Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Noctis Caelum]

I can't be the only one who was not bothered by the gore of this last episode x_x
I was aroused tbh. There aren't many that can get away with it and make it look so tasteful. A comparable is Walking Dead, and their gore is so cheesy that I can't watch that shit anymore. Does absolutely nothing for me. Not to mention it has turned into the worlds most boring soap opera featuring some zombies every now and again.

[Shorty]

I wouldn't call it tasteful but xD Ah, I dunno. It was appropriate to the show and a combat scenario with The Mountain.

The Walking Dead is a bit overblown, but their gore really makes me squirm at times.

[Noctis Caelum]

For the most part it is tasteful, like when Arya pokes people with her pathetically skinny little blade. The guy doesn't start sneezing out blood. It just looks tasteful. At least they didn't show a close up of Oberyn's head getting caved in. That's where it was tasteful. I imagine if we saw that in great detail, people would be more horrified and would just outright stop watching the show. And that's a shame. The next two episodes are going to blow peoples minds. Especially the last death of the season.

[I Took the Red Pill]

I had no problem with the violence in this episode. I'm just having problems with the show in general. I'll probably get ripped apart for this, but I just don't think it's a very good show anymore. The first two seasons were excellent, three was decent, but now I think it's sloppy and mostly boring.

The writing is not very good, bordering on bad at points (imo). I'm sorry but the beetle-crushing speech was just banal and trying way too hard. Scenes with Pod and Brienne are totally cringeworthy...comic relief has a place in every serious drama but they overstep the line. And oh dear lord when Daenarys tells Jorah "tell him I changed my mind..." *starts to walk away* "no wait tell him YOU changed my mind". Christ I wanted to throw a rock through the TV. These are just the examples coming to mind now, but I'm noticing it a lot more this season.

Most of the storylines are boring and I don't care about them. I don't give a trout about Khaleesi going to 29994158319 identical Mediterranean cities and freeing the slaves. I don't give a trout about the Hound and Arya (unlikely partnership #130201030510) walking for 20 years through the same bleak marsh. The best scenes take place at King's Landing, because things actually happen there. Every episode is 55 minutes of people talking and walking and then the last 2-3 minutes is the mind-blowing violent ending that keeps people talking about the show.

I'm also starting to think this show was just a bit too ambitious considering the ridiculous scope of the book. We go for weeks without encountering certain storylines, only to be brought back when we've almost completely forgot about them.

I will still give the show a lot of credit for cinematography and production. Some of the actors are really good (Oberyn, Tyrion, Tywin, Vaerys, Stannis, et al are great) and are probably the reason I'm still watching the show.

idk...I don't expect to see much agreement here considering that this is the thread for the show and that everyone seems to really like the show. Please understand that I'm not trying to belittle the fact that you enjoy the show. I'm just venting my frustrations and disappointments. And I'll still watch the whole thing because I have to see what happens now; I just hope it can regain the magic that I found while watching Season 1.

[Shorty]

Yep, that Jorah/Danaerys scene was cheese. I can agree with some of your points, but I'm still too invested in the show/storyline to stop!

[Del Murder]

One of the best episodes of this series was the battle of Blackwater because it pretty much focused on one event and gave that the full treatment. Like I've said before, it would have been better to do full episodes or even a full season of Dany's storyline (and other storylines) rather than this disjointed method of catching up 5 minutes with each character per week. I get that this is the way the book does it but the advantage of books is that the reader can skip ahead and return back as they please.

Also I don't mind The Walking Dead gore for some reason, yet I was really disturbed with this scene and the final moment of The Red Wedding episode. TWD violence is more...cartoony I guess.

Really the best part of this show is talking about it with you all and others. I probably would have stopped watching if it wasn't as popular. Because I don't need to see this kind of crap.

[Shorty]

Oh, yeah, Joffrey's poisoned face was one of the most gruesome things of this entire series to me.

[Madame Adequate]

Christ Almighty I've never been shaken by a scene like I was by that last scene

[Pike]

Yeah I'm sorry but I covered my eyes during the last bit there. Sorry guys; I'm a wuss.

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Also mad because yet another great character bites the dust :stare:

[Psychotic]

I think I can agree with a lot of the criticisms you made, Red Pill. A truly bad scene was the Missandei/Grey Worm business. "Hey look we've got these other characters over in Essos besides Dany! Wanna see some titties? Course ya do! CONFLICT.... CONFLICT RESOLVED!" I did not get the point of that whatsoever. Looking back, anything with Roz was also entirely inane and pointless.

When the show is good, it is very, very smurfing good. Sublime, even. And that makes up for some of the weaker parts.

Anyway, the gore itself wasn't a problem. Thumbs being stuck into god damn eye sockets while a man screams was jarring though.

[Pike]

Yep, that Jorah/Danaerys scene was cheese.

dude no this gave me feels out the wazoo

[Madame Adequate]

It was Ellaria's scream that really did it for me but yeah what happened here was a man got his entire mouth caved in with one punch, his eyes were imploded by someone's thumbs, and then his head was crushed. Like if you can watch that and not flinch god damn get some help.

Of course GRRM kills one of the best characters in the entire series really quickly. Oh hoopty-doopty Gilly survives but Oberyn Martell doesn't.

God damnit.

Although Jaime's childlike glee and enthusiasm when he realizes what a great fight he's watching was the best thing.

e; And oh yeah Sarah that's Sam-tier wrongness about this show, that scene was super feels and powerful. Poor Jorah. :(

[Formalhaut]

Interesting thing is we aren't even at the traditional 'climax' episode, Episode Nine. We've had Baelor, Blackwater, Rains of Castamere, and now The Watchers on the Wall.

I'd buckle up - this season hasn't even reached the crescendo yet.

[Shorty]

That scene itself was fine, it was her last line that Red Pill pointed out that made it grossly cheese.

[Del Murder]

Interesting thing is we aren't even at the traditional 'climax' episode, Episode Nine. We've had Baelor, Blackwater, Rains of Castamere, and now The Watchers on the Wall.

I'd buckle up - this season hasn't even reached the crescendo yet.
If you put the pieces together the climax of this season will not be something any of us will enjoy. I hope to be proven wrong though!

[Psychotic]

Yeah I think Oberyn - and indeed Renly - are characters that died far too soon.

[Shorty]

Interesting thing is we aren't even at the traditional 'climax' episode, Episode Nine. We've had Baelor, Blackwater, Rains of Castamere, and now The Watchers on the Wall.

I'd buckle up - this season hasn't even reached the crescendo yet.
If you put the pieces together the climax of this season will not be something any of us will enjoy. I hope to be proven wrong though!

True enough, but GRRM is noted for usually concealing a piece, is he not? Example: Littlefinger stealing away with Sansa. His absence went un-noted until he resurfaced to carry her off to The Vale.

[Jinx]

To be fair, Oberyn is kind of lame in the books. I didn't care about him at all. In the show he's AWESOME.

Also, I second Del: the only reason I keep watching this show is because I enjoy talking about it with others. SO many people watch the show these days. It's gotten really bad, and basically everything Red Pill has said is spot on.

[Noctis Caelum]

I had no problem with the violence in this episode. I'm just having problems with the show in general. I'll probably get ripped apart for this, but I just don't think it's a very good show anymore. The first two seasons were excellent, three was decent, but now I think it's sloppy and mostly boring. I stopped reading there.

[Del Murder]

If you put the pieces together the climax of this season will not be something any of us will enjoy. I hope to be proven wrong though!

True enough, but GRRM is noted for usually concealing a piece, is he not? Example: Littlefinger stealing away with Sansa. His absence went un-noted until he resurfaced to carry her off to The Vale.
Sweet. Can't wait for Shagga of the Stone Crows to come and save Tyrion from the headsman.

[Psychotic]

Also, I second Del: the only reason I keep watching this show is because I enjoy talking about it with others. SO many people watch the show these days. It's gotten really bad, and basically everything Red Pill has said is spot on.It's not that bad. It's at least 70% awesome.

[I Took the Red Pill]

I had no problem with the violence in this episode. I'm just having problems with the show in general. I'll probably get ripped apart for this, but I just don't think it's a very good show anymore. The first two seasons were excellent, three was decent, but now I think it's sloppy and mostly boring. I stopped reading there.Wonderful contribution to the thread. I expect that I will be pondering your argument for days. Well thought out, articulately presented...are you at Harvard Law by chance? Because this is the absolute pinnacle of rational discourse.

[Shorty]

Can we get a recap of prominent folks who have died in this season?

Also, forgot to mention - I am interested to see what plans the Boltons have for the North. Speculation: I have a feeling Ramsay will end up murdering his father for some personal benefit because I can't see him being capable of any love or honor toward anyone other than himself. Now that Roose has given him a document sealing his name change to the Bolton house and essentially naming him heir and handing the North to Ramsay, there is really no reason for Roose to remain alive.

[Del Murder]

I don't know about that, Ramsay has shown definite deference to his father. He seemed legit touched to be made a Bolton. I think he's just insane rather than coniving.

[Formalhaut]

Can we get a recap of prominent folks who have died in this season?

Off the top of my head, you have

- King Joffrey Baratheon
- Ser Dontos Hollard (the guy who helped Sansa out)
- The many great masters of Mereen
- The mutineers at Craster's Keep
- Lysa Arryn
- Prince Oberyn Martell

In terms of very major deaths, you're basically looking at Joffrey, Lysa and Oberyn.

[Madame Adequate]

Joffrey and Oberyn are the big ones. The Mountain too, though he's less important and I couldn't actually tell if he was dead or merely exhausted at the end of the fight. Yes I know he's poisoned and probably becomes Robert Strong and all but w/e. I actually can't think of anyone else major though. e; oh hurr right Lysa Arryn.

Keith if your only contribution is "this is a bad show" because you dislike some of the storylines or characters the only argument anyone can offer in return is "no it's a good show". Like yeah the show doesn't hit the mark every time, I'm not all that jazzed about the Sam and Gilly stuff for example, and it's got such a huge scope that inevitably some storylines have to take backseat at times (like uh aren't we meant to be seeing Stannis at the wall a few weeks ago?). But if you just plain dislike large segments of it, what value is there in trying to convince you otherwise? You thought the beetle speech was banal and trying too hard: I thought it was excellent and powerful and held a huge amount of symbolic importance for the show. There's no way to resolve that difference, I'm unlikely to convince you it's great and you're unlikely to convince me it's bad.

So the only thing to do is scorn each other for bad taste.

[Pike]

I like watching the characters and how they interact. In that sense I watch this show for the same reason I watched My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

[Shiny]

I partially agree with Red Pill's critique. Season 1 and 2 were pretty good. This season feels like filler. Every time I see Hound & Arya, or Dany they're doing the same boring trout. The only thing of interest to me this entire season has been what's going on with the Lannisters and Littlefinger's weird trout. It sucks because while this season is full of filler, it has some of the best moments in the last minutes of the show. I would say all in all after this season is done, it will have the most "omg" moments of any season thus far.

[magemasher]

The ending reminded me of the time I dropped a water melon in the fruit aisle, chunks everywhere. Sansa's transformation into Edea was a shock at the end that could get very interesting if she's found her dark side (like Arya). I'm now wondering whether Arya and Hound make progress through the gate. A very grim episode for the good guys last night.

[Formalhaut]

Joffrey and Oberyn are the big ones... I actually can't think of anyone else major though. e; oh hurr right Lysa Arryn.

