Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Ayen]

the funny thing about that shirt is it implies you're all virgins lol

I am a virgin.

We exist.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

the funny thing about that shirt is it implies you're all virgins lol

Right :smug:

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[Shiny]

I'm kind of confused why Ingrid is killing everyone. What did I miss?

[Jinx]

Who's Ingrid?

[chionos]

I think she meant Ygritte. Shiny probably just picked a random Scandinavian-sounding name and threw it out there. 'cause she's racist

[Vyk]

Pfft, they don't tell you how to spell the names in the show. It does sound like Ingrid sometimes. For most of the first season I presumed they were mispronouncing Ned's name. Because ED is short for EDDARD. Not "NED". And hell. I don't even know if "Eddard" is spelled right lol

[Bones]

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[chionos]

That's why people should read books so they know how to spell and in any case I was just being silly at Shiny don't take it seriously I thought it was obvious I was teasing so I'm sorry it came across otherwise

run-on sentence ftw

And Ygritte is flipping her shit, btw, because Jon Snow betrayed her like the bastard he is. As if she weren't a murderously wild enough wildling before and red-haired!. Now she's a murderously scorned, pissed off, red headed(!!), female wildling. With a bow.

Forget winter and forget the white walkers. Ygritte the Wild is coming!

[Ayen]

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[Shorty]

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You're still on season one, get out before you spoil it for yourself. :colbert:

[chionos]

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Thrēdar morghūlis

just, tubī daor.

[Ayen]

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You're still on season one, get out before you spoil it for yourself. :colbert:

What!?

Game of Thrones marathon time. Let's go!

[Shorty]

I've tried!

[Ayen]

I've tried!

*Tywin voice* Try harder!

[Shaibana]

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You're still on season one, get out before you spoil it for yourself. :colbert:

ooh well, its on its own risk :colbert:

[Formalhaut]

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You're still on season one, get out before you spoil it for yourself. :colbert:

What!?

Game of Thrones marathon time. Let's go!

I was new to Game of Thrones before the start of Season Three. With just four or so weeks to go before the start of the third season, I watched all of Season One and Season Two to catch up with everyone else.

A catch-up session is easily doable. :)

[Vyk]

Oh no worries. I didn't take you for serious. I was actually being fecitious (sp?) myself. My emphasis/yelling was towards the character names / writing confusing myself, so that Shiny didn't feel alone in having gotten something wrong

[Ayen]

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You're still on season one, get out before you spoil it for yourself. :colbert:

What!?

Game of Thrones marathon time. Let's go!

I was new to Game of Thrones before the start of Season Three. With just four or so weeks to go before the start of the third season, I watched all of Season One and Season Two to catch up with everyone else.

A catch-up session is easily doable. :)

I watched all three seasons in a week.

I'm not mentally scarred or anything. *break things*

[Formalhaut]

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You're still on season one, get out before you spoil it for yourself. :colbert:

What!?

Game of Thrones marathon time. Let's go!

I was new to Game of Thrones before the start of Season Three. With just four or so weeks to go before the start of the third season, I watched all of Season One and Season Two to catch up with everyone else.

A catch-up session is easily doable. :)

I watched all three seasons in a week.

I'm not mentally scarred or anything. *break things*

I mean, Game of Thrones is pretty intense sometimes, so to watch two or three seasons straight was, admittedly, pretty interesting!

[Vyk]

That's how I did it. I mean if you haven't seen it before (or maybe even if you have? I haven't re-watched any episodes/season) and all the episodes are available. It's extremely hard to stop. Did the same thing with Avatar: The Last Airbender. That was a gloriously fun weekend. I didn't feel traumatized from that one though lol

[Psychotic]

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This thread will never die.What is thread may never die.

[WildRaubtier]

More posts are coming.

[Shaibana]

More posts are coming.

Hear me post!

[Psychotic]

Posting strong.

[Shaibana]

ours is the thread!

[Shlup]

Started typing replies to posts about last week's episode and realized I was ten pages behind. Damn, ya'll.

I'm very excited about Sansa's character development. I love that Arya and Sansa are two sides of the same coin, both learning to play "the game" in very different ways.

All of us starting laughing even before she did, so it was even funnier when she joined in.
Yeah, the laugh was well-timed; I was definitely laughing already.


That fight scene! Oberyn didn't particularly stick out for me in the books. Pedro Pascal, on the other hand, made me grow to love the character. They nailed his death. Seeing a character that suave, cocky, and composed screaming for his life is one of the most disturbing things I've seen on television in some time. I knew very well what was coming, and was still shaken by it.
Ditto and ditto. I wasn't all that into any Dornish characters in the books, but so far I really love them in the show.


http://media.tumblr.com/c343d0590837d3a8713346b6d03c2090/tumblr_n6ithep9K31ruwssto3_250.gif

Creepy stare of creepy
Sansa's still too young for me to feel comfortable with how hot I find this. "I know what you want," muahaha.


And then Cersei grins. Is there anyone who views her as a sympathetic character? Liking her kids is the only redeeming quality she has, and when her kids are monsters, even that might not be so good.
Cersei's entire life has been about two things: 1) fighting to control her own life in a way noble women just aren't allowed to, and 2) her children, who she was told by a witch would all die painful deaths before her. For both of those reasons, yes, I find her a bit of a sympathetic character. She's a dumbass though.


Then I told my spouse about this episode and she was like "Why do you watch this?" Which is a really good question. Why do we? It feels good to watch the bad guys get their comeuppance. It doesn't feel good to watch the good guys die horrible deaths. Maybe there's some schadenfreude, but it has its limits. Does reading something horrible make us feel better about our lives by comparison? Do we all have a violent, sadistic side that this stuff appeals to? I've been really into dark fiction for a while and I can't explain the appeal, but the appeal is clearly there.
I don't get invested in a story because I want to see bad guys die and good guys prevail--I get invested in a story because I want to see characters live lives very different from my own. It doesn't feel good to see a good guy die; it feels good to be surprised. It feels good to feel suspense. It feels good to care about what's happening because you don't know how things will turn out. Like others said, when you can't predict what's going to happen it humanizes the world GRRM has created. You can't ignore a hero because of course things are going to turn out alright for them--they might not turn out alright at all.


Hm, I feel the opposite. If everything goes as it is going, I'll no longer give a smurf about any of these characters after this season. I'll have to weigh that with the desire to see how it all ends because the overarching plot is still interesting.

Also, having a guy's skull crushed doesn't 'humanize' the character for me. I already know skulls can be crushed without having that proven for me on screen.

I think I just need to read ahead in the books so that I'm prepared for this crap. It's much easier to deal with this brutality in print form.
It's not about his skull being crushed--it's about a world where things don't magically align for you just because you're a good guy. Oberyn was a hero on many levels, and he was the last hope for Tyrion, who the fans adore. How could he lose? Hubris and life not giving a trout if you're supposed to be the hero of the story.

