Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Bubba]

We have four episodes of season 6 to rewatch then I'm all set!

I reckon someone will die at some point.

[Freya]

I forgot to post this here yesterday but here if you haven't seen it yet!

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[Bubba]

The last two episodes of season six I think are my favourite of the entire series. The build up in the first 20 minutes of the final episode leading to the wildfire destruction was masterful.

[Night Fury]

Changed my set to good ol' bad bitch of Westeros, Cersei.

I dunno that I'm feeling much like Cersei though...

Who is everyone else claiming?

[Bubba]

My sets so far have included The Wall, the bear that Brienne fights in that pit... and Jamie Lannister's hand. I am still contemplating what my set will be for the new series.

We should all get ourselves kitted out for the start of July!

[Night Fury]

My sets so far have included The Wall, the bear that Brienne fights in that pit... and Jamie Lannister's hand. I am still contemplating what my set will be for the new series.

We should all get ourselves kitted out for the start of July!

This year you could be "that leftover splatter stain of Tommen on the sidewalk"

[theundeadhero]

I've always really enjoyed Cersei as a character. I mean, I don't like her, but she's well written and even better acted.

I'm not sure who I want to be this time around. It will take some consideration.

[Tyson]

I have watched this new trailer like 20 times now :lol:

It's crazy to think there are only 13 episodes left, I started watching when season 1 was first airing and it has been such a big part of my life ever since. I've had so many conversations about it with friends and ex's I don't even see anymore. It is going to be so strange when its over but I'm glad they are going out with a bang. This season seems completely action packed!

[FFNut]

I am still holding out hope that Jorah Mormont is the prince that was promised. Also think we may get the Clogahn bowl this year... Hopefully.

[theundeadhero]

I think I'm going to be Beric Dondarrion this season. I have no doubt he'll die, but it sounds like a good choice.

[Jinx]

Pretty sure I did Cersei last year, and might do her again this year. She is everything. :heart:

[Del Murder]

I don't know if we will see Cersei's Last Stand this season or next season, but either way it should be glorious. If she somehow tries to employ the Walkers into her unholy army, that would be fantastic.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Turn around, touch the ground, triple lock no returns bagsy Granny Tyrell.

[theundeadhero]

I am still holding out hope that Jorah Mormont is the prince that was promised.This would be interesting. The original failed tempering his flaming sword twice before finally succeeding. He had to sacrifice his love by tempering it in the heart of his wife. For Jorah to forge his sword he would have to plunge it through Danny's heart! Maybe she takes over Westeros, but is a horrible Queen and making bad decisions fighting the White Walkers. Jorah realizes what is at stake, then kills her for the good of the realm, becoming tPtwP in the process.

[The Captain]

Finally all caught up on the episodes, just in time for the new season.

Though the news that we are much closer to the end, and with smaller seasons is a bit sad, it makes sense from a budget side as looks like each episode will have major setpieces happening which cost lots of money.

Still, I hope sincerely that each character who has made it this far gets their due and isn't just thrust into a battle and killed unceremoniously to keep the story moving.

I'm especially interested in the fates of Theon, Davos and Jorah Mormont. In much the same way as Jamie, Theon now seems like a character who will try and find some more redemption for all the horrible acts he undertook. What sort of justice does he deserve? Davos remains possibly my favorite character in the entire series for a variety of reasons, from his honor to his sense of humor even in the darkest of moments and Jorah is perhaps the most tragic example of being "friend zoned" in history. I don't think they both make it but I hope so.

Though everything seems like it's building to an inevitable Jon Snow and Dany team up against the White Walkers, I hope there is something more tricky up the show's sleeve. It has always been a story that defied conventions, so for it to become a more or less chosen ones beat back evil in the end would lessen it just a bit in my book. I still think Martin and the show runners have a few more gut punches left too. Between the Red Wedding, the fate of Oberyn, the Night's Watch mutiny, That damn door holding and Cersei's revenge, they've proven they can upend the chessboard over and over.

As for some darkhorse and wild speculation: I kinda want to see Meera Reed turn up to be Azor, just because it would be so out of nowhere and she did have to kill someone she loved dearly. Highly unlikely of course. That or it turns out there is no Prince that was Promised at all. Or maybe... she has to kill Bran?

I don't think Cersei gets her comeuppance until Season 8 but who the heck knows at this point? What if all the Lannisters end up being extinguished, much like a certain other noble house that now has a song written about them?

Finally, I think Littlefinger gets ripped apart by Nymeria on behalf of Arya and Sansa. Warms my heart, even if its pure fan fiction.

Take care all.

[Night Fury]

Pretty sure I did Cersei last year, and might do her again this year. She is everything. :heart:

I did Cersei last year, you were Yara Greyjoy :razz:

[Jinx]

Oh, I was, wasn't I?

[Night Fury]

Not long now!

Who is going to die first?

[Bubba]

Imagine if no-one died this series?

[escobert]

I liked the episode, I liked how they set up all the story lines for the season. I can't wait for more! That opening scene was awesome!

[Freya]

Bubba was ranting to me about it. I didn't care. Hell professor slughorn warning sam potter not to go to the restricted section of the Hogwarts library didn't bother me, bubba just hates ed. Lmao

I'll share more of my opinion on the first episode in the morning.

[Del Murder]

Opening scene was awesome, rest of episode kept me interested and was nice re-introduction to all the plotlines after a long break.

[Psychotic]

Opening scene was awesome, rest of episode kept me interested and was nice re-introduction to all the plotlines after a long break.This. Plus special shout out to The Hound. I hadn't realised how badly I missed his sour pragmatism and casual c-bomb dropping in my life.

[Psychotic]

I overreacted to Ed's appearance. I shouldn't have let that detract from what was an excellent first episode back. Sorry for ranting, Kaycee.To be fair, it was pretty hamfisted. Like, oh, I just wrote a new song, tee-hee. And oh look at that, after six seasons of portraying Lannister soldiers as sociopathic murder-thieves, Ed happens to be part of a squad of the nicest sweetest gents in the Seven Kingdoms.

[Night Fury]

Was there any need for Ed Sheeran?

[Jinx]

Was there any need for Ed Sheeran?

Has there every been any need for Ed Sheeran?

It was an okay episode. I'd give it a solid B. The opening scene was definitely the gem of the episode. I'm ashamed at how long it took me to realize it was Arya (when he started talking about how they murdered a pregnant woman...ah, yeah, I'm a dope).

Also Tormund's open adoration for Brienne is just too much. I love it.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

There was a lot of exposition in this episode. I know it's kind of par for the course for a season opener to set the stage of what's to come, but in the back of my mind I think I was expecting a little more because we already trimmed the fat of 3 episodes this season.

I was surprised the opening credits didn't replace the stag with a lion on King's Landing.

Euron looks like he could be fronting a goth rock band. It's my favorite outfit so far.

I like the idea of the Lord of Light showing the Hound visions in the flames, and I thought wouldn't it be cool if the thing he was afraid of became a huge source of power for him.

I would have cared more for the last scene if I cared about Dany at all, but she's probably my least favorite character.

[Night Fury]

Euron looks like the love child of bam margera and ryan dunn

[Freya]

OKAY THEORIES TIME, thoughts as well, and slight spoilers from the trailers if you haven't watched them:



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After her revenge killing I thought they set her up to just be wrecking trout. But after the Ed Sheeran scene that everyone seems to hate because they all have hate boners for him, I think it served to humanize her a little bit and realize that not all of the lannister men are bad, that many are just conscripted men who are forced to fight someone else's war. She also learned how they are not able to eat much so the army is weaker with that, and that they aren't really feeling being in the army at all anymore. This coupled with the brief Wolf snip in the trailer makes me believe ---

I think she's going to a) meet back up with Nymeria b) realize she needs to survive as a pack and not a lone wolf, even though one wolf did eat all the sheep recently. So she'll be heading back to Winterfell to join her family.

I do think that she'll meet up with the red woman though because last time they met she had told Arya they'd meet again.


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Jon is going to receive Sam's Raven and be like "oh trout gotta go meet the dragon queen." And then they bang. Cause why not. But for some reason in the trailers he's seen running with tormund? Whom this episode he told to go to man Eastwatch. WHICH is where Berric, Thoros, and the Hound are going. WHO were also glimpsed in the same scene of cold snow with Jon and Tormund. So Jon has to go to eastwatch for something. So he's going to do some crazy travelling all the way to dragonstone then back up to eastwatch. MAYBE ON THE BACK OF A DRAGON?!

Also I think Jon is choking out Littlefinger next episode.


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Sassy Sansa to Littlefinger gave me life. So Sansa doesn't agree with Jon and I think littlefinger is going to try to push this point. But Jon smurfs him up for it because they're still siblings. I think he leaves her to be in charge of winterfell when he goes to see Dany and then Bran comes back and yay! Then Arya shows up and YAY! Siblings! But Bran is like "trout's about to get smurfed, also Jon is a targaryen." Not sure where else her story will go.



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That wall is smurfing coming down because of him. I'm calling it. They are foreshadowing it too much. Even if it's not because of him, it's coming down. He's going to get back with his siblings and reveal lots of trout or something. There was this shot of him in a wheelchair so he's just going to spoil everything for everyone at winterfell.

I've been saying it for like 4 seasons but that wall is coming down.



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He's going to find out about maybe the horn? I like how he was Sam Potter and Slughorn told him he can't go to the restricted section. Maybe he'll be the one to heal Jorah! That'd be great! Maybe Jorah will be all stone man but able to retain his mind so then he can smurf trout up.


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Euron and Cersei are going to cause some Havoc. Did you see those smurfing boats? That was like a fortress on the goddamn water. She'll eventually lose but they'll put up a damn good fight before hand. That Navy is ridic. Dany's is going to have trouble and he'll probably capture someone as his 'gift', probably his niece or nephew. Cause of the Season trailer we saw...

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She's gonna smurf some trout up. The scene of her finally getting home, no one says a thing and let's her soak it in. Then she doesn't sit on the throne because that's not what she's here for. She goes to the war room and "Shall we begin?" ing it.

So I think she's gonna bang jon. But She'll be more focused on defeating cersei than on whatever Jon is wanting. Which I guess is why jon goes to Eastwatch? Maybe to prove something cause no one smurfing believes him.

She's gonna smurf up the lannisters and it's going to be glorious.



Gendry is coming back, he was at the premiere.

They're taking Casterly Rock.

My Zombie Bear WILL be in this season cause, please, I need it.

The Night's King is going to kill a dragon and raise it. That'd be so bad but sooooo cool.

[Shaibana]

alright, now that GoT has begun i have a reason to be back here <3 hi all!

still and always rockin' little lady Lyanna Mormont!

[Freya]

Also Here's the Next episode trailer for those who haven't seen it

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[Shaibana]

i will not watch it, just as i havent watched any trailers or read anything GoT related on the internet because spoilers are the worst!!
knowing nothing is the best if you want to keep it exciting. i've already had alot of shows/movies ruined by watching to many trailers


Also Here's the Next episode trailer for those who haven't seen it

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as for the need of Ed Sheeran: there was no need, but that was not the point.
he just really wanted to star in the show and so he did :3..

edit: gotta keep up the traditions
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[Psychotic]

I've read the leaks, Kaycee. Your "theories" don't fool me :colbert:


...I liked the presentation with the gifs though :shobon:

[Shaibana]

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[Del Murder]

Oh yeah, my only complaint yesterday was that the Sam shoveling shit montage went way too long.

[Jinx]

I like that the Sam montage made the shit and soup look exactly the same. A++.

RE: Gendry
He's definitely gonna get a chance for his arms to rest, this season. Rob and I watched last season's finale last night and were talking about how Cersei became queen. I said something along the lines of, it actually makes sense because Tommen has no heirs. WHO THE FUCK IS MEANT TO TAKE THE THRONE ALL THE BARATHEONS ARE GONE. And then Rob mentioned something about Gendry, and I was like, "Oh shit, yeah, I'm pretty sure he's confirmed he's coming back this season".

Sooo

[Freya]

I've read the leaks, Kaycee. Your "theories" don't fool me :colbert:


...I liked the presentation with the gifs though :shobon:

I posted a few months ago with some spoilers I read that were "leaked" but Noped out of them after that. So more than that, I'm not sure about. And even then, I'm not sure if those leaked spoilers are accurate or not. My post above is purely from what i'm gathering from what they are showing so far across the show and media promoting. Outside of my general theories spoiler. :monster:

[Psychotic]

Well then you gotta know that "The Night's King is going to kill a dragon and raise it." was leaked to high hell and back. You can't move for people talking about that now.