I'd say Lysa Arryn is pretty important - her death has markedly impacted both Sansa's and Littlefinger's storylines. Just because it's way up in the Eyrie (which is still conspicuously absent from the title sequence) doesn't mean it's not important.

[Noctis Caelum]

I had no problem with the violence in this episode. I'm just having problems with the show in general. I'll probably get ripped apart for this, but I just don't think it's a very good show anymore. The first two seasons were excellent, three was decent, but now I think it's sloppy and mostly boring. I stopped reading there.Wonderful contribution to the thread. I expect that I will be pondering your argument for days. Well thought out, articulately presented...are you at Harvard Law by chance? Because this is the absolute pinnacle of rational discourse.I don't need to dispute (or as you so appropriately word it: contribute) anything in a thread about something that I love and enjoy. I don't go to threads and talk about things that I find boring. I guess I'm just not that masochistic. Better things to do with my time. Please do go on about speaking rationally though, I'm sure you've got a few nuggets of wisdom lodged in there that should be humoured.

[Ultima Shadow]

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooOOOoooooooo!!!!!!!


Oberyn was like my 4th fav character! :(

[Noctis Caelum]

I don't give a trout about the Hound and Arya (unlikely partnership #130201030510) walking for 20 years through the same bleak marsh.
You speak of how the show is a mess and horribly written, but you are bastardizing one of the only truly genuine aspects of the show. And that's the travel time between Sandor and Arya. It is unadulterated, and not sped up to insane and unrealistic proportions, unlike every other character (it took less than a whole episode for Petyr and Sansa to go from Kings Landing by boat to the Eyrie). But oh, let's completely dismiss time being poorly explained and give the only example that shows that time isn't sped up a millionfold and consider it a fault on the show's behalf.

HBO is doing a horrible job making sure that Arya and Sandor don't travel around Westeros at the speed of light, you're right. It's not the show's fault that you're an impatient meathead. Or maybe it is. -shrug-

I don't really care to respond to anything else you said, I just think this is something that really needed to be addressed, because nobody else is gonna call you out on your bulltrout.


Every episode is 55 minutes of people talking and walking and then the last 2-3 minutes is the mind-blowing violent ending that keeps people talking about the show.
Here is more evidence that you are exactly as I said. An impatient meathead.

You don't have to agree with the points made, but let's refrain from insults during a debate. ~Shorty

[I Took the Red Pill]

Keith if your only contribution is "this is a bad show" because you dislike some of the storylines or characters the only argument anyone can offer in return is "no it's a good show". Like yeah the show doesn't hit the mark every time, I'm not all that jazzed about the Sam and Gilly stuff for example, and it's got such a huge scope that inevitably some storylines have to take backseat at times (like uh aren't we meant to be seeing Stannis at the wall a few weeks ago?). But if you just plain dislike large segments of it, what value is there in trying to convince you otherwise? You thought the beetle speech was banal and trying too hard: I thought it was excellent and powerful and held a huge amount of symbolic importance for the show. There's no way to resolve that difference, I'm unlikely to convince you it's great and you're unlikely to convince me it's bad.You misunderstand the point of my post. I don't expect to "convince" anyone otherwise. Nor do I expect to "resolve that difference". Nor do I want to do either of those things.

If you read the last paragraph of my post, then you saw that it was mostly a venting of frustrations. At most I hoped people would address specific points I brought up in the post, which they have, so I'm happy about that, whether I agree or disagree with what they're saying.


I don't need to dispute (or as you so appropriately word it: contribute) anything in a thread about something that I love and enjoy. I don't go to threads and talk about things that I find boring. I guess I'm just not that masochistic. Better things to do with my time. Please do go on about speaking rationally though, I'm sure you've got a few nuggets of wisdom lodged in there that should be humoured.The reason I talk about a show I find boring is because it used to be not boring, and I'm disappointed in it. The thread is for discussion of the TV show. I'm bringing up specifics so that I can see how others feel about it. For the third time, it was meant to be my venting. If you didn't read it, fine, I don't care. But making a post about how you didn't read my post is unnecessarily blasé, rude, and worthless.


You speak of how the show is a mess and horribly written, but you are bastardizing one of the only truly genuine aspects of the show. And that's the travel time between Sandor and Arya. It is unadulterated, and not sped up to insane and unrealistic proportions, unlike every other character (it took less than a whole episode for Petyr and Sansa to go from Kings Landing by boat to the Eyrie). But oh, let's completely dismiss time being poorly explained and give the only example that shows that time isn't sped up a millionfold and consider it a fault on the show's behalf.Ah, ok then. Glad to see you have deigned to respond to my point. My comment that the writing is "borderline bad" has somehow become "horribly written".We have a word magician in our presence. Watch him as he pulls loaded words out of thin air!

If you like the dynamic between Arya and the Hound, that's wonderful. Yes, travelling on foot would be slow and would take a long time. And so if you have a storyline that is strong enough to be given 10-15 minutes of showtime every episode, then I have no problem with it. But I find this particular storyline to be tired and repetitive. Hound says something gruff about killing a man, Arya says something clever that undermines what he's saying, Hound mumbles and grumbles, lather, rinse, repeat. I don't care if it's unadulterated, quasi-realtime travel. It's still boring. Ah, but you know what? I'm just an impatient meathead. Just...just forget it, ok? My opinion is clearly not worthy of your consideration.

[Freya]

The next episode is supposed to have a record budget like double Blackwater's and I believe spends the whole time at the wall. Did you see that preview? Eeeeee I'm excited.

[Noctis Caelum]

My opinion is clearly not worthy of your consideration.
At least we agree about one thing.

[Formalhaut]

One person that everyone's forgotten about is Ygritte. She's been very quiet all season, only appearing here and there. She's hardened up alot since Jon left, and I know people were surprised with how callously she attacked that small village earlier in this season (Episode Three, I think).

Because of all that, I did quite like that bit with Gilly - it shows that she still has a heart.

Also, did no-one else get a 'Black Swan' vibe from new Sansa's outfit?

[Shorty]

My opinion is clearly not worthy of your consideration.
At least we agree about one thing.

Enough, please. Let's keep things civil.

[Psychotic]

The next episode is supposed to have a record budget like double Blackwater's and I believe spends the whole time at the wall. Did you see that preview? Eeeeee I'm excited.Double Blackwater? The entire time at the Wall? Man, it's gonna be some full on Helm's Deep trout, isn't it? I hope we full on see mammoths and giants wrecking shit :excited:

[Shaibana]

OOOH MYYYY GOOOOOOOD what an episode!
i knew Oberyn would die... but ow man! HOW he died

sidenote: sansa looked drop dead gorgeous when she walked down the stairs

[Loony BoB]

Then I told my spouse about this episode and she was like "Why do you watch this?" Which is a really good question. Why do we? It feels good to watch the bad guys get their comeuppance. It doesn't feel good to watch the good guys die horrible deaths. Maybe there's some schadenfreude, but it has its limits. Does reading something horrible make us feel better about our lives by comparison? Do we all have a violent, sadistic side that this stuff appeals to? I've been really into dark fiction for a while and I can't explain the appeal, but the appeal is clearly there.
I think this really sums up how annoyed I am at this episode. Did the gore shock me? No. Did the scream get to me? No. Did the manner of his death get to me? No. It was the fact that yet again the good guy loses and it was just so effing frustrating. Not just that, though - that it ended right there, like that.

I immediately, out of frustration, went ahead and spoiled what happens in the future by reading the book's wiki. I have no regrets about doing this. It's got to the point that I'm almost willing to just read the entire wiki to find out everything and then can watch the TV series with a bit more peace of mind. There is a line where things become so bad for everyone that I just don't give a trout about spoilers anymore, and I've crossed that line. :shobon:

One thing I must say is that hot damn Sansa was smokin' hot when she came down those stairs. It was jaw dropping. It's a unbelievable (literally) turnaround but I hope like hell that doesn't mean she's going to be Littlefinger's Bitch. I hope she becomes his superior if anything. I definitely hope she doesn't end up smurfing with him or Robin because she deserves better. ...she'll probably end up doing both and another character will be ruined. ._. Here's hoping for a pleasant surprise for a change, though.

This series needs pleasant surprises to go with the bad, and I feel the balance has been quite off this season... maybe it's just me. Ah well.

Either way, that episode was definitely notable. Gutted we didn't see the Stark sister reunion.

[Jinx]

OMG EVEN LOONY BOB IS OKAY WITH SPOILERS NOW WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?

[Loony BoB]

I'm not okay with spoilers here, I can select spoilers I read in the Wiki. ;) But yeah, it's just the general nature of not wanting to feel like rubbish for watching an episode.

[Dr Unne]

One person that everyone's forgotten about is Ygritte. She's been very quiet all season, only appearing here and there. She's hardened up alot since Jon left, and I know people were surprised with how callously she attacked that small village earlier in this season (Episode Three, I think).

Because of all that, I did quite like that bit with Gilly - it shows that she still has a heart.

She straight-up murdered half a dozen women a few seconds before she found Gilly. She was always hard and she still is.

Jon misunderstood her as being less a wildling than she was, and she misunderstood Jon as having rejected the Night's Watch when he was just pretending. When they found that guy and the wildlings were telling Jon to kill him to prove his loyalties, Ygritte's reaction wasn't "poor old man", it was "do it Jon!". The thing Jon and Ygritte had together north of the Wall was genuine to a point, but they both had clouded pictures of each other. After she filled him full of arrows, I imagine they understand each other a little better now. If she has a heart, it's buried pretty deep.

[Jess]

I just stream it from the net in the morning so I don't have to wait as long :D
I barely have 10 minutes to spare in the morning before I leave for work, yet alone an hour! :(

I just watched. Holy trout.

The gore didn't really bother me as I'm not particularly sqeamish, but it was far more brutal than I imagined they would do! If people went battrout crazy over the Red Wedding, well, wow.

But it was just chilling. Oberyns screaming. Ellaria's screaming. The smile disappearing from Jaime's face when he realised Oberyn was done for. Cersei's smile. Oh man, it sent chills through me.

Even though I knew it was going to happen, I'm still gutted because I think Pedro was fantastic.

I also loved the scene between Jaime & Tyrion. It was just brothers being brothers. It was really sweet, I think.

I personally still love the series as much as I did when I first began watching it. Watching the characters grow, and change. I find it fascinating. Sure, there are scenes and characters that aren't as gripping as others, but is this not always the case? Everybody has their favourites and those that they can't connect with. For me, I struggle to connect with the Bran story.

I like that we're beginning to see the transformation of Sansa.



The next episode is supposed to have a record budget like double Blackwater's and I believe spends the whole time at the wall. Did you see that preview? Eeeeee I'm excited.Double Blackwater? The entire time at the Wall? Man, it's gonna be some full on Helm's Deep trout, isn't it? I hope we full on see mammoths and giants wrecking trout :excited:
There has to be! :excited:

[Loony BoB]

She has a heart, she loved him.

He betrayed her.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

[Ayen]

I can't be the only one who was not bothered by the gore of this last episode x_x

Can't say I was expecting his head to explode, but the gore didn't bother me.

I have to agree the beetle scene was trying too hard, though. If it was just the writers saying Westeros was unfair you get the same result from Tyrion saying, "If you want justice you came to the wrong place."