BJ has this problem too--he wants to see good guys win and bad guys lose. He's admitted he would be happy just watching a show where all the Starks stayed in Winterfell and hung out and ate ham all the time and the Lannisters died of the trouts.


I really don't think Jon Snow is dead. Martin has a tendency to write a lot of cliffhanger "false" deaths. The actual deaths are always written very clearly. When a character has been killed he makes it undeniable. With Jon? Not so much.
No way he's dead. All the unpredictable deaths served a purpose, but Jon Snow dying just cuts off a large area of storyline. I almost feel like the other resurrections were really setting precedent for Jon Snow's. I mean, we're used to heros dying at this point, but this one I'm not falling for.

Similarly, when Bran and Rickon "died" I could not put the book down and go to sleep until I could confirm that it was hooey.

[Ayen]

I could not agree with Shlup any harder if I slammed my fingers against the keyboard until they were sore and bruised.

[Rantz]

Yeah, Shlup said all the things I was too lazy to put into words. xD

[Psychotic]

Cersei's entire life has been about two things: 1) fighting to control her own life in a way noble women just aren't allowed to, and 2) her children, who she was told by a witch would all die painful deaths before her. For both of those reasons, yes, I find her a bit of a sympathetic character. She's a dumbass though.I used to find Cersei a sympathetic character to an extent, and she certainly is my favourite POV character in the books because the way she thinks is fascinating. However, the way she sent people off to be medically experimented on and tortured by Qyburn tipped her into the pure evil bracket for me, alongside the likes of the Mountain, Vargo Hoat, Ramsay and Joffrey. Especially poor Falyse Stokeworth. Lying to and manipulating her and her husband to go take out Bronn - a situation where they were woefully out of their depth - was one thing, typical Cersei. But when it goes tits up, when Falyse has lost everything - her home, her husband, her family - because of Cersei and is naturally really smurfing upset and looking for help and somewhere to shelter her, how does Cersei react? I cba to fix this or deal with your tears, so off to the dungeon with you to be sliced open and experimented on by Qyburn! :jess: On the character list at the end of each book Falyse's entry now notes that she "died screaming in the black cells". Can't sympathise. That has smurf all to do with the prophecy and smurf all to do with feeling like she is passed over because of her gender, that's absolute and pure evil.

[Raistlin]

I agree with Shlup. I consider GoT to be a refreshing change of pace. In most TV shows you just know the main characters' are going to survive every encounter, because that's just what happens on TV. The more mature, complex perspective of GoT is personally welcome.

[Bones]

I've tried!
ACTUALLY, I'm almost to Season 3. We've watched up until I think Season 2 Episode 8. At least, I have.

[Shaibana]

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[Ayen]

That first one is genius.

[Mirage]

the funny thing about that shirt is it implies you're all virgins lol

People aren't usually born into the night's watch!

[Del Murder]

It's not about his skull being crushed--it's about a world where things don't magically align for you just because you're a good guy. Oberyn was a hero on many levels, and he was the last hope for Tyrion, who the fans adore. How could he lose? Hubris and life not giving a trout if you're supposed to be the hero of the story.

BJ has this problem too--he wants to see good guys win and bad guys lose. He's admitted he would be happy just watching a show where all the Starks stayed in Winterfell and hung out and ate ham all the time and the Lannisters died of the trouts.
I really want to admire Martin for doing something different but deep down I'm just like BJ. I guess we're too nice of guys to appreciate horrible things happening to likable characters on TV. I think I'd have less of an issue with it in a book since I can use my own imagination to make it more tame in my head.

[Shlup]

Cersei's entire life has been about two things: 1) fighting to control her own life in a way noble women just aren't allowed to, and 2) her children, who she was told by a witch would all die painful deaths before her. For both of those reasons, yes, I find her a bit of a sympathetic character. She's a dumbass though.I used to find Cersei a sympathetic character to an extent, and she certainly is my favourite POV character in the books because the way she thinks is fascinating. However, the way she sent people off to be medically experimented on and tortured by Qyburn tipped her into the pure evil bracket for me, alongside the likes of the Mountain, Vargo Hoat, Ramsay and Joffrey. Especially poor Falyse Stokeworth. Lying to and manipulating her and her husband to go take out Bronn - a situation where they were woefully out of their depth - was one thing, typical Cersei. But when it goes tits up, when Falyse has lost everything - her home, her husband, her family - because of Cersei and is naturally really smurfing upset and looking for help and somewhere to shelter her, how does Cersei react? I cba to fix this or deal with your tears, so off to the dungeon with you to be sliced open and experimented on by Qyburn! :jess: On the character list at the end of each book Falyse's entry now notes that she "died screaming in the black cells". Can't sympathise. That has smurf all to do with the prophecy and smurf all to do with feeling like she is passed over because of her gender, that's absolute and pure evil.
I don't disagree on any particular point, though I think she's more stupid than evil. She just can't think of a more clever way to deal with things.


I agree with Shlup. I consider GoT to be a refreshing change of pace. In most TV shows you just know the main characters' are going to survive every encounter, because that's just what happens on TV. The more mature, complex perspective of GoT is personally welcome.
Like The Vampire Diaries... I can't think of a single character who was killed that didn't come back. Some several times. I just roll my eyes when they die.

I did not roll my eyes when Oberyn died.



It's not about his skull being crushed--it's about a world where things don't magically align for you just because you're a good guy. Oberyn was a hero on many levels, and he was the last hope for Tyrion, who the fans adore. How could he lose? Hubris and life not giving a trout if you're supposed to be the hero of the story.

BJ has this problem too--he wants to see good guys win and bad guys lose. He's admitted he would be happy just watching a show where all the Starks stayed in Winterfell and hung out and ate ham all the time and the Lannisters died of the trouts.
I really want to admire Martin for doing something different but deep down I'm just like BJ. I guess we're too nice of guys to appreciate horrible things happening to likable characters on TV. I think I'd have less of an issue with it in a book since I can use my own imagination to make it more tame in my head.
Yeah, I think BJ was the only person on Earth bummed when Joffrey died. He was like "Nooo, he was supposed to take down the Lannisters from the inside! Now the grandpa's going to fix everything! Lannisssttteeeerrrrssss!"

Overyn's death was less brutal in the books though. I feel like this and Talisa's death at the red wedding were specifically written to keep book readers on their toes. In the book, if I remember correctly, Oberyn just takes one massive punch that caves in his head and it's over. The toothless screaming with thumbs deep in his eye sockets... I totally covered my eyes but peeked through my fingers.

[Quindiana Jones]

I did not roll my eyes when Oberyn died.

Neither did he. :monster:

I distinctly remember the Mountain confessing as he crushed Oberyn's skull in the books, though. It's been a while, but I swear it happened pretty much exactly the same. no?

[The Man]

It's been awhile since I read it, but in the book he says something correcting the order of the crimes in Oberyn's account, ending with something along the lines of "then I smashed her fucking head in, like this", and then kills Oberyn.