[Freya]

yeah found my post from before



Zombie bear will be in it finally.

It kills thoros. Dondarrion now only has one life.

Drogon likes Jon. So you know ;) ;) happens. Not with the dragons, god.

Arya and Bran both get back to winterfell :D So does sam and gilly!

Viserion falls to the white walker army and wrecks shit as a zombie dragon thing, including the wall!



Well there's been plenty of sightings though. So many that i'm hyped. That's stuff that is actually happening. The above is not confirmed so take it with a grain of salt if you read it. But seriously don't read it if you don't want spoiled. It will spoil nearly the whole omg and the plot.

I'm hoping those are all true but I'm still wary of them being confirmed or not. Most of them seem pretty logical though. The Starks and sam and gilly getting to winterfell seems obvious. Jon banging Dany seems to be a natural thing people want. The zombie bear I've been asking for since season 2. THe only thing that's not that obvious is the viserion thing but then I have been saying the wall coming down thing for several seasons and think i've mentioned before even it'd be cool to have an ice dragon.

So i'm not too sure about those leaks but I do like them if they're true.

[Freya]

I want the wall coming down on the season finale.

I want Cersei to smurf trout up (negatively) on the season finale.

I want Arya to pop back in at westeros somehow on the finale.

Other things I want..... More dragons smurfing trout up?

Also, really all but the wall? It was hinted at strongly though that something will happen with the magic of the wall since Benjen mentioned it and Bran has been touched by the Night's King and htat's how he got into the wierwood tree with the Three eyed raven. So I feel confident that next season i'm going to get some grand thing with the wall. I want it to come down though haha I think that' would be so freaking cool to see this huge wall just explode and come crumbling down.

I guess the Dragons didn't smurf anything up but they looked cool flying everywhere!

Seeeeeee Am I bad for wanting the wall to fall so much?

[Jinx]

been exercising
eating healthy for over a week
and for once i didn't click the spoilers

i'm growing up, guys

[Aulayna]

I still can't stand Arya. I think even with the realisation that not all in the Lannister army are evil, she's gone a fair few notches up on the "your actions are going to result in you getting skewered" scale.

Sansa sassing Littlefinger was the best.

Jaime will potentially turn on his sister if he catches wind of what's at stake. I can potentially even see him being the one to kill her.

Cersei will be a totalitarian meglomaniac until the bitter end.

Dany clearly means business already. Though will probably act brashly and suffer for it.

I wonder if the Hound actually saw anything in the fire, or just spouted shit because he knew they'd turn on him at some point.

[The Captain]

Ah, glad to have new GoT to talk about.

I did not read any of the leaked spoilers, so my theories could be way, way off.

I really enjoyed this re-booted Euron. I did read about how his character was being given a bit of a soft remix after coming out of nowhere last season and his wild, chaotic angle could be a fun mix. I think his gift HAS to be someone Cersei wants dead, but who is left? Tyrion maybe? But how could he possibly get to him when he's so close to Dany? Based on trailers, maybe it's Theon or Yara, but why wouldn't he just kill them as they have no real connection to Cersei?

Was anyone else half expecting something to come out and attack The Hound and Thoros when they were burying the bodies? The mist and snow seemed to be the same as the one we saw early in with the White Walkers. Frankly, I'm glad Thoros, Beric and The Hound are going to be playing a more prominent part in the story again. I find their dynamic fascinating. The Hound in particular is in my opinion the crowning achievement in GoT's character shading. He has gone from just a henchmen type to perhaps be one of the most reluctant heroes in the entire story and I think this added twist of perhaps seeing things in the flames makes him even more important. We're totally sure about his parentage, right?

The Jon and Sansa story gets more interesting by the day and I'm convinced that something will pull Jon away and Sansa will now have to really run the show for the first time and see if she can put into practice everything she's learned along the way.

Arya, as others have said, was veering toward just becoming an out and out killer, so I think the Lannister concert scene was meant to remind her that she needs to lose some of her "No One Nihilism" and find some empathy again. Perhaps seeing her wolf again will help? Or Gendry? Or dare I hope it, Jon?

Bran finally, his story remains a puzzle to me. I think he must exist for something beyond just knowledge. Otherwise, doesn't he just sort of serve the same purpose as Sam? Someone who can advise and help out? I think the fact that he can quite possibly interact with time will in fact become more and more important.

Season openers are usually the episodes that re-set the board, so I'm expecting things to really kick into gear next week.

Take care all.

[Jinx]

I just assumed the gift Euron intended to get for Cersei was a dragon.

[Formalhaut]

I really enjoyed this episode. The cold open was probably the best bit, it was such a dramatic opening even if I knew what was going to happen.

The Ed Sheeran campfire bit was trying to hard. It was too "oh look at us, we're not evil, let's talk about how we dote on our wives." It was pushing the case too hard, basically. Ed Sheeran wasn't even the worst bit, only by association. Of course we'll portray Ed Sheeran as this folksy kind-hearted soldier. Now Ed Sheeran being a villain of the week who gets killed, yeah I'm fine with that.

Other than that, and honestly it isn't even that big a deal, I loved the episode.

[Loony BoB]

I didn't mind the Ed scene too much because I like Ed. Wait, wait, wait. I mean I didn't mind the Ed scene too much because aside from the initial singing bit he was barely a part of the scene. It was the other two dudes that did all the talking. At that point he became an extra, as it should be.

Loved everything about the episode personally. Just felt good.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

It's great to see Ed this season, don't understand all the backlash.

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Alright, there was my bad joke for the season.

[Del Murder]

That's not a joke for me. I literally thought that is who you all were talking about. I don't know who this Ed whatever guy is so I was super confused.

[Freya]

He's a popular ginger popstar that people really hate for some reason but his songs keep making top 10. He's part of Taylor Swift's "Squad"

[Jinx]

Wasn't he a massive Brexit supporter?

[Del Murder]

Who's Taylor Swift? Just kidding. :p Though I did have no idea she had a squad.

[Freya]

Wasn't he a massive Brexit supporter?

Looked it up and no, he's not?


“See, that’s the thing. I don’t get involved in politics,” he replied. “But I will say one thing: I was born a European and I smurfing love being a European. You can probably guess my answer from that.”

So that's all I could find on that. I guess He was a Corbyn fan though?

And Yeah taylor has a 'squad' but that is very 2015/16 Taylor. She's been very private after the frenzy when she dated Tom Hiddleston (Loki in Thor). And after the backlash for when kanye had a line in his song about her ("Bitch, I made her famous") last year. He says she authorized it, she came out trying to play victim that she didn't approve that and how dare he attack her again. But then yesterday a year ago, (they're calling it snekday now for how slimy Swift is) Kim Kardashian shared a video via snap chat where she filmed kayne having the conversation with taylor on speaker phone prior to the song release where she DID approve it. So she was just trying to play victim to the public again. Which is also why she's been kinda in social hiding. She didn't even have her big Fourth of July party she usually has each year with her 'squad'. So the squad is kinda fizzling out. Mostly supermodels and other popstars.

basically, I pay attention to celeb news too much.

[Loony BoB]

Ed is great. Also as much as I love Ed Sheeran, I too thought you meant Eddison at first. Who I also love.

People hate Ed Sheeran because he's a big shot pop star but he actually earned his way there with, you know, talent and hard work. People hate him because tall poppy syndrome.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

The Hound looks into the fire and one of the things he describes is "a mountain".

Do you think that was a wink to the audience? Maybe foreshadowing?

[Loony BoB]

Maybe, but it was a mountain in the shape of an arrowhead. I'm not sure his brother has that body type. ;)

[Jinx]

Ed is great. Also as much as I love Ed Sheeran, I too thought you meant Eddison at first. Who I also love.

People hate Ed Sheeran because he's a big shot pop star but he actually earned his way there with, you know, talent and hard work. People hate him because tall poppy syndrome.

also he has a weird face

[Night Fury]

I don't like Ed Sheeran because his last few songs have been utter shite. Pandering to the tween girls nonsense and it's ALWAYS on the radio.

His older songs, like A Team are phenomenal though and I don't discredit him from that. I don't deny he works hard or has talent, but Shape of You was awful awful awful and he needs to pay for that travesty.

[Psychotic]

I don't like or dislike Ed Sheeran. I've never enjoyed pop music so I've never consciously listened to one of his songs and don't intend for that to change. Unlike Del I know who he is, though! I'm perfectly fine with them giving him or anyone else famous a cameo. I just hope that in the future they don't do it in such a stupid way.

[Bubba]

He's a good singer and a good songwriter. The fact he is the main thing we're all talking about proves that his appearance was too prominent. It should have been more subtle like Coldplay's drummer at the red wedding.

I mean, what will we have next? Rihanna cutting dudes down with the Sand Snakes? Justin Beiber training to be a maester? Kim Kardashian whoring it up in one of Littlefinger's brothels? No. Go away.

[Shaibana]

my new car forces me to listen to the radio, so i discovered a couple of his songs. i dont like them, i thought he was a different kind if musician.

i dont hate him tho.. im 'meh' about m

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[theundeadhero]

I'm gonna come out and say it, cause no one else has. I think that episode was lame. Don't give a smurf about Eddy one way or another. Dany coming home and playing in her sandbox had no emotional attachment. It just happened. Bran coming back through the wall was a nothing moment. Maybe they expect us to not understand its significance, or something, but it was boring. Sammies scenes were meh, and its cool he found something to help Jon by breaking rules, but its too much set up not enough now. At least Jorah's arm told us what he's up to, although why he thought the maesters could heal his malady is anyone's guess.

I will say Euron has always been one of my favorite characters, and I enjoyed his little bit.

[Loony BoB]

I love Shape of You. :smash: But then I don't listen to radio stations so I don't have to suffer overplaying. I always find it weird when I remember people listen to radios. Who does that? Car drivers, I suppose... rich bastards with their fancy vehicles.

The fact we're talking about him at all is because he got brought up and we have differing opinions on the matter. If nobody got salty about it then nobody would be talking about it beyond a mention. ;) As for Coldplay's drummer - the fact that you say "Coldplay's drummer" says it all. What's his name? He's not famous. Of course nobody paid attention. I actually didn't even know that was a thing. I thought "Oh it's Ed" for about 10 seconds and then they moved on, everyone else should probably have done so, too, but again - tall poppy syndrome. People don't like Ed because he's a famous singer who knows Taylor Swift and sings pop songs and shit. It's no secret. They could have had Rob Zombie or Alice Cooper in there and nobody would have given two shits, because they're not pop singers. Salty people gonna throw salt, haters gonna hate, etc.

[Formalhaut]

I think it only irks me in so far of that sense of entitlement. He's famous, of course he's going to cameo in a blockbuster television show. I'd rather a cameo spot be given to a regular superfan who's been loyal to the show/books since the very beginning, or something like that. I would've liked it have gone to someone in which this moment would've absolutely wrecked their world, as opposed to someone in which this is 'pretty cool, I can fit this in between Hollywood parties' or whatever famous singers do.

To be fair, for all I know Ed Sheeran could be a massive GoT superfan, so my point may be weakened. Still though, I'd rather it go to the GoT superfan who works two jobs.

It's divisive, no matter where you stand on it. And I think it's a good point that such discussion nearly overshadows the actual episode, which isn't a good look.

[Bubba]

The fact we're talking about him at all is because he got brought up and we have differing opinions on the matter. If nobody got salty about it then nobody would be talking about it beyond a mention. ;) As for Coldplay's drummer - the fact that you say "Coldplay's drummer" says it all. What's his name? He's not famous. Of course nobody paid attention. I actually didn't even know that was a thing. I thought "Oh it's Ed" for about 10 seconds and then they moved on, everyone else should probably have done so, too, but again - tall poppy syndrome. People don't like Ed because he's a famous singer who knows Taylor Swift and sings pop songs and trout. It's no secret. They could have had Rob Zombie or Alice Cooper in there and nobody would have given two trouts, because they're not pop singers. Salty people gonna throw salt, haters gonna hate, etc.