[Madame Adequate]

Yeah Sansa just revealed that she is a high-grade player of the game and is just about done smurfing around with pretending to be meek and helpless. She ain't no basic bitch. And god damn that outfit she had at the end.

[Shorty]

Daniel, you seriously went and spoiled it for yourself? Why not just wait! gah you guys kill me

[Slothy]

This series needs pleasant surprises to go with the bad, and I feel the balance has been quite off this season... maybe it's just me. Ah well.

Hopefully it's just you Bob. For some reason some people have this strange notion that a work of art has to make you feel good to be good. That's silly. If it made you feel at all then it did it's job. Happy endings have their place, but having them in all of the media someone consumes is for children and those with fragile dispositions.

And gore ain't nothing to be afraid of. The bloodier the better I always say.

[McLovin']

Can we get a recap of prominent folks who have died in this season?

Off the top of my head, you have

- King Joffrey Baratheon
- Ser Dontos Hollard (the guy who helped Sansa out)
- The many great masters of Mereen
- The mutineers at Craster's Keep
- Lysa Arryn
- Prince Oberyn Martell

In terms of very major deaths, you're basically looking at Joffrey, Lysa and Oberyn.

You forgot about Karl. He was a fookin' legend m8.

[Loony BoB]

Yeah Sansa just revealed that she is a high-grade player of the game and is just about done smurfing around with pretending to be meek and helpless. She ain't no basic bitch. And god damn that outfit she had at the end.
Considering how little I cared for her in the early seasons, she may be my favourite character at the moment, the one I'm rooting for the most. Oddly I'm finding myself rooting for Theon a bit now too, despite hating him earlier in the series. Funny how if you treat someone bad enough then you hope the best for them in the end despite how bad they were beforehand. I guess similar things happened with Jaime although I personally took a lot longer to come around to him than most did. I liked him most as a dicky bad guy, I disliked his good turn when everyone was all "aww Jaime pity pity pity" but like him now that he's his own man again instead of Mr. Sympathy.

Fave characters at present...
1. Sansa. Deserves a fantastic turn and hopefully this is the start of it. Also? Smokin' hot, it turns out.
2. Davos. The closest to Ned as you'll get from the remaining cast.
3. Bronn. Just so laid back about everything, I love him.
4. The Hound. Hilarious in general.
5. Margaery. Smooth'n'interesting.
6. Hodor. Hodor.
7. Olenna. Wittiest character in the game.
8. Tyrion. The People's Champion (on Earth).
9. Tormund. Just really like him. Dunno quite why. He's not that interesting plot-wise really. Just really interested in seeing how his story plays out...
10. Varys. Knocked down considerably after betraying Tyrion. Hopefully has a half decent reason...
Special mentions: Grenn & Eddison

Least favourite characters at present...
1. Baelish. Still doing creepy stares? Okay then.
2. Pycelle. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING? I SAW YOU IN THAT ONE SCENE YOU FAKER. NOW WHEEEEN???
3. Bran. You bore me so you must be pretty awesome a season or two down the line!
4. Tommen. The Boring King.
5. Robin. But I suspect I'll like him soon? I guess? Because he's about to become more than what he was before? I dunno.
6. Sam. He's getting annoying now.
7. Gilly. So's she. She's like the new Sansa-of-old.
8. Styr. Compared to the other characters in this series, he's kind of cliché.
9. Daario. *shrug* Just don't get the appeal.
10. Pod. Pod, I loved you. Why have you turned to this list? Here's hoping for development.
Special mentions: Daenerys. Just a bit ho-hum right now, really.

Most liked disliked characters (you gotta have 'em).
1. Tywin, you brilliant prick.
2. Clegane, I hate you so much right now and the only thing that makes me like you is that so many people want to kill you and it makes me really excited to see how your life plays out now that the entire of Earth wants you dead too.
3. Ramsay, god damn, you're bloody nuts.
4. Cersei, ;aighda;ihagiohea;gihasd :stare: Epitime of the word 'bitch'.
5. Joffrey, why the hell do I miss you oh my God.
Special mention: Alliser Thorne. Dick.

[Jinx]

I really hope Tyrion dies soon so Sansa will be a free woman and can marry Baelish.

[Loony BoB]

Daniel, you seriously went and spoiled it for yourself? Why not just wait! gah you guys kill me
Because I get feels from TV. And I don't like feeling like trout. And I really felt just trout after that episode. It wasn't an "OH MY GOD!" thing like Red Wedding or anything. It wasn't "Awwww :(" or anything like that. It was more "Oh, for smurf's sake, here we go again."

Vivi22: I love unhappy endings in a lot of things. Mad City is one of my favourite movies that can be used as an example of this. It left me so sad, but I don't mind feeling sad or shocked. It's the feeling of having someone swing a baseball bat into your face for the fifth or so time that makes me go "Okay, that's it. You know what? No. You're a dick. That is a dick thing to do. Stop being a dick." Essentially the moment that it stops feeling like I'm reacting to the plot and starts feeling like I'm reacting to the writing... that's when the bad things become unbalanced for me.

[Ayen]

I really hope Tyrion dies soon so Sansa will be a free woman and can marry Baelish.

I hope a certain individual kills Baelish. :zombie:

[Shorty]

Exercise some smurfing self-restraint, jesus xD What do you think they are building to in the finale? A likely awesome moment, as finales usually go!

or, you know, rob yourself of a probably awesome televised moment, do as you wish xD I don't watch trailers or read future episode descriptions or watch "coming up on game of thrones" because I want to be totally and completely surprised and can't imagine wanting otherwise.

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, but you just watched this and you seem pretty excited. I get miffed, I get upset, I get annoyed. I don't want to feel that way, so I spoiled something for myself and I don't mind. It's not like everyone who has read the books hasn't done the same thing because they wanted to find out what happens next.

But yeah, you and I just clearly enjoy different things in this regard, or react to the endings differently or something. Self restraint would have just left me feeling crap all evening. Hell, I still feel a fair bit crap about it all.

If the thing I spoiled for myself is the "big moment" then it's a really poor one, so I don't think I've ruined much for myself. Also, I have spoiled some pretty massive things in the show accidentally before (well, had people spoil them for me) and I still enjoyed those moments immensely. I don't have to worry about a lack of shock with Game of Thrones. :p

[Shorty]

I feel it's different with the books. It's a different journey altogether, and knowing what comes from them is not the same as reading a wiki page to spoil what comes next in future episodes for yourself.

I'm excited because a tv show can't leave me feeling like shit for more than ten minutes later, if at all xD

[Jinx]

I just watches Ayra's laughing scene, and sorry. Not that good. Not Maisie's finest acting moment (and I'm generally a fan of her, even though I don't like Arya).

[Loony BoB]

Ah, yeah, I'm different. I can get a real boon or a real downer over stuff like this. To be fair, it's a sign of a good show that can manage to affect someone in such a way (although movies do it better for me) but this particular moment is the first time in the entire series that I've just seen it as a "Haha smurf you guys" moment from the writer. It was also the way that I could see it coming from the moment he said "Ah, no, I want you to say it, you can't die yet" and I just shook my head in repulsion. Everything from that moment was painfully obvious. I mean, I could see it happening from the moment he was even asking him to confess first. But at the point he said he can't die before he says it when the Mountain was on the ground, I could almost have walked out of the room. What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

Jinx: I felt Arya's scene was pretty funny if only because of the moment she starts laughing, not because of Arya, but because of the combination of Arya and the Hound's faces. It was hilarious. I don't mind if other people are all focused on the acting, humour is something that GoT thankfully often gets done well.

[Shorty]

What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

What was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.

The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.

[Jinx]

Just finished the episode:

I had a really good chuckle and thought it was rather silly when Oberyn started doing loop-ti-loops.

And I knew what was coming, but that final scene man just

wow

[Loony BoB]

What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

What was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.

The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.
I guess you can look at it like that, but I just see it as something that made me look at the TV series (dunno about how it is in the book) and suddenly see it as a TV series rather than a genuinely interesting story. It reminds me of when, in Lost, they started doing things that just felt so obviously done for the sake of making people talk about That One Thing instead of actually being good for a storyline. It broke my immersion in the show and just annoyed me to no end because I'm starting to see it as "the show" instead of "the story".

[Ayen]

Eddard Stark died because he was too honorable to play the game
Robb Stark died because he broke his promise and got his mother and wife killed in the process
King Robert died because of the lifestyle he chose
Renly Baratheon died because he wouldn't bend the knee to Stannis
King Joffrey died because he was a monster that needed to be slain
Lysa Tully died because she was insane
Prince Oberyn died because he was cocky

There's pretty much a reason for every main character's death that has been shown in the series thus far. I might be a little off my mark on the Renly one, though.

[Shorty]

How many deadly sins can we name here?

Lysa = Envy
Oberyn = Pride
King Robert = Gluttony
Joffrey = Wrath
Robb = Lust
Renly= Greed.

I wouldn't say necessarily say Ned was Slothful, though.

[Loony BoB]

I don't think there are any sloths in this game... everyone's doin' something.

[Shorty]

Walder Frey is Sloth. Hopefully he goes soon!

[Raistlin]

How many deadly sins can we name here? Lysa = Envy, Oberyn = Pride, King Robert = Gluttony, Joffrey = Wrath, Robb = Lust, Renly= Greed.

So what you're saying is that Kevin Spacey actually killed those people. Interesting theory.

[Ayen]

Kevin Spacey is the god of death.

What do we say to Kevin Spacey?

[Shorty]

Kevin Spacey is the god of death.

What do we say to Kevin Spacey?


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[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Cersei has the ultimate smug face. Oberyn loses and she's all :smug:


Sansa is now Littlefinger 2 apparently.

*insert movie poster of Sansa with the caption "Little Finger 2: Littler Finger"*


One complaint I am seeing more and more often looks like this:

"Read all the books so far, but the last couple were a real struggle because i'd identified the 'make you care, destroy' ploy and so didn't get invested in any of the characters.'"

I disagree with that, but I can see where people are coming from with it. For me, it's because of all the hardships the good guys go through that I want the people who are still living that I like to be that much more successful at what they're trying to achieve.

[Slothy]

What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

What was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.

The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.
I guess you can look at it like that, but I just see it as something that made me look at the TV series (dunno about how it is in the book) and suddenly see it as a TV series rather than a genuinely interesting story. It reminds me of when, in Lost, they started doing things that just felt so obviously done for the sake of making people talk about That One Thing instead of actually being good for a storyline. It broke my immersion in the show and just annoyed me to no end because I'm starting to see it as "the show" instead of "the story".

I know I make fun of you for having bad taste and being wrong a lot, but your interpretation of these events may actually be objectively wrong. I'm not sure how a man who's motivations made complete sense, doing something stupid because his emotions which also made complete sense got the best of him, is somehow immersion breaking.

I think you may just be explaining yourself poorly because your reasoning makes no sense to me. Not one thing happened in that fight with Oberyn that didn't make complete sense in terms of where the story was, his established character, feelings, and motivations. When people have their immersion broken it's usually because of something that stands out blatantly as being completely out of place. This was literally the exact opposite of that.

[Vyk]

I'm kinda with BoB. I feel kinda burned out on bad surprises. I don't want rainbows and butterflies, and appreciate bittersweet, and well-done bad endings, and bad surprises. I don't know if it's balancing, or pacing, or what. But its beginning to wear. I'll at least finish out the season. But I'm on the verge of losing interest, and that makes me kinda sad. I so loved the first couple seasons

[Formalhaut]

Walder Frey is Sloth. Hopefully he goes soon!