[Psychotic]

wtf nobody posted in the thread since the episode?

Does anybody else quite like Alliser Thorne now? :shobon: Fair play to the smurfer.

Also the look on that kid's face when he shot Ygritte xD "Hey Jon Snow saved your life :smug:" "NO YOU LITTLE trout WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!?!"

[Shiny]

She should've shot him tbh. No dick is worth an arrow in the back.

[WildRaubtier]

A quick read of the duel scene and Gregor's killed an innocent bystander... That didn't happen in the show. :I

[WildRaubtier]

Ok so gregor grabs his knee, and holds him tight ~like a lover~, then uses his free hand to sove his fingers in oberyn's eyes, punches his face, then crushes his head.

Tyrion instantaneously pukes. That didn't happen in the show. :I

And of course GRRM used his typical food porn descriptions with the puke, dont you doubt that for a second.

[Noctis Caelum]

Not much to say about the new episode. It was brilliant, better than the war on Blackwater Bay. A hundredfold bigger in scale. I'm not so sure how I feel about Jon going out to find Mance though.

A better way to end the episode would have been Samwell and his men invoking him to be their new Lord Commander.


wtf nobody posted in the thread since the episode?

Does anybody else quite like Alliser Thorne now? :shobon: Fair play to the smurfer.

Also the look on that kid's face when he shot Ygritte xD "Hey Jon Snow saved your life :smug:" "NO YOU LITTLE trout WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!?!"
I always had a bit of a soft spot for Ser Alliser. Is he a :bou::bou::bou::bou:? Absolutely, but he has the Nights Watch best interests at heart. He's also a seasoned Ranger, so it's of no surprise that he held his own against Tormund Giantsbane.

To be honest, I picture Alliser as a more gritty version of Jorah Mormont.


Ok so gregor grabs his knee, and holds him tight ~like a lover~, then uses his free hand to sove his fingers in oberyn's eyes, punches his face, then crushes his head.

Tyrion instantaneously pukes. That didn't happen in the show. :I

And of course GRRM used his typical food porn descriptions with the puke, dont you doubt that for a second.
Pretty damn sure Tyrion started to laugh immediately after as well. Who cares though. If you're going to constantly compare the show to the book, you're going to have a bad time. Just realize that the two don't have to be 100% identical and enjoy them both for what they are.

[magemasher]

Yeah Ser Alliser showed his true colours in a way, he told everyone why hes a bit of a dick, he had some great lines as well. Good to see most of my favourite Nights watch survive, as far as GOT goes I count that as a win.

The Giant Archer............ holy shit.

One gripe was is the poor prosthetic on the charging archer, someone needs to go to the Peter Jackson School of epic masks.

[Del Murder]

This episode was good, reminded me of Helm's Deep in LoTR. Wasn't as good as Blackwater though. Blackwater was cool because you were kind of rooting for both sides. I like when they focus on one group like this. I was half expecting this battle to be overlaid with Tyrion slowly walking up the steps to the headman's platform. So glad they didn't do some bulltrout like that.

[Jiro]

Quite a few characters I liked killed off this episode, but it was inevitable. Surprised the Night's Watch didn't get steamrolled. That fucking giant archer man, hoo boy. But that fucking little kid's face, he was so proud of himself, and all I could think was "fucking hell Sam why'd you tell him to fight". I don't know what Jon or Ygritte expected to happen but at least they could, y'know, chat a little. Briefly. What a crapsack world. It does steel Jon for doing some rough shit ahead though. Is he effectively Lord Commander currently, given the others are dead or pussies or out of action?

[Freya]

When his head hit that anvil. I auidbly said ouch!

The transition from the giant to the top of the wall to the bottom was done well. Poor guy who's fell though.


Awesome episode.

[Noctis Caelum]

I don't think they ever revealed who killed Ygritte in the books, did they? Or am I wrong? That whole scene was such a stereotypical Hollywood esque ending.


Quite a few characters I liked killed off this episode, but it was inevitable. Surprised the Night's Watch didn't get steamrolled. That smurfing giant archer man, hoo boy. But that smurfing little kid's face, he was so proud of himself, and all I could think was "smurfing hell Sam why'd you tell him to fight". I don't know what Jon or Ygritte expected to happen but at least they could, y'know, chat a little. Briefly. What a crapsack world. It does steel Jon for doing some rough trout ahead though. Is he effectively Lord Commander currently, given the others are dead or pussies or out of action?
A vote has to take place.

[Jiro]

Well I wouldn't count Ser Alliser out of it just yet. He's a stubborn bastard. But yeah, they're no doubt suffering a bit of a command issue, given the fact that four different dudes had control of the Wall during the battle. :shobon:

[Noctis Caelum]

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:| That's almost 1000lbs, btw.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I knew tonight's episode would be entirely focused on the wall once I saw the opening credits and there were only 5 actors in the cast before the names of the crew started rolling. I love that about this show. The opening credits are specifically relevant to every episode.

I couldn't believe I was actually cheering for Alliser this episode. Up until this point he's just been a trout head. But that's the beauty of Game of Thrones I suppose is being able to see that there are sides to everyone that you'll like and dislike.

I had the same thought as you Psy, that kid shot Ygritte and he was like :smug:

I thought for sure that Sam was going to bite the dust in this episode. I heard the bell toll when he said "I promise I'm not going to die". That's usually a bad sign for this show.

I wonder what will happen to that guy that was hiding with Gilly? I imagine there's gotta be some sort of punishment for cowards in the Night's Watch.

[blackmage_nuke]

Does anyone who's read the book remember if wildlings actually did so much raiding south of the wall? I might be misremembering but I thought they were meant to keep a low profile so they could surprise attack them from both sides when Mance Rider ordered the first attack. I definitely dont remember the Thenns being there and I dislike how it takes away any moral ambiguity and just turns the fight into good vs evil. Good episode though, loved the long panning shot of the fight.

I was hoping someone more consequential and dramatic would kill Ygritte like Alisser or Sam. Or Gilly if we want maximum irony

[Shaibana]

i figured one of the lovers had to die as soon as they started raiding the holdfast...
i was hoping for a happy ending but then i remembered... its GOT

[Shorty]

Thank god for smartphones. I'm downloading to watch on my lunch right now :love: As I will do with the last episode because I will be unable to wait until the following evening to watch it!

[Alive-Cat]

I liked it when there was a big hairy elephant and a large man was angry at everyone

[Rantz]

I don't think they ever revealed who killed Ygritte in the books, did they? Or am I wrong? That whole scene was such a stereotypical Hollywood esque ending.

If I remember correctly, Jon checks the arrow after and determines it wasn't one of his own (there was no *staring at each other with love and dread*, he just finds her after the battle), and that's as much as we know. That scene was definitely groanworthy. Other than that, good episode!

They don't seem afraid to kill off characters that are still alive in the books. I count at least two more this episode (Pyp and Grenn). I suppose they've likely made sure they don't have super important roles beforehand, though.