It was just too in your face. If you're a superstar in the real world then they should do more to stick him in the background. I think about Daniel Craig's appearance in The Force Awakens. They knew that having James Bond on screen would be too jarring. Everyone would be like "James Bond has no place in the Star Wars Universe" as it ruins the illusion. So they stick him in a storm troopers outfit and there is no way you could tell it was him unless someone told you.

Ed Sheeran is sat there bold as brass singing away and it completely ruins the immersion. You are reminded that this all just a production instead of being transported to this incredible world.

I don't think I explained that very well but I hope you know what I'm getting at.

[Freya]

I just think you're all whiny babies. You can suspend disbelief that there's dragons and ice zombies but oh no, ed sheeran.

Wah

:roll2

[Jinx]

I just don't like his face.

[The Captain]

http://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/ed-sheeran-was-cast-in-game-of-thrones-as-a-surprise-for-fan-maisie-williams-a3589541.html

So looks like he was cast mostly as a gift to Maisie Williams, which is kinda cool.

Take care all.

[Formalhaut]

I just think you're all whiny babies. You can suspend disbelief that there's dragons and ice zombies but oh no, ed sheeran.

Wah

:roll2

I get it but I also disagree. There being dragons and ice zombies is immersive because it's Game of Thrones. If it was an Ed Sheeran documentary, then dragons would be incredibly immersion-breaking.

What breaks immersion is that it's Ed Sheeran, real-life singer. It just pops out. Weirdly, I feel like I wouldn't mind if Ed Sheeran had been playing 'Lannister Soldier' over a season or two I wouldn't mind nearly as much. It's more the nature of the cameo that breaks immersion for me.

I'd react the same if Lady Gaga had a visual cameo role. Obviously there's people who just dislike Ed Sheeran, but I think it's unfair to say that everyone who disliked the scene disliked it purely because it was Ed Sheeran.

[Del Murder]

I agree. Just like it was really weird seeing Boromir in the first season.

[Formalhaut]

I agree. Just like it was really weird seeing Boromir in the first season.

I think people are willing to suspend disbelief when it's professional actors. But Ed Sheeran isn't a professional actor, so it's more jarring to see him in a show than seeing Sean Bean not be Boromir.

I think. To be honest both sides of this discussion have a point.

[Bubba]

I just think you're all whiny babies. You can suspend disbelief that there's dragons and ice zombies but oh no, ed sheeran.

Wah

:roll2

I was gonna respond to this but Formy summed it up better than I probably ever could.

When you watch something, you are presented with a certain reality. For Game of Thrones, it as all swords, sex, politics, death and dragons. You know what you are getting. Of course I can suspend disbelief for that. That is the world they are presenting. When the same show removes you from that world by presenting you with a person from your real life... the fantasy is ruined.

Not mentioning the name of any show... but if a long-running zombie apocalypse show had presented you with a world in which any time you are overrun by zombies... you had zero chance of survival. They then show you a person being eaten alive by hundreds of zombies... then a couple of shows later that same person didn't actually get bitten once, they crawled under a bin and the entire hoard decided it was getting late and went for an early night... despite the fact there was fresh meat in reaching distance. Yeah.

If you present us with an amazing world, don't get pissed off when you smurf up by doing something stupid. Now honestly, I'm not even close to being as upset by Ed Sheeran than I was with (if one existed) a long-running zombie apocalypse show and the death/miraculous survival of (let's call him Ben) a well-loved character. It was still out-of-place and I expected better from a show of such high standards. Game of Thrones is still life though.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I'm a little reluctant to look up predictions this year. I've been able to avoid the season 7 leaks, but I listen to a few Game of Thrones podcasts who's hosts have been spoiled, and they all pretty much say the same thing.

"Be careful what you read this year about upcoming episodes because there are a LOT of people disguising spoilers as just "shot in the dark" predictions."

[Goldenboko]

I agree. Just like it was really weird seeing Boromir in the first season.

I think people are willing to suspend disbelief when it's professional actors. But Ed Sheeran isn't a professional actor, so it's more jarring to see him in a show than seeing Sean Bean not be Boromir.

I think. To be honest both sides of this discussion have a point.

Hey man, The Rock plays The Rock in all his movies. And I'm ok with that.

[Night Fury]

It's not even that he was there. They kept on pushing his face into shot as well.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

The whole Ed Sheeran thing is dumb. Get over it peeps. GoT reached out to him for the part because he has a pretty voice and Maise is a low key superfan. If you can deal with seeing Boromir, Dr. Isaac, and Queen Gorgo, you can deal with Ed.

Totally love the serial killer vibe Arya is getting. Sansa is still a :bou::bou::bou::bou:. I hope she dies. I still want to have Jon's babies. Dany's line gave me chills.

My predictions:

Euron's gift for Cersei is Gendry. Calling it.

And then Jaime kills Cersei, coming back around and is a Queen Killer.

Jon goes to Dany not to talk about who rules ('cause Jon don't care), but to fight together against the whitewalker army.

Dondarion dies again and doesn't come back. The Hound gets his lifes, dies in battle against the Mountain, is revived, and kills the mountain.

Sam saves Jorah. And the whitewalker war with the revelation about the dragon glass under the dragon place.

[Bubba]

You guys do realise that Sean Bean has done more than play Boromir in Lord of the Rings, don't you? I get the similarities between the two worlds but Sean Bean has been acting for thirty-five years.


If you can deal with seeing Boromir, Dr. Isaac, and Queen Gorgo, you can deal with Ed.

No, the people playing those roles are all legitimate actors. Ed is not.

Anyway, like I say, it annoyed me but the show is hardly ruined because it. Still very much looking forward to episode 2 :)

[Freya]

Yeah still think you're over reacting. The only reason he was in frame more is cause they had him sitting next to maise cause again, suoerfan, the other guys had more speaking parts then him.

This shit is bananas, b-an-an-as.

[Slothy]

Yeah still think you're over reacting. The only reason he was in frame more is cause they had him sitting next to maise cause again, suoerfan, the other guys had more speaking parts then him.

This shit is bananas, b-an-an-as.

Agreed. People are being whiny little babies.

And how about we get off the he's not a legitimate actor thing? I only knew him from an appearance or two in top gear so I don't have all this baggage you guys do, but if you are acting in anything, you're an actor. He was acting in game of thrones, so he's an actor. The idea that he would have needed to be more established in acting roles first for you all to not freak out about what amounted to a very small cameo is just silly to me. The only thing I give a shit about is if he took away from the show with his performance or not. Having him and some soldiers singing a song that works in universe of screen followed by a single line and shots with his face in them don't take away from the episode. His role fits, his performance fits, so it's end of story for me.

[Psychotic]

Now people are overreacting to people overreacting to Ed Sheeran. :p

[Slothy]

You can't tell me how I'm acting! You're not my mommy!

[Psychotic]

Not yet.

[Freya]

I will admit, my bananas comment was only because i was listening to Hollaback girl at the time.

[Shaibana]

such big fuss over a little performance...
i agree, stop bitching, its just a 5 minute roll that a famous GoT fan got for the sake of being in GoT because he can!..
lucky him :3

[Del Murder]

I agree. Just like it was really weird seeing Boromir in the first season.

I think people are willing to suspend disbelief when it's professional actors. But Ed Sheeran isn't a professional actor, so it's more jarring to see him in a show than seeing Sean Bean not be Boromir.

I think. To be honest both sides of this discussion have a point.

Hey man, The Rock plays The Rock in all his movies. And I'm ok with that.
They really missed an opportunity by not having The Rock play Khal Drogo in season 1. The show would have been so much more popular!

[Bri]

I only knew of this Ed Sheeran believe it or not through my son because he listens to some of his songs from school or on the bus.

He was just lucky to partake in a small role in GoT. Imagine one of us were in his place and how we'd feel..

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I can't comment on the episode since I haven't seen it, but I can see where Bubba is coming from. Some people you see in shows and movies, and you just can't see them as a part of the universe you are watching. It pulls you out of the show and it breaks your immersion. It usually isn't a deal breaker for me, but it can be an annoyance. I also admit it isn't really the fault of the actor.

When Donald Glover was in Spider Man, I just couldn't see him as anyone else besides Troy from Community. I didn't mind his part, but it pulled me right out of the movie. Same as when the actor who plays Abed in the same show was in whichever marvel movie he was in. Or when Mac from It's Always Sunny played a character in Lost... I just couldn't take him seriously.

[Aulayna]

I feel like the only person in the world who didn't really think much of the Ed bit. I was just like "huh, ok."

/shrug

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I wouldn't even know what ed looks like if he wasn't pictured in this thread, so I probably won't care once I get to the episode.

I probably won't get to watch it in a long time though. I am excited to see how the show ends when the time comes though. It'll be hard to avoid this thread.

[Bubba]

I have stated a couple of times now that it isn't the biggest issue in the world. I'd just rather it not have happened. It's not like the show has been ruined for me like it was with... let's call it The Talking Bed.

I am now eagerly awaiting episode 2.

[Miriel]

That's not a joke for me. I literally thought that is who you all were talking about. I don't know who this Ed whatever guy is so I was super confused.

Um, I was literally sitting next to you and said, "Is that smurfing Ed Sheeran?????!"

It was a weird little scene. A bizarre seeing Ed Sheeran's dopey face, singing a song in Game of Thrones. I like his music. But what else is new, this show can be clumsy as smurf, and that was a clumsy wink wink scene. 🤷🏻

[Night Fury]

I only knew of this Ed Sheeran believe it or not through my son because he listens to some of his songs from school or on the bus.

He was just lucky to partake in a small role in GoT. Imagine one of us were in his place and how we'd feel..


I'd be ecstatic if I was given the opportunity to do it - but I'm not a famous pop singer with worldwide recognition so it's not going to happen...

[Freya]

I can't comment on the episode since I haven't seen it, but I can see where Bubba is coming from. Some people you see in shows and movies, and you just can't see them as a part of the universe you are watching. It pulls you out of the show and it breaks your immersion. It usually isn't a deal breaker for me, but it can be an annoyance. I also admit it isn't really the fault of the actor.

When Donald Glover was in Spider Man, I just couldn't see him as anyone else besides Troy from Community. I didn't mind his part, but it pulled me right out of the movie. Same as when the actor who plays Abed in the same show was in whichever marvel movie he was in. Or when Mac from It's Always Sunny played a character in Lost... I just couldn't take him seriously.

Whoa whoa wait a minute. Hold the phone. You only know Donald Glover from community? Ohhh boy. You are going to have a fun time. Check out his stand up and his music, he goes by childish gambino. His new album is wildly different than his older stuff but his lyrics are crazy good. Enjoy!

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I know his music somewhat. It's been a while since I've listened to it. I've not seen his stand up, I don't think. If I see him acting though, all I really see is Troy.

[Jinx]

He deleted his Twitter over the backlash, and honestly, I find that hilarious.

[Slothy]

I find it kind of sad honestly. Mostly because I know a lot of people on social media are complete scum bags and I believe not many people deserve the abuse they dish out over the dumbest of things.

PS: I'm as guilty of being a giant sick online as anyone else so I include myself in that. Trying to do better though.

[Freya]

Yeah I believe there is a disconnect with people. They think just because someone is a celebrity, that they deserve hate. Like "Well they should know becoming a celebrity means they will have to deal with haters." That doesn't magically make it okay to bully people. Just cause someone is famous doesn't mean they aren't still a person.

I really have an issue with people being jerks to people just to be jerks. "They don't HAVE to read all their mentions" well if they want to engage with their fans at all and be more genuine, they will need to look at that stuff. If millions of people are yelling at you that you suck, that can't be good for you mentally. "They should just ignore it!" You try ignoring so many hateful messages. It isn't just on social media, people do it in person too.

Heck the actor who played Joffery quit acting because people were so rude over his character.

Basically people are assholes and should stop being assholes imo

[Jinx]

I mean, I agree.

But the way it played out in my mind was a bunch of Brits call him a ginger twat, then him quitting Twitter in a huff and having a tantrum.

[Del Murder]

I can't wait until the next episode. I hear Miley Cyrus guest stars as a tavern wench.

[Formalhaut]

Wow, it sucks that Ed Sheeran had to quit Twitter over it. As much as I do genuinely think the scene wasn't the best, it's a really minor point. It's certainly not worth abusing him over Twitter about it.

Looking forward to Episode 2 now this weekend!

EDIT: And if what I've said in this thread counts as bitching, then God you have no idea.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Well, since we're at the start of a new season, I'll run through the big questions and see where everyone's at. Some of these answers change every season.