How many deadly sins can we name here? Lysa = Envy, Oberyn = Pride, King Robert = Gluttony, Joffrey = Wrath, Robb = Lust, Renly= Greed.

So what you're saying is that Kevin Spacey actually killed those people. Interesting theory.

Either that or Dany's storyline is sloth.

[Formalhaut]

One person that everyone's forgotten about is Ygritte. She's been very quiet all season, only appearing here and there. She's hardened up alot since Jon left, and I know people were surprised with how callously she attacked that small village earlier in this season (Episode Three, I think).

Because of all that, I did quite like that bit with Gilly - it shows that she still has a heart.

She straight-up murdered half a dozen women a few seconds before she found Gilly. She was always hard and she still is.

Jon misunderstood her as being less a wildling than she was, and she misunderstood Jon as having rejected the Night's Watch when he was just pretending. When they found that guy and the wildlings were telling Jon to kill him to prove his loyalties, Ygritte's reaction wasn't "poor old man", it was "do it Jon!". The thing Jon and Ygritte had together north of the Wall was genuine to a point, but they both had clouded pictures of each other. After she filled him full of arrows, I imagine they understand each other a little better now. If she has a heart, it's buried pretty deep.

I'm not saying she isn't hard - she definitely straight-up murdered several people. I'm merely pointing out that bit in particular as showing a glimmer that she isn't completely made of stone.

[Freya]

One of the most wanted deaths happened this season. It was a surprise but Joffery is ded. It's not just bad endings and deaths.

[Ayen]

The night is darkest just before the dawn :smug:

[Vyk]

It probably doesn't help that I've been playing Dark Souls all day, before and after watching the episode. So a frustrating episode of GoT book-ended on other frustrating bouts of entertainment lol..

[Del Murder]

Drogo was sloth because he was too damn lazy to get his wound properly treated. Also maybe because he was reluctant to go across the water with Dany? Though he agreed eventually.

[Jinx]

I like who in this episode Dany kept calling him Drago. I guess Daario's making her forget her husband's name, eh. :smug:

Actually, Del, it wasn't that he was too lazy to get it properly treated. He did get it 'properly' treated. Had it been left alone, he probably would've been fine. That's the thing that slays me about Drogo's death: he's a war-hardened pillager. He's probably suffered much worse than that and walked away from it without a thought. He only let Mira Mimimi Mazhauaha let her 'heal' him at Dany's insistence.

[Ayen]

Dany killed him, brought him back to life by sacrificing her baby and then killed him again!

Don't mess with Dany. She'll mess you up.[/kidding]

[Shorty]

Drogo was probably pride as well. "This little wound can't harm a Khal," etc, etc.

[Jinx]

I think Ned definitely would've been pride. He prided his honor too much and it got him killed.

[Shorty]

I myself would not presume to call Ned prideful. Valuing honor is not the same thing as being prideful about it. But hey, different interpretations!

who's sloth damnit

[Ayen]

I think Ned would be one of the seven virtues, honestly.

[Carl the Llama]

Man I cant believe how many of you guys are bent out of shape about Oberyn dying, meh.

People who are thinking about quitting should at least wait till the end of the season. There are still plenty of good characters in the show.

I think that once Lady Stoneheart makes her appearance people will begin to be a lot more happy with the show, if they think about the implications.

[Jinx]

While Oberyn's been a pretty popular character, I think people are more upset by the gruesomeness of his death.

[Ayen]

Lady Stoneheart

:excited:

[Carl the Llama]

While Oberyn's been a pretty popular character, I think people are more upset by the gruesomeness of his death.

Sure it was damned brutal, definitely the most brutal death I've seen in the show, but its just one death.

Hell, if Jaime can rape his sister and get away with it I don't see why this is considered such a big deal.

[Jinx]

Well, to be fair, I think this is more of the straw that broke the camel's back than one isolated incident that is causing people to throw up their hands.

[Shorty]

I wouldn't say he got away with it, there were many complaints in this thread and there are likely still members who hold it against him xD

[Ayen]

The internet remembers :stare:

[Jinx]

Yes, Jaime raping Cersei is still something that greatly upsets me.

I'm not sure if I'll watch next season, to be quite honest. The show's just not holding much interest for me these days. It's not even outright contempt as mostly it's just apathy.

But my boyfriend likes it and many of my friends like it, so I may still.

Oberyn's scene was imo the most brutal scene so far, and that's saying something considering the nature of this show.

EDIT: I'd be really happy if Sansa and Littlefinger could get a spin-off and it was just about them smurfing trout up. That'd be a great show.

[LocoColt04]

I dunno about that Jinx, little Joffrey with his whores... that was an entirely different kind of brutal, and honestly more painful to watch.

[Jinx]

Ah, I forgot about poor Roz. Okay, it's been one of the top...3? most brutal deaths so far! The other honor maybe going to Talisa being stabbed in her pregnant womb.

[Ayen]

Strangely enough I find all the stabbing in The Following harder to watch than any of the violence in this show.

I'm weird.

[Carl the Llama]

I'm not sure if I'll watch next season, to be quite honest. The show's just not holding much interest for me these days. It's not even outright contempt as mostly it's just apathy.

Man, I cant believe people are really considering dropping the show, as someone who has read the books let me reassure you that if you quit at the end of this season, you will regret it, it gets so much better soon... and there is still 2 episodes to go and I am convinced people who are having doubts now will change their mind soon enough.

Quitting the show now would be akin to eating all your veg (including a hearty portion of disgusting sprouts) and then leaving your prime rib of beef on the plate. Its lunacy.

[Freya]

She's read them too though!

[Vyk]

Watching Oberyn die, wasn't a big deal to me. My problem wasn't with his death or its gruesomeness. My issue was in regards to my investment with Tyrion. Oberyn was just by extension. Whether or not Tyrion dies (I haven't spoiled it like BoB [my girlfriend actually made a similar choice, fortunately she won't spoil anything for me]) I have been, and still am invested in him. I've been invested in a lot of other characters who were killed. And you start to regret liking anyone. And then why watch a show if you don't like anyone? Or why bother liking anyone if they're just going to die

But then again, it's still fresh. So its likely not a rational or objective opinion yet. My brain hasn't fully digested everything. Only my heart has. I haven't sworn off the show. And even if I become un-invested by the end of the season, I'll probably still watch it. I've watched it this far. And it's one of those milestone shows in the world of entertainment. It would be a disservice to deny myself if it somehow manages to continue being great. But like others have said. At that point it becomes less of an experience, and more of just a "show". Which would be sad. But I suppose if anyone can pull a rabbit out of a hat, these creators can. I'll wait and see

[Carl the Llama]

She's read them too though!

I was just quoting her as an example.

[Jinx]

Fair enough.

I'll go on record saying that the season finale is going to be just mind-blowing and will have my favorite GoT thing, period.

But after that? The books (in my personal opinion) go way downhill, and I really can't summon the interest to watch 2-3 seasons of two books that were very very dull for a show I'm already struggling to watch. Again, I probably will watch it, but it's more just to stay in the loop and have something to do with my boyfriend than for my own personal enjoyment.

I know I've said it before, but I'm only really invested in Sansa's story at this point. I like how they've deviated from the books and she's developing more of a personality and strength of her own; she was probably already my favorite character in the books, but I just worship her now.

All of the other characters (at this moment) can smurf off. Especially Cersei. I'm so tired of her trout. To me, I can't even claim 'the character you love to hate' anymore. She's just unbearable. At least Joffrey was so over-the-top you had to love him.

EDIT: Again, I just want to say all of this is my personal opinion and I'm not really trying to get in a debate. I'm happy people still love the show.

[Del Murder]

I like who in this episode Dany kept calling him Drago. I guess Daario's making her forget her husband's name, eh. :smug:

Actually, Del, it wasn't that he was too lazy to get it properly treated. He did get it 'properly' treated. Had it been left alone, he probably would've been fine. That's the thing that slays me about Drogo's death: he's a war-hardened pillager. He's probably suffered much worse than that and walked away from it without a thought. He only let Mira Mimimi Mazhauaha let her 'heal' him at Dany's insistence.
Oh was that it? I couldn't remember. So what's the deadly sin for trusting bitches?

[Jinx]

Bloodriders before Khaleesis.

[Ayen]

I imagine they'd have to get the Feast for Crows/Dancing with Dragons stuff over with quick if they really plan to end it by Season 6.

[Jinx]

Wait, is that what they've said? Huh, I haven't seen that!

[Ayen]

I was off by two.

Source (http://screenrant.com/game-of-thrones-final-season-7-8/)

[Del Murder]

I think it's 7 seasons total. So they may be caught up with the books as soon as next season!

[Ayen]

George better get to writing. His very own winter is coming.

[Shorty]

It's anticipated that he is years away from finishing Winds of Winter and that the show will likely end before the books are finished.

[blackmage_nuke]

Hopefulyl Arya doesnt stay in the Vale because I get the feeling if you put her and Robin Arryn in the same room together shit is going to hit the fan

[Vyk]

It's my understanding that he has an entourage at HBO that he tells all his ideas for the future to in case he dies before he finishes the books, somebody will be able to carry on his intended legacy, if only by show. Though they may very well ghost write the books for him as well at that point. But the series itself is safe at least

[Madame Adequate]

Gurm's told Benioff and Weiss the outlines of the whole plot in case he really does kick the bucket before he finishes the series so show-only people, at least, shouldn't worry too much.

[The Man]

I will be very surprised if they wrap the show up in fewer than eight seasons. I won't be surprised to see them pass GRRM's writing pace though.

[Del Murder]

Do they have all the main players signed through season 8?

[LocoColt04]

Depends on whether they know which characters live or die. I mean, I know HBO has the outline (hence that AWESOME whitewalker baby sequence that wasn't in the books yet), but I dunno if they have that much detail.

[Madame Adequate]

Ah, yeah, I'm different. I can get a real boon or a real downer over stuff like this. To be fair, it's a sign of a good show that can manage to affect someone in such a way (although movies do it better for me) but this particular moment is the first time in the entire series that I've just seen it as a "Haha smurf you guys" moment from the writer. It was also the way that I could see it coming from the moment he said "Ah, no, I want you to say it, you can't die yet" and I just shook my head in repulsion. Everything from that moment was painfully obvious. I mean, I could see it happening from the moment he was even asking him to confess first. But at the point he said he can't die before he says it when the Mountain was on the ground, I could almost have walked out of the room. What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

Sometimes stories are just shaggy dog stories and end up in the same place they started.

Still I would wager someone's going to be pretty pissed about Oberyn's death and all that. Given how this show works I'd be leery of saying Oberyn's death has no consequences quite yet :p I mean Ned Stark died right at the end of an episode and the consequences of that are still being played out three full seasons later.

e; Given how much acclaim the show gets I'd be surprised if any major characters' actors walked away at this point. I mean yeah The Mountain's on his third actor now but that's because one guy wasn't working out and the other got offered a much bigger role, he couldn't really stick around from Season 1 until Season 4 when he actually shows up again and is important. A show like this makes reputations and gives people huge prestige.

[Ayen]

Depends on whether they know which characters live or die. I mean, I know HBO has the outline (hence that AWESOME whitewalker baby sequence that wasn't in the books yet), but I dunno if they have that much detail.

I don't think knowing who lives or dies would phase them much. They already killed off characters who are still alive in the books just to make room.

