :(

[Agent Proto]

Pretty weak episode, I think. But I'm glad it's setting up for that fight between the Mountain and Red Viper which looks to happen in the next episode. I'm looking forward to that the most.

[Ayen]

I enjoyed Dany's speech too. These episodes feel way too short, man. Way too short.

[blackmage_nuke]

I dont like how the Wildlings raiders are such assholes where as before they were killing to survive.

The adventures of Arya and the Hound are just wonderful.

I really like what they did with the Mereen establishing shot where they panned to a pyramid so you'd think "that's the big pyramid in the center of town" then they kept panning to an even biggger pyramid

I think they missed a golden opportunity (pun intended) to balance the boob to cock ratio on the show with the Mereen champion. It was a short part and the guy wears a helmet, surely they couldve found an actor willing to do nudity.

I can finally change back to my regular set whenever I want now. Which is half the reason I chose Dontos.

[Agent Proto]

Yeah... I don't think that's how it went in the books.

[Noctis Caelum]

To say this episode is weak is being shortsighted. It is setting up episodes to come. We saw many great things, like the Wildlings/NW war brewing. None of the events that are coming would be as powerful as they are without this vital buildup. I know the typical TV audience fan just wants to see senseless violence and action, but I feel that GoT has that magical mixture of being able to carry an episode just with story and drama. It doesn't necessarily need action in order to thrive. Those that demand it need to calm their tits and enjoy the world class story-telling for what it is. The only downside to that episode was all the Sam/Gilly drama. I'm sorry, but I don't care about Gilly. She looks enough like a man that the Men of the Nights Watch probably don't give two farts about her. I know I wouldn't.

Highlight for me was Tywin grooming Tommen. I am glad they recasted Martin Lannister from the last season. He's absolutely fantastic as Tommen - even though book readers are probably livid that he's not fat. Get over it, guys. Not everything has to be 1000% authentic to the books. (Or perhaps you should bitch that Dany isn't a 13 year old girl while you're at it?) I also loved the Tyrion and Pod scene. I can't wait to see Pod become Brienne's squire. Those two are a match made in heaven, I can see it now.

Dany was surprisingly bearable, but that is the show trying to make her more interesting than book Dany. I still feel like she's completely wasting her time taking over the free cities and gathering slaves. She needs warriors, not slaves and eunuchs. Say what you will about Viserys being a pompous fool, but if he had three dragons and the army he clamored for, he would have gotten trout DONE. Or he would have died trying. But I guarantee you it would be more interesting than watching Dany slowly digest herself into a power contender. Right now she's just a fool. I hate the stupid little swagger she had on her horse. I hate how she thinks that she's "the mother of dragons" when she can't even tame any of them. She's a bigger pretender than Renly was when he hosted that ridiculous tourny in Season 2, after he declared himself King. People just think she's worth a damn because of the manpower that she has behind her. And her digital pets, naturally. Take them away, and she's what she was when Viserys was still alive. Frail, weak, uncertain, awkward.
She only got stronger as a leader when she got married to Drogo. And then she killed him. And got their baby killed. That's her history right there. Nothing but failure.

People hate Viserys because he was a :bou::bou::bou::bou: to Dany, but I loved him because he saw the big picture. He knew dinning with the Dothraki was a waste of smurfing time, and it IS. He would take those dragons and conquer Westeros like Aegon the Conqueror once did. Dany, meanwhile, is content to taking her sweet time and running these Slave cities and being their mothers. I guess not everyone is built from the same cloth as Rhaegar the Dragon Prince.

[Del Murder]

A rather tame setup episode, but that's fine since last week had a major plot twist. As long as it is setup-twist-setup-twist-etc. and not 7 straight setup episodes then I'm fine with it.

So I guess Littlefinger was behind the assassination? Kind of convenient that he had his man there to take Sansa away to the mysterious ship he had waiting offshore. Wouldn't be the first time he framed Tyrion. In fact, he was probably behind the assassination attempt on Bran way back in season 1.

[Shiny]

Just when I was starting to like Jamie he goes and rapes his sister in front of his dead son's body. I know tragedies make people horny, but still wtf.

Also I think she's smart taking in slaves. Everyone knows people who have it the hardest will also fight the hardest as proven by decades of amazing boxers.Anyway, Viserys is a total tool bag trying to pimp his sister out and claiming he's immune to fire when he wasn't. He deserved what he got. Anyone who tries to pimp me out will meet the same fate.

[Dr Unne]

A rather tame setup episode

* Boat murder
* Brother/sister incest
* ...rape
* ...in a church
* ...next to their son's corpse
* Orgy
* Robbery-assault
* "Too many rapers around here, maybe you should go live in this brothel"
* Peasant massacre
* Cannibalism
* Horse murder
* Decapitation
* Peeing competition

This show has done a lot to redefine what we think of as tame...

[blackmage_nuke]

She looks enough like a man that the Men of the Nights Watch probably don't give two farts about her. I know I wouldn't.

This is a world where the media hasnt perpetuated a standardised idea of beauty into the subconciousnesses of people and the some of these men of the Nights Watch havent seen a pair of tits (or a single tit) in decades.

[Ayen]

Just when I was starting to like Jamie he goes and rapes his sister in front of his dead son's body. I know tragedies make people horny, but still wtf.

inorite?

What the hell is with this show turning consensual sex scenes into rape?

[Psychotic]

Yeah that Jaime scene was fucked up, didn't like it at all. Alright Dany you are sort of a badass in the show. Sort of. And Pod. What a guy. Love Pod. Pod for King. King Pod.

Also RIP the world's best potato boiler :(

[Shaibana]

yeah, lets just put Pod on the iron throne :3
this episode was way too short for my feeling, i was all in the scene where dany attacks the city and all the sudden... end credits

[The Man]

For what it's worth the scene was at best debatably consensual in the books too, only in the books it's more Cersei arguably forcing herself on Jaime. That doesn't make the change any more acceptable however.

[Shaibana]

random GOT picture is random

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a9dZpYK_700b.jpg

[blackmage_nuke]

I still feel like she's completely wasting her time taking over the free cities and gathering slaves. She needs warriors, not slaves and eunuchs.
I dont think she's freeing slaves just because she wants to form an army. She is freeing slaves because at her core she is against slavery.

Would you say Lincoln trying to free slaves was a waste of time?

I also dislike the church rape scene but I think they did it because It gives Cersei a reason to hate Jaime besides "she's just a bitch" which makes the audience build sympathy towards her as the show seems to want to make character motives more black and white and less morally ambiguous

[Bolivar]

The episode's director is trying to explain that it really wasn't rape:

Review: Game of Thrones - Breaker of Chains: Uncle deadly? (http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-breaker-of-chains-uncle-deadly)

"Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle. Nobody really wanted to talk about what was going on between the two characters, so we had a rehearsal that was a blocking rehearsal. And it was very much about the earlier part with Charles (Dance) and the gentle verbal kidnapping of Cersei's last living son. Nikolaj came in and we just went through one physical progression and digression of what they went through, but also how to do it with only one hand, because it was Nikolaj. By the time you do that and you walk through it, the actors feel comfortable going home to think about it. The only other thing I did was that ordinarily, you rehearse the night before, and I wanted to rehearse that scene four days before, so that we could think about everything. And it worked out really well. That's one of my favorite scenes I've ever done."

I feel like when a director claims that what the audience saw and heard wasn't actually what happened, they've pretty much failed.

[The Man]

That explanation honestly just makes me judge them even more :colbert:

edit: "Not If They Enjoyed It" Rationalization - Television Tropes & Idioms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization)

you expect to hear characters saying this kind of shit but hearing a director say it is particularly appalling

[Freya]

Although it was the same in the book. She said no cause "what if a sept sees" but it doesn't seem as bad as it was from James perspective.


The thing to remember about all these characters is that they may seem nice and likeable in some instances but really, they are all detestable. The hound with arya. Jaime with cersei. The wildlings.

[Psychotic]

Pod is not detestable :colbert:

[Bunny]

The thing to remember about all these characters is that they may seem nice and likeable in some instances but really, they are all detestable. The hound with arya. Jaime with cersei. The wildlings.

Of course they are detestable. Most of them are Lords or Ladies who think more highly of themselves than they should, or good people who are put in horrible situations so they have no choice but to be not good anymore. For the most part, they're just people stuck in a horrible environment in a horrible world. You try being an angel in Westeros.

Even without all that though: people suck. That's the biggest takeaway from this series.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I think Dany will get eaten by her dragons.

*shot*

[Shaibana]

random GOT picture is random.. again
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/arp9ODK_460s_v1.jpg

[Del Murder]

A rather tame setup episode

* Boat murder
* Brother/sister incest
* ...rape
* ...in a church
* ...next to their son's corpse
* Orgy
* Robbery-assault
* "Too many rapers around here, maybe you should go live in this brothel"
* Peasant massacre
* Cannibalism
* Horse murder
* Decapitation
* Peeing competition

This show has done a lot to redefine what we think of as tame...
I meant tame as in plot relevance. Only the boat scene and the forming of tyrion's judges really moved things forward.

[Freya]

http://i.imgur.com/FiGjtDj.jpg

[Bunny]

His face is so....

"oh.. oh... the moment i've been waiting f-- damn girl."

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

When it comes to stories, once I like someone i'm in it for the long haul. And nothing they do will make me stop liking them.

Jaime Lannister fan for life.

[Pike]

Love Dany.

Love Pod.

Love Tyrion.

Love Arya.

Hound WTF.

Ygritte WTF.

JAIME WTF.

[Madame Adequate]

Pod is not detestable :colbert:

See this guy knows what's up.

[Jinx]

Pod is not detestable :colbert:

See this guy knows what's up.

Wow, I'm whole-heartedly agreeing with Paul and Hux, what is my life coming to?

So, Tommen is already a better king that Joffrey. Go figure.