Who's your favorite character:
Who would you like to see on the Iron Throne at the end:
Who do you think will be on the Iron Throne at the end:
Who would you bring back to life:
Who do you think should have died a LONG time ago:

and of course

Which house do you like best overall:

[Jinx]

Who's your favorite character: Cersei and Davos. For VERY different reasons.

Who would you like to see on the Iron Throne at the end: As much as I hate her, I think it'd be really satisfying to see Dany on the throne. Especially since she's Arys 2.0, and it'd be somehow so great to see the cycle begin anew. Alternatively, seeing a dragon burn it into molten iron and Dany dying by the same death her brother did. A crown for a king, a throne a queen. Perhaps a White Walker would touch her and take her inability to burn away.

Who do you think will be on the Iron Throne at the end: Either no one, or Dany. Maybe smurfin' Gendry, dude.

Who would you bring back to life: Hodor. :(

Who do you think should have died a LONG time ago: DAENERYS TARGARYEN, FIRST OF HER NAME

Which house do you like best overall: Lannister :party:

[Loony BoB]

Who's your favourite character: Bronn, probably. Tough call though.
Who would you like to see on the Iron Throne at the end: Honestly I'm not sure there's anyone I'd actually enjoy seeing on the Iron Throne at the end of all this. I'm legit struggling to think of anyone that I'd find a satisfying ruler right now. Hell, possibly Sansa at this rate might be the most reasonable of the lot given her development so far.
Who do you think will be on the Iron Throne at the end: Dany.
Who would you bring back to life: Ned :'( Gren :'( Hodor :'(
Who do you think should have died a LONG time ago: Baelish.

and of course

Which house do you like best overall: Stark! Easily.

[The Captain]

Who's your favorite character:

Davos is my favorite character but The Hound is sneaking up on me.

Who would you like to see on the Iron Throne at the end:

I think it would be sort of poetic if somehow Gendry ends up on the throne. After all of the turmoil, this unassuming blacksmith ends up ruling the kingdoms. Or somehow Sam, but he'd probably make a terrible king.

Who do you think will be on the Iron Throne at the end:

Honestly? I'm not sure if anyone sits on the Iron Throne by the end. I think the Great War will decimate so many people that there will be no unifying 7 kingdoms anymore. Perhaps Sansa Stark, since she's proven to be a real survivor.

Who would you bring back to life:

Oberyn Martell. Great character, truly gruesome death.

Who do you think should have died a LONG time ago:

Cersei continues to fail upwards, but I think her time is coming now. I also wonder if Theon just deserves to have died at this point. I'm assuming he will still find some redemption, but a mercy killing might be justice for him.


Which house do you like best overall: The Mormonts, because they have the true QUEEN in the North running them now.


Take care all.

[Freya]

Comic con look ahead trailer


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[Freya]

Greyjoys got their trout wrecked.

Theon just jumped! Left his sister to be tortured. Ugh

Was that what's her name and her daughter hanging off the end?

And nymeria! It was her!

[Night Fury]

Who's your favorite character: Tyrion
Who would you like to see on the Iron Throne at the end: Jon? Idk.. I actually don't care
Who do you think will be on the Iron Throne at the end: I think it will be burnt to a crisp or the Nights King will be on it.
Who would you bring back to life: Barristan Selmy or Shireen
Who do you think should have died a LONG time ago: Littlefinger

and of course

Which house do you like best overall:I root for the Starks, I love the Lannisters, but I think overall I like the mythos of the Targs.

[The Captain]

Leave it to GoT to surprise end with a crazy naval battle. After nearly 2 episodes of just setting up the board, something had to happen, right? I'm not totally sure that the captives are enough of a gift for Euron to give Cersei, but maybe?

Also, I think it's becoming pretty clear that Dany will be following in some family footsteps and that's not a good sign.

Theon reverting to Reek was a twist as well and frankly, it would be a more interesting dynamic if he just remains that way for the rest of the show. To have him once again find his courage and now save his sister might be a bridge too far and too cliched for my tastes.

It was kind of thrilling and funny to hear even the characters talking about other characters like they are watching a TV show, mostly about Jon, but when you have done some of the things he has, people will gossip.

Welcome back Hot Pie! Could Gendry be next?

Littlefinger is SO going to mess up Winterfell, isn't he?

Take care all.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Dany was brutal on Varys. And send a raven to Jon to tell him to bend the knee? Funny, Cersei said the same thing last episode. They've both got the "unquestioning loyalty or death" attitude.

I see Melisandre was very selective with her words. Missandei came in for the save with "it could mean prince or princess" but Melisandre was totally being vague like "you have a part to play".

I loved the scene with Nymeria. I thought it was fitting that her and Arya have the same personalities, preferring to go their own way in life.

I'm curious to see what plan Little Finger has up his sleeve. Sansa knows him well enough not to fall for any of his schemes. So I suppose he'll have to rely heavily on his command over the Arryn army. "Do so and so for me or say goodbye to all these fighters".

I'm really pulling for Jorah. Hopefully whatever Sam is doing works. Now that Sam knows Jorah's a Mormont, I think he wants to put in extra effort.


Was that what's her name and her daughter hanging off the end?

It was hard to tell in the dark, but I think it was the 2 sandsnakes that they killed. I bet Yara, Ellaria, and her daughter will be the "gift" that Euron has promised Cersei. Or maybe he'll keep Yara for his own sick plans.

What does Theon even do at this point? Either run into an old character after he washes up on shore, or hope someone takes pity on him.

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[Psychotic]

Get in the smurfing bin, sand snakes. There is only one matter in which I'm rooting for Cersei and that's getting revenge for Myrcella. Hope she flays Ellaria alive.

Quite liked a bit of Euron in this episode. Absolutely loved that gangplank drop right onto that guy's head.

That Jorah scene was brutal although that cut into a guy eating a pie was masterfully smurfing done.

Kind of weird that Dany is Jon's aunt.

[Night Fury]

Can't believe Jon received a raven from Kings Landing from Sam, and one from Tyrion from Dragonstone before the raven about bran from the wall!

[Jinx]

Ha, well with Varys and Littlefinger teleporting all over the map, GoT has always been fast-and-loose with their flow of time!

I said to Rob at the start of the battle "Oh, well here's a good way to kill off the Sand Snakes". Guess I was right! It's a shame they made them so gratingly annoying until the very end. Those girls deserved a better script.

Ellaria and Tyene are definitely still alive. Cersei doesn't know what her "gift" is yet, but she's without a doubt going to torture Tyene in front of Ellaria to make her feel the pain she felt when Myrcella died. It's not going to be a quick and easy death for either of them. Look at what she did (is still doing?) to that septa who humiliated her. That's nothing compared to murdering her daughter.

I read something on Reddit I found so succinct: Reek didn't come back last night. Reek was always there. He was just wearing a Theon mask.

Also, that soup/poop montage from last week? HA! Here, have some pussing, raw skin and a pot pie. You're welcome, fans.

[Psychotic]

Ellaria and Tyene are definitely still alive. Cersei doesn't know what her "gift" is yet, but she's without a doubt going to torture Tyene in front of Ellaria to make her feel the pain she felt when Myrcella died. Oh goooooosh yes, I think you are spot on! I didn't pick up on that. They were really driving the "mama" thing into the ground and now it seems so obvious why. I don't know what Cersei will do to her but I have a horrible feeling it'll involve the Mountain.

[Jinx]

Ellaria and Tyene are definitely still alive. Cersei doesn't know what her "gift" is yet, but she's without a doubt going to torture Tyene in front of Ellaria to make her feel the pain she felt when Myrcella died. Oh goooooosh yes, I think you are spot on! I didn't pick up on that. They were really driving the "mama" thing into the ground and now it seems so obvious why. I don't know what Cersei will do to her but I have a horrible feeling it'll involve the Mountain.

Instead of calmly saying "Shame!", it will be "I had her raped. I had her murdered. I had her children killed".

[Slothy]

Dany was brutal on Varys. And send a raven to Jon to tell him to bend the knee? Funny, Cersei said the same thing last episode. They've both got the "unquestioning loyalty or death" attitude.

No, Dany in her discussion with Varys was very much not "give me your unquestioning loyalty or die." In fact, she outright said if you question the way I'm leading then talk to me. Don't just jump ship and start plotting to kill me the first time you see something you don't like. In other words, if he's loyal to her then he needs to trust that she'll listen to him. But yeah, if he goes behind her back and starts plotting to overthrow or kill her she's gonna burn him. Seems like a pretty reasonable reaction to one of your trusted advisors plotting to murder you whether they're right or not.

[Shaibana]

I cried when Arya reunited with Nymeria :') i want them to be together again :(
i'm very excited for Arya to reach the north and be reunited with the Starks.
when Arya said it was not her. was it really not her or more like 'its not my pet anymore but a wild animal'? (i' guessing the 2nd)

that fight on the ships was brutaly beautifull.
Euron is now my favourite badguy :D that spark of insanity, love it!

i laughed my ass off when they went of skin cutting to the pie xD what will it be next week?

[Jinx]

It was a callback to season one, when Ned says someday she'll be a fine lady with lots of sons (btw, suck it D&D, and I didn't need you to tell me this!)

Basically, she's just saying that she realizes Nymeria is on her own path, and it's not fair of her to place expectations on her.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Dany was brutal on Varys. And send a raven to Jon to tell him to bend the knee? Funny, Cersei said the same thing last episode. They've both got the "unquestioning loyalty or death" attitude.

No, Dany in her discussion with Varys was very much not "give me your unquestioning loyalty or die." In fact, she outright said if you question the way I'm leading then talk to me. Don't just jump ship and start plotting to kill me the first time you see something you don't like. In other words, if he's loyal to her then he needs to trust that she'll listen to him.

You're right. She did end the discussion reasonably. Scratch my last sentence up there.

I still think the echo of Cersei is intentional on D&D's part, whether it's a red herring or not to leave fans guessing if she has shades of being a mad queen, I don't know. But it seems to be a popular fan theory.

[Loony BoB]

Theon couldn't have charged, Euron would have killed his sister on the spot. There was nothing he could do to save her life other than to not attack, so in all seriousness he probably saved her life by not trying to save her life.

Jon vs. Baelish I loved. Show that twat who's boss. Sansa needs to be the one to kill him, though.

Really keen to see what happens with Nymeria next, and what happens with Jorah. And Sam for that matter.

Hot Pie :D Nymeria :D

Shame we didn't get to see more Ed Sheeran, though.

[Jinx]

I don't think anything's happening with Nymeria. I think that was it.

[Loony BoB]

I don't mind, just happy to see them. :D But I don't think Nymeria is out of the picture entirely. I can see her still showing up at times that suit her for dramatic purposes, just to wander off again.

[Jinx]

I can't. That would make no sense. That scene with Arya was a pretty definitive goodbye. Nymeria's doing her own thing.

[BustaMo]

I didn't even realize he was going to be in the series and didn't recognize him until my girlfriend pointed him out when he was singing. HAHA Cool to say I've seen him in concert before he got famous back in 2013!!

[Psychotic]

I can't. That would make no sense. That scene with Arya was a pretty definitive goodbye. Nymeria's doing her own thing.I agree, but I also wouldn't bet against the following scenario occurring next season: Arya will be attacked by White Walkers and it will seem to be The End, only Nymeria and her wolf pack come steaming in and save the day.

[Freya]

I can't. That would make no sense. That scene with Arya was a pretty definitive goodbye. Nymeria's doing her own thing.I agree, but I also wouldn't bet against the following scenario occurring next season: Arya will be attacked by White Walkers and it will seem to be The End, only Nymeria and her wolf pack come steaming in and save the day.

Yeah I can see that happening just because of the dramatic cool it would be

[Night Fury]

I think Nymeria walked away because Arya has just gone too far from her Stark roots - possibly doesn't recognise her or feel close to her because of the whole face changing thing too.....

[Jinx]

That, and, it's been like 5+ years in-world time. She really only had Nymeria for a few months. :p

[theundeadhero]

Maybe its a little hint that she's truly Arya and not faceless girl. I think Nymeria would have torn faceless girl apart, and I've never believed it wasn't truly Arya to begin with.

[The Captain]

Maybe its a little hint that she's truly Arya and not faceless girl. I think Nymeria would have torn faceless girl apart, and I've never believed it wasn't truly Arya to begin with.