[Shaibana]

I liked it when there was a big hairy elephant and a large man was angry at everyone

yes, lets all take a munite to reflect on that.. that was a giant... on a mamoth

[Alive-Cat]

I liked it when there was a big hairy elephant and a large man was angry at everyone

yes, lets all take a munite to reflect on that.. that was a giant... on a mamoth

The large man was pretty giant, old friend! True words from a truer person.

It was cool to focus the whole episode on one particular section of the story, although that did mean Daenerys wasn't included at all but it has happened before and I survived that time. I guess I can once more.
Sam definitely came into his own, and he got some lady action too, nice. If someone murders him I'll be pretty unhappy. I think Sam should win the game of thrones.

I do think for a penultimate episode they could have covered the whole battle...rather than just the lead up. I guess it may have seemed rushed if they did but I don't know, unless they are going to leave the situation at the wall until next season, I feel like it might be a drain on the finale especially since they've had a whole episode to themselves. There's a lot of other ting going on!

Actually, I'll be most upset if Ghost died. I can't be having no more animals dying in no more Game Of Thrones! :nonono:

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Actually, I'll be most upset if Ghost died. I can't be having no more animals dying in no more Game Of Thrones! :nonono:

I was happy to see Ghost this episode!

Direwolves for the throne.

http://www.wired.com/2013/03/dire-wolf-pet-dog/

[McLovin']

Loved this episode. I noticed when baldie smashed Jon's head into the anvil, Jon smashed his head right back with a hammer. :)

Allister fucking throne, wow. "With me! With me!!!!"
When that giant charged!? "There are no gods in this tunnel."
I was aware of how fucking awesome this episode was as I watched which brought it to a new height of intensity.

Basically, had a fucking intense raging boner the whole episode. That's my official review.

[Freya]

Pyp got one shot off and died but Grenn? Grenn was awesome. He knew full well when Jon told him to hold the gate that he'd probably die. He knew full well when the giant was charging that he would probably die. Jon wasn't his commander. Jon was his friend. And he was loyal to his friend and to the nights watch. And he rallied his men and killed the giant.

Grenn was a beast and I am sad.

[chionos]

Actually, I'll be most upset if Ghost died. I can't be having no more animals dying in no more Game Of Thrones! :nonono:

I was happy to see Ghost this episode!

Direwolves for the throne.

http://www.wired.com/2013/03/dire-wolf-pet-dog/

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[Alive-Cat]

CUTE DAWG

[Pike]

Ygritte/Jon Snow OTP. I am sad. :(

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

According to the previews we'll finally see Bran & co in the next episode.

Is there a chart somewhere with up to date listings of which important characters are still alive in each house, show wise?

[Madame Adequate]

I couldn't believe I was actually cheering for Alliser this episode. Up until this point he's just been a trout head. But that's the beauty of Game of Thrones I suppose is being able to see that there are sides to everyone that you'll like and dislike.

Ser Alliser's a brute and an arsehole, but he still knows how to do his job. There is no other side to Janos Slynt except his cowardice, and every other person on The Wall including a preadolescent boy and nursing mother showed more courage. Potato Boy did his job without needing much encouragement from Sam, and then straight up killed a Wildling with his little practice bow. Gilly was ready to fight off an attacker with a leg of ham. Grenn would have been in serious trouble for pretending that order for Janos to relocate was given, though more likely busted down to the shittiest job on the Wall than executed. Whoever is in charge now is only going to be stayed from executing Janos because they just don't have the manpower to kill him, but if he can't convince them he'll be useful in some capacity they probably would anyway.

God damn that was a great episode though. That long pan of the fight was superb, the violence was solid, but Jon Snow's face would really be a lot more messed up after smashing into an anvil like that. Also by the Seven those weren't arrows the giants were firing, they were freaking ballista bolts.

[Ayen]

Ygritte? Ygritte?

YGRITTE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Madame Adequate]

Does anyone who's read the book remember if wildlings actually did so much raiding south of the wall? I might be misremembering but I thought they were meant to keep a low profile so they could surprise attack them from both sides when Mance Rider ordered the first attack. I definitely dont remember the Thenns being there and I dislike how it takes away any moral ambiguity and just turns the fight into good vs evil. Good episode though, loved the long panning shot of the fight.

I was hoping someone more consequential and dramatic would kill Ygritte like Alisser or Sam. Or Gilly if we want maximum irony

Given that Jon Snow got back to Castle Black safely, they'd already know of the plan to attack from the south so there's little point in laying very low. On the other hand they can scare people and create general chaos by raiding Potatoville and Mole's Town and stuff, plus do you really want hungry Thenns around?

[Formalhaut]

Possibly they did lots of raiding down south to create panic and fear within the Crows, making them either more ineffective in battle, or drawing them out to protect the villages, leaving Castle Black woefully underprotected. Thankfully, Alliser (I think it's him, anyway) decides to stay within Castle Black, thinking that what the wildlings would want.

[Loony BoB]

Terribly gutted at the deaths in this episode. And I'm not referring to Ygritte. Pyp and Grenn wtf. ;_;

[Jess]

Just watched. Epic!

The giants! The mammoth! The scythe!

Gutted about the death of Grenn (more so than Pyp). Ygritte's death was sad, but her or Jon had to die, and I preferred it to be her, so meh!

I don't know if I can wait a week for the finale!


Jaime and Varys freeing Tyrion
Tyrion killing Shae and Tywin
The Hound's "death"
Lady Stoneheart (last scene!) - Brienne and Pod to come face to face with her, perhaps?
At least a little something with Bran, Sansa and Dany.

It would be an added bonus if we get to see Stannis arrive at the wall, too, but after the Wall having a whole hour dedicated, I have a feeling we won't see anything more of them until next season? Or will we!?

Regardless of what does happen out of the above, I have a feeling it's going to be the best finale so far - by a country mile!

E: just saw the preview, glad we get to see more North! Didn't glimpse Sansa, though.

[Raistlin]

Overall a very good episode. It was a bit disappointing to see GoT revert to some overused action-movie tropes, such as the hero kneeling over his love interest in the middle of a fucking battle to share an emotional goodbye (*gag*), but fortunately that was a relatively small portion of the episode.

[Jinx]

I didn't like this episode because a.) I hate the Wall and b.) I don't like action scenes and this was one long one. I appreciate what they did with it, it's just not something I personally had any desire to watch.


NEXT WEEK THOUGH

[Shorty]

What a great smurfing episode. The music made it for me. It was absolutely smurfing spot on, and as Del Murder mentioned, it reminded me also of Helm's Deep and the soundtrack of the LotR battles. It set the tone for every single thing, from battle preparations, being outnumbered and attacked from every side, the last glimmer of hope, to getting in order again to Jon leaving. smurfing great, all of it. Made the episode.