[Vyk]

Depends on whether they know which characters live or die. I mean, I know HBO has the outline (hence that AWESOME whitewalker baby sequence that wasn't in the books yet), but I dunno if they have that much detail.

I don't think knowing who lives or dies would phase them much. They already killed off characters who are still alive in the books just to make room.
Well this interesting. Care to elaborate in a spoiler? I'm intrigued. Elaborating on people's story arcs that didn't exist in the book makes sense. But I was under the assumption the people who've died, have mostly done so because they did in the books

[Ayen]

Depends on whether they know which characters live or die. I mean, I know HBO has the outline (hence that AWESOME whitewalker baby sequence that wasn't in the books yet), but I dunno if they have that much detail.

I don't think knowing who lives or dies would phase them much. They already killed off characters who are still alive in the books just to make room.
Well this interesting. Care to elaborate in a spoiler? I'm intrigued. Elaborating on people's story arcs that didn't exist in the book makes sense. But I was under the assumption the people who've died, have mostly done so because they did in the books

The only one I know for certain is Daenerys's handmaiden Irri who was killed off in season 2 is still alive in book 5. I didn't find out about it until I saw a panel where George was talking about characters who died that are still in his books.

[McLovin']

Sorry I wouldn't trust HBO with finishing game of thrones without GRRM's personal writing style used as a source. Having an outline is one thing, making a story out of it is another.

[Vyk]

Unless he's one of those writers who only comes up with the stuff and rough-drafts it and lets the editors fill it in. When I actually pursued writing, I was surprised to find out that was even an option, and there's a few authors who do that. And I'm convinced that's how Nora Roberts churns out 25 novels a year. And in that case, as long as GRRM's editors survive, things would be fine. But considering all the jabs at his writing pace, he's probably legit

[The Man]

Well, it's definitely what James Patterson does. He has an entire stable of ghostwriters, although I don't think they're his editors. I'm not even sure if the plot ideas are all his either or if he just puts his name on the novels to make them sell better. But yes, I'm pretty sure GRRM slaves over every single word himself. He seems like too much of a perfectionist to trust his words to anyone else, although he could probably speed up his pace of writing by not taking on so many editing projects and the like~ :monster:

[Ayen]

He seems like too much of a perfectionist to trust his words to anyone else

I can relate.

The amount of things I find myself having in common with George is both delightful and terrifying.

[Noctis Caelum]

Anyway - anybody else think the belching girl at the beginning looks a lot like Keira Knightley gone horribly awry?

[Kalevala]

Some characters who are alive in the books but dead in the show:

http://www.quora.com/Game-of-Thrones-TV-series/What-four-GoT-characters-are-alive-in-the-books-but-dead-in-the-TV-show (http://www.quora.com/Game-of-Thrones-TV-series/What-four-GoT-characters-are-alive-in-the-books-but-dead-in-the-TV-show)

This may be considered spoilery for some, but I don't think it is. Do any other book readers want to check and confirm this is safe for show watchers?

[Jinx]

The girl at the beginning of this episode reminded me. Of me during Ciddies :shobon:

[Loony BoB]

What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

What was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.

The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.
I guess you can look at it like that, but I just see it as something that made me look at the TV series (dunno about how it is in the book) and suddenly see it as a TV series rather than a genuinely interesting story. It reminds me of when, in Lost, they started doing things that just felt so obviously done for the sake of making people talk about That One Thing instead of actually being good for a storyline. It broke my immersion in the show and just annoyed me to no end because I'm starting to see it as "the show" instead of "the story".

I know I make fun of you for having bad taste and being wrong a lot, but your interpretation of these events may actually be objectively wrong. I'm not sure how a man who's motivations made complete sense, doing something stupid because his emotions which also made complete sense got the best of him, is somehow immersion breaking.

I think you may just be explaining yourself poorly because your reasoning makes no sense to me. Not one thing happened in that fight with Oberyn that didn't make complete sense in terms of where the story was, his established character, feelings, and motivations. When people have their immersion broken it's usually because of something that stands out blatantly as being completely out of place. This was literally the exact opposite of that.
I don't mean that what happened couldn't have happened. I mean that the breaking of immersion comes from the fact that it's predictable. It's like when I used to watch House episodes and every episode went through the same routine when it came to the patients. When something good is about to happen and at that moment he suddenly starts delaying the good thing, you immediately go "Oh, the good thing is no longer going to happen." When I can foresee these things happening then I stop becoming immersed in it because it. I mean, perhaps they could have made all of that turn out well despite him delaying a crucial victory, but I just could see no way for him to win the moment Clegane was on the ground and Oberyn was not finishing him off. It was just too clear to me what was about to happen and I was shaking my head in annoyance long before Oberyn was pulled to the ground. That to me is where my immersion broke. I was thinking about the writer(s) instead of being immersed in the story. Hope that makes better sense!


Ah, yeah, I'm different. I can get a real boon or a real downer over stuff like this. To be fair, it's a sign of a good show that can manage to affect someone in such a way (although movies do it better for me) but this particular moment is the first time in the entire series that I've just seen it as a "Haha smurf you guys" moment from the writer. It was also the way that I could see it coming from the moment he said "Ah, no, I want you to say it, you can't die yet" and I just shook my head in repulsion. Everything from that moment was painfully obvious. I mean, I could see it happening from the moment he was even asking him to confess first. But at the point he said he can't die before he says it when the Mountain was on the ground, I could almost have walked out of the room. What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

Sometimes stories are just shaggy dog stories and end up in the same place they started.

Still I would wager someone's going to be pretty pissed about Oberyn's death and all that. Given how this show works I'd be leery of saying Oberyn's death has no consequences quite yet :p I mean Ned Stark died right at the end of an episode and the consequences of that are still being played out three full seasons later.

e; Given how much acclaim the show gets I'd be surprised if any major characters' actors walked away at this point. I mean yeah The Mountain's on his third actor now but that's because one guy wasn't working out and the other got offered a much bigger role, he couldn't really stick around from Season 1 until Season 4 when he actually shows up again and is important. A show like this makes reputations and gives people huge prestige.
All excellent points. I imagine that giben Oberyn is a freaking prince that this will have ramifications regardless of how voluntary his role in a fight to the death was.

The gore in his death didn't phase me. The fact that it's Oberyn and he was awesome and is now dead wasn't so bad either. It was the fact that they put the emotions of a person so high by putting him in such a clear winning position and then they flicked a switch. That's what I didn't like. With the Red Wedding and my fave character Ned, you weren't going "OH MAN THIS IS AWESOME" right before someone dropped a giant Monty Python foot on the characters. You saw the deaths coming. This differed from those moments dramatically for me because I was loving Oberyn's seeming-victory-in-motion.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Walder Frey with a fan:

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[Ayen]

Walder Frey has fans?

[Jiro]

Walder Frey has fans?

Maybe not. Maybe even Filch doesn't have fans. But David Bradley's been in a few things. And if you like the actor then his most infamous moments as one of his most well-known roles are a damn good way to have a laugh with him. We'd have never seen this image if the guy didn't bring the book in with him :ffviwag:

[Ayen]

Walder Frey has fans?

Maybe not. Maybe even Filch doesn't have fans. But David Bradley's been in a few things. And if you like the actor then his most infamous moments as one of his most well-known roles are a damn good way to have a laugh with him. We'd have never seen this image if the guy didn't bring the book in with him :ffviwag:

I'm just taking a crack at the character, I'm familiar with David Bradley's work.

[Jiro]

Walder Frey has fans?

Maybe not. Maybe even Filch doesn't have fans. But David Bradley's been in a few things. And if you like the actor then his most infamous moments as one of his most well-known roles are a damn good way to have a laugh with him. We'd have never seen this image if the guy didn't bring the book in with him :ffviwag:

I'm just taking a crack at the character, I'm familiar with David Bradley's work.

Fair doos. :ffviwave: It's rather impressive how well he plays a villain. And, like, different kinds of villains. Plus his expression in that photo is tops :ffvilaugh:

[Ayen]

Then he can just turn around and play a kind old man starring in a popular British TV show.

Guy has mad skills.

[The Man]

Bravely, bold Prince Oberyn rode forth from Southern Dorne.
He was not afraid to die, O brave Prince Oberyn!
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways,
Brave, brave, brave, brave Prince Oberyn!

He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp,
Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken;
To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away;
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Prince Oberyn!

His head smashed in and his heart cut out
And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off
And his peni--

[Ayen]

Bravely, bold Ser Oberyn rode forth from Southern Dorne.
He was not afraid to die, O brave Ser Oberyn!
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways,
Brave, brave, brave, brave Ser Oberyn!

He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp,
Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken;
To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away;
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Ser Oberyn!

His head smashed in and his heart cut out
And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off
And his peni--

You're definitely going to hell. And I'll be right there laughing with you.

[Shaibana]

let us all take a minute to admire Sansa's new look
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a3YOwx3_460s.jpg

[Carl the Llama]

Though they may very well ghost write the books for him as well at that point. But the series itself is safe at least

Unfortunately this won't be the case, George himself has confirmed that if he dies he will be taking his work with him.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/11/george-rr-martin-no-more-game-of-thrones

[Alive-Cat]

Moments like the last episode make me so glad I haven't read the books yet. I felt physically sick during that final fight scene. I was rooting for Oberyn up until the very last. I was rooting for him even after he had his eyes popped, I'd love an eyeless Oberyn in the series just as long as he was still in it.

I love that the story doesn't play it safe, and I definitely find that it makes me even more attached to the characters because it makes them more human. Can't be doing with a boring show where the characters are all safe from harm. That would make me not care, because there would be no point to. There would be nothing to lose.

[Jinx]

Kind of no longer on topic, but

Let's be real here: there ARE some characters who will probably live to the end. I would place hard money that Tyrion, Arya, and Dany all live through the series. GRRM doesn't have the balls to kill them off.

[Loony BoB]

Though they may very well ghost write the books for him as well at that point. But the series itself is safe at least

Unfortunately this won't be the case, George himself has confirmed that if he dies he will be taking his work with him.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/11/george-rr-martin-no-more-game-of-thrones
I don't think that's what he's getting at in this little piece. I think he is only saying here that he doesn't want completely new works being added on without his approval or review. For the GoT TV series, I am under the impression he has given approval and review and has laid out his plans quite delicately about how it will play out, meaning if he dies then it is not akin to Sauron Strikes Back, but more like the Silmarillion - something that is his work, even if he wasn't around to see it published.

[Ayen]

let us all take a minute to admire Sansa's new look
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a3YOwx3_460s.jpg

Sansa knows how to wear them.



Though they may very well ghost write the books for him as well at that point. But the series itself is safe at least

Unfortunately this won't be the case, George himself has confirmed that if he dies he will be taking his work with him.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/11/george-rr-martin-no-more-game-of-thrones

I can understand his feelings on the matter. I hope he doesn't die before he gets to finish the series.


George R.R. Martin has spoken at length (http://grrm.livejournal.com/151914.html) about his complicated feelings towards fanfiction (http://flavorwire.com/281936/abusing-the-people-of-westeros-famous-authors-on-fan-fiction/]). He doesn’t much like the name, and he also feels that in the age of the internet there is too much public attention on fans writing about their favorite characters. He doesn’t approve of people playing in the ASOIAF sandbox particularly, because as he puts it: “No one gets to abuse the people of Westeros but me.”