I'd been reading that theory too but if she wasn't Arya anymore then why would she have butchered the Freys? Thus, I think it is indeed Arya. GoT has enough crazy theories but that one was a bit too far for me.

I still think there will be some crazy reveal to come about Bran and we already had two with Jon.

Also, is the treatment Sam is doing on Jorah the same one that worked on Shireen? Or something else? Since she still seemed to have greyscale scars and it seemed like the point of the treatment was to cut away all of the scales.

Take care all.

[BustaMo]

I can't. That would make no sense. That scene with Arya was a pretty definitive goodbye. Nymeria's doing her own thing.I agree, but I also wouldn't bet against the following scenario occurring next season: Arya will be attacked by White Walkers and it will seem to be The End, only Nymeria and her wolf pack come steaming in and save the day.

I was just telling some that. I'm hoping Nymeria does come back with her pack bigger and stronger and finds Arya in a tight situation that she helps get her out of. By seeing how the other wolves follow her lead, Nymeria seems to have taken the role as leader of the pack as well. And daaaaaang she has gotten big in 5 years!

[Shaibana]

Your weekly dose of meme's and jokes

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i would also like to point out something i found on the internet, i dont believe it has been pointed out yet here.

as the Hound stares into the fire he says:
''It's where the wall meets the sea. The waves are frozen. There's a castle there''

its something you see back in the opening credits
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the sea next to Eastwatch by the Sea is frozen. so the Nightking could (in theorie) just walk around the magic wall right into the Seven Kingdoms :O

[BustaMo]

the sea next to Eastwatch by the Sea is frozen. so the Nightking could (in theorie) just walk around the magic wall right into the Seven Kingdoms :O

Crazy, I never thought of that. I'm guessing the Wildlings could have done that multiple times too IF they had wanted to come back south since Eastwatch was very sparsely manned.

[Shaibana]

the sea next to Eastwatch by the Sea is frozen. so the Nightking could (in theorie) just walk around the magic wall right into the Seven Kingdoms :O

Crazy, I never thought of that. I'm guessing the Wildlings could have done that multiple times too IF they had wanted to come back south since Eastwatch was very sparsely manned.

no, because they went through the wall Before winter came, and before the sea froze over there

[Freya]

Plus you know you have an ice guy who does ice things like making snow blizzard storms!

[BustaMo]

no, because they went through the wall Before winter came, and before the sea froze over there
So in all those years before they ventured through the Wall on Jon Snow's watch, they couldn't have snuck from North of the wall where they were at and swam around the wall or waded across to South of the Wall? That is, if they wanted to. I know that's a lot of movement and would gather a great deal of attention if they were moving hundreds of thousands of bodies past a tight area, but I'm guessing if a few gung-ho wildlings wanted to make a break for South of the Wall, they could have squeezed pas that end if no one from Eastwatch caught them in their sights.

[Freya]

They did go around often. Eastwatch is one of the manned castles on the wall. It's where everyone goes. It's where Jon took all the people from hardhome. The show did this weird though because then all the wildlings were at castle black needing to come through? Didn't make sense but whatever. It's where stannis landed his troops. It's where Sam got on a boat to head down south.

They man it and have their own boats where they try to keep wildlings out.

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[Jinx]

I dunno if White Walkers can get around there. It's magicked.

[BustaMo]

They did go around often. Eastwatch is one of the manned castles on the wall. It's where everyone goes. It's where Jon took all the people from hardhome. The show did this weird though because then all the wildlings were at castle black needing to come through? Didn't make sense but whatever. It's where stannis landed his troops. It's where Sam got on a boat to head down south.

They man it and have their own boats where they try to keep wildlings out.

So in essence that'd be almost one of the hardest parts to sneak South stealthily. I'm guessing when the White Walkers and Night King go for round 2 though, that they won't really care about being discrete and walking on tip-toes to wreck their havoc.

[Freya]

Yeah there's still magic and whatnot involved. They have to get rid of the wall's magic before they can move south. BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THIS baum baum baauummmm

[Jinx]

Honestly, I think Bran going to the other side of the Wall is what's going to fuck it up. Being touched by the Night King is what allowed them into the tree, and I think having him on the other side is going to weaken the magic barrier.

That, or it'll just fall down. God, I REALLY HOPE THIS HAPPENS. It'd be so goddamn cool.

[Aulayna]

Yeah I really want the wall to fall, almost as much as I want Arya to die. >.>

[Loony BoB]

Re: Nymeria

I just feel like given how they have stated many times that they find it really hard to do the direwolf scenes that if they did one with Nymeria, they would have to have a good reason to do it. I don't think that what we've seen is enough of a reason, unless it's supposed to change Arya's mind about which way she travels or something. But the scene on it's own doesn't strike me as a reason for them to put the wolf in, it adds nothing of note on it's own other than looking pretty. Which GoT doesn't really do very often, if at all. They simply don't have the time left in the series, do they? Not bothered either way but I feel like we will see a little more Nymeria, even if it it's "oh we killed another wolf" because they love to do that.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Hey if you've ever liked Game of Thrones so much that you wanted to name one of your children after a character

please don't choose Dick-on.

[The Captain]

A random theory: As some others have noted, could there be a mole inside Dany's camp? That attack by Euron seemed too perfect for it not to have been coordinated by someone with knowledge of Yara's plan to sail to Dorne.

Likewise, is it mere coincidence that Dany had just spent part of the episode questioning the loyalty of her advisors, chiefly Varys?

Obviously, things need to move quickly with so few episodes left but I'm wondering if the seeds of discontentment are being planted here. Only real flaw is that the two most likely candidates for being moles, Varys (displeasure of how Dany is turning into a "Mad Queen") and Olenna (Tyrells historical dislike of the Dornish) would almost certainly NOT want to help Cersei in any way.

Time shall tell.

Take care all.

[Citizen]

Who's your favorite character: Jaime, with Tyrion coming in at a close second. This is the case in both books/television show. I can just see Cersei being overtaken by Dany and asking Qyburn to burn them all. Flashbacks of the Mad King; Jaime slits her throat.
Who would you like to see on the Iron Throne at the end: I'd think Jon or Jaime, but neither has any interest in being king, methinks. Tyrion is probably next.
Who do you think will be on the Iron Throne at the end: Dany, unfortunately.
Who would you bring back to life: I loved Ser Barristan. That scene in the book where you find out Arstan Whitebeard was actually Selmy blew my mind. Really liked Oberyn as well.
Who do you think should have died a LONG time ago: I know we just met Euron, but I don't really see his purpose beyond being able to bring ships to Cersei. I would say Theon, but I'm sure G.R.R.M has some greater purpose for him.

Re: The Captain - I think every character currently with Dany has enough reason to hate Cersei not to turn on her, except Varys. I don't think he, or anyone else, is a mole, though. I'm pretty sure Euron uses some red-priestess-esque black mojo.

Side note: I always thought Varys Targaryan had a nice ring to it.

[Del Murder]

unless it's supposed to change Arya's mind about which way she travels or something.
I thought that's exactly what it was?

[Shaibana]

i'm pretty sure Arya is still heading for Winterfell

[theundeadhero]

But will she just miss Jon or meet him on the road, likely with one or the other in a bad situation?

[Formalhaut]

Just watched the latest episode now. I really loved it, and that last scene with the fleet was a real sucker punch, even if I did see it coming.

To be honest, Euron is becoming a bit of a Kai Leng for me. He shows up last season and proceeds to wreck everyone's plans. He hasn't suffered a single setback yet. I can't wait for him to die.

I like Samwell disobeying the maesters and deciding to heal Jorah. I hope that goes well! Probably not, but we'll see.

[Freya]

She'll miss jon but reunite with sansa and they'll be all "I'm sorry I was mean to you before :("

[Psychotic]

To be honest, Euron is becoming a bit of a Kai Leng for me. He shows up last season and proceeds to wreck everyone's plans. He hasn't suffered a single setback yet.Are you quite sure about that last part?

[Slothy]

His niece and nephew stealing a big chunk of his fleet and forging an alliance with the woman he wanted to court seems like a setback to me. So does his second choice of queen rebuking him and forcing him to do something grand to get in her good graces. Honestly, aside from killing his brother this is like the first time anything went smoothly for him.

[Jinx]

Still, the man has confidence and a genuinely sunny disposition. He's the breath of optimism GoT needed.

[Slothy]

I certainly can't argue with that assessment.

[Formalhaut]

He didn't seem terribly phased by niece and nephew stealing his fleet and seems to be doing alright regardless. The bit I remember is him laughing while Theon and Yara retreat having failed to win the Kingsmoot, but I guess you're right. My memory is a bit foggy of last season.

As for Cersei, I'm not sure what he was expecting to be honest!

Maybe his sunny disposition hides the fact that he hasn't managed as well as I believed? I don't know.

[Slothy]

Well the guys deal is that he is basically insane. His sunny demeanor is the simple result of being mentally unwell in a world where the best death you can hope for is starving to death in winter. Actually, he may be the only character aware of how absurd the whole world is and so he chooses to have a grand time doing what he wants.

Euron=Deadpool confirmed

[Formalhaut]

Still looking forward to him dying, though. Hopefully by the hand of Theon or Yara.

[Psychotic]

Sorry Formy but bumbling Euron would suck. You need to consider how utterly imbalanced Daenerys vs Cersei is. Cersei needed a strong ally at the start of this season otherwise it would just be Dany's uncontested procession to the throne which is boring.

Not to mention on a narrative level Daenerys has an actual hive full of main, named characters with significant development. Who did Cersei have? Jaime, but besides him the zombie Mountain (full of interesting conversation, that one!) and Qyburn, who despite being infinitely more interesting has had less than half the screen time of smurfing Missandei. Hell, he's had less screen time than Ros, Viserys (who was amazing but died six seasons ago!) and BoB's all time favourite Grenn! An interesting, dangerous character in Euron added to Cersei's stable is good for the story.

[Jinx]

Re: Nymeria

But the scene on it's own doesn't strike me as a reason for them to put the wolf in, it adds nothing of note on it's own other than looking pretty. Which GoT doesn't really do very often, if at all.

pod's dick

[Loony BoB]

Nah, that would be done without the use of CGI obviously. Pod is packing heat. ;)

Regarding Arya meeting Jon: Well, Melisandre did tell Arya that they will meet again when she last (and first) met her.

Regarding who I'd like to bring back to life: Bugger me I forgot Shireen :(

[Del Murder]

As much as I would like Arya to reunite with her family, I feel like her plot would be wasted up there. Maybe she'll just stop in for a quick hello then get back to her revenge tour.

Arya's last three scenes (with Lannister soldiers, Hot 'I'm a Survivor' Pie, and Nymeria) all show her that people aren't always what she believes them to be. With Nymeria I think she finally realized this. If she were to go home then it would not be the home she remembered. Instead she (in her mind) could best help her family by continuing to work from the shadows.

[Loony BoB]

And snipe Baelish while on the way out or something. :shifty:

[Del Murder]

That would be the only interesting thing she could be doing there, but I think Littlefinger will go on for quite a while. I'd be disappointed otherwise.

[Loony BoB]

I dunno. I think everything is setting up for a real White Walker vs. Dragons thing. But I guess you have to have a few truly horrible bad guys in this series and he's one of the few left, alongside Cersei, The Mountain, Euron (all on the same side) and the White Walkers (too "pure evil"). Baelish, I guess, makes up the difference with Ramsey & the Freys out of the picture.

[Formalhaut]

Sorry Formy but bumbling Euron would suck. You need to consider how utterly imbalanced Daenerys vs Cersei is. Cersei needed a strong ally at the start of this season otherwise it would just be Dany's uncontested procession to the throne which is boring.

Not to mention on a narrative level Daenerys has an actual hive full of main, named characters with significant development. Who did Cersei have? Jaime, but besides him the zombie Mountain (full of interesting conversation, that one!) and Qyburn, who despite being infinitely more interesting has had less than half the screen time of smurfing Missandei. Hell, he's had less screen time than Ros, Viserys (who was amazing but died six seasons ago!) and BoB's all time favourite Grenn! An interesting, dangerous character in Euron added to Cersei's stable is good for the story.

Eh, that's actually a fair point. I didn't consider that Dany is probably due a 'loss' of some kind or another.

Gotta disagree though I really like Missandei. That scene with Grey Worm was nice.