The Cersei/Jaime scene was very uncomfortable. I don't remember it being rape in the books, but you guys all say it was. And yeah, no, if the director didn't intend for it to be rape, the line deliverance and blocking should've been done differently. (S)he keeps talking about all of the thought that went into the blocking, but I don't agree.

Okay okay okay. Dare I say it? I'm really starting to root for Dany. I still wouldn't say that Emilia Clarke is great, but she's getting better. I don't know if whoever directed that scene was able to pull something out of her that hasn't been pulled out before, but this is hands down the best she's ever been. Also, new Daario is much better than old Daario. Poor horsey, though. :(

And all of Sandor and Arya shenanigans are a very wonderful addition from the book. Love it.

Stannis is still boring the shit out of me.


Noctis Caelum, two things:

First, if you think that rape is completely about sex and lust, I really suggest you read up on it and educate yourself. Regardless of whether or not Gilly is attractive (and I think Hannah Murray is beautiful, although admittedly her makeup is meant to make her look rough), out of that many men--many of who are rapists--she would be in danger. Rape is a struggle and an exercise in gaining power over another person. Regardless of whether or not sexual gratification is had from that, sexual desire isn't the same as it is with consensual sex. You shouldn't mix up the two. And also, victims of abuse and rape often deal with more than just one abuse situation in their lives. I find your comment very offensive, or at the least very ignorant of what rape really is.

Secondly, I really don't think you understand what Dany is doing with the slaves at all. Besides just doing the RIGHT thing--really, she's kind of the only person who's acting in a way that isn't completely selfish--when she DOES finally go to Westeros, she's going to have a ton of people who are loyal to her and who are willing to fight for her. Even if they aren't a trained army, she's going to have an insane amount of supporters, and that in turn will make it harder for those who would fight her to fight.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I thought the Jaime/Cersei scene was consensual in the books, too, so the show's version threw me off. Cersei kept saying no to his advances--not playfully, not with some sex vocal inflection (idk how to words)--so I assumed it was a rape. Like Jinx said, I think that, if the director didn't mean for it to come off as a rape, the blocking and line deliverance should have been done differently.

BTW, GRRM responded to fans about it (http://winteriscoming.net/2014/04/21/george-r-r-martin-responds-fans-concern-breaker-chains/).


Anyway, other show bits to comment on:

+ The Pod/Tyrion scene gave me feelings.
+ The Hound and Arya have a pretty cool dynamic.
+ I wish Oberyn and Ellaria were both in my bed. :<
+ The arrow suddenly making its appearance in that little potato/family scene gave me a chuckle.
+ I like Davos a lot more than Stannis.
+ Dany is not my favorite character (but she's somewhere in the middle for me), but that last scene was cool. Her army was a lot bigger than I thought.
+ Daario's part was cool.

[Madame Adequate]

Dany was surprisingly bearable, but that is the show trying to make her more interesting than book Dany. I still feel like she's completely wasting her time taking over the free cities and gathering slaves. She needs warriors, not slaves and eunuchs. Say what you will about Viserys being a pompous fool, but if he had three dragons and the army he clamored for, he would have gotten trout DONE. Or he would have died trying. But I guarantee you it would be more interesting than watching Dany slowly digest herself into a power contender. Right now she's just a fool. I hate the stupid little swagger she had on her horse. I hate how she thinks that she's "the mother of dragons" when she can't even tame any of them. She's a bigger pretender than Renly was when he hosted that ridiculous tourny in Season 2, after he declared himself King. People just think she's worth a damn because of the manpower that she has behind her. And her digital pets, naturally. Take them away, and she's what she was when Viserys was still alive. Frail, weak, uncertain, awkward.
She only got stronger as a leader when she got married to Drogo. And then she killed him. And got their baby killed. That's her history right there. Nothing but failure.

People hate Viserys because he was a :bou::bou::bou::bou: to Dany, but I loved him because he saw the big picture. He knew dinning with the Dothraki was a waste of smurfing time, and it IS. He would take those dragons and conquer Westeros like Aegon the Conqueror once did. Dany, meanwhile, is content to taking her sweet time and running these Slave cities and being their mothers. I guess not everyone is built from the same cloth as Rhaegar the Dragon Prince.

Hahaha what even is this. You could have given Viserys command of every armed man, woman, and child from Lonely Light to Asshai and he couldn't have conquered the village the Wildlings overran in this episode. Khal Drogo didn't deny him the army because he didn't want to uphold his agreement, he denied him because he knew Viserys was an utterly incompetent megalomaniac that would have got most of his men killed.

Dany has come to understand the importance of patience and of building up a solid base before acting. If she ran off to Westeros all half-cocked now half her men would be dead of disease before she arrived and any decent band of archers or crossbowmen could destroy her dragons. They're growing larger and more powerful but they are still whelps. She's conquering Slaver's Bay because she's found something to actually believe in beyond her own aspirations of power, and that's exactly why she's so effective and powerful. She has command of thousands and respect of even more, and she can put the resources of several entire cities to work now.
Remember what Tywin was saying about wisdom? Dany's developed a lot and is developing more, and it shows.

When the time comes for her to assault Westeros and take her rightful place on the throne (Hopefully married to Pod and with Arya as Hand) she's going to be able to do so from a position of power, not weakness. Waiting too long would be a problem, yes, but that point has far from arrived.

[Ayen]

So, Tommen is already a better king that Joffrey. Go figure.

Joffrey didn't really set the bar all that high.

That said, having spoiled myself on some book details I'm looking forward to how the TV show develops Tommen from this point onward.

Edit: Dany played a lot of RTS games.

[Agent Proto]

https://24.media.tumblr.com/23db93d7a4b73d28a95f78d47118cce3/tumblr_n3mhll3xhl1r01qyso8_500.jpg

[Shaibana]

i somehow just cant get used to the new Daario.
i dont know why. its not that i hate him or something like that, but for some season he just doesnt fit in for me :l

[Jinx]

The worst part about recasting Tommen to be so much older?

NO KITTENS :(

[Shaibana]

The worst part about recasting Tommen to be so much older?

NO KITTENS :(

...what?

[Jiro]

Did... did Tyrion tell Pod to take that knighthood? What a bro. This sink's sinking buddy, might as well move on up. And he says Tywin knows how to make use of family tragedies.

Cannot believe anybody thinks Tyrion poisoned Joffrey though. Give the man some credit. He would be halfway to Essos by the time Joffrey died if he wanted it done.

[Jess]

I enjoyed the episode, except the Jaime/Cersei scene. I really didn't think they would do that scene in the show, given Jaime has been back for a while, whereas in the books, this is the first time he sees Cersei upon arriving back in KL. Totally smurfed up regardless, but I certainly didn't see this as rape in the book.

"“Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei’s heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined."

I was disappointed with this scene. This is the same Jaime who saved Brienne from being raped. And the same Jaime who had some of his own men killed for raping women.

It does, however, serve as a good reminder that Jaime can be a monster. After all, he did push a child from a window.

I love Pod. I still like Dany. Unlike others, I've never particularly disliked her. I think Oberyn is great.

[Jinx]

Oberyn is awesome! I didn't care for him in the books, but he's great in the show! Can we all agree he and Ellaria are the sexiest couple on this show? Yes, I thought we all could.

[Madame Adequate]

Yeah I love Oberyn and Ellaria, they're totally awesome.

Dorne can turn out some seriously ice cold burn deliverers I guess!

[Jinx]

This might sound strange, but Oberyn and Ellaria have made the needless and gratuitous sex fresh again. Before it was kind of getting boring, honestly.

[Noctis Caelum]

This might sound strange, but Oberyn and Ellaria have made the needless and gratuitous sex fresh again. Before it was kind of getting boring, honestly.
You just liked seeing Oberyn smack that guy's ass. ;) Dirty animal.

[Shorty]

Whoa, holy trout, the scene with Jaime and Cersei smurfing in the sept. With how much she was resisting and saying no, it was disturbing for him to be so insistent. Definitely seemed like rape to me. Is there a reason they couldn't have done it like in the book? I don't see a good one. It was done to either show how overcome with grief Cersei was that she couldn't even manage it in herself to consent to smurfing Jaime - something they both almost killed a little boy over, or to show how enamored with Cersei Jaime is and that he will do absolutely anything to have her. I believe this will be made clear when Tyrion speaks with him about calling him for a witness, in which he will most likely decline to testify for him based on his want for Cersei. (I forgot what happened in the book or if this even happened in the book, this is non-book referenced speculation)

I am conflicted about my feelings for Arya. Lately, half the time I find her an annoying little tripe, half the time I think she's alright. The Hound remains to be one of my favorites, as does Jaime, despite the sister-rape.

I liked the talk between Tywin and Oberyn. Both of Tywin's scenes were my favorites of this episode - this one and his one speaking to Tommen.

Farewell to Pod made me sad :(

I find it a bit off that Alliser asked Jon Snow for his opinion with what to do about the wildlings and the wall, considering how contemptuous he generally acts toward him.

Seems I'm feeling differently about Danaerys than most people now! I have been somewhat of a supporter of Danaerys throughout this show, but I am reaching my limit for how tolerable I feel like she is. She's too bullheaded and annoying for her own good. Cocky, I guess you could say. Meereen was just beautiful, though! Those statues beside the gates were amazing. I am quite sad that they cut out a ton of stuff from the books at this part, because I thought it was all pretty interesting. Felt like they skipped out a lot of details that happened. I liked the battle between Daario and the Meereen champion, though. Sweet stuff! (poor horse D: )! I like Daario a lot.

Kindof a poor note to end on with the ending shot. Felt anticlimactic. I agree with Del Murder on plot advancement - could have gone better, I think. Still, an okay episode.

I have hope for King Tommen!


Secondly, I really don't think you understand what Dany is doing with the slaves at all. Besides just doing the RIGHT thing--really, she's kind of the only person who's acting in a way that isn't completely selfish--when she DOES finally go to Westeros, she's going to have a ton of people who are loyal to her and who are willing to fight for her. Even if they aren't a trained army, she's going to have an insane amount of supporters, and that in turn will make it harder for those who would fight her to fight.