He would hate me. Although I'm surprised his name isn't on the list of authors who have requested Fanfic.net not allow stories based off his stuff.

[Shaibana]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aD0vgYN_700b_v1.jpg
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aG9QgM0_460s.jpg

[Loony BoB]

Not sure I care much for that particular pic of Sansa as much as the gif shown before (I think it was Freya that posted it). The picture just posted, while in the right garb, has her old "innocent" Sansa look instead of the new "confident" Sansa look. It's all in the attitude. Needs to put on that smug face, it's awesome.

[Formalhaut]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aG9QgM0_460s.jpg


The annoying thing is, I fearfully predicted what would happen when Tyrion said "the least you could do is wear a helmet".

Bit of foreshadowing there.

[Shorty]

Ahahaha Shai xD

[noxious.sunshine]

79DeJqyhwWs

Snoop Dogg fucks w some Game of Thrones tho.

[Psychotic]

Kind of no longer on topic, but

Let's be real here: there ARE some characters who will probably live to the end. I would place hard money that Tyrion, Arya, and Dany all live through the series. GRRM doesn't have the balls to kill them off.Yeah? Two words. Jon Snow. I bet you'd have said the same god damn thing about him before you read Dragons too. :greenie: Oh, and Dany was invulnerable up until the point when Aegon appeared back on the scene. Arya has never been invulnerable, nor has Tyrion.

Haters gonna hate, show is still amazing and all awesome people agree, whaddup.

[Iceglow]

Ok, so like yes, Jon Snow got stabbed a hell of a lot. Yet, Jon Snow is a damn tough fucker, and something tells me that particularly with the fact his parentage is very strongly alluded to (though not outright confirmed) as being that of Rhaegar and Lyana not Ned and his camp follower I doubt we have seen the last of him.

My guess is that Stannis and Melisandre will figure out Jon's true heritage and that Melisandre will do what Beric Dondarrion's Rhollorian priest did to Cat Stark in order to either save him, or bring him back if he's dead. Will be interesting to see however.

[Jinx]

agreed with steve

also, paul

i am happy to place a 5 currency bet on all of those characters

[Madame Adequate]

I didn't think anyone thought Jon Snuuuhhh was dead

[Psychotic]

Almost, Steve. Sorry son but RhaegarxLyanna isn't breaking news for anyone.

Cat Stark will learn the truth of Jon's parentage from Howland Reed. She realises how utterly troutty she's been to Jon for no good reason, and similarly to Dondarrion sacrificing his un-life for Cat, she will achieve redemption and peace by sacrificing her un-life for Jon and he will learn the truth. He is the Prince that Was Promised and his is the song of Ice (Lyanna) and Fire (Rhaegar)

I'll give you 5 currency if you stop watching the show and posting in this thread Sam given how much you evidently hate it :colbert: What did Hodor ever do to you? :doublecolbert:

[Jess]

I don't know why I have any hope at all, but I really hope Winds of Winter gets released before next season! :shobon:

http://i57.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/2ziae7s.jpg

[Kalevala]

I really don't think Jon Snow is dead. Martin has a tendency to write a lot of cliffhanger "false" deaths. The actual deaths are always written very clearly. When a character has been killed he makes it undeniable. With Jon? Not so much.

[Del Murder]

You all suck

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I was rooting for Oberyn up until the very last. I was rooting for him even after he had his eyes popped, I'd love an eyeless Oberyn in the series just as long as he was still in it.

I had a similar thought.

I just couldn't wrap my head around the fact that Oberyn might lose. I still had hope for him even when he lost his eyes. I thought "Okay, he's going to get out of this. He'll just be blind for the rest of the show, right?....Right?".

But then, you know. Fatality.

[Bunny]

thunk thunk

kersplode.

[Shiny]

The ending reminded me of the time I dropped a water melon in the fruit aisle, chunks everywhere. Sansa's transformation into Edea was a shock at the end that could get very interesting if she's found her dark side (like Arya). I'm now wondering whether Arya and Hound make progress through the gate. A very grim episode for the good guys last night.

It reminded me of Peter Jackson's film Dead Alive. Similar grotesque momemnts occured...

[The Man]

from tumblr (http://cupcaketwinklebutt.tumblr.com/post/87573824602/the-end-credits-of-game-of-thrones-are-on-a-black):


The end credits of game of thrones are on a black background specifically so you can see the look of horror on your face reflected in your computer screen

[Ayen]

You know who does go blind?

Read the books you lazy butt.

[McLovin']

It all makes sense now...

https://i.imgur.com/q1GkkoM.png

[Psychotic]

It's recently been put out that he might even have to resort to an eighth book... which I can believe.

[Fonzie]

It's recently been put out that he might even have to resort to an eighth book... which I can believe.

Man, I really have to learn how to read by then.

[WildRaubtier]

You know, on reflection, I really like the foreshadowing they provided in the pre-duel dialog. "You could at least wear a helmet," indeed.

[Carl the Llama]

Kind of no longer on topic, but

Let's be real here: there ARE some characters who will probably live to the end. I would place hard money that Tyrion, Arya, and Dany all live through the series. GRRM doesn't have the balls to kill them off.Yeah? Two words. Jon Snow. I bet you'd have said the same god damn thing about him before you read Dragons too. :greenie: Oh, and Dany was invulnerable up until the point when Aegon appeared back on the scene. Arya has never been invulnerable, nor has Tyrion.

Haters gonna hate, show is still amazing and all awesome people agree, whaddup.

THATS 43 WORDS YOU FILTHY LIAR!

[Quindiana Jones]

A helmet would not have saved him, imo.

[Shaibana]

You know who does go blind?

Read the books you lazy butt.

do NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period

[Ayen]

You know who does go blind?

Read the books you lazy butt.

do NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period

Hey now, I'm not being smug. It was only intended as a joke. :shobon:

#jokefailed #lulznotachieved #hashtagsareso2013 #returntodarkcorner

[Quindiana Jones]

Back to your ivory tower, fiend!

[Shaibana]

You know who does go blind?

Read the books you lazy butt.

do NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period

Hey now, I'm not being smug. It was only intended as a joke. :shobon:

#jokefailed #lulznotachieved #hashtagsareso2013 #returntodarkcorner

im sorry ^^ ive just seen so many smug people on the internet that it starts to anoy me :P
please forgive my outburst :3

[Ayen]

Back to your ivory tower, fiend!

Ivory tower? *hangs out with the Childlike Empress*





You know who does go blind?

Read the books you lazy butt.

do NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period

Hey now, I'm not being smug. It was only intended as a joke. :shobon:

#jokefailed #lulznotachieved #hashtagsareso2013 #returntodarkcorner

im sorry ^^ ive just seen so many smug people on the internet that it starts to anoy me :P
please forgive my outburst :3

It's cool. I've been there before.

[Jinx]

If he pushes it to eight books, may as well give up now, honestly. I doubt he'd be able to put them out all before he dies. Like, I get they're epics and long ones at that, but they're not THAT good.

EDIT: And before someone jumps down my throat because OBJECTIVE OPINIONS, I mean that they're not good enough to wait another 15 years for him to finish the series when he likely won't finish if he adds another book.

[Shaibana]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aAY90vp_700b.jpg
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/apqMNME_700b.jpg

[Ayen]

If he pushes it to eight books, may as well give up now, honestly. I doubt he'd be able to put them out all before he dies. Like, I get they're epics and long ones at that, but they're not THAT good.

EDIT: And before someone jumps down my throat because OBJECTIVE OPINIONS, I mean that they're not good enough to wait another 15 years for him to finish the series when he likely won't finish if he adds another book.

George needs to have a talk with J. K. Rowling about how to wrap up epics. I didn't read the last Harry Potter book but I heard from readers all the loose ends were tied up so well you'd think multiple people were writing it.


http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aAY90vp_700b.jpg

Literally saw this on imgur earlier.

I'm dying. *gets booed*
Too soon?

[chionos]

You know who does go blind?

Read the books you lazy butt.

do NOT go there, being all smug and superior becaus you have read the books..
not everyone is interested in reading the books.. period

Hey now, I'm not being smug. It was only intended as a joke. :shobon:

#jokefailed #lulznotachieved #hashtagsareso2013 #returntodarkcorner

im sorry ^^ ive just seen so many smug people on the internet that it starts to anoy me :P
please forgive my outburst :3

*annoy

[Shaibana]

meeeeeeeeeeeeh dont go there either

[Lonely Paper Star]

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[Formalhaut]

I have to say, Ellaria's reaction just made that scene much, much, much more saddening and disturbing, to be honest. Look at those hands!

[Jinx]

Ellaria Sand and the Shoulder Pads of Doom

[Jess]

Lena Heady posted this picture of her and Pedro on her Instagram two months ago :jess:
http://i58.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/5cylag.jpg


http://i62.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/r9pmig.jpg

:excited:

[Psychotic]

I've read the books and I don't get the second one. I must be missing something obvious. What is it?

...oh trout

I just got it

hahahahahahaha

oh man

hahaahhahahahah

Man I'm so dumb. That's awesome.

[Jinx]

Oh man that second picture

She's such a little rock tease.

[WildRaubtier]

Well I guess that's that confirmed for this season, then?

[Mirage]

Oh, yeah, Joffrey's poisoned face was one of the most gruesome things of this entire series to me.

Normally I'd agree but just because of whose face it was, i nearly got a boner.


In either case, I'm starting to get a bit bored of none of the characters I actually like getting the upper hand like ever.

smurf you oberyn. You should have maimed him more first. Like cut his hands to shreds first. I haven't read the books but if the imp dies because of this, I think I'm just going to stop watching. NO DONT TELL ME IF HE DOES. If he dies sometime later, for something completely different, that's fine though.

[Vyk]

Pretty much how I feel as well

[Shaibana]

the picture of the rocks is not really a spoiler of any sort..
since those who havent read the books have no clue what it means, like me
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aYb0Oyw_700b_v1.jpg
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a75x1mm_460s.jpg

[Ayen]

The heroes were making a comeback this season, they said...

[Psychotic]

Joffrey died, what more do you want? :D

[Shorty]

I wouldn't call Oberyn a hero. Still got a couple of episodes left, all the same.

[Ayen]

Joffrey died, what more do you want? :D

The Iron Throne and Arya as my Warrior Queen.


I wouldn't call Oberyn a hero. Still got a couple of episodes left, all the same.

Stop ruining my jokes with your facts.

[Jinx]

Poo on Arya. I'm glad others are starting to like her less, because I thought I was the only one (I still like Maisie, though).

[Shorty]

I wouldn't call Oberyn a hero. Still got a couple of episodes left, all the same.

Stop ruining my jokes with your facts.

I'll do nothing of the sort. :colbert:

[Shorty]

dp don't care:

Sup nerds. This Hodor shirt is only $6.00 (http://6dollarshirts.com/product.php?productid=11603).

So is this Tyrion Lannister one. (http://6dollarshirts.com/product.php?productid=12060)

And this Winter is Coming one. (http://6dollarshirts.com/product.php?productid=11759)

[Ayen]

Poo on Arya.

Poo on you.

lol poo.

[Psychotic]

Poo on Arya. I'm glad others are starting to like her less, because I thought I was the only one (I still like Maisie, though).I have been aboard the Arya is overrated train since S1. YOU copied ME :colbert:

Sansa has always been the more interesting sister to me. The only interesting thing about Arya is when that magic woman (replaced by Melissandre in the show) freaked the fuck out when meeting her.