[Psychotic]

I agree that her Grey Worn scene was good and definitely her high point on the show, but until then it has been four seasons of flat nothing from her.

[Crop]

I started watching Game of Thrones about a month and a half ago and have just caught up with it all.
I didn't intend on getting through it in a relatively short space of time, but I found when I started I kinda had to. Not because I was enjoying it (although I was), but before if I'd stumble across a spoiler on Facebook or the news or whatever I wouldn't know or care about it so it'd be out of my mind in a second, but now I was interested an knew the characters, spoilers were my ultimate enemy! Thankfully I managed to avoid most of them. I knew things like Ned Stark dying, but for things like the red wedding, while I knew it was a thing that happened I didn't know who was involved or when it happened, and since someone is always planning or having a wedding in this show, it could have popped up at any time.

I think I preferred the first four seasons to the last two, but I think it's just because I seem to be able to call things before they happen a bit better now. Whether that's because the show has become a little more predictable or because I'm just more used to it I dunno.

Anyway, I certainly have three stand out scenes for me where the show gave me peak enjoyment. In order of appearence:

The Battle of Blackwater Bay - This was obviously when the show had a smaller budget and they clearly blew a lot of it on this, but wow. It was the first big set piece and it definitely blew my mind. Only one battle has matched it for me. So many excellent moments in this episode, certainly benefited from centring the whole episode around it.

The courtroom scene when Tyrion demands a trial by combat - When he gets sick of the farcical trial his father has put on for him. This is still the best acted scene in the show for me, sent shivers down my spine.

The Battle (Massacre?) at Hardhome - Matches Blackwater for me. Finally got a true look at the threat the White Walkers and their army pose. It was about time! Great episode.

P.S. Lyanna Mormont is a fucking boss, she is my new favourite character...sorry Tyrion.

[Shaibana]

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[Freya]

Cersei is... winning? Waaaah

I bet everyone is going to get annoyed with bran. "Hey did you hear that---" "yes."

Jon and dany need to bang already.

[Jinx]

I love Jaime. But I love, LOVE Olenna's last smurf you. The man went out of his way to make sure she had a painless, dignified death. And she still found a way to cut him, even after losing everything and everyone she loved.

Also that Ellaria/Tyene scene. Drone has been a disaster in this show, and I definitely felt Cersei was justified and was in her camp. But Ellaria's face as she realized what was happening was brutal. It's funny, the entire scene I kept talking about Cersei's bright pink lipstick. OH. Also, just seeing their anguish at being so close, but unable to give each other comfort or hold one another. They're both terrible people I have no emotional connection with, DAMN. I felt that scene.

Also: Dany supporters, y'all are insane. So is your bitch. But not in a good way. I'm glad she's losing. She needs to burn.

[Freya]

Nah the dragons will burn her opponents and your poor judgement of her :colbert:

[Jinx]

Dany is a terrible character who deserves death as much as Cersei. She didn't free the slaves because she cared. She did it out of pride and defiance. She's wholly selfish. She doesn't give a shit about Westeros. She doesn't care about White Walkers. She just wants a throne she thinks she has claim to (she doesn't, that died when's Robert took the throne).

Seriously, people just like her because she's pretty.

[Psychotic]

Euron had me crying with laughter. Twat. Finger up the bum. He's some fierce viking guy yet he's talking so British. I loved it.

God damn though. The Jon/Dany meeting was as tense as the Jon/Tyrion meeting was lovely.

The plan to leave the Unsullied stranded at an empty Casterly Rock is fucking genius. At this point if I was Dany I'd just be like, fuck it, let's mash King's Landing and be done with this bollocks. Speaking of, lovely to finally see Casterly Rock and indeed Highgarden. Also god damn one last act of savagery from Olenna.

[Carl the Llama]

Seriously, people just like her because she's pretty.

There are many reasons to like Dany

1. She isn't Cercei
2. She has 3 Dragons
3. She has an awesome Hand

There are also many reasons to hate Cercei:

1. She stabs Jaime in the back
2. She blamed Tyrion and Sansa (who is also a badass) for Joffs death
3. She tried to have Sansa killed.
4. She blew up her sons wife forcing him to commit suicide THEN blamed him for "betraying" her...
5. She claims Olenna Tyrell betrayed her... but it was her that betrayed Olenna for killing her entire family.

Martin said the ending would be bitter sweet, so there is no way I can see Cercei getting out of this with her ass in the throne.

[Freya]

Dany is a terrible character who deserves death as much as Cersei. She didn't free the slaves because she cared. She did it out of pride and defiance. She's wholly selfish. She doesn't give a shit about Westeros. She doesn't care about White Walkers. She just wants a throne she thinks she has claim to (she doesn't, that died when's Robert took the throne).

Seriously, people just like her because she's pretty.

Maybe Book Dany? But I believe show Dany to be more faithful to her causes.

You really just don't like the actress though, you've said this before.

Dany as a character isn't bad and of course she has no idea about the white walkers, no one knows about the white walkers. Everyone has thought Jon was lying before they saw the dead or the WW themselves. This isn't some wholly exclusive thing to Dany. This means you hate a majority of the characters on the show if that's the case. By the end of this epieosde it's not that she doesn't believe him she's just skeptical but she's still willing to help him out somewhat.

[Jinx]

I'm pretty sure she doesn't believe him. Tyrion basically told her that she didn't have to, to just do whatever she could to keep a potential ally. It was wholly a political move. And you're right, Cersei and the lot also don't believe in White Walkers, but they're too busy squabbling over each other. Dany is supposed to be the "hero", and she just came off as a major :bou::bou::bou::bou:bag this episode. She expects to be loved when she's done nothing worthy of that love. (And yes, I've admitted before I partially hate Dany because Emilia Clarke can't act and every scene she's in is painful. It's so apparent the skill levels of the other actors and how monumentally she fails to reach those levels herself. Would I like Dany more if she was played by someone else? Probably. Would I like her? No.)

I liked the old switcheroo they did with making Highgarden and Casterly Rock both white and to give you that small moment of throwing you off. A little let down by Casterly Rock after all these years. But Cersei has effectively wiped out Dany's army now, except for the Dothraki. I mean, the Unsullied are still alive, but they're miles away (although people goddamn teleport all over Westeros all the time, so I'm sure they'll be back next episode). She really should have listened to Olenna when the old broad told her to storm King's Landing and be done with it.

Tbh, I was disappointed that it was Bran, and not Arya, that was at the gate of Winterfell. Bran's insufferable now. xD

[Psychotic]

I wouldn't agree that he's insufferable, but he is quite clearly fucking insane. Which is great because Sansa hadn't spoken to him since episode 1 when he was a bratty climbing boy and now he is just a complete wack job. Like okay, you're the Three Eyed Raven and you can see all of time and space, but do you have to be so fucking weird about it?

[Jinx]

I wouldn't agree that he's insufferable, but he is quite clearly smurfing insane. Which is great because Sansa hadn't spoken to him since episode 1 when he was a bratty climbing boy and now he is just a complete wack job. Like okay, you're the Three Eyed Raven and you can see all of time and space, but do you have to be so smurfing weird about it?

This is definitely what I meant. Like, give your sister a hug, you twat. Jesus. xD

OH AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HER FOR HALF A DECADE MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER MEMORY TO SHARE WITH HER, NOT HER WEDDING TO HER TORMENTOR AND RAPIST

[Psychotic]

And it's not as if he's so far detached from humanity not to say "sorry this happened in our home", the little git. He just wanted to make her leave so he didn't have to have an awkward conversation with her.

[Jinx]

Antisocial people of the world can learn something from Bran Stark.

[Shaibana]

tho i admit that Clarke´s acting isnt exactly top notch, i still like (team)Danny and i really want to see this alliance with the North happen.

my prediction: Bran will see more stuff and tell Jon that he is a Targaryen when/if he returnes to Winterfell

yeah, that lipstick on Cersei 'annoyed' me to, haha, it was so 'in your face'. Should have seen it comming :o

how it should've been :D
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[Del Murder]

"Bet I can bring you the lady who killed your daughter."
"Euron, Greyjoy."

[Psychotic]

"Bet I can bring you the lady who killed your daughter."
"Euron, Greyjoy.""Hey Ed Sheeran I'm a huge fan of yours."
"Arya, Stark?"

[Shaibana]

i think i'm missing the joke

[Psychotic]

i think i'm missing the joke"I can't decide who I want to die next, Oberyn's kids or The Mountain."
"Sandor Clegane?"

[Shaibana]

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i think i'm missing the joke"I can't decide who I want to die next, Oberyn's kids or The Mountain."
"Sandor Clegane?"

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[Del Murder]

"Bet I can bring you the lady who killed your daughter."
"Euron, Greyjoy.""Hey Ed Sheeran I'm a huge fan of yours."
"Arya, Stark?"
"How Sam?"
"Samwell."

[Psychotic]

"Bet I can bring you the lady who killed your daughter."
"Euron, Greyjoy.""Hey Ed Sheeran I'm a huge fan of yours."
"Arya, Stark?"
"How Sam?"
"Samwell."
"Is there anywhere my Uncle Tyrion can store his wine?"
"Myrcella, Baratheon."

[The Captain]

I have to admit, my favorite part of this episode, aside from Diana Rigg's epic sign-off was Davos, after hearing all of Dany's titles say: "This is Jon Snow....um.." To the end, him and Jon are more common people in that they just want to get down to business and dispense with all the formalities. Also thoroughly enjoyed Tyrion and Jon bonding again. It's crazy to think they only spent the first 3 episodes together and that was it until now.

I still continue to think that Dany is being set up to be a big bad by the end of the series. She seems increasingly rigid and as Tyrion's plans keep going to naught, when will the time come when she just decides to burn all of Westeros? My guess? Next episode. I think that shot of Jamie running through a field of fire is after she's torched the Lannister army at Highgarden.

Man, Euron is the ultimate wild card. He's sort of Ramsay Bolton except more self-aware and frankly funny in a very perverse way. And he apparently can teleport. How did his navy get from King's Landing to Casterly Rock in seemingly a day?

Bran is clearly a strange case. How exactly did he think bringing up probably Sansa's worst night (and she's had a lot of bad nights) would be in any way helpful? I feel like he's going to be a source of real frustration, almost like a Dr. Manhattan type: all-seeing, all knowing but too cryptic and detached to actually help in realtime. And can Meera Reed just reunite with her dad please? That gal has been through A LOT. She needs some kind of comfort.

Finally, a random thought I had watching this episode, are we SURE Cersei is going to die? Wouldn't among the most bittersweet of endings be that she alone of all the contenders of the throne is the one who wins? Someone who from almost the very beginning has been cruel and selfish, but also, the one character not afraid to just do anything and hurt anyone else to get ahead? Imagine, if all our favorite characters by the end of the series are living and dying fighting the White Walkers and she is just holed up in King's Landing, waiting for whomever wins. I could really see, let's say, Jon Snow, all beaten up, having lost nearly everyone and finally defeating the Night's King, coming before her and she just smirks, says nice job and then tells him to bend the knee. Prophecy aside, of course.

Hard to believe we're basically halfway through the season already. I think these next 4 episodes are going to be quite the spectacle, as all we have left now are the major chess pieces.

Take care all.

[Jinx]

Cersei being queen wouldn't be bittersweet. That would be all sweet, baby.

[Loony BoB]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/179/679/d95.jpg
You're on, Greyjoy.
Are you Stark?
Sand or Clegane?
Sam (is) well.
My Cellar, Baratheon.

Happy to help. It actually took me a while to catch on, too.

[Shaibana]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/179/679/d95.jpg
You're on, Greyjoy.
Are you Stark?
Sand or Clegane?
Sam (is) well.
My Cellar, Baratheon.

Happy to help. It actually took me a while to catch on, too.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, omg

[Formalhaut]

Well, Dany's kinda screwed, isn't she? It seems like she's barely arrived in Westeros and she's lost most of the Iron Fleet, House Tyrell and House Greyjoy allies, and her Unsullied - or what's left of them - is holed up in Casterly Rock.

Welp.

Regarding the eternal debate about Dany, I'm of two minds. I don't think she's as badly acted as is made out, more that sometimes she is 'overacted', particularly with the cold steel she exudes. It's gotten worse actually this season, and in this episode. Sort of like.. cold smug hubris? I think that's deliberate. I think we're meant to think "hey, let's not automatically root for Dany".