This is where you're wrong. It is completely selfish, because she knows that by freeing the slaves, they will support her and she will have the army she needs. You could make the argument that they are free and could leave at any time they want, but if she thought they would actually do that, I do not believe she would be using this method as her strategy. If she did think they would leave her, I am quite certain that she would just buy an army to do her bidding for her if she were able because her number one goal is to reclaim the throne in Westeros by any means necessary, slaves or no slaves. Is her method kinder to the once-slaves and is it a better life for them? Yes. Better intentions, sure, but she is still using them for personal gain, which makes it selfish.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

Just saw the episode. I really enjoyed it if only for the Tywin scenes and Tyrion's scene. Those made this episode for me. The stuff with Littlefinger was already spoiled with me by someone from work who had just gotten it spoiled for him by reading it online.

RIP potato guy.

[Carl the Llama]

Damn, I found the perfect sig, but it has loads of naughty language :/

http://i.imgur.com/gVUtYww.gif

[Jinx]

Speaking of Meereen!

In the opening credits the Harpy statue is MUCH better this season. Last season it opened its wings really quickly, and now they have it opening its wings slowly and to the music. That bothered me, so I'm glad they changed it.

[Loony BoB]

I find it a bit off that Alliser asked Jon Snow for his opinion with what to do about the wildlings and the wall, considering how contemptuous he generally acts toward him.
I think he was trying to trick Jon Snow - it was a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation and he wanted Jon to either say they should leave the Wildlings alone to kill as they please (to suggest that Jon was siding with the Wildlings) or to vote to abandon their post to save the people from the Wildlings (to suggest that Jon was willing to abandon his post). Jon's choice of words was very clever, and nobody was able to disagree with them, thus Jon avoided the trap.

[Agent Proto]

https://24.media.tumblr.com/9e9a3cebeca1ea737d0ceb32a03e6c8c/tumblr_n4gi62PBQv1rtz922o1_500.jpg
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[Lonely Paper Star]

Upcoming GAME OF THRONES Episodes Reveal Big Plot Plans and Maybe-Spoilers (http://www.nerdist.com/2014/04/upcoming-game-of-thrones-episodes-reveal-big-plot-plans-and-maybe-spoilers/)

For upcoming episodes 5, 6, and 7.

[Kalevala]

I certainly interpreted the sex in the book as consensual. Rereading it now I don't know how it could be read otherwise, unless you factor in POV.

What made Jaime such a fantastic character in the books is his redemption. Westeros is full of reprehensible folk, and Jaime is certainly one of them, but the argument of "oh well he did it because people are bad and do bad things even when you don't expect it" isn't satisfactory. In a world like this there is also room for the reprehensible to redeem themselves, and Jaime was one of those characters. By trampling all over his character development like this, they've reduced him to another one of the purely grey characters. In Westeros there are "good" characters (Pod), there are "bad" characters (Ramsay or Euron), the many "grey area" characters, and those who travel between these three distinctions. In the books, Jaime starts from the bottom and slowly works his way up, making him more fascinating. Now he's been (seemingly) taken down a few pegs again. It reminds me of Vikings, a show I want to like but can't get into because there's never any real permanent character development. The characters literally do the exact same things over and over again, and so any "development" means less and I end up not caring about what anyone is doing.

I just hope they had a good reason for changing this, and that it wasn't just a cheap dramatic ploy. The writers/show runners are usually pretty on the ball. Their reputation is the only reason my hope isn't wavering right now.

[Bunny]

I have yet to watch the third episode, so I'm not aware of how gratuitous and rapey it might come off. However, I have read quite a bit about the scene in question, from both sides, and I have come to the conclusion that only one thing needs to be taken into account:

Currently, the majority of characters in the show are, essentially, alternate reality versions of those in the book. Enough things have gone on in the show that differ from the book that the characters are no longer growing the same way, nor are events becoming realized in the same way or even at the same time. Comparing the characters in the show with the characters in the book, or vice versa, is something that should no longer occur on a grand scale because this. While this does not necessarily excuse the fact that the scene could have been portrayed better, it does excuse the notion that it was somehow portrayed incorrectly. Show Jaime, like all Show Characters, are experiencing things differently than their book counterparts and so a lot of things have to be changed in order to make sense of that.

The emotions and actions of the characters in the show are not completely decided by the writers of each individual episode and the characters in the book now only serve as general guidelines and rough outlines to how each character should act. The show is growing into its own completely separate entity from the books and, while they will still share a significant amount of things in common, I think it is extremely silly to keep judging the actions of characters in the show to their book counterparts.

[LunarWeaver]

Needs more Bran and Jojen I'm-23-in-Real-Life-Somehow Reed. I can't open my Tumblr dashboard without seeing tons of gifs of Tyrion and Dany. Like, they take a step forward and there's 10 panels of carefully crafted gifs for it. Let some others in there!

[Jinx]

The problem is you're on Tumblr.

[LunarWeaver]

No way, the indignant rage over every issue possible is way too much fun to read. Besides, I do get some fun stuff in there sometimes. Olenna Tyrell deserves to be immortalized. I'd watch a whole spin-off series where she just waltzes around King's Landing talking to everyone.

[Ayen]

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This. This so smurfing much, man.

[Bunny]

Alright, just watched the episode. I don't see the problem with that scene.

[Shorty]

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I THOUGHT BRAN WAS A SWEET LITTLE LESBIAN CHICK FAN WITH GLASSES AND THEN I DID A DOUBLE TAKE

[McLovin']

Alright, just watched the episode. I don't see the problem with that scene.

My friend and I found it odd. But nothing to discuss over and over again...

[Night Fury]

Every episode I find myself falling further in love with Sansa. God Sophie Turner is beautiful.

[Shaibana]

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[Bolivar]

Alright, just watched the episode. I don't see the problem with that scene.

I don't think the scene is terrible for the context of the show but it's not surprising that many are upset that the show is becoming less of an adaptation and more like fanfiction. The stories they want to tell just aren't as interesting or nuanced as the source material, as Kalevala explained so well on the previous page.

[Bunny]

Anyone who expected a completely faithful adaptation when this was announced doesn't know a lot about book-to-movie or book-to-television adaptations.

[Shaibana]

Alright, just watched the episode. I don't see the problem with that scene.

I don't think the scene is terrible for the context of the show but it's not surprising that many are upset that the show is becoming less of an adaptation and more like fanfiction. The stories they want to tell just aren't as interesting or nuanced as the source material, as Kalevala explained so well on the previous page.

and that is why i first watch the show, and read the books after it

[Bolivar]

^ not gonna lie, a part of me envies you!


Anyone who expected a completely faithful adaptation when this was announced doesn't know a lot about book-to-movie or book-to-television adaptations.

I know you're smart enough to understand what a straw man that is. No one has critiqued the show for not being "completely faithful."

[Bunny]

Except a significant amount of the critiques of that one particular scene, perhaps not on this site, have lead with a complaint that it isn't how it was in the book. As are most complaints about how the story lines in the show are progressing. Plenty of people are critiquing the show for not being completely faithful or knocking it for deviating even slightly for the source material. Just as it is receiving praise for deviating from the books.

[Psychotic]

My complaint is not necessarily that it wasn't like it was in the book, it's that the scene in the show was really weird and bizarre. When you compare it to the book scene - which was much better - you wonder why they made the choices they did.

[Dr Unne]

In the book, wasn't this scene the first time Cersei and Jaime were reunited after being apart for a long time? I think the book scene makes more sense in that context; they're happy to see each other again. In the show, they've been together for a while, and had a lot of time to get over being happy to see each other. Cersei has been through a lot of stuff on her own, like that whole Stannis battle, losing her son to Margaery, losing a lot of her influence thanks to her father taking over, being married off to Loras, watching her son die. All this while Jaime is off being captured and having his hand chopped off. Then he shows up all gross and dirty missing an arm, unable to fight any longer. He failed to be there for her when she needed him, and he also failed to protect Joffrey even when he returned. It makes sense that she might not be his biggest fan in the show.

Meanwhile Jaime has lost pretty much everything. Cersei is all he has left, and she was turning away from him. Considering how despicable both characters are and what they've been through, the scene in the show made sense to me.

[Formalhaut]

Basically, I think people are still harking back to a nicer, kinder Jaime when we were seeing that lovable comedy duo of 'The Adventures of Brienne and Jaime'.

Oh, and also, I've finally made my GoT set! I hope it's decent. I really can't do sets very well.

[Bolivar]

In the book, wasn't this scene the first time Cersei and Jaime were reunited after being apart for a long time? I think the book scene makes more sense in that context; they're happy to see each other again. In the show, they've been together for a while, and had a lot of time to get over being happy to see each other. Cersei has been through a lot of stuff on her own, like that whole Stannis battle, losing her son to Margaery, losing a lot of her influence thanks to her father taking over, being married off to Loras, watching her son die. All this while Jaime is off being captured and having his hand chopped off. Then he shows up all gross and dirty missing an arm, unable to fight any longer. He failed to be there for her when she needed him, and he also failed to protect Joffrey even when he returned. It makes sense that she might not be his biggest fan in the show.

Meanwhile Jaime has lost pretty much everything. Cersei is all he has left, and she was turning away from him. Considering how despicable both characters are and what they've been through, the scene in the show made sense to me.

George R.R. Martin actually said the same thing about it in a comment for an unrelated blog post (http://grrm.livejournal.com/367116.html). I felt the same way and I honestly do agree with Bunny that the fan blanket reaction to any deviation is arbitrary. I actually think A LOT of the book deviations have been pretty good but as a whole, they have been pretty hit or miss. This one just happened to be a miss. A very creepy, cringe-worthy miss. Maybe that was the point, though.