[Jinx]

I'll admit I was on the Arya train until the end of season 1. Since she became boy Arya and left KL, her story has just became insanely dull, and she's turned into a little sociopath.

EDIT: Keep in mind I didn't start season 1 until season 2 had started airing.

[Ayen]

You guys just like to hate everything I love.

[Psychotic]

Oh and I actually think Maisie is the worst actor in Westeros. Yeah there's one or two worse over the narrow sea, but still.

[Loony BoB]

To be fair, she's also from what I understand the least experienced and only got the role after Sophie Turner requested she get it. I don't think she's bad, though. Most 13 year olds are annoying and most 13 year olds who are written to be sociopathic are sociopathic.

But mostly I just think that the general standard of acting is actually pretty awesome in this show. Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...

[Jinx]

Start loving Penny Dreadful, then.

EDIT: BoB, I've stated several times throughout the thread that I have no problem with Maisie and think she's a pretty good actress. Most of her scenes are great, and she's done a good job with the more dramatically heavy ones. I just don't like Arya.

EDIT2: I didn't see you were replying to Psy! My bad! :shobon:

EDIT3: Psy might be on to something about her being the worst actor/ess in Westeros. But I think that just signifies a very strong and talented cast. Although I think Kit Harrington is the worst in Westeros (admittedly he's getting much better).

[Psychotic]

To be fair, she's also from what I understand the least experiencedyeah well so was Pod and look what he managed to do :smug:
Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...what is wrong with you

[Ayen]

Sophie Turner has good taste in little sisters.

[Psychotic]

Who is the worst actor in the show? It's someone in Essos. Emilia Clarke as Dany is an obvious choice and Grey Worm has been stinking out the place, but my vote is for Nathalie Emmanuel as Missandei. Perhaps I am biased because I saw years of her awfulness in UK show Hollyoaks. Doreah's actress was in it too and she, too, was awful so thank god she got stuffed in a vault. Shout out to original Daario too while I'm at it.

Essos is the worst. That being said Viserys and Jorah were/are sublime.

[Loony BoB]

Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...what is wrong with you
He has this one look that he keeps throughout. It's even been said that one of the bigger differences between the series and the show is that in the show Littlefinger is always somewhat sinister yet in the books he was actually great at being friendly and lovely and whatnot. But in the show, geez. Littlefinger can't say a single thing without sounding and looking like he's trying to give a child some candy as a reward for following him into his bedroom.

EDIT: I agree that Dany and Daario stand out and that Grey Worm is not much better. Shame, because I really like Grey Worm as a character.

[Ayen]

I agree with Loony BoB :mymelbert:

[Jinx]

I'm wondering how Grey Worm and Misssadnadiesi are going to get it on.

[Psychotic]

I'm wondering how Grey Worm and Misssadnadiesi are going to get it on.I'm wondering who the fuck thought that was a good storyline to add.

[Jinx]

I dunno, considering in the book Missandei is a CHILD. And Grey Worm doesn't have a penis.


scissor 8<

[Jess]

Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...what is wrong with you

[Shorty]

Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...what is wrong with you
He has this one look that he keeps throughout. It's even been said that one of the bigger differences between the series and the show is that in the show Littlefinger is always somewhat sinister yet in the books he was actually great at being friendly and lovely and whatnot. But in the show, geez. Littlefinger can't say a single thing without sounding and looking like he's trying to give a child some candy as a reward for following him into his bedroom.

The whole point to Littlefinger is that there is more than one side to him. I believe that he portrays his literary character perfectly, and that he is easily misconstrued as being gentle and kind in the book because we aren't there to see the cunning smiles and flickers that Aiden Gillen portrays so well.

The show needed a way to characterize the slyness of Petyr Baelish, and they found someone marvelous to execute those characteristics.

[Loony BoB]

I think I might have preferred it if they cast someone as he was intended in the book - a trustworthy, nice person (a la Varys perhaps?) who surprises people when we find out he's a power hungry bugger. Maybe because Varys already fills that role to some extent (not sure how far Varys will become a power hungry bugger mind you) they opted to change Littlefinger... dunno.





Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...what is wrong with you
He has this one look that he keeps throughout. It's even been said that one of the bigger differences between the series and the show is that in the show Littlefinger is always somewhat sinister yet in the books he was actually great at being friendly and lovely and whatnot. But in the show, geez. Littlefinger can't say a single thing without sounding and looking like he's trying to give a child some candy as a reward for following him into his bedroom.

The whole point to Littlefinger is that there is more than one side to him. I believe that he portrays his literary character perfectly, and that he is easily misconstrued as being gentle and kind in the book because we aren't there to see the cunning smiles and flickers that Aiden Gillen portrays so well.

The show needed a way to characterize the slyness of Petyr Baelish, and they found someone marvelous to execute those characteristics.
More than one side to Littlefinger? So, what side is there aside from creeper? Because that's all I'm seeing from Gillen. :p I'm pretty sure it's all anyone should see from the guy. He ooooooozes creepiness and nothing else whatsoever in every scene.

Quoting Martin...

Book Littlefinger and television show Littlefinger are very different characters. They’re probably the character that’s most different from the book to the television show. There was a a line in a recent episode of the show where, he’s not even present, but two people are talking about him and someone says ‘Well, no one trusts Littlefinger’ and ‘Littlefinger has no friends.’ And that’s true of television show Littlefinger, but it’s certainly not true of book Littlefinger. Book Littlefinger, in the book, everybody trusts him. Everybody trusts him because he seems powerless, and he’s very friendly, and he’s very helpful. He helps Ned Stark when he comes to town, he helps Tyrion, you know, he helps the Lannisters. He’s always ready to help, to raise money. He helps Robert, Robert depends on him to finance all of his banquets and tournaments and his other follies, because Littelfinger can always raise money. So, he’s everybody’s friend. But of course there’s the Machiavellian thing. He’s, you know, everybody trusts him, everybody depends on him. He’s not a threat. He’s just this helpful, funny guy, who you can call upon to do whatever you want, and to raise money, and he ingratiates himself with people and rises higher and higher as a result.
It seems they've just written him this way. I also read on another forum that he's a lot more varied in his acting when in other roles and definitely is capable of doing other things than being creepy but in this show it just seems to be a requirement in all his scenes to be a sleaze.

[Ayen]

Edit: And BoB beat me to it.

[Shorty]

I think I might have preferred it if they cast someone as he was intended in the book - a trustworthy, nice person (a la Varys perhaps?) who surprises people when we find out he's a power hungry bugger.





Worst in Westeros for me would probably be Littlefinger's actor...what is wrong with you
He has this one look that he keeps throughout. It's even been said that one of the bigger differences between the series and the show is that in the show Littlefinger is always somewhat sinister yet in the books he was actually great at being friendly and lovely and whatnot. But in the show, geez. Littlefinger can't say a single thing without sounding and looking like he's trying to give a child some candy as a reward for following him into his bedroom.

The whole point to Littlefinger is that there is more than one side to him. I believe that he portrays his literary character perfectly, and that he is easily misconstrued as being gentle and kind in the book because we aren't there to see the cunning smiles and flickers that Aiden Gillen portrays so well.

The show needed a way to characterize the slyness of Petyr Baelish, and they found someone marvelous to execute those characteristics.
More than one side to Littlefinger? So, what side is there aside from creeper? Because that's all I'm seeing from Gillen. :p I'm pretty sure it's all anyone should see from the guy. He ooooooozes creepiness and nothing else whatsoever in every scene.

Quoting Martin...

Book Littlefinger and television show Littlefinger are very different characters. They’re probably the character that’s most different from the book to the television show. There was a a line in a recent episode of the show where, he’s not even present, but two people are talking about him and someone says ‘Well, no one trusts Littlefinger’ and ‘Littlefinger has no friends.’ And that’s true of television show Littlefinger, but it’s certainly not true of book Littlefinger. Book Littlefinger, in the book, everybody trusts him. Everybody trusts him because he seems powerless, and he’s very friendly, and he’s very helpful. He helps Ned Stark when he comes to town, he helps Tyrion, you know, he helps the Lannisters. He’s always ready to help, to raise money. He helps Robert, Robert depends on him to finance all of his banquets and tournaments and his other follies, because Littelfinger can always raise money. So, he’s everybody’s friend. But of course there’s the Machiavellian thing. He’s, you know, everybody trusts him, everybody depends on him. He’s not a threat. He’s just this helpful, funny guy, who you can call upon to do whatever you want, and to raise money, and he ingratiates himself with people and rises higher and higher as a result.
It seems they've just written him this way. I also read on another forum that he's a lot more varied in his acting when in other roles and definitely is capable of doing other things than being creepy but in this show it just seems to be a requirement in all his scenes to be a sleaze.

I totally agree he is a creeper and a dirty old man, but if that's all you think there is to him, I do not think you have been paying attention or that you understand his character very well.

Saying he oozes creepiness and nothing else in every scene is a bit bold, though. The only creepy thing he's done is make eyes at and kiss Sansa.

Littlefinger knows he has no friends, and I think that he does not presume to think that anyone besides perhaps Sansa trusts him as he trusts no one but himself.

[Jinx]

To be fair that's probably what the directors are asking for. If he's capable of acting a different way, he's probably been told to act the way he's acting now.

[Loony BoB]

To be fair that's probably what the directors are asking for. If he's capable of acting a different way, he's probably been told to act the way he's acting now.
Oh, yeah, definitely. "Worst actor" is always a weird thing to say about a show because most actors are just doing what they're told. I mean, you could probably pick a whooooole lot of characters of lesser importance that are obviously worse actors and there's every chance some brilliant actors in the show are getting the short straw when it comes to opportunities to show off great acting. I think Gillen's acting in this show points to both of these things. I mean, Catelyn for example - such a great character to play. Chances to show all kinds of emotion. Joffrey, too. Littlefinger? Eh. Not so much. Never raises his voice, no strong reaction to the death of his one love, looks the same when he's about to kiss someone as he does when he's about to kill someone. Looks the same when he's talking to people as he does when he's on his own (although we see little of him on his own, if any?).

Pycelle's actor is also a bit eh, but he's an actor acting an actor so it's really hard to judge him. xD I also dislike the character who plays Mace Tyrell. Maybe it's just his look more than anything...

EDIT: Great example of someone who almost always has just one kind of mood/expression but does it fantastically - Stannis.

[Shorty]

Sure, Catelyn gets a chance to act her heart out because her character is an emotionally unstable wretch. Same with Joffrey and his outbursts. Being able to convey emotion, though, doesn't necessary equate to good acting, just a certain kind of acting. Littlefinger is a cool cat, and he conveys it in every way. He is always quick-thinking, always on his feet, never surprised by anything because he doesn't allow himself to be surprised. He has no ties to anyone but himself, so how could he exhibit emotion toward anything else? He tried to show his affection toward Cat one time and it blew up in his face. His character is resigned to showing emotions, and that's what is so interesting about him. He's had to harden himself against such weakness in order to survive.

I am thinking that you are confusing your mislike of Baelish's character with thinking that he can't act. :p

edit: Additionally, each and every of these same criticisms could be said about Varys.

[Kalevala]

Saying he oozes creepiness and nothing else in every scene is a bit bold, though. The only creepy thing he's done is make eyes at and kiss Sansa.

Which, I might add, a lot of people think he only did hoping that Lysa would see and react accordingly, giving him just cause to take her out of the picture.