Some minutes in, it became apparent to me that they were just going to focus on the Wall for this episode, and I had my reservations about it at first, but they just did it so splendidly. I'm glad to see I was not the only one actually rooting for Alliser during this episode. It's clear he's a hard, unfeeling asshole, but he was a smurfing good commander in this battle and he did his duty. Not only that, he inspired those around him to defend the Wall. If the living had any doubt about their brotherhood before, they surely don't now.

I straight up sobbed to pieces when that kid shot Ygritte. Anyone could see her and Jon meeting in battle from a mile away, and it might seem sappy on paper, but they both just executed it beautifully. I sobbed my stupid eyes out while he sat there holding her as the battle went on around them. It seems to me, though, that he did them both a favor - neither of them needed to make the first move to kill one another, and one of them would have had to do it. I don't know who I would have placed bets on going first (probably Ygritte). And I sobbed again when he went below to find a dead Grenn and said, "They held the gate." Oh man, that was rough.

I really liked how changed Jon seemed after the battle the next day when he decided to go find Mance. He's always been a brave dude who did what needed to be done, but something about him just seemed to have snapped and he seemed to harden himself after the battle. His last little smile to Sam was comforting, though. I'm interested to see how he fares north of the Wall.

A complaint, if I may - not buying this Inspirational Sam thing, and the scenes with Gilly arriving at the Wall and then later kissing him... ah what? They both just seemed so forced. Didn't love it. Not one bit. Also, would have loved to see more Ghost destroying!

Can't wait to see Mance. What an awesome episode, and an awesome way to leave it. This is shaping up to be perhaps my favorite season, and this finale is going to be so jam-packed. These past few episodes leading up to it have just been done so wonderfully. I'm not going to know what to do with myself for another nine months after this show is over.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

I loved everything about this episode. Definitely my favorite of this season, maybe even of the whole show.

I remember how much I hated Alliser from the books, and he is still a gigantic prick. But his perfomence in this episode was astoundingly good. The guy who plays him did his part perfectly. I hate Alliser, but he was without a doubt a leader of warriors who could rally men who hated him around him for a cause. I had chills every single time he spoke this episode. Loved it.

Janos is still a fucking :bou::bou::bou::bou:.

Things with Ygritte happened differently in the book, if I remember right, but I liked this much much more. It helped keep the humanity of the characters in the fight. A sad thing to happen, but I knew it had to be.

Grenn. Oh Grenn, you beautiful, brave bastard. I loved you in the books and you did so well in the show. A beautifully brave stand off against the giant. Almost glad I didn't get to watch them all die.

I can't get over how intense this episode was. I know it was pretty much an hour long battle and a couple of you aren't about that. Maybe it is the Marine in me, or maybe it is the man in me, but I loved it.
The way Jon took control of the situation. Exactly how I had imagined it. omg. Favorite episode, I think, for sure.

[Ayen]

It didn't feel forced to me. I really enjoyed Sam this episode.

I agree with more Ghost destroying, though.

[Quindiana Jones]

So many great lines in this episode. "Pyp! Open the FUCKING gate!" "Does nook mean fucking draw? Does hold mean fucking drop?!" "FUCKING LOOOOOOOOSE! *flail in rage*" Ser Alliser utterly dominated this episode with his amazingness.

It was a disservice to Grenn not to show them fighting off the giant. That could have been such an amazing piece of TV. Close quarters desperate battle with a giant. I can imagine them hacking away whilst being batted away one by one, until the giant grabs Grenn and slams him into the ground, hard. With his last bit of strength, Grenn throws his shattered body at the giant's face and buries his sword deep into its skull. And then they die in the position we find them. Would have been amazing to watch, and His Magnificence The Beard definitely deserved it.

[Miriel]

BJ has this problem too--he wants to see good guys win and bad guys lose. He's admitted he would be happy just watching a show where all the Starks stayed in Winterfell and hung out and ate ham all the time and the Lannisters died of the trouts.


I'm like this too! I would seriously be content to watch happy people being happy all the time. This is why my favorite parts of Downton Abbey were the bits where they dressed pretty and would have dinner parties and hated all those episodes where they killed off people.

[Kalevala]

I was very excited going into this episode. I remember reading the chapters that covered this battle and being absolutely enthralled. I hadn't been that on the edge of my seat while reading in a very long time. Did this episode live up to that experience? I don't think so. Did it disappoint? Not at all.

First, clearly if two versions of something are similar enough the first version you experience will be the one you prefer. With the books I went in not having a clue what would happen, whereas with the show I had a pretty good idea of how things would pan out. That being said, GRRM managed to make the battle feel drawn out (I believe it lasts three days in the books?) without making it boring to read. You feel the relentless attacks of the Wildlings just as much as the Night's Watch, and just when you think it's over another wave is coming. You feel hopeless and cold and just want things to end for them, but at the same time as a reader the adrenaline is causing this excited euphoric feeling that you never want to end. I understand it's hard to convey that in an hour, and I think Benioff, Weiss, and Marshall did an excellent of working with what they had. Also, what we were shown didn't seem like upwards of 100,000 Wildlings. The force didn't seem as imposing (aside from giants on mammoths) because of this, but again, limited resources. They did a fantastic job nonetheless.

A lot of people have been pointing out the differences between Ygritte's death in the books and the show, and many were disappointed by what they considered a "Hollywood" or trope-y scene. I think it's worth pointing out, however, that this wasn't on account of Benioff and Weiss. The parts of the scene that push it into Hollywood trope land were present in the source material. In fact, their final conversation is even longer, and Jon has some pretty cliché lines that were cut from the episode. That being said, the scene tore me up when I read it and it tore me up again in this episode. I understand it's clichéd, but it's a scene that has caused me to shed a few manly tears in both its print and television incarnations.

Kit Harrington knocked this one out of the park. This was a big turning point. Jon is a very different person after this battle. He speaks, moves, and acts very differently from here on out. Kit nailed that change in character. You can see it immediately.

Dolorous Edd is still alive. All is right with the world.

Free Tyrion. Dead Shae. Dead Tywin. Lone Arya. Bloodraven and the Children of the Forest. Baby-eating dragons. STANNIS THE MANNIS. LADY STONEHEART. GET HYPE.

[Ayen]

Can I just say how much I love this series? Book and TV show?

Because I do.

[Del Murder]

The difference is that the scene in the book happened after the battle while in the show it was during it. That's the only problem I had with it. The 'you know nothing' as her last line...come on you knew that had to happen!

[Kalevala]

Yeah, I think that's a fair criticism. Although, and I'll have to watch that scene again to confirm this, aren't they behind some sort of structure while this is happening? I seem to remember there being a building or something similar in between them and the bulk of the fighting.

[Psychotic]

It's two people together sharing a still and quiet moment as chaos rages all around them don't you see it's a metaphor for love - and indeed specifically their love? It's the god damn cave. Honestly now!

[Kalevala]

"Love is the death of duty."