[Kalevala]

My complaint is not necessarily that it wasn't like it was in the book, it's that the scene in the show was really weird and bizarre. When you compare it to the book scene - which was much better - you wonder why they made the choices they did.

This sums up my position as well. I don't want anyone to think I'm just being a spoiled fan. It isn't that I didn't like the deviation. I would have had issues with it even if it were the source material.

[Shaibana]

Oh, and also, I've finally made my GoT set! I hope it's decent. I really can't do sets very well.

haha, i love it!
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[Noctis Caelum]

PETER DINKLAGE (http://www.danbarham.com/dinklage/)

I want this to go viral.

[Shaibana]

they should have made it '' peeeeter, peeeter, peter dinklage (peter dinklage ,peter dinklage ,peter dinklage ,peter dinklage)
instead of ''peeeter diiiinklage, peter dinklage (peter dinklage, peter dinklage, peter dinklage, peter dinklage)

[Shlup]

Except a significant amount of the critiques of that one particular scene, perhaps not on this site, have lead with a complaint that it isn't how it was in the book. As are most complaints about how the story lines in the show are progressing. Plenty of people are critiquing the show for not being completely faithful or knocking it for deviating even slightly for the source material. Just as it is receiving praise for deviating from the books.

The complaint isn't so much that the story isn't an on-screen version of the books, but that some of the changes have been bad. They have great source material to work from, and when they change the spirit of a scene it's perfectly reasonable to criticize it as a good choice or a bad choice. Making Arya Tywin's cup bearer--good choice. Knocking down pretty much all the sympathy they've built for Jaime as a character by having him outright rape his sister--bad choice.

That said, it seems like the director was going for consensual sex and just failed to translate it to the audience. While he meant her clutching hand to be her giving in, we saw it as a sign of distress. Which is a bummer because, as fucked up as that scene is, in the book is gave great insight to the dynamic of those characters, while in the show it just seemed fucked up for the sake of being fucked up.

[Shiny]

It was done to either show how overcome with grief Cersei was that she couldn't even manage it in herself to consent to smurfing Jaime - something they both almost killed a little boy over, or to show how enamored with Cersei Jaime is and that he will do absolutely anything to have her.
I think it's the latter, although both are pretty good speculations.

[Del Murder]

It was a smurfed up scene even if it was consensual. These are smurfed up characters doing smurfed up things in a smurfed up world. That's all there is to it.

I'm fearing for Tyrion right now. I feel like his storyline is 'winding to a close' and that terrible things await him. :( I hope he manages to wiggle his way out of this one but I'm not so sure. I'm sure most of you already know his fate but I'm only halfway through A Storm of Swords and that means I have like 5,000 pages left to read before I catch up with it.

[blackmage_nuke]

While he meant her clutching hand to be her giving in

"She totally wants it. Just look at the way she's clutching her hand" is a worse rape line than "look at what she's wearing"
I cant imagine anyone who thinks this.

Anyway what I dont like is that now I cant say to an exclusive show watcher "I really like Jaime Lanister" without having to explain how he isn't a rapist.

[Agent Proto]

Even though this was a couple episodes back, who can't resist the Hound with his chickens?

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[Formalhaut]

I can't wait till next episode just so the controversy is forgotten about for awhile. I'm excited about Dany's storyline now, for once. Didn't think I'd be saying that.

[Freya]

Spoiler alert to book readers this time. Night's King with creepy ice demon boss man shown.

It is the Night's King, the show synopsis says it.

How's it feel book readers, to have the show spoil the future books for you?

Shoe is on the other foot now.

[McLovin']

Well that was awesome.

[Ayen]

That was an intense episode, although the beginning was kind of a drag with how the last episode ended but all in all an hour well spent. Once again the ending credits tend to sneak up on me as I keep expecting there to be more.

[blackmage_nuke]

I dont remember how/when the Bran party got north of the wall in the show

[Formalhaut]

I dont remember how/when the Bran party got north of the wall in the show

They've obviously been travelling even after the ending credits role. Besides, they would have had to have made some progress, otherwise their story would just be them travelling for the entire season.

[Bolivar]

I dont remember how/when the Bran party got north of the wall in the show

They mentioned how Sam helped them through and he told Jon about it. I didn't see the last episode of Season 3 - did that really happen off camera?

[Formalhaut]

I dont remember how/when the Bran party got north of the wall in the show

They mentioned how Sam helped them through and he told Jon about it.

Damn, forgot all about that.

[blackmage_nuke]

Yea it happened at the end of season 3 and i just forgot the scene. I thought they were still south of the wall at the start of season 4.

[Psychotic]

Spoiler alert to book readers this time. Night's King with creepy ice demon boss man shown.

It is the Night's King, the show synopsis says it.

How's it feel book readers, to have the show spoil the future books for you?

Shoe is on the other foot now.Hahahaha oh man is that who that was?

Pretty surprised they made it blindingly obvious who did Joffrey in so soon. A bit of mystery and intrigue would've been fun. Great episode though!

[Madame Adequate]

Burn Gorman should be relaxing in Pentos surrounded by luxury, for there is no greater poet in all of Westeros or Essos.

[Rantz]

Excellent episode! The bit at the end was a bit uncomfortable, but awesome!


Pretty surprised they made it blindingly obvious who did Joffrey in so soon. A bit of mystery and intrigue would've been fun. Great episode though!

Agreed, although I can certainly see the point in making things more in-your-face for the show. In a few episodes' time a lot of non-readers (not all, I know, but many) will be all "King Geoffrey? Who's that again?".

[Lonely Paper Star]

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[McLovin']

Burn Gorman should be relaxing in Pentos surrounded by luxury, for there is no greater poet in all of Westeros or Essos.

Right!? That dude was a fantastic evil actor.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

Hodor... :(

[Lonely Paper Star]

Hodor... :(

That part actually made me very sad. I usually identify my brother with Hodor (in terms of mental ability and his size kind of), and it sort of felt like I was watching him instead. D:

[Madame Adequate]

Yeah that part was not cool :(

[Psychotic]

Yeah, really unexpected. Writers definitely trying to generate some heel heat for the deserters!

[Agent Proto]

I am also starting to think that Bran and Jon will reunite at some point in the future. Possibly later during this season. This show has certainly gone off the route of the books.

[Pike]

Loved the bit with Jaime/Brienne/Pod. I just want to watch the three of them having adventures :(

[Rantz]

Oh yeah how could I forget to comment on HELL YEAH PODRIENNE (coining it here and now) and awww hodor :(

[Psychotic]

Thrilled for the debut of Ser Pounce.

[Shaibana]

its funny, my boyfriend said (pretending to have already watched it but to obvious didnt) that Hodor would get killed and seeing Hodor being picked on i was certain that my boyfriend had cursed him by saying that :l i was afraid he would actually die

i think the whole scene from Bran getting behind the wall, and Sam telling Jon, has been erased from the memorie of the audiance :l how did they do that?

[Rantz]

Sam and Gilly came up through the well at the Nightfort when Bran & Co. were camping there. The well leads to a secret passage that goes under the wall. I don't think they went into much detail about it.


I find it curious that Coldhands hasn't made an appearance yet. Sam leading Bran & Co. behind the wall using the Night's Watch oath, and Coldhands not being able to go with, are good examples of the magical properties of the wall, which I think have been largely ignored by the show so far. That part is no major deal, but I do hope they won't scrap Coldhands entirely, at least. He's certainly a unique and likely important character.

[Noctis Caelum]

'Game of Thrones' hits biggest rating yet after controversy | Inside TV | EW.com (http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/28/game-of-thrones-hits-new-series-high-in-ratings/)

[Formalhaut]

Just watched the episode just now, and here are my random assorted thoughts on it:



Overall, a very solid episode. I liked the middle section the best, in Kings Landing. I thought that flowed very seamlessly.
Finally, Bran's storyline hits home. After what has practically been him just travelling, now I actually feel somewhat involved with him and the others. I still can't help but feel largely ambivalent towards Jojen. He's either silently observing any interactions, or seizing. I like Meera more, personally. But you have to feel sorry for Hodor! That bit was tragic.
In the same vein, I actually forgot about Ghost. I did wonder where Jon's direwolf went to.
Dany's bit was basically just her taking over Mereen. In a way, I'm slightly underwhelmed. I mean, Mereen was built up as the largest of the Slave Cities, the last one Dany needed to take. The previous episode had a great scene with the Champion and Daario. How exciting, I thought, only to then in the next one have Mereen taken over in the space of ten minutes, even less so. I did like the sneaky way they did it, but... meh. I was expecting more resistance from Mereen. Now that Dany has all three cities, I wonder what's next. We shall see.
Like the others, looking forward to Pod and Brienne become our new travelling companions.
Cersei is deteriorating. I particularly liked how the camera focused solely on her whilst she drunk her wine; probably showing a problem with alcohol there. Can't help but wonder if that was spurred on my the events in the Sept.
Talking about the Sept, I'm surprised with how it was virtually forgotten about. Cersei and Jaime sort of carry on as if it never happened. And Jaime is back to his usual, cheerful, friendly, 'changed man' self. I'm not sure about that one.
We practically know who did it now. Littlefinger, and Olenna. Littlefinger admitted it to Sansa, while Olenna gave a pretty huge hint. I loved how she fondled with Margarey's necklace as well during her scene: cute touch.
The scene with Tommen and Margarey was interesting. It was pretty funny, actually. I think Margarey was acting on Tommen's sort of pre-pubescent adolescence there, which is pretty clever. And the bit with Ser Pounce was cute. I like now how Tommen is getting more screen-time. The actor who plays him isn't half bad.
I don't think the Craster's Mutineers could have been portrayed as subtle, to be honest. It sounds pretty cheap, but I think the 'full on evil' get-up is probably the best option for them. The whole hostage situation now will be very interesting to watch now that Jon is marching on the keep.
Also, I can't help but feel I've seen that Locke guy before. Someone remind me who he is. I think he's a baddie, but I can't remember.
Finally, I like the White Walkers bit at the end. Gives us a bit more about them without revealing too much.