[Formalhaut]

He is always quick-thinking, always on his feet, never surprised by anything because he doesn't allow himself to be surprised.

I have to say, the only exception to that was when he was under fire by the Vale Lords after killing Lysa. His only defence was 'oh it was a suicide', and stuck to his guns on that one, offering nothing else. Sansa literally saved his ass, because the Lords were not convinced by him.

It's almost as if he didn't think his defence through, which is unusual for Baelish.

[Shorty]

He is always quick-thinking, always on his feet, never surprised by anything because he doesn't allow himself to be surprised.

I have to say, the only exception to that was when he was under fire by the Vale Lords after killing Lysa. His only defence was 'oh it was a suicide', and stuck to his guns on that one, offering nothing else. Sansa literally saved his ass, because the Lords were not convinced by him.

It's almost as if he didn't think his defense through, which is unusual for Baelish.

That part shocked me as it deviated from the book quite a bit. I can come up with a couple of different theories as to why they went the route they did, but they all have to do with Littlefinger and Sansa's chemistry, relationship, and situation, and how these two people are going to change by being in eachothers' presence rather than to show that Littlefinger is slipping at his lies, or something. Or maybe that's exactly what they wanted to show, I'm not sure.

[Raistlin]

I think I might have preferred it if they cast someone as he was intended in the book - a trustworthy, nice person (a la Varys perhaps?) who surprises people when we find out he's a power hungry bugger.

I'm not sure what book you read, but I would not have considered Littlefinger "trustworthy" at all, even at first. The moment he blames Tyrion for Bran's attempted murder, you know something's up. I think his actor does perfectly what the directors are looking for: a conniving bastard who is good at manipulating people.

Also, while I concede that I liked book Arya more than show Arya for the past season or two, I still enjoy TV Arya. She was perfect in season 1, but her storyline has gotten a bit repetitive.

[Formalhaut]

He is always quick-thinking, always on his feet, never surprised by anything because he doesn't allow himself to be surprised.

I have to say, the only exception to that was when he was under fire by the Vale Lords after killing Lysa. His only defence was 'oh it was a suicide', and stuck to his guns on that one, offering nothing else. Sansa literally saved his ass, because the Lords were not convinced by him.

It's almost as if he didn't think his defense through, which is unusual for Baelish.

That part shocked me as it deviated from the book quite a bit. I can come up with a couple of different theories as to why they went the route they did, but they all have to do with Littlefinger and Sansa's chemistry, relationship, and situation, and how these two people are going to change by being in eachothers' presence rather than to show that Littlefinger is slipping at his lies, or something. Or maybe that's exactly what they wanted to show, I'm not sure.

Oh, I like how they did it, as it really shows Sansa's character changing, so Littlefinger slipping up, while maybe out of character for him slightly, felt right, given that they had to show Sansa's transformation.

[Loony BoB]

Sure, Catelyn gets a chance to act her heart out because her character is an emotionally unstable wretch. Same with Joffrey and his outbursts. Being able to convey emotion, though, doesn't necessary equate to good acting, just a certain kind of acting. Littlefinger is a cool cat, and he conveys it in every way. He is always quick-thinking, always on his feet, never surprised by anything because he doesn't allow himself to be surprised. He has no ties to anyone but himself, so how could he exhibit emotion toward anything else? He tried to show his affection toward Cat one time and it blew up in his face. His character is resigned to showing emotions, and that's what is so interesting about him. He's had to harden himself against such weakness in order to survive.

I am thinking that you are confusing your mislike of Baelish's character with thinking that he can't act. :p
I just said in the post ahead of yours that it's not me thinking the guy can't act at all, and explained that his character is part of why I feel he's had the poorest showing of acting ability, rather than acting ability itself.


edit: Additionally, each and every of these same criticisms could be said about Varys.
Nah. Varys reacts with different expressions. He moves his face. He has rather distinctive looks for sadness, surprise, pensive thought, concern... you can see most of them pretty obviously. It may all be part of Varys' act to show expression, of course.

I'll conced to what Formy mentioned though - we saw a different face for Littlefinger during the interrogation of Sansa over Lysa's death.

[Ayen]

Also, while I concede that I liked book Arya more than show Arya for the past season or two, I still enjoy TV Arya. She was perfect in season 1, but her storyline has gotten a bit repetitive.

This much I can agree with. I'm guessing you know what is going to happen by the end of Season 4 and Season 5 will finally have her going in a new direction. I'm looking forward to that, actually.

[Formalhaut]

Also, while I concede that I liked book Arya more than show Arya for the past season or two, I still enjoy TV Arya. She was perfect in season 1, but her storyline has gotten a bit repetitive.

This much I can agree with. I'm guessing you know what is going to happen by the end of Season 4 and Season 5 will finally have her going in a new direction. I'm looking forward to that, actually.

The issue with Arya's storyline for me was that she's basically been mostly travelling since Season Two. Besides her stay at Harrenhal, I can't think of another time where she's stayed in one place.

[Loony BoB]

I think I might have preferred it if they cast someone as he was intended in the book - a trustworthy, nice person (a la Varys perhaps?) who surprises people when we find out he's a power hungry bugger.

I'm not sure what book you read, but I would not have considered Littlefinger "trustworthy" at all, even at first. The moment he blames Tyrion for Bran's attempted murder, you know something's up.
Not to us, no, but to the others. Read the quote by Martin himself that I mentioned - Littlefinger is supposed to be everyone's friend in the book.

I've not read all the books but I trust the author to give an accurate account when he says that Littlefinger is the most different character between series and books for these reasons.

[Jinx]

Yeah, after this season Arya's storyline should get much better.

[Ayen]

Also, while I concede that I liked book Arya more than show Arya for the past season or two, I still enjoy TV Arya. She was perfect in season 1, but her storyline has gotten a bit repetitive.

This much I can agree with. I'm guessing you know what is going to happen by the end of Season 4 and Season 5 will finally have her going in a new direction. I'm looking forward to that, actually.

The issue with Arya's storyline for me was that she's basically been mostly travelling since Season Two. Besides her stay at Harrenhal, I can't think of another time where she's stayed in one place.

The constant traveling never bothered me much, but that's mainly because I thought she had good company. I can see why others would grow tire of it, though.

[Formalhaut]

Not to us, no, but to the others. Read the quote by Martin himself that I mentioned - Littlefinger is supposed to be everyone's friend in the book.

I think the key with Littlefinger is that he is everyone's friend - unless he stabs you in the back and you've outstayed your usefulness. You saw how he was with the Vale Lords after his 'trial': friendly and warm. He can be kind when he wants to.

[Shorty]

I think I might have preferred it if they cast someone as he was intended in the book - a trustworthy, nice person (a la Varys perhaps?) who surprises people when we find out he's a power hungry bugger.

I'm not sure what book you read, but I would not have considered Littlefinger "trustworthy" at all, even at first. The moment he blames Tyrion for Bran's attempted murder, you know something's up.
Not to us, no, but to the others. Read the quote by Martin himself that I mentioned - Littlefinger is supposed to be everyone's friend in the book.

I've not read all the books but I trust the author to give an accurate account when he says that Littlefinger is the most different character between series and books for these reasons.

Whether or not the author says that may not be how it is conveyed to fans as the beauty of books is up to each of our personal interpretations. I view Book Littlefinger and Show Littlefinger as the same entity, as I do with many of the characters despite their deviating storylines.

[Formalhaut]

Also, while I concede that I liked book Arya more than show Arya for the past season or two, I still enjoy TV Arya. She was perfect in season 1, but her storyline has gotten a bit repetitive.This much I can agree with. I'm guessing you know what is going to happen by the end of Season 4 and Season 5 will finally have her going in a new direction. I'm looking forward to that, actually.The issue with Arya's storyline for me was that she's basically been mostly travelling since Season Two. Besides her stay at Harrenhal, I can't think of another time where she's stayed in one place.The constant traveling never bothered me much, but that's mainly because I thought she had good company. I can see why others would grow tire of it, though.I actually still like Arya's character, I'm in the minority there. I also like her travelling this season with The Hound: besides the first season, I would say this is Ayra's best season in my opinion. She's really developed as a character, and she's done less of her psychopathic list reading which annoyed me in Season Two and Three. For me, Arya was weakest in Season Three. I can't actually remember much of what she did in that season, which isn't a good thing. I know she was with Gendry, met Melisandre and was present for The Hound's fire battle, but... that was about it, from my memory.

[Ayen]

Speaking of Gendry, what the smurf happened to Gendry? Was him departing on that boat meant to be his last appearance?

[Jinx]

For now, probably.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Oath Breaker :smug:

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[Ayen]

I want that shirt.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I want that shirt.

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[Ayen]

If you were a gentleman you'd buy it for me.

[Shorty]

You jerks missed the cheaper shirts I just posted!

[Noctis Caelum]

This is to those people that thought this particular scene was useless (and yes, I know there are several people that actually feel that way).

I thought the beetle scene was the best part of the episode, not counting the actual trial by combat.
If you are looking for a meaning in the story told, you are looking at it wrong. It affirms how in this world of "Might is Right" that Tyrion is a man of compassion and philosophy. Someone who found more value in understanding his cousin's need to kill beetles than the lessons on family legacy his father was teaching. I also like the idea of planting the idea that Tyrion knows the outcome of this battle has nothing to do with the Gods, that they might be killing people for the same pointless reason Orson was killing beetles. The audience would understand why Jaime would save his brother without it, but I think it is a nice touch to show how tragic a loss it would be to lose someone like Tyrion over a crime he didn't commit. The main point of the scene was a connection between brothers to lay the foundation for Jaime finally risking his life to save Tyrion after he's refused to help so far.

If you thought the scene was distasteful, and that it was nothing more than a crass joke on mentally challenged people, I implore you to stop watching Game of Thrones because your mental capacity is just not equipped for this.

[Kalevala]

There are nowhere near enough awesome Greyjoy shirts out there.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

If you were a gentleman you'd buy it for me.

But I just bought it for myself!

Not at that price though, I scoured the internet for a decent price.

[Ayen]

If you were a gentleman you'd buy it for me.

But I just bought it for myself!

Not at that price though, I scoured the internet for a decent price.

You were going to stiff me? I see how it is.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Send me to the wall.

Oh wait, the shirt implies i'm already there :smug:

[Jinx]

the funny thing about that shirt is it implies you're all virgins lol

[The Man]

>implying the night's watch are actually virgins

[Vyk]

I agree with Noctis and BoB. Loved the beetle scene. And think Littlefinger is a very bland sociopath. He should be more surprising. He borders on Disney villain he's so obvious. But whatever. I also don't like Sansa or her story arc, so none of the stuff going on over there interest me

[Rantz]

Did anyone else catch the foreshadowing in this episode? There was a fair amount of it, but most notably...


People die at their dinner tables. They die in their beds. They die squatting over their chamber pots.

[Formalhaut]

Anyone notice the casting rumours for season five (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/04/game-of-thrones-new-characters-being-cast-for-season-5) from IGN? I mean, I know 'leaks from an undisclosed source' hardly sounds convincing, but you know, interesting enough.

I shouldn't need to say that there spoilers.

[Jinx]

SAND SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKES :D

[Shaibana]

this thread has gone to fast since my last post :colbert:
im not gonna read 4 pages
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[Psychotic]

Post more, Shaibana!

[Shorty]

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