[Shlup]

That episode had a lot of :monocle: moments for me. It was very well crafted, and I hear it was the most expensive episode so far.

The boy killing Ygrette though... Good for him! She murdered his parents in cold blood! Kid's a badass and she got what she deserved!

[Shaibana]

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i love it how they dont imediatly jump back to Kings landing but instead offer us a different part of the realm so we can all overthink that moment for another week

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[Dr Unne]

Overall a very good episode. It was a bit disappointing to see GoT revert to some overused action-movie tropes, such as the hero kneeling over his love interest in the middle of a smurfing battle to share an emotional goodbye (*gag*), but fortunately that was a relatively small portion of the episode.

Pretty much. Ygritte's death was cliche right down to the camera angles.

I liked the Sam parts. All the fighting stuff was boring. I'm hoping for good stuff next week.

[Shiny]

The fighting was epic. I thought it was weird that they decided to focus on one thing, especially because this now means they have to cram in several things for the finale, but they'll manage to do it in an hour. The finale is always a little bit longer anyway. The only thing I didn't like about the episode is what other people mentioned -- Jon Snow stopping in the middle of a friggin' battle to hold Ygritte and be very melodramatic. This episode is infinitely more enjoyable when you have surround sound or really good headphones. Give an Emmy to whoever did the sound goddamn.

[Freya]

The reason this episode cost so much: the wall.

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[Jinx]

Yeah, while I didn't care for this episode (not because it was bad, just not my particular favorite sort of thing regardless of what show/movie it is) the music was AWESOME. I actually noted to Denmark while we were watching it that it sounded completely different from any music in the rest of the series, and I really appreciated that.

[Madame Adequate]

Come on guys the man thought he was about to be killed by the only woman he has ever loved or bedded and then out of the blue she gets shot. He's going to take a minute. Sam held Pyp while he was dying and nobody's bitching about that!

[Formalhaut]

Come on guys the man thought he was about to be killed by the only woman he has ever loved or bedded and then out of the blue she gets shot. He's going to take a minute. Sam held Pyp while he was dying and nobody's bitching about that!

It is pretty cliche, but I'm with Mister on this one. I'd be more surprised if Jon just walked off to slay more wildlings leaving Ygritte in the dirt.

[Freya]

Grenn held the gate when he was dying :colbert:

[Shorty]

GRRM makes his living giving us what we don't expect and knocking cliches, give him this one you bastards :doublecolbert:

[Loony BoB]

I wasn't really too bothered about it. The only bad guy firing arrows at that point was Ygri-- oh wait. And the rest of the soldiers were in the midst of battle and I believe at that point the Watch were winning, so it's not like he was going to get killed all of a sudden. Sure, they played it out better in the books, but it wouldn't have made for great TV. "Oh by the way someone shot Ygritte we don't even know who." ALTHOUGH APPARENTLY IT'S OKAY FOR GRENN DESPITE HIM SURVIVING IN THE BOOKS.

Poor kid is probably somewhere between confused and mortified. The first time in his life he kills someone and the Knight of the Watch he expected thanks from went over to the dying 'enemy' and cuddled her in despair.

The fighting was epic. I thought it was weird that they decided to focus on one thing, especially because this now means they have to cram in several things for the finale, but they'll manage to do it in an hour.
I'm thinking it more and more likely that they will just save some of the next big happenings for next season. It's not like they didn't kill Joffrey at the start of this one, so major events right at the start won't be anything new.

[Pike]

I will never know why people have a problem with cliches. Cliches are cliche for a reason which is because they work. I don't care how cliche something is as long as it makes me feel feels, and Ygritte/Jon made me feel feels so deal w/ it

[Shorty]

I wasn't really too bothered about it. The only bad guy firing arrows at that point was Ygri-- oh wait. And the rest of the soldiers were in the midst of battle and I believe at that point the Watch were winning, so it's not like he was going to get killed all of a sudden. Sure, they played it out better in the books, but it wouldn't have made for great TV. "Oh by the way someone shot Ygritte we don't even know who."

I don't think it matters who shot Ygritte; it certainly didn't in the book, and I don't think it matters that the kid shot her in the episode, it was just an ironic moment. It could have been just as powerful of a scene for Jon to be running by in battle and see her out of the corner of his eye stuck with an arrow and halt in his tracks by surprise and have them do that same scene anyway.

[Loony BoB]

Yes, but it's far better television in general to go with what they showed off. "Dat's good telly."

[Formalhaut]

I think the reason why Grenn and Pyp died is because the show only has time to focus on a few characters on the wall, whereas the books have more room to include more named characters.

That, and I guess for dramatic effect and emotional attachment, and all that.

[Ayen]

Speaking as a cliche myself I can tell you that the cliche in the last GoT episode was of adequate quality, and all those who disagree are objectively and morally wrong :colbert:

Okay, maybe not. But how awesome does objectively and morally wrong sound?

[Shaibana]

that kind of movie-cliche just doesnt fit GOT, thats the whole problem

[Rantz]

I don't really mind cliches in general. I guess I just wasn't feeling this moment, or the chemistry between Jon and Ygritte's actors in general, which made the cliche-ness of the moment much more apparent. I didn't think it was completely terrible, just one of the lamest points of the episode for me. I can see how it'd be easier to appreciate if you were more immersed in the tension between the two.

[Dr Unne]

Remember Joffrey's death? It was messy and painful and people were freaking out, screaming, crying, panicking. That was a good death. If I got shot through the chest with an arrow, I for one would probably be showing some indication that I was in agony. If the girl I loved got shot, probably the same. I wouldn't assume Hollywood Death Position and talk about my feelings.

If they had to bring Ygritte and Jon together again, here's how it should've gone:

*Ygritte sees Jon*
Ygritte: SMURF YOU JON SNOW! I HATE YOU!
*Ygritte shoots arrow that just barely misses*
Jon: NO! YGRITTE! STOP!
*Ygritte charges him with a knife screaming, a battle cry, hatred in her eyes. Jon is paralyzed, he doesn't want to fight her, it's heartbreaking and terrible.*
*Suddenly Ygritte is shot in the back at the last second*
Ygritte: UGH! AAAAAAAAAA! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHRJKVBLBBLBLBLBLBBBLLLLBBBLLLL
*Ygritte spins and clutches at her back ineffectively. Blood spills everywhere.*
Jon: YGRITTE! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
*Jon runs to her and tries to help. With her last strength Ygritte shoves him off and glares at him, unable to speak, struggling to breathe, kicking her feet in the dirt in a futile effort to get away or do anything. She dies with her angry eyes fixed on Jon.*
Jon: Ygritte! Ygritte...
*Jon stares in shock for a second. Then the sounds of battle bring him back to life. He staggers away, broken, weeping bitter manly tears, looking around without seeing anything. Then he sees a wildling, snarls and uses him as an outlet for the pain he's feeling. Camera pans out, showing all the filthy, bloody Night's Watch in black fighting the filthy, bloody wildlings. Camera zooms out further, until Jon blends in with all the nameless faceless people who fought and lives and died today, and the sounds of battle are lost in the snow. Fade to next day. Life sucks. GAME OF THRONES*

It would've fit the show. In real life people have stupid grudges and they hold onto them. Ygritte spent the past few months plotting Jon's death, why the change of heart? There is no change of heart in the books from what I recall.