All in all, very excited for the next episode!

[Noctis Caelum]

Well, I always wondered what the Others did with Craster's sons, and how they stayed alive and grew in numbers over the course of 1000+ years, so that ending was quite shocking and satisfying. Especially to my smug book-reader ego. Just when I feel like I know everything about GoT, they tell me to shut the smurf up and sit down. :x

Now I imagine the entire Others army as Craster's former sons. Quite a disturbing mental image, ain't it?

[Shlup]

While he meant her clutching hand to be her giving in

"She totally wants it. Just look at the way she's clutching her hand" is a worse rape line than "look at what she's wearing"
I cant imagine anyone who thinks this.

Anyway what I dont like is that now I cant say to an exclusive show watcher "I really like Jaime Lanister" without having to explain how he isn't a rapist.
Yeah, that scene was supposed to be about their fucked up power dynamic, but it turned out just to be a plain ol' rape scene. But I want to love Jaime, dammit!


Excellent episode! The bit at the end was a bit uncomfortable, but awesome!


Pretty surprised they made it blindingly obvious who did Joffrey in so soon. A bit of mystery and intrigue would've been fun. Great episode though!

Agreed, although I can certainly see the point in making things more in-your-face for the show. In a few episodes' time a lot of non-readers (not all, I know, but many) will be all "King Geoffrey? Who's that again?".
The show keeps cheating us out of my favorite surprises from the books. First, Ser Barriston traveling with Dany. Then Theon's fate. Then who killed Joffrey. Then Podrick, who, in the books, was assumed to probably not be scene again and then met up with Brienne on the road so I clutched my book like "Yay, it's Podrick!... though I am excited for more Podrick.


Thrilled for the debut of Ser Pounce.
Yay! More Tommen with kitties scenes!


Well, I always wondered what the Others did with Craster's sons, and how they stayed alive and grew in numbers over the course of 1000+ years, so that ending was quite shocking and satisfying. Especially to my smug book-reader ego. Just when I feel like I know everything about GoT, they tell me to shut the smurf up and sit down. :x

Now I imagine the entire Others army as Craster's former sons. Quite a disturbing mental image, ain't it?
I want to see little White toddlers running around playing freeze tag!

[Jinx]

The way they're taking the show is kind of dumb. Meh.

Tommen's about to lose his V-card btw.

I second Formy saying that Dany's taking Meereen was actually pretty anti-climactic after the build-up of last episode. I did enjoy seeing the slavemasters basically get crucified, though. That was cool.

[McLovin']

Also, I can't help but feel I've seen that Locke guy before. Someone remind me who he is. I think he's a baddie, but I can't remember.



He cut off Jaime's hand.





Well, I always wondered what the Others did with Craster's sons, and how they stayed alive and grew in numbers over the course of 1000+ years, so that ending was quite shocking and satisfying. Especially to my smug book-reader ego. Just when I feel like I know everything about GoT, they tell me to shut the smurf up and sit down. :x

Now I imagine the entire Others army as Craster's former sons. Quite a disturbing mental image, ain't it?

Not as much as your sig.


The way they're taking the show is kind of dumb. Meh.

Tommen's about to lose his V-card btw.

I second Formy saying that Dany's taking Meereen was actually pretty anti-climactic after the build-up of last episode. I did enjoy seeing the slavemasters basically get crucified, though. That was cool.

I don't think Margaery fucks until she's sealed the deal. Until then she only teases.

[Dr Unne]

I liked the episode. Brienne is the best. They did an awfully good job of making us not like the mutineers at Craster's place. Here's hoping they die horribly soon. I don't remember if any of this stuff was even in the books. I honestly enjoy when some things happen differently than the books, so I get to relive some of the not-knowing again.


Also, I can't help but feel I've seen that Locke guy before. Someone remind me who he is. I think he's a baddie, but I can't remember.

Last time we saw him, he was in the room when Theon was telling the Boltons that Bran was alive. So he's presumably hunting for Bran.

[Freya]

So interestingly enough, HBO may have spoilered themselves too soon. On the official synopsis it said Night's King, now it's been edited to just say a walker.

Good job HBO.

[Jinx]

bwahahahha


FAIL

[Agent Proto]

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Father of Year

[Shiny]

That scene with Margaery I loled hard. His face was priceless.

[Del Murder]

Is 'Night's King' really a spoiler? The name literally means nothing to me.

[Freya]

It was a featurette in season 2 on the dvd's they mention him and he's literally been mentioned in the books twice and in passing really.

But he's the ultimate boss of the series basically, or so the theories go. Here let Ygritte explain.

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Basically they confirmed there is a leader within the others, with the scene and then mentioning his name in the synopsis, and he has ties to the night's watch AND the starks. This hasn't been mentioned or touched on in the books besides old nan mentioning it in a story to Bran and Torumand to Jon in a story in another book. Partly cause they can't show a perspective of the white walkers in the books. They also showed a type of hierarchy with the white walkers, another thing never even touched upon in the books. So this weeks episode had new things for everyone, even the all knowing book readers.

[Psychotic]

Is 'Night's King' really a spoiler? The name literally means nothing to me.It is for book readers, because they just told you who is leading the White Walkers. In the books there has been absolutely no mention of who they are, who leads them or what they're doing to Craster's sons. The Night's Knight has been mentioned in a few legends and tales as A Very Naughty Boy but as a myth, legend or fable. I assume there's a big twist in the books coming to say "Yes, it is I! The man from your stories! I LIVE!" or what have you.

Shouldn't mean a thing to show viewers though, no.

[Agent Proto]

I take it that this "Night's King" will play a major role in "Winds of Winter" which won't be released any time soon during this season.

[Del Murder]

Meh, the WW are so far away from the rest of the action it is very hard to give a rat about them or their leader. Just send Samwell out there and he'll destroy them all.

[Freya]

There are tons of goodies on the dvd features. A lot of history stuff. Just youtube them and you'll see a bunch of stuff that will explain things as a show viewer and not a book reader.

[Shlup]

Some book context, for any interested non-readers. (http://imgur.com/a/1G0eR)

[Ayen]

I find it all fascinating and hope it leads to something sooner rather than later, but if there's one thing this show has taught me it's that things come later rather than sooner.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Okay, I don't know if anyone posted this yet or not

But this happened

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[Shaibana]

not so bad actually :3

welcome to the internet!
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p.s silenty people are getting rid of theire GOT avatar and signature 1 by 1 ... DONT do that, the season is not over yet D:

when this season is done you can get back to other signatures :3

[NorthernChaosGod]

Man, I wish Strong Belwas was in the show. :(

[blackmage_nuke]

p.s silenty people are getting rid of theire GOT avatar and signature 1 by 1 ... DONT do that, the season is not over yet D:

when this season is done you can get back to other signatures :3

my guy died...

[Jinx]

Eh, I had it nearly for a month.

[Agent Proto]

p.s silenty people are getting rid of theire GOT avatar and signature 1 by 1 ... DONT do that, the season is not over yet D:

when this season is done you can get back to other signatures :3

my guy died...

it's only a month thing anyway. No one is going to force you to change or keep it.

[Shaibana]

it takes the feeling away :(

[Noctis Caelum]

I take it that this "Night's King" will play a major role in "Winds of Winter" which won't be released any time soon during this season.
With Jon Snow "dead" (coming back to the dead and possibly being reborn as Azor Ahai), it certainly is possible that we'll see some sort of fight with the Others. I don't think we'll see the final showdown between the Nights Watch and the Others until the final book though, obviously. But I do expect us to meet the leader of the Others. How he is introduced, and whether or not the bastard speaks, is completely up in the air.

[Formalhaut]

it takes the feeling away :(

Don't worry Shai. I'm sticking with mine till the end!

That, and I'm still thinking ideas for a new set. :p

[Jinx]

The darkest GoT news yet. :(

Ser Pounce off 'Game of Thrones' (for now) | PopWatch | EW.com (http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/04/29/ser-pounce-game-of-thrones/)

[Rantz]

NO!!!

[Shaibana]

aah. ser pounce is the cat

[Freya]

The pounce that was promised. The pounce would mount the world :(

[Shlup]

I take it that this "Night's King" will play a major role in "Winds of Winter" which won't be released any time soon during this season.
Azor Ahai

wut

[McLovin']

What is this Ser Pounce. Is it just because it's a cat people are all like :3 or is relative to the story?

[Freya]

Ser pounce is hand of the king!

[Rantz]

Paw of the king!

[Shlup]

What is this Ser Pounce. Is it just because it's a cat people are all like :3 or is relative to the story?

He is the personification catification of the difference between Joffrey and Tommen.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

What is this Ser Pounce. Is it just because it's a cat people are all like :3 or is relative to the story?He is the personification catification of the difference between Joffrey and Tommen.More like purrsonification amirite

[Shorty]

What a great smurfing episode. I was reeled in from the beginning straight until the end - from the slaves and Danaerys to Jaime's wrestling with love and loyalty to Littlefinger's confession to Margaery and her grandmother's cunning to the smurfing hard-to-watch Crastor's Keep scenes to the smurfing white walker lair. All of it amazing, best of the season yet. The only way it could have been better is if Tyrion's trial was squeezed in there somehow! Great, great stuff.

[Bolivar]

The trippiest part about that ending reveal about The Others is that the baby was surrounded by 13 white walkers, all wearing black from head to toe. The Night's King was purported to be the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, who was seduced by a white walker. This lead some to believe that the ranks of The Others and the Night's Watch might be connected somehow, perhaps even past lord commanders taking similar roles among The Others.

[Bunny]

While I like the idea that it was the 13th Commander, I prefer to think it had something to do with The Last Hero, who went beyond the wall with 12 companions to try and find the Children of the Forest. I think it fits better with where the story seems to get going, due to the parallels of TLH with Azor Ahai.