I still think Dany is 'better' for the kingdoms than Cersei, but she is not this unblemished saviour figure. She seemed really stubborn with that scene with Jon, though perhaps understandable.

Bran is creepy. It's like he's forgotten emotion. Sansa's joy to see her brother return quickly diminished.

That final Olenna scene was great. Sad to see that character go, but it was a great, last, final bitter sendoff. Jaime's facial expressions during that reveal was subtle yet telling.

Ultimately though, I think Cersei's victories are building us up for a fall. She's had a string of success, a string that's probably going to continue, if those dragon ballistae is anything to go by. Still, the pendulum will swing the other way at some point. A great episode, all in all.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Glad Olenna got to get in a final zinger. It's a shame she's gone, she's been one of my favourite characters.

[Slothy]

Bran is creepy. It's like he's forgotten emotion. Sansa's joy to see her brother return quickly diminished.

He's got all of space and time at his fingertips. If he was normal there'd he something wrong.

Also, Emilia Clarke isn't a bad actress. At her worst not even half as bad as some pretend. There I said it.

And Cersei is lucky she has stumbled into allies that aren't dumb. She's the most pompous and entitled person on the show as well as the most shortsighted. If she didn't have her not a maester, jaimie, and euron she'd have seen the executioners axe by now. Great character and I love Lina Headey, but she's still an impulsive psycho who isn't half as smart as she thinks she is.

[Psychotic]

Emilia Clarke in interviews and stuff seems to be a really expressive, likeable and emphatic person. But when she becomes Daenerys she seems to lose any and all emotion, with only occasional bouts of indignance breaking up the endless indifference. I think she's a good actress receiving poor direction.

Take the Tyrion quoting his own wisdom moment. That was a nicely written bit to show Dany has a sense of humour and isn't in permanent srs bsns mode. She delivered those lines flatly, like she found Tyrion boring.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

On Bran's lack of emotion:


“It’s like imagining you have all of space and time in your head,” Isaac Hempstead-Wright, who plays Bran, told Entertainment Weekly. “Bran is existing in thousands of planes of existence at any one time. So it’s quite difficult for Bran to have any kind of semblance of personality anymore because he’s really like a giant computer.”

He didn't seem to have a problem connecting with Meera and Hodor, but I may be thinking of scenes he had with them before his "transformation was complete".

[Jinx]

Emilia Clarke is very charming and expressive outside of Game of Thrones. But I'm not "pretending" when I say she's terrible. She was terrible in her Broadway play (which closed after a week because she was terrible in it) and passably okay in Me Before You. So maybe it's bad direction, yet, every other actor on the show is incredibly skilled and gives good performances, so I'm not buying that.

You may not be seeing what I'm seeing, but that doesn't mean that I'm being hyperbolic when I say literally every scene she is in is physically cringe for me.

[Slothy]

Once he started watching all of time and space he didn't really interact with them much. Hell, most of last season he was interacting with the three eyed raven or time travelling with him and didn't have much to say to anyone else. And the season before he wasn't even on. And even on the trip down from the wall he was time travelling for lots of it.

Let's also keep in mind that the three eyed raven said he didn't have time to teach him all he needed to know. Maybe he would have helped teach him to not get as lost in it all.

Edit: Maybe that is how it is for you. I don't feel the same. Glad we sorted that out.

[Freya]

It's also her character to be more authoritative and serious and boasting when she meets people as she wants to be seen as a strong leader so that's how she thinks she should act. She acts different in off scenes with the people she trusts. She learned that she couldn't be so friendly with that mess up in Qarth and how she was too trusting and Drogo got murdered.

It's developed characterization.

[Del Murder]

It's probably the case of a bad actress receiving bad direction. She does seem like a nice person irl but that doesn't make her good at her job. Her lack of emotion and continued reliance on her name as a justification for anything causes me to not care so much about what happens to her.

Cersei is evil to the core, and she definitely relies on her name as well, but only as a means to an end. She wants to rule everything because she's smurfing Queen Cersei, not because she's a Lannister. She'll also marry into other houses and betray anyone she needs to get ahead, regardless of what that does to the family name. I want Cersei to lose so badly but what she does makes sense in her own twisted mind.

Dany on the other hand... Why the hell would she expect John Snow (not even a Stark) to bend the knee as part of some pledge 1000 years ago, that was undone by the Mad King and Robert, when she herself has broken tradition by freeing slaves, taking the Dothraki across the sea, etc. Seriously, you come over with dragons and expect all the non-Lannisters to just agree to do it your way? Not even Cersei would be that dumb.

[Slothy]

Dany was trying to project strength in her first meeting with a person who she didn't know who could be a strong ally or enemy and who was also pretty much an unknown politically seeing as he wasn't involved in anything in the South until he retook winterfell. Being surprised that a queen tries to act like she's the one in control in negotiations seems silly to me.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

There are many reasons to like Dany

2. She has 3 Dragons
3. She has an awesome Hand



Some people actually cite those as reasons they don't like her. When people explain why they like Dany (after season 1), it's because the people around her are awesome.

I found this really interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhryDa6BKzU

3:20 to 7:06, if you have three and a half minutes, check this section out. I think he does a good job explaining why people dislike Dany. Even if you disagree, you get to see where people are coming from.

To sum it up. She relies heavily on her name, her +50 heat resistance, and the supporting cast (people and CGI) that do everything for her.

My big counterargument to the video would be that in RPG terms, Dany is like a mage, and Jon is like a warrior. So it makes sense for Jon to lead from the front while Dany leads from behind.

I'm totally open to the points in the video being wrong, so if you want to school my dislike of Dany by pouring liquid gold over my head or whatever, go for it.

[Freya]

https://i.imgur.com/tG9qDed.jpg
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Some gems from this weeks tl;dw (https://imgur.com/a/CrxVK)

[theundeadhero]

Jon and Dany had no chemistry in those scenes at all. They were almost cringeworthy with how awkward they were.

Everything else was pretty awesome :up: I don't have any complaints about Bran. He just needs some time to adjust. The old 3-eyed raven wasn't all cold and robotic, and if Bran lives througgh all this he'll grow out of it.

[Psychotic]

Dany was trying to project strength in her first meeting with a person who she didn't know who could be a strong ally or enemy and who was also pretty much an unknown politically seeing as he wasn't involved in anything in the South until he retook winterfell. Being surprised that a queen tries to act like she's the one in control in negotiations seems silly to me.The thing with that is that she has tried the "Do as I say, I am a Targaryen, the Unburnt, Mother of Dragons..." speech half a dozen times and it has never, ever worked. Instead, she has inspired loyalty either through her humanity or, in both cases of Dothraki, her supernatural powers.

If she'd approached her meeting with Jon like a leader instead of an entitled ruler, explained how she got there and what her plans for peace were then he probably would've responded better, just like everyone else she has encountered. But then I guess they wrote it like this to create some dramatic tension.

In mitigation it's also worth noting that Dany as a character is at a disadvantage because the audience knows Jon is right about the White Walkers and that by Dany's own "I am a Targaryen therefore the Iron Throne is mine" logic Jon has a better claim.

[Crop]

The dialogue between Sansa and Bran made me roll my eyes.
"I thought you were the three eyed raven?"
"I told you it'd be difficult to explain"

Err, is it that hard to say "The old one died and now I'm the new one". Definitely one of the worst bits of dialogue on the show.

Other than that, a good episode. Although what's with the timeframes this series? The Unsullied left for Castely Rock two episodes ago and just got there, yet the Iron Fleet was at King's Landing just this episode, then suddenly turned up at the rock two scenes later?!

Anyway, gutted to see Olenna die, but she went out just like she would, with a final 'fuck you' to the Lannisters.

[LunarWeaver]

Happy to see Dany and Jon finally meet after all these years. Still, a no Arya episode is a sad episode for me.

[Psychotic]

Although what's with the timeframes this series? The Unsullied left for Castely Rock two episodes ago and just got there, yet the Iron Fleet was at King's Landing just this episode, then suddenly turned up at the rock two scenes later?!.It is a bit jarring. I guess there's time skips of weeks and months between scenes and they just don't bother showing what happens in between.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Honestly, at this point I couldn't care less about travel times making no sense. It was the point of the story where the siege of Casterly Rock had to happen, and story shouldn't play second-fiddle to geography.

[Jinx]

Jon doesn't have more of a claim to the Iron Throne that Dany (she doesn't even have a claim to it, but). He's a bastard. Even if he's Rhaegar Targaryen's bastard, he still doesn't have claim to the throne.

[Psychotic]

Jon doesn't have more of a claim to the Iron Throne that Dany (she doesn't even have a claim to it, but). He's a bastard. Even if he's Rhaegar Targaryen's bastard, he still doesn't have claim to the throne.Do you really believe he's Rhaegar's bastard? Rhaegar three-heads-has-the-dragon-song-of-ice-and-fire-prince-who-was-promised Targaryen?

[Jinx]

Jon doesn't have more of a claim to the Iron Throne that Dany (she doesn't even have a claim to it, but). He's a bastard. Even if he's Rhaegar Targaryen's bastard, he still doesn't have claim to the throne.Do you really believe he's Rhaegar's bastard? Rhaegar three-heads-has-the-dragon-song-of-ice-and-fire-prince-who-was-promised Targaryen?

Yes. He was married to Elia Martell. The whole "Oh, he had two wives, he was a polygamist!" thing is honestly one of the dumbest fan theories out there.

[Psychotic]

"Jon, guess what! You're a still bastard, just a different man's bastard! Huh! Huh?" is a pretty boring outcome that changes nothing though and I'll be disappointed if it is. His parentage switcheroo has to have some payoff, and it would be fascinating to see the effect on both Jon (does not want power but people want him to have it) and Dany (feels entitled to rule through birthright).

Although with that said it's not above GRRM (Dorne, Brienne's adventures in nowhere, Aeron Greyjoy) and the show runners (Ros, Rickon, Dorne again) to put in totally pointless characters and arcs. So who knows. If he is a bastard, the show and book have laid down a hell of a lot of groundwork to show that actually counts for bugger all if someone wants power. Indeed, Jon above Sansa as KitN is a pretty good example!

but, callin' it, jon is ptwp, true targ, sits on the throne at the end, dany is mhysa mhysa and dies.

[Shaibana]

''did you know what Tyrion made when he build/restored the sewers of Casterly Rock?''
''Hodor''


as to Jon being Rheagar's bastard: yes i believe it. i doubt they aproved or acknowledged the marriage between Rheagar and Lyanna (that was most likely done in secret and without any kind of consent.. (did they get married at all btw? i'm not sure anymore)
therefor the marriage is null and void, and any children of it are considered bastards.

[Jinx]

Jon being a true Targ would be way too neat and tied in a box with a bow. Which is something neither the books--or the show, though to a lesser extent--do.

But hey, I'll eat crow over this if Rhaegar DID marry Lyanna. I'll just think it's really fucking dumb. xD

[Psychotic]

Jon being a true Targ would be way too neat and tied in a box with a bow. Which is something neither the books--or the show, though to a lesser extent--do.I don't know how neat that'll be, I think if there's any truth in the Dany = Mad Queen theory, finding out she's not entitled to the throne will be the spark that lights the fire. Dance of the Dragons 2.0: THE DANCENING.

[Jinx]

Yeah, the only thing I can see that's I'd love is how #triggered Dany would get finding out she's got even less of a claim (negative claim) to the throne.

Especially if the theory that Jon will ride Rhaegon (clearly Viserion is about to eat it, as he is the least important dragon) and then it'd be Dragon vs. Dragon a la Spy vs. Spy.

[Slothy]

Jon doesn't need to be Rhaegars legitimate son if Dany dies and he's the man with the dragons.

[Jinx]

Now there's an ending I could get behind.

[The Captain]

Do they have things like divorces in Westeros? Could Rhaegar have ended his marriage to Elia and married Lyanna in secret? I'm assuming not, since people seem to just father bastard children instead of breaking up, but maybe he was a revolutionary in that way? Obviously, due to its backwards gender politics, it would have to be the men who enacted the divorce too, which is a problem.