Instead we get:

Ygritte: I just murdered dozens of your friends. Oh yeah also a while back I helped that bald guy eat some people. I've been plotting your death for 3 months because you betrayed me. But now I lurrrrrrrrrrrrve you~
Jon: Let's snuggle~ Good thing no one is paying attention to me, the strapping young warrior that just got off the elevator and single-handedly turned the tide of the battle. Good thing this entire castle full of my sworn brothers and the fate of the entire realm doesn't depend on my actions. I'll just go ahead and expose my back now.
Ygritte: :) :| :( *dies*
Jon: 8{

Maybe not so bad as that, but close. They acted it well, but the writing was silly.

[Alive-Cat]

Maybe it was cheesy, but I'm happy with it because it's the ending I wanted for them in my heart. It's tv, it's not real...and although one of GoT's best qualities is its realism when it comes to the characters, it still doesn't always have to be so.

You get people complaining about the characters dying all the time; but that's real. Then when something is a little cheesy and more like a tv show, other people don't like it.

I just like how GoT manages to pull it all off and very well, really.

[McLovin']

complain all you want but without that scene then this fanart would never have been possible. Gives me chills. And it seems to be inspired the FF8 logo no? :D Squall and Rinoa = Jon and Ygritte

http://i.imgur.com/uMRVeUy.png
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[Ayen]

Haters gonna hate.

[Raistlin]

I agree with Unne for the most part, though I still understand why Ygritte hesitated. My biggest issue is that the scene was just out of place in the gritty realism that surrounds most of the show. Obviously Jon was going to be hurt by her death, but there's a difference between being hurt and kneeling down unprotected in the middle of a goddamn battle while the camera slowly pans out. It was out of place for the show, and just unrealistic for Jon.

And Sam's reaction to Pyp was entirely different: 1) they were hidden behind a half-wall surrounding the platform, and 2) Sam generally being a less-experienced wuss whose mid-battle freakout was more in-character and realistic. Ygritte's death was an overly-cheesy attempt to get people to "feel feels," but all I felt was bile in my throat. It was definitely done better in the books: there are a lot of people, and you don't always see who dies. People aren't always killed in big dramatic moments with all eyes upon them.

It was the opposite of Oberyn's death, where the show did everything to look like it was setting up the stereotypical good vs. evil, David vs. Goaliath underdog victory over insurmountable odds to complete his revenge against a sworn nemesis and then... oh wait, his head's cracked open. Whoops. I can respect the cheesey buildup if you're going to subvert expectations.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

Omg. You guys suck. A bunch of critical meanie heads. Just enjoy the show.

[Freya]

IT WAS TOUCHING AND IT WAS GOOD. STOP BEING MEANIES.

[Rantz]

~opinions~

[I Took the Red Pill]

Omg. You guys suck. A bunch of critical meanie heads. Just enjoy the show.


IT WAS TOUCHING AND IT WAS GOOD. STOP BEING MEANIES.
No one is being mean. :confused: Anyone who's talking about the lame love scene said they really liked the rest of the episode. If you want this thread to turn into a circlejerk in which nobody can critique any part of the episode, then, well, :|

Anyways, I felt the same way as a lot of others about this episode. Music was so perfect, and the cinematography was, as usual, incredible. Alliser was great in this episode. I've always thought that he was one of those dickheads who actually cared about his duty and did what he thought was best. Love scene was cheesy and lame, my butthole puckered a bit in cringe when she had to throw in the U KNO NOTHING line in as she died. But overall a minor complaint from a really good episode.

[Kalevala]

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[Del Murder]

You can't be edgy and unpredictable all of the time. Bring on the cliches! The fact that they irk the fanboys makes them all the more enjoyable.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

If you want this thread to turn into a circlejerk in which nobody can critique any part of the episode, then, well, :|


I request a return to said circlejerk.

[Jiro]

Yeah as much as I liked Ygritte-Jon I was more bummed at Grenn. I mean, the dude held the gate. He held the fucking gate. Hero. I knew he was gonna get it when they lingered in that scene but come on can't a brother get a break.

[chionos]

I didn't really like how they dealt with Grenn. It was like Jon forgot about the gate and Grenn having to hold it. You'd think he'd have rushed in there at some point. It's like we're missing some information in the show, like someone already came and told Jon that the gate held but everyone died or something. Jon stopping to look at the dead bodies and saying "he held the gate" took away from the moment instead of adding to it.

Ygritte saying her line one last time was absolutely inevitable, and I'm surprised it surprised anyone. Having read the books, the moment that "you know nothing Jon Snow" became a meme, you knew those would be her last words.

As far as it being out of character for Jon to stop fighting to cuddle Ygritte, I disagree. It's perfectly in keeping with his character. Jon Snow is soft, or at least softer than everyone else around him. Ygritte was a unique, wild woman, and Jon Snow will never know her equal, of course he should cuddle her as she dies. Jon Snow is unique in this show because he is a leader with a heart. That is his strength and also his weakness in the story. That's the whole point of his character. (well that and the whole bastard will rise thing)

As for Ygritte. Well I think she was going to shoot Jon. I think a memory of love kept her from shooting right away, but she would have in the end if Olly hadn't ended her.

BTW, I loved Olly's little head nod to Jon. Whatever else you want to say about the scene, that was fantastic.

What was wrong with the scene was Ygritte mentioning the cave. That was the truly cheesy moment, the bad writing. The rest is understandably inevitable.

I scoff at the "battlefield experts" who think they know what would or wouldn't happen in the midst of battle.

[Noctis Caelum]

Bought the fourth season soundtrack off iTunes. It's so beautiful.

[Shaibana]

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[Ayen]

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The bloodiest Disney movie ever made.

[Formalhaut]

Don't ruin my beloved Disney films with memories of that... filth​!

[Madame Adequate]

I can't stop repping Shaibana's posts because they're all filled with hilarious stuff.

For my part yeah I got more feels from Grenn and Pyp than I did Ygritte, but that doesn't mean I felt no feels at all with Ygritte and Jon. Scene was touching.

[Formalhaut]

Just realized that after the airing of the last episode, I'm going to have to revert to my non-GoT set. I have literally no idea what I'm going to change into. Help!

[Ayen]

Just realized that after the airing of the last episode, I'm going to have to revert to my non-GoT set. I have literally no idea what I'm going to change into. Help!

Says who? Pod 4 life!

[Formalhaut]

It's sort of like leaving your Christmas tree up well past January, if you get what I mean.

[Ayen]

If it was up to me I'd leave the Christmas Tree up all year long.