Overall, I think it was a solid episode and, while I understand the complaints about the ending spoiling things that haven't yet happened in the book timeline, I am okay with the story moving at a faster pace than the books are. I am also okay with the show building off or creating its own lore rather than trying to race GRRM to the finish line.

[Shlup]

Where did you acquire this information??

[Shaibana]

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my bf did not get this Sansa post :l.. .. ... . .... ... .. .. ... . .. .. .. .....

[Carl the Llama]

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[Shaibana]

i demand that whoever has Dany as character has this as the avatar!
http://i.imgur.com/zevdHAa.gif

[Shorty]

No. I will ban you. I will ban you with a smile.

[Madame Adequate]

Don't worry, I will unban you! I will defend your Dany avatar!

[Mercen-X]

Has a set been made for the shadow things Melisandre made? I dibs that. If it's taken. I dibs the White Walkers.

[McLovin']

That went by too fast.
Little finger being behind EVERYTHING since the first episode? Holy smurf.

The Hound...some funny trout right there

I can see the game of bitches beginning now.

And I cannot get over Hodor Smash. That was freakin awesome.

[Agent Proto]

That was one of the best episodes I've seen. It was good all around. Especially that last kill. Goddamn, Snow.

[Shaibana]

i feel sad for Jon and Bran not reuniting :o
they were so freaking close!!

and just when i though Sansa was safe she gets locked up in a castle with a crazy smurf D:

[Shiny]

It is really frustrating that none of these people have cell phones. It could be so easy.

Bran: Jon, Jon I'm at this place!
Jon: Oh word, I'm close to there. I'll come get you right now! Oh wait, someone else is on the line hang on *beep* Hello?
Sansa: Dude, like I'm totally with Littlefinger. He's a conniving mo fo. Come get me tho, lol ttyl.
Jon: Oh okay, um...

[blackmage_nuke]

Good episode especailly with the Hound. I don't like that Bran made Hodor kill someone but I guess it adds to the drama.

[Del Murder]

Littlefinger/Lysa being behind Jon Arryn's murder and framing the Lannisters has to be a retcon. It doesn't make any sense in the context of the first season. Really good episode though! A lot happened!

[Formalhaut]

Loved the episode, particularly surrounding the solving of several unexplained mysteries surrounding season one. The death of Jon Arryn is now explained, while the fate of Syrio the water-dancer is now strongly implied.

Good episode, wrapped several things up, including Craster's Keep. I'm very excited for the next episode. The Brienne and Podrick partnership is just brilliant.

Lastly, whatever happened to Varys? We've really only seen him briefly this season.

[Del Murder]

Varys was in this episode briefly. He bowed to Tommen.

[Formalhaut]

Varys was in this episode briefly. He bowed to Tommen.

I think my point was that this is all we really see of him. Briefly bowing, or briefly at the wedding, and so on. He's really only had one proper scene so far this season, which is a shame because the actor who plays him is very good. I like his character.

[Shaibana]

Varys was in this episode briefly. He bowed to Tommen.

I think my point was that this is all we really see of him. Briefly bowing, or briefly at the wedding, and so on. He's really only had one proper scene so far this season, which is a shame because the actor who plays him is very good. I like his character.

now that you mention it, didnt he had a wizard in a box last season? what happened to him and what did he need him for? or am i being delusional now?

[Agent Proto]

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[Psychotic]

Varys was in this episode briefly. He bowed to Tommen.

I think my point was that this is all we really see of him. Briefly bowing, or briefly at the wedding, and so on. He's really only had one proper scene so far this season, which is a shame because the actor who plays him is very good. I like his character.

now that you mention it, didnt he had a wizard in a box last season? what happened to him and what did he need him for? or am i being delusional now?Revenge.

[Rantz]

Good episode especailly with the Hound. I don't like that Bran made Hodor kill someone but I guess it adds to the drama.
Hodor didn't seem very thrilled about it either. I agree that it was uncomfortable.

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[Shaibana]

Varys was in this episode briefly. He bowed to Tommen.

I think my point was that this is all we really see of him. Briefly bowing, or briefly at the wedding, and so on. He's really only had one proper scene so far this season, which is a shame because the actor who plays him is very good. I like his character.

now that you mention it, didnt he had a wizard in a box last season? what happened to him and what did he need him for? or am i being delusional now?Revenge.

ooh thats right, he cut off his balls, right?

[Formalhaut]

Interesting that despite the Eyrie appearing again for the first time since Season One, it's conspicuously absent from the title sequence this week.

[Dr Unne]

Littlefinger/Lysa being behind Jon Arryn's murder and framing the Lannisters has to be a retcon. It doesn't make any sense in the context of the first season.

How so? It turns out everyone was lying/ignorant in season 1, not really surprising.

[Kalevala]

Excellent imagery in the second Pod/Brienne scene. Pod is skinning the rabbit while Brienne sheds her "skin" (armour) and begins to let him in emotionally.

The promo for next week's episode looks great. Finally some Asha/Yara Greyjoy scenes!

[Denmark]

sarah make this your avatar pls

http://puu.sh/8APc6.jpg

dang i guess it looks better in context. http://i.imgur.com/di1H6D8.jpg

http://puu.sh/8APmU.jpg

[Ayen]

Littlefinger/Lysa being behind Jon Arryn's murder and framing the Lannisters has to be a retcon. It doesn't make any sense in the context of the first season.

How so? It turns out everyone was lying/ignorant in season 1, not really surprising.

Didn't Jaime admit to killing Jon in the first season to Cersei? Why would he lie about that? I could be remembering wrong, though.

That scene got a legit jaw drop out of me regardless. Another favorite moment was: When Lysa said she was going to scream really loudly when Littlefinger has sex with her and then the next scene with Sansa laying wide awake with Lysa's screaming in the background.

Arya and Sandor are as great as always. Jon Snow shows why you should never turn your back on a bastard.

[McLovin']

sarah make this your avatar pls

http://puu.sh/8APc6.jpg

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[Jinx]

This episode sucked ass.

[Dr Unne]

Didn't Jaime admit to killing Jon in the first season to Cersei? Why would he lie about that? I could be remembering wrong, though.

I don't remember that. There was a lot of speculation amongst the characters. Tyrion and Cersei were prime suspects, but I don't remember Jaime even being a consideration. But everyone in the show was wrong, regardless.

I'm pretty sure Littlefinger+Lysa is the same in the books as well. Littlefinger has been busy, think of all the stuff we already know he did, via the show:

1) Seduced Lysa, convinced her to kill Jon, convinced her to write the letter to Cat saying that Lannisters killed Jon, thus getting Ned Stark to King's Landing
2) Told Cat that the dagger that stabbed Bran belonged to Tyrion, which led to her arresting Tyrion, which led directly to the war
3) Betrayed Ned Stark via the Gold Cloaks
4) Was instrumental in killing Joffrey
5) "Rescued" Sansa, and who knows what he's going to do with her

He's had a much bigger part in everything than it seemed at first.

[Del Murder]

Littlefinger/Lysa being behind Jon Arryn's murder and framing the Lannisters has to be a retcon. It doesn't make any sense in the context of the first season.

How so? It turns out everyone was lying/ignorant in season 1, not really surprising.
So you think that was Martin's plan from the beginning when he wrote book 1? Seems far fetched that the whole story was for Jon to be poisoned by Lysa who was working for Littlefinger who was working for the Lannisters but was really framing the Lannisters in order to start some conflict with the Starks for...not sure what purpose.

Either Littlefinger is designed to be the most clever, devious person in all of Westeros or Martin just likes to use him as the reason for things that otherwise would be unexplained.

[Bolivar]

Either Littlefinger is designed to be the most clever, devious person in all of Westeros or

That truthfully is how Martin designed him. In ASoS he shows up completely out of nowhere on the boat that Sansa is taken to and it changes everything you thought you knew about the series up to that point. At least that's how it went down the first time I read it.

[Freya]

The podrick scenes were adorable.

And Jojen to the plot rescue.

[Shorty]

I really, really enjoyd Cersei's and Margaery's little chat at the beginning. It seemed clear to me at first that Cersei was intending to intimidate Margaery, and then she exposed weakness to her in a sense, admitting that her son doesn't need her help, but the help of another. I wonder if it's a trick somehow. Cersei doesn't seem the type to just roll over when her territory is being threatened. Then again, she is stricken with grief over Joffrey still, and grief makes people behave strangely.

SORRY BUT ROBIN ARRYN IS FREAKING ADORABLE AS A LITTLE TEEN BOY OR WHATEVER EVEN IF HE IS A LITTLE trout

ALSO I DO NOT smurfING REMEMBER THAT BUSINESS ABOUT LYSA AND LITTLEFINGER PLOTTING TO KILL JON ARRYN WAS THAT smurfING REVEALED IN THE BOOK BECAUSE I DO NOT REMEMBER IT Lysa's actress is so damn good at playing her part, jesus. She's so good. Poor Sansa, though, good god. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

It's interesting to see Cersei being so civil about her marriage and when Tywin advised her he could not discuss the trial with her.

Pod is just the sweetest damn thing and he's so determined to be a squire oh my goodness the look of gratitude and enthusiasm on his face after brienne tells him to her her with his straps ;_______________;

I don't recall the name of the pleasant gentleman leading Craster's, but he just makes those smurfing scenes for me. I cringe whenever I see him. I loved him in The Dark Knight Rises and I love him in this, even if he's the worst smurfing villain beside Joffrey and Ramsay and that's why he's smurfing brilliant.

Can someone remind me who the dude was who was trying to kidnap Bran?

I'm really glad for Craster's wives standing up for themselves and not willing to go with the Night's Watch. I was beginning to question how logical it was that they would be comfortable with the Night's Watch there anyway, regardless if they came to save them or otherwise. That was a more believable path for them to me, I'm glad they took it.