As to the acting, I think to a large degree, it's a matter of the characters. Up until now, Dany and Jon Snow have been played as the traditional heroes of the story, thus they don't get the best lines or ever changing character arcs like others do (Jamie, Tyrion, Sansa, The Hound). In fact, while almost every other character has some shade of grey, both of them are straight-forward: Dany was the victim who became a queen and Jon is the bastard who became king. I think both actors are fine in their roles but they aren't asked to do much, aside from proclaim and brood. Maybe the final few episodes will unleash more nuance for them. Also, let's be honest, heroes tend to be boring, it's the villains and rogues that are fun to play and watch.

I really would be interested to see if the final season or two for the show ends up being like the Return Of The King's Oscar victories, where the final chapter saw it be rewarded for everything. Dinklage is rightly praised as being wonderful, but I have to believe others will get some rewards for a job well done.

Take care all.

[Loony BoB]

I also pondered the divorce thing. Here's another similar thought: Bolton legitimised Ramsey Snow into Ramsey Bolton. If, upon the death of the Mad King, Rhaegar was alive (I'm not sure on this part), I'm pretty sure he has 100% right to say smurf you to the wife he doesn't want and legitimise Jon before he is even born. In fact he has every right to do whatever the smurf he wants because he's King (well, that's debateable but if you go by the "Dragons rule 4eva" thing then they'd go with him being king), including voiding his previous marriage. Seems to me that it's the father's choice, based on the Bolton thing.

EDIT: Never mind just read that Rhaegar was killed prior to the Mad King's death, but still, theory of father-can-legitimise-whatever still kicks in, and perhaps mother too.


I really would be interested to see if the final season or two for the show ends up being like the Return Of The King's Oscar victories, where the final chapter saw it be rewarded for everything. Dinklage is rightly praised as being wonderful, but I have to believe others will get some rewards for a job well done.
How cruel that would be to those who acted fantastically in earlier seasons but then got killed off. :shobon:

[Psychotic]

On that subject, who do y'all reckon has been the best actor in the show? I'm going with Alfie Allen. Cocky smug Theon in S1, confused and lost Theon in S2 and then Reek, the Reek-demption and the Reek-turn. He can convey complex emotions with just one look. I don't think Theon is anybody's favourite character by any means, but I'll be damned if he isn't acted to perfection.

[Loony BoB]

I don't know every actor's name so I'm going to just use character names.

Ned. <3 Such a pro.

For those who have the handicap of not being Sean Bean, I'd say the obvious ones that get better acting opportunities, such as Cersei, Ramsey and Joffrey. Oletta is fun. Varys, too. Tyrion. Hmm. Theon, yeah, you're right on him.

You know what, I'm gonna go with Joffrey. Ramsey may have given me the creeps, but Joffrey I felt had the sadist boy king done to perfection.

[Jinx]

>oletta

[Jinx]

I'm not sure who I'd say is the best actor. It's hard to separate who I like because they're just phenomenal, or who I like because I like the character. And there's just a wealth of talent on the show.

If pressed, I'd probably say Iwan Rheon. He was able to be sadistic and genuinely scary, but also made me love him and not want Ramsay to die. And I think that's measure of skill: turning a character you should absolutely hate into one you absolutely love, despite being completely reprehensible.

Honorable mentions go to Lena Headey, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Jack Gleeson, and Maisie Williams.

[Freya]

I'm going to also go with Alfie Allen. Theon's character has been so all over the place with his arch and Allen has done such. a. good. job.

He sold him being a cocky jerk.

He sold him trying to be a cocky jerk but failing

He really sold him being a tortured sad burrito.

And he's selling him trying to be that person he once was but still super hollow from the whole torture thing.

I also really enjoy Gwendoline Christie's portrayal of Brienne

[Fox]

The dialogue between Sansa and Bran made me roll my eyes.
"I thought you were the three eyed raven?"
"I told you it'd be difficult to explain"

Err, is it that hard to say "The old one died and now I'm the new one". Definitely one of the worst bits of dialogue on the show.



I dunno, I think it kinda nicely builds Bran's character. That character being a boring, unappealing and now, to top it all off, holier-than-thou jerk. I don't think he said that cause it's actually difficult to explain... he just wants to be the special mystical snowflake.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

At first I was unsure of why Dany would name a dragon after the brother that was abusive towards her, then I saw this excerpt from Clash of Kings:


"I would name them all for those the gods have taken. The green one shall be Rhaegal, for my valiant brother who died on the green banks of the Trident. The cream-and-gold I call Viserion. Viserys was cruel and weak and frightened, yet he was my brother still. His dragon will do what he could not."

And a bit from a nice quora (https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Daenerys-named-one-of-her-dragons-after-her-brother-who-was-abusive-towards-her) thread


Her brother was dead and his memories were all that remained. He could not hurt her anymore. Instead of keeping grudges and withholding evil notions about him, Viserion was her peace with her brother. A way of saying goodbye. A way of upholding his legacy, whatever was left of it anyways. One of awakening the dragon within. Literally.

I'd also like to think that even in a small way, it's a homage to the version of her brother she knew when they were younger. The boy that looked after her. Her last known relative in the world.


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[The Captain]

It is indeed tough to pick out the "best" actor involved in the show. Obviously Dinklage just IS Tyrion at this point and they don't call her DAME Diana Rigg for nothing, but I give major props to Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: (NSFW, little bit of nudity)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5oRxgphRc
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5oRxgphRc)

Considering the series opened with Jamie literally throwing a kid out the window, somehow I am still rooting for him to keep his soul and that's says it. This scene specifically is just magnificently acted as all of his sins are laid bare once and for all.

I'd also give a special shoutout to Charles Dance and Pedro Pascal, both gave wonderfully layered performances as well.

Also, despite what some believe, I think all of the children actors (All of whom aren't kids anymore) have really settled into their roles very well indeed.

Take care all.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I just read episode 3 was the last appearance of Ellaria Sand. I suppose it makes sense, but i'm still shocked. I guess I was expecting to see Tyene's death and some kind of struggle to escape, even if it came to no avail.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2017/07/31/ellaria-sand-actress-confirms-wont-coming-back-game-thrones/


[Showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss] called me, but I kind of knew already. Obviously there’s lots of trimming going on. It’s all coming to a head and you have to get rid of less important characters that the audience hasn’t had the chance to invest in as much. So I was expecting it. I wasn’t heartbroken. And I was like, “As long as I die on screen…” and they were like “Yeah!” But of course I don’t die on screen. I stay alive, I’m just not going to reappear. I think it’s really clever.

[Jinx]

Honestly, that shot of Ellaria and Tyene struggling to reach each other for the smallest amount of comfort is enough, I think. I don't need to see either of them die. That image was a lot more powerful than an on-screen death.

[Psychotic]

Honestly, that shot of Ellaria and Tyene struggling to reach each other for the smallest amount of comfort is enough, I think. I don't need to see either of them die. That image was a lot more powerful than an on-screen death.Yeah, I agree. I was not expecting to see either one again. Cersei's speech and their desperate attempts seemed really final to me.

[The Captain]

Since this show loves echoes, foreshadowing and callbacks so much, who wants to bet that if any of Dany's dragons do die, it will be Viserion due to some sort of heavy head injury? A golden crown for a golden dragon.

I'm still not really buying a giant crossbow as the weapon to beat them.

Take care all.

[Bubba]

All the dragons will succumb to an evolved form of greyscale.

Calling it now.

[Loony BoB]

Giant crossbow will almost certainly kill one of the dragons. But probably just one. I wouldn't be shocked if while mining for dragonglass they stumble across additional dragon eggs to replace any dead dragons though so who knows. Although you do have to wonder if having that many dragons is a good thing for Westeros. Who controls them all? But yeah.

[Slothy]

Normally I'd say a a ballista shouldn't be able to penetrate a dragons armour seeing as they're supposed to be really tough and everything, but when some dudes managed to stick spears in one I think it shows they can. Might need to be a very well placed shot to do it but it can be done. Or at the very least they can try and take out the wings. Put enough holes in them and they get a lot easier to hit.

[Night Fury]

Hmmm, is the really old 3 eyed raven dude just future bran anyway hmmmm

[Doomie]

I think there's too much evidence to suggest that Tyrion is actually a Targaryan. D + J + T = three dragons. Can't really see one of the dying.

[Jinx]

The evidence being the fan base really wants it? :p

[Freya]

Jinx, we learned like 4 episodes ago that jon is even rhaegars son. Which wasn't ever actually said in the books yet. And yet, you're absolutely convinced that Jon cannot be a legit heir. And now you're teasing that no other theories such as Tyrion being one too (okay I do think that's a reach). It was just 4 episodes ago that the reveal even happened from the R+L=J theory being confirmed.

You do not know if he is legit or not. You do not know if other theories are legit or not. Despite if you think it's lame or not it could very well be true. R+L=J is kinda lame too in general if you're anti-"lead character being more important than we thought" trope.

People theorized that Gravedigger was the hound. Surprise! That's true too. People thought Melissandre was super old. Surprise, that's true too! People thought Arya would be the one to exact revenge on the Freys. Look that happened as well!

Yes, some theories are a bit ridiculous like merman varys (That one is fun), but dismissing them outright because you don't like them while several have proven to be true, ehhhh.

Let people have fun. It's fun to think Tyrion, Jon, and Dany are this 3-headed team of awesome! It's fun to think Jon is the rightful king since he started off the series as a lonely bastard that even his stepmom hated. People like rooting for him. This series is so fun because there's so many little things littered throughout it that can pay off in big reveals if you pay attention. No one but the showrunners and GRRM know how this will end. We're at the point where they're the only ones with the info now. So until it says otherwise, Syrio is still alive okay!

[Psychotic]

On the subject of theories, I really want the Grand Northern Conspiracy to be true in the books, leading to Stannis winning against the Boltons.

[Jinx]

Freya, my most recent post was basically "what evidence?". Granted, I do think Tyrion being a Targ is a stretch, but I said so because there isn't evidence.

Like, strangely enough there's much more situational evidence for for Varys being a merman than there is for Jon being a legitimate Targaryen or Tyrion being the son of Aerys.

People can can have fun, but if you're gonna make claims that there's tons of evidence, I don't think it's unreasonable when people ask you what that is.


Psy, I don't know that one.

[Jinx]

Also, KAYCEE, Game of Thrones is the most serious thing ever. This is a No Fun Zone. :colbert:

[Shauna]

THE MOST SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[Shauna]

Also GoT is pretty decent I'm watching it yeah look at that Jon Snow.

[Jinx]

"He's actually a Targaryen, he's Jon Snow more."

There, that's my contribution to the shitty pun jokes and my feelings about this whole mess.

[The Captain]

I'd actually much prefer that the story doesn't turn into "Everyone is a secret Targaryen!" by the end of it. In fact, I think it matters more if Tyrion IS Tywin's son because it gives everything that happened between the two of them that much more impact.

Has anyone else noticed that just about all of Tyrion's plans have gone wrong in the last two years too? Perhaps Dany could use a military general to lead her group, if only there was someone around....

I have a sneaking suspicion that we're in store for a surprise death very soon. The show feels like it's really setting everything up too nicely.

Take care all.

[Psychotic]

Psy, I don't know that one.https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1iwfc1/spoilers_all_the_grand_northern_conspiracy_parts/

it's really fucking long so tl;dr The North Remembers, fuck off Boltons

[Jinx]

I'd actually much prefer that the story doesn't turn into "Everyone is a secret Targaryen!" by the end of it. In fact, I think it matters more if Tyrion IS Tywin's son because it gives everything that happened between the two of them that much more impact.

Has anyone else noticed that just about all of Tyrion's plans have gone wrong in the last two years too? Perhaps Dany could use a military general to lead her group, if only there was someone around....

I have a sneaking suspicion that we're in store for a surprise death very soon. The show feels like it's really setting everything up too nicely.

Take care all.

someone like Jorah Mormont, who was recently cured of Greyscale and is on his way to Dragonstone?

[Shaibana]

Giant crossbow will almost certainly kill one of the dragons. But probably just one. I wouldn't be shocked if while mining for dragonglass they stumble across additional dragon eggs to replace any dead dragons though so who knows. Although you do have to wonder if having that many dragons is a good thing for Westeros. Who controls them all? But yeah.

i dont think Dany has the time (or patience) to wait for those dragons to hatch and grow into usable pokemon.. euuhh, i mean dragons, so these 3 will have to do for now.


as for Rheagars marriage: Aegon the 1st married both his sisters Visenya and Rhaenys. so polygamy is (possible) not completely off the table. (tho i still think if he even ever married Lyanna it was and will never be a legit marriage)