A bit disappointed with the ending, though. Somehow. Don't know why. But it was so good to see Jon so happy to have Ghost back. I am really loving his character development.

AND HOW MUCH smurfING LONGER ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE TRIAL THIS IS GETTING ABSURD

I would have liked to see more Jaime in this episode.

And I find myself less and less impressed with The Hound/Arya scenes. Arya is so annoying to me now, god, I can hardly stand her.

[Dr Unne]

Littlefinger/Lysa being behind Jon Arryn's murder and framing the Lannisters has to be a retcon. It doesn't make any sense in the context of the first season.

How so? It turns out everyone was lying/ignorant in season 1, not really surprising.
So you think that was Martin's plan from the beginning when he wrote book 1? Seems far fetched that the whole story was for Jon to be poisoned by Lysa who was working for Littlefinger who was working for the Lannisters but was really framing the Lannisters in order to start some conflict with the Starks for...not sure what purpose.

Either Littlefinger is designed to be the most clever, devious person in all of Westeros or Martin just likes to use him as the reason for things that otherwise would be unexplained.

I just re-read the first book recently. Littlefinger is set up with clear motivations from the beginning. They touched on it briefly on the show but they flesh out the story more in the books. The big motivation is being rejected by Catelyn as a child. She was betrothed to Brandon Stark (Ned's brother), Littlefinger challenged Brandon a duel and Brandon beat the crap out of him to the point that he was bedridden for weeks. Cat left and the next time Littlefinger saw her was when she showed up in King's Landing with the dagger. He's clearly still enamoured with her though she always saw him as a brother. He has pretty good reason not to like Ned Stark, since she ended up with him. I always saw that as a big part of why he betrayed Ned. That's also likely a big part of why he took Sansa with him to the Eyrie. He's always doing a lot of creepy hair-touching and "You look just like your mom"ming in the show when it comes to Sansa.

The second motivation is his low station. His family is lord of the Fingers, which is a reeeeeeeeally small crappy bit of land on the ocean, which is maybe partly why he couldn't be betrothed to Cat. People call him Littlefinger because of his land (and because he's short). He clearly has ambitions to be more and he's clearly got some issues about it. My read on his character is him getting back at everyone who he feels looked down on him or mistreated him in his life. He's accumulated a lot of power at this point and he's revelling in throwing it around. He's also just twisted/crazy/evil like everyone else in the GoT universe. Up to the point we're at in the show I don't think he ever had a point-of-view chapter from him yet, which lends his character a lot of mystery still. That's all just my take on it.

Lysa is also set up as being completely unhinged from the beginning. I wasn't surprised at all that she was behind Jon's death. Jon was planning to send his son to foster with Stannis or some other lord, to get him away from his mom, because his mom is being a bad influence. Maybe the whole breast-feeding-him-at-age-6 thing had something to do with it... blergh. All Lysa cares about is keeping her son around. Shorty is right, her actress is really good. She and her son creep the crap out of me.

Whether GRRM planned all of this ahead of time or came up with it as he wrote the latter books, beats me. As of book one / season one of the show, who poisoned Jon and who was responsible for attacking Bran with the dagger are both left unexplained. As of the end of book one, he must've planned to either explain it later or leave it all a mystery. Either way it makes for a pretty cool story. (Turns out he does eventually explain who was behind both of those things, in the books.)


Can someone remind me who the dude was who was trying to kidnap Bran?

Look a few posts back. :D He's Locke, sent from Roose Bolton after Roose learned from Theon that Bran was still alive. I think he's a show-only character.


And I find myself less and less impressed with The Hound/Arya scenes. Arya is so annoying to me now, god, I can hardly stand her.

I heard people saying how funny that scene was, but I felt really sad for Arya. She can't catch a break.

[Shorty]

Can someone remind me who the dude was who was trying to kidnap Bran?

Look a few posts back. :D He's Locke, sent from Roose Bolton after Roose learned from Theon that Bran was still alive. I think he's a show-only character.

Ah, that's right, that makes sense. I didn't recall him from the book so I wondered.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

He's also responsible for cutting off Jaime's hand :argh:

I've read that Locke is a condensed version of a book character called Vargo Hoat

[Shorty]

He's also responsible for cutting off Jaime's hand :argh:

I've read that Locke is a condensed version of a book character called Vargo Hoat

Oh, of course he's the replacement for Vargo Hoat. I wonder why they did away with him.

[Raistlin]

I agree with Unne re: Littlefinger. I'm not a GRRM fanboy either, as I've repeatedly said that the books are overrated, but I don't consider the Littlefinger reveal to be a retcon. Surprising, sure, but a natural progression. First he betrays Ned, which, by itself, was an isolated instance of conniving (though there are some suspicions of greater plans, as he likely lied about the knife of Bran's attempted assassin) -- except for the fact that he led Ned through the "investigation" which resulted in the fatal conflict with Cersei in the first place. And then you find out he plotted to kill Joffrey and frame Tyrion and take Sansa, which shows even more underhandedness and scheming. Just when you thought that was the big reveal, he's shown as being the one behind setting the scene as far back as book 1.

He's an opportunist. When the Queen of Thorns wanted Joffrey dead, Littlefinger stepped in. When other powerful figures wanted Jon Aryn dead before that, Littlefinger was also there -- and has been there to take advantage of what resulted at every opportunity. Power and revenge are all that matters. The whole theme of the books/show is that ruthless scheming is what succeeds, and Littlefinger has clearly been the epitome -- even a caricature -- of that principle.

Didn't Varys say that Littlefinger was the most dangerous man in Westeros? I don't think he was joking.

[Del Murder]

I agree it makes sense in the grand scheme of things, but it seemed like an afterthought rather than the result of good planning. It was just weird that Littlefinger appeared out of nowhere to be 'the one behind it all' after not being on the show for a while. Seemed a little too convenient.

At least it makes you think. This was another strong episode. Season 4 is turning out to be the best season yet and there's still half of it to go!

[Shiny]

sarah make this your avatar pls

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Rofl

I realize that a lot of these actors in this show are really good at doing the freak smile.

[Psychotic]

Littlefinger wants to sit the Iron Throne. That's his goal. That's not a book spoiler as it's never been explicitly stated anywhere, but that's what he's up to, I am sure of it. That and he wants to bone Sansa because of his unfulfilled Cat love. Look at the turmoil the simple act of Jon Arryn's death has caused and how that one trigger has caused things to spiral out of control. Now that he's married into the Vale with Lysa at his whim and Robin a weak child that's one of the great houses under his control already.

There was also a scene early on in the first season when Arya is in King's Landing and hears Varys and Illyrio plotting to set Stark and Lannister against each other to weaken the realm and get Viserys/Dany on the throne. They wanted to slow things down until the Dothraki were ready but it's clear that Littlefinger's scheming has sped things up. I'm not going into book spoilers here, by the way, just wanted to explain this and why people set out to achieve it.
Littlefinger who was working for the Lannisters but was really framing the Lannisters in order to start some conflict with the Starks for...not sure what purpose.

[Ayen]

AND HOW MUCH smurfING LONGER ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE TRIAL THIS IS GETTING ABSURD

I get the feeling it won't happen until closer to the end of the season.

[Shiny]

According to the next on that comes on after every episode, the trial is the next episode.

I guess you people torrent your Game of Thrones.

EDIT: http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/game-of-thrones/235319/game-of-thrones-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-preview

[Formalhaut]

Not sure what to think of Cersei this episode. She's been so cordial, a real change compared to previous episodes. What's happened?

[Jess]

A lot of people I know have said this episode sucked, I am so confused!

Littlefingers long term game playing finally coming to light? Awesome. The Adventures of Pod and Brienne? Awesome. A sword through the back of the head of the evil Nights Watch guy? Awesome. The Hound? Awesome. Mental Lysa? Awesome.

That being said, this episode did seem shorter to me than the other episodes & I'm not sure why... Was it?

Next episode needs more Varys, Wildlings and murder trial.

[Shorty]

Agreed, more Varys!

[Shaibana]

I guess you people torrent your Game of Thrones.


i watch it on the internet

[Jinx]

Was Varys even in this episode?

Jess, it probably felt short to you because they didn't really spend much time on one segment. Each segment only lasted a few minutes, and some characters only got a few minutes screen time.

And of course the worst fucking plotline (North of the Wall) got the most coverage this time.

[Formalhaut]

Was Varys even in this episode?

Jess, it probably felt short to you because they didn't really spend much time on one segment. Each segment only lasted a few minutes, and some characters only got a few minutes screen time.

And of course the worst smurfing plotline (North of the Wall) got the most coverage this time.

I disagree. I think the Jon Snow/Crows storyline is pretty damn interesting. Bran and co., much less so.

[Ayen]

Was Varys even in this episode?

He was one of the people bowing to King Tommen. You got to see the back of his head.

[Jinx]

Was Varys even in this episode?

He was one of the people bowing to King Tommen. You got to see the back of his head.

NEEDS MORE VARYS

Formy: yeah, Jon's story has never interested. Not from season one, not when I read the books, and certainly not now. Bran's story was interesting until the Reeds arrived. And North of the Wall is just a boring location to me. I don't really feel the White Walkers either. For me, it's just not something I'm into.

This season's/book's most interesting stories to me currently are: Sansa, Danaerys, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's about it. This season has actually kind of been boring the heck out of me, really.

[Formalhaut]

Fair enough.

Just saw the trailer for next episode. Stannis makes a return in the episode, Varys actually has a few lines as does the return of the small council actually having a meeting. Dany has more time, and the trial finally begins. Furthermore, Yara Greyjoy finally returns to the fold once more.

Feel free to watch it for yourself. I'm pretty excited!

[Jinx]

Stannis, ugh.

Some parts of the trial might be very interesting indeed. But I am just so tired of this storyline too.

[Jess]

Was Varys even in this episode?

Jess, it probably felt short to you because they didn't really spend much time on one segment. Each segment only lasted a few minutes, and some characters only got a few minutes screen time.

And of course the worst fucking plotline (North of the Wall) got the most coverage this time.
Yeah, and for some reason there were only 2 ad breaks. Usually there are like 4! I'm not complaining, though. Having watched all the others on DVD, I really hate the ad breaks.

I really like Jon's story on the show. In the books, it's certainly not my favourite.

On the show, I think I like Bran's story the least, at least for now.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I didn't want to see the main rebel of the night's watch get killed at the end of this episode. I mean, it does make sense for the story but I really enjoy Burn Gorman as an actor.

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[McLovin']

It was apparently 1 minute shorter than previous episodes :o

[Jess]

One whole minute? I feel robbed! :mad2:

[Jinx]

THOSE BASTARDS

[Ayen]

I never cared much for Jon Snow and the Night Watch in the previous seasons. Don't know what it is about this season, but suddenly I find myself enjoying Jon more and more each episode.

[Jiro]

I got whiplash from Locke. At first I hated him because dude you can't just cut off people's hands. And then I liked him because oh he's being a bro with Jon that's nice. And then he's a TRAITOROUS BASTARD SMURF

[Freya]

http://i.imgur.com/MOG3hsu.jpg

[Ayen]

The results don't surprise me.

[Kalevala]

Littlefinger wants to sit the Iron Throne. That's his goal. That's not a book spoiler as it's never been explicitly stated anywhere, but that's what he's up to, I am sure of it.

I'm not quite so sure. I think Littlefinger realizes the Irone Throne is nothing more than a mere pastiche of true power. As Tywin has demonstrated, those with real power are the ones lurking behind the scenes.

[Loony BoB]

Just wanna say that Littlefinger was pretty blatant in his "I am a bad guy, I am here to take the Iron Throne" agenda when he had a discussion with Varys earlier in the series. Danielle and I are always pretty quick to add Littlefinger to the list of suspects for Anything That Goes Wrong.

[Quindiana Jones]

It seems clear that Littlefinger is after power, but I don't think he necessarily wants Iron Throne power. I reckon that if he has any opposition to the throne as it stands, it's the Lannister aspect because that family are a considerable force. I think he'd be happy enough with a more malleable king on the throne.

[*Devore*]

He definitely wants to be the man controlling the Iron Throne from behind the scenes and not actually be king. Pretty sure he says that in the first season in a conversation with Varys, I think.

[blackmage_nuke]

He definitely wants to be the man controlling the Iron Throne from behind the scenes and not actually be king. Pretty sure he says that in the first season in a conversation with Varys, I think.

Littlefinger lies. Thats his thing.

[Shorty]

He definitely wants to be the man controlling the Iron Throne from behind the scenes and not actually be king. Pretty sure he says that in the first season in a conversation with Varys, I think.

Littlefinger lies. Thats his thing.

Does he say it? I think it is heavily implied.

Either Littlefinger is working for someone who is going to shock us, or he really does aim to be the most powerful man in King's Landing. A conversation with he and Cersei about power comes to mind. He has a high opinion of himself, thinks himself very clever, betrays others when it benefits him. He is very good at playing a pawn, but I don't think he wants to be one always.

[Madame Adequate]

http://i.imgur.com/MOG3hsu.jpg

And this is why you don't cancel a show before it's had time to get going, Fox.

Anyway yeah great episode, it seems like not much happens south of Craster's but actually this may be one of the most important episodes to date. Dany realizes conquest and rule are different things, we learn that Littlefinger's been behind things since Season 1, Arya sees that maybe she's not yet good enough to kill "every fucking person in Westeros", Cersei's either broken or up to SOMETHING bad, she's never that civil, and yeah all kinds of stuff.

I think one issue with the pacing was that the episode seemed to largely focus on one area/group, do their part in full, then move onto the next one. Usually they jump between different groups several times throughout an episode.

[Del Murder]

I actually prefer that to all the jumping around. In fact I would prefer to watch a whole season devoted to Dany's storyline and ending it right when she arrives in Westeros (finally) and then ignoring her in the main storyline until the last season. Similarly for Jon and Bran's stories. This is an issue I have with the books as well. I have to turn back several (hundred sometimes) pages to the last POV chapter for that character in order to remind myself what happened in their story last. It's silly!

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Am I the only person who thinks Nikolaj kinda looks like Jon Bernthal?

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[Del Murder]

Almost definitely.

[Shaibana]

Am I the only person who thinks Nikolaj kinda looks like Jon Bernthal?

5409754098
i think u are

Lost, (???) sawyer, no idea what the actor is called.. its more the hair then anything else, but still ^^http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-131OEq4Y54A/T2ahwRLQNAI/AAAAAAAAAqQ/kJ_I5lhqEvE/s1600/1x03_Sawyer_Gun.png

[Pike]

54101

[Ayen]

Daniel Handler would be proud.

[Shiny]

Am I the only person who thinks Nikolaj kinda looks like Jon Bernthal?

5409754098
Not seeing the resemblance tbh. I see it with Sawyer though.

[Jinx]

I see the resemblance a bit in their schnozzes.

Definitely for Sawyer.

[Shlup]

I feel like Unne and Psy went over the Littlefinger/Lysa thing well enough, but I feel the need to remind ya'll that chaos is a ladder. Bitch is climbing.

Littlefinger has mentioned a couple of times that he boned Cat, but Lysa mentioned in the last episode that it was her that he boned. Lysa has always been all about Littlefinger, but he wanted Cat and their father wouldn't let him marry either of them. He wants power, he wants wealth, and he wants the woman who scorned him. Or her daughter, apparently.

[Agent Proto]

http://i.imgur.com/INYmuza.jpg
Ser Pounce!

[Shorty]

https://24.media.tumblr.com/66d114959a1efb875c6d899974c273c1/tumblr_n4ul3nDfil1qk2t5co1_500.jpg

http://37.media.tumblr.com/42c73185883ed22d62901a969be9d84d/tumblr_n54xf558h51qk2t5co1_500.jpg

oh my god some of these are so good xD

http://24.media.tumblr.com/4e7a101cb2fd7cafccc70d506e9a3d3b/tumblr_n4wworvjqy1qk2t5co1_500.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/7ade76abe60933e16de3f918ab5897be/tumblr_llqc78DYUM1qk2t5co1_r1_500.jpg

http://37.media.tumblr.com/77b16a2983ed623adec1a0c8d2780cb9/tumblr_n41jd3hjvG1qk2t5co1_500.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/d24430b9fa51cf7d9409a0658c759515/tumblr_n435z8ND6J1qk2t5co1_500.jpg

ahahahaha that last one is slaying me xD

[Jinx]

Oh my god. Oh my god.

[Shaibana]

im guessing those are quotes from different movies? with the exception of the b-day

i dunno.. i dont get them

[The Man]

Arrested Development. Go watch it now. It's quite possibly the funniest show in television history. Make sure you start from the beginning though or the jokes won't make any sense.

[Jinx]

Arrested Development. Go watch it now. It's quite possibly the funniest show in television history. Make sure you start from the beginning though or the jokes won't make any sense.

This. Arrested Development is a show that I recommend to EVERYONE. It starts a liiiiittle slow (like most sitcoms) but it picks up pretty quickly. Every single character on the show is a horrible human being (much like GoT) and it's just delightful.

[Shaibana]

a sitcom? Nope!

[Jinx]

If you like funny things, you'll like it. It's not directed in the style of most sitcoms.

[The Man]

Arrested Development is a sitcom in the same way Stagecoach is a western. It transcends its genre to be one of the very best examples of its medium (in this case, comedic television series) ever made.

[Ayen]

I died as soon as I made it to the twin one. This is my ghost. Hi, guys. Now to answer the question that has been on everyone's mind.

Going through walls is a very tedious experience and it isn't any fun at all. Ghost movies are lying to you!

[The Man]

Incidentally, my favourite Arrested Westeros is probably still:

http://37.media.tumblr.com/8cdacab434aed425c01c2253f42fe359/tumblr_mnutokz7EY1qk2t5co1_500.jpg

[Del Murder]

So far a 'king' has died every season:

Season 1 - King Robert
Season 2 - King Renly
Season 3 - King Robb
Season 4 - King Joffrey

Does that mean Stannis, Balon Greyjoy, or Tommen will bite it in Season 5?

[Shorty]

Who was the third king Stannis named with the leeches?

[Jinx]

Who was the third king Stannis named with the leeches?

Balon Greyjoy.

[Mirage]

I wish I was better at remembering names. I can't recall who half of these guys you're talking about are. Not because I don't remember them, though. I don't forget their faces and what they did, just their nametags.

[Dr Unne]

So far a 'king' has died every season:

Season 1 - King Robert
Season 2 - King Renly
Season 3 - King Robb
Season 4 - King Joffrey

Does that mean Stannis, Balon Greyjoy, or Tommen will bite it in Season 5?

Other currently-living monarchs include the King-Beyond-the-Wall Mance Rayder and Daenerys Targaryen. Everyone's fair game!

[Pike]

So this is insane http://www.buzzfeed.com/ailbhemalone/this-make-up-artist-transformed-herself-into-four-game-of-th

[Del Murder]

So far a 'king' has died every season:

Season 1 - King Robert
Season 2 - King Renly
Season 3 - King Robb
Season 4 - King Joffrey

Does that mean Stannis, Balon Greyjoy, or Tommen will bite it in Season 5?

Other currently-living monarchs include the King-Beyond-the-Wall Mance Rayder and Daenerys Targaryen. Everyone's fair game!
Ah, fair point. I think it's Greyjoy or Mance to get it next. I guess Mance is still slowly making his way through the tundra at this point? It's taking long enough.

[Jinx]

So this is insane http://www.buzzfeed.com/ailbhemalone/this-make-up-artist-transformed-herself-into-four-game-of-th

Pretty decent, although I've seen better.