[Formalhaut]

If it was up to me I'd leave the Christmas Tree up all year long.

:stare:

[chionos]

It's sort of like leaving your Christmas tree up well past January, if you get what I mean.

Yes, we all get what you mean. theundeadhero needs to shave (http://home.eyesonff.com/showthread.php/152790-The-Skinny-Jeans-Picture-Thread-of-Alive-Man-s-Love-Nuggets?p=3427493&viewfull=1#post3427493).

[Jinx]

I think our record was April or May.

[Shaibana]

Just realized that after the airing of the last episode, I'm going to have to revert to my non-GoT set. I have literally no idea what I'm going to change into. Help!

you are one of the very last die-hards to keep the GOT sig till the end..
i would have followed you with pride if Penny Dreadfull didnt presuade me..
im weak.. very weak, shame on me

[Formalhaut]

Just realized that after the airing of the last episode, I'm going to have to revert to my non-GoT set. I have literally no idea what I'm going to change into. Help!

you are one of the very last die-hards to keep the GOT sig till the end..
i would have followed you with pride if Penny Dreadfull didnt presuade me..
im weak.. very weak, shame on me

How could you! You were my inspiration!

(That, and I had nothing else to change it to, so :monster:)

[Ayen]

Knowing me I'll probably switch back to Arya long after the season is over. Make Shaibana go :stare:

[Alive-Cat]

If I had a GoT signature/avatar set, I have no idea who I would be. Who do you think?

[Formalhaut]

If I had a GoT signature/avatar set, I have no idea who I would be. Who do you think?

I think to give your username added irony it should be that guy who was executed by Ned Stark in Season One. You know, that guy whose name I forget.

[Shaibana]

If I had a GoT signature/avatar set, I have no idea who I would be. Who do you think?

I think to give your username added irony it should be that guy who was executed by Ned Stark in Season One. You know, that guy whose name I forget.

Ser Ilyn Payne
here is a sig for you

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[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

I think he means the guy that Ned Stark executed in like, the first episode.

EDIT: Will. His name was Will. A deserter of the Nights Watch.

[Shaibana]

I think he means the guy that Ned Stark executed in like, the first episode.

ooh, my tired mind read it completely wrong

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120808130711/gameofthrones/images/thumb/0/08/Will.png/250px-Will.png
Will of the nightswatch

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Will

[Ayen]

I think I like him as Ser Ilyn Payne better.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

Ah. I see you used internets quicker than I could find it in my nook.

[Shaibana]

Ah. I see you used internets quicker than I could find it in my nook.
i also planned to get the book but then i remembered... i'd have to get up

[Ayen]

Ah. I see you used internets quicker than I could find it in my nook.
i also planned to get the book but then i remembered... i'd have to get up

I sympathize with ya there.

[Ultima Shadow]

If they had to bring Ygritte and Jon together again, here's how it should've gone:

*Ygritte sees Jon*
Ygritte: SMURF YOU JON SNOW! I HATE YOU!
*Ygritte shoots arrow that just barely misses*
Jon: NO! YGRITTE! STOP!
*Ygritte charges him with a knife screaming, a battle cry, hatred in her eyes. Jon is paralyzed, he doesn't want to fight her, it's heartbreaking and terrible.*
*Suddenly Ygritte is shot in the back at the last second*
Ygritte: UGH! AAAAAAAAAA! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHRJKVBLBBLBLBLBLBBBLLLLBBBLLLL
*Ygritte spins and clutches at her back ineffectively. Blood spills everywhere.*
Jon: YGRITTE! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
*Jon runs to her and tries to help. With her last strength Ygritte shoves him off and glares at him, unable to speak, struggling to breathe, kicking her feet in the dirt in a futile effort to get away or do anything. She dies with her angry eyes fixed on Jon.*
Jon: Ygritte! Ygritte...



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Bernkastel4.pnghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/AGAFURO/Yukari1.png
"...And then!!! Out of nowhere, comes
a random wildling, charging at Jon from
behind and just smashes his head with
a freaking axe while going all: 'DIE CROW!
KILL ALL THE CROWS! GWAHAHA! Bwaha!!!"
"...no, Bern. I think you are the only one
who would have appreciated that outcome."

[Ayen]

"...no, Bern. I think you are the only one
who would have appreciated that outcome."



*whistles innocently*

[Lonely Paper Star]

A4oQzTGTc_g

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

The type of thing you miss by not watching The Wil Wheaton Project.

8tPMDO7P0Tw

[Shiny]

Come on guys the man thought he was about to be killed by the only woman he has ever loved or bedded and then out of the blue she gets shot.

Boring

Needs more naked Jon Snow.

[Loony BoB]

If I had a GoT signature/avatar set, I have no idea who I would be. Who do you think?

I think to give your username added irony it should be that guy who was executed by Ned Stark in Season One. You know, that guy whose name I forget.

Ser Ilyn Payne
here is a sig for you

http://31.media.tumblr.com/c37baa34038be74d146f6a8ec5d74ab9/tumblr_msv54yAXvg1soo5r4o1_500.png
Instead of all those words, it should simply read " ".

[Dr Unne]

I didn't really like how they dealt with Grenn. It was like Jon forgot about the gate and Grenn having to hold it. You'd think he'd have rushed in there at some point. It's like we're missing some information in the show, like someone already came and told Jon that the gate held but everyone died or something. Jon stopping to look at the dead bodies and saying "he held the gate" took away from the moment instead of adding to it.

It's a recurring theme... someone saves the day, someone does something heroic or good, and no one will ever know. It's the story of Tyrion saving King's Landing. It's the story of Varys. (Maybe? Who can tell?) It's the story of the Hound saving Sansa. It's the story of Jaime and Brienne. It's the story of Sam and Gilly. It's the story of the whole Night's Watch. Ignored by everyone in the kingdom, a great big bunch of them just died, and meanwhile back in King's Landing, their requests for troops and basic aid are laughed at. It's one of the most tragic parts of the story.

It's almost a litmus test. Does a character want fame, glory, power, recognition? They're probably either evil or tragically stupid. Good deeds are quiet and small and affect a few people (and maybe the reader/viewer). Bad deeds are the ones everyone pays attention to. How often does someone in GoT benefit in a big way from a good deed? From an act of honesty or bravery or loyalty? Can anyone think of an example?

Part of me hopes the end of the series is everyone bickering over the Iron Throne, and then out of nowhere the whole nation is overrun by unkillable ice zombies.

[Loony BoB]

I think the closest we have so far of honourable intentions being rewarded with recorded victories is Dany. Robb was obviously doing well for a while, but then stuff happened. Beyond that? Nah, can't think of any major honourable intentions being given the thumbs up by the rest of the world.

[Shaibana]

the cliche could always been worse
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aD0edw9_460sa.gif

[blackmage_nuke]

If I had a GoT signature/avatar set, I have no idea who I would be. Who do you think?

I think to give your username added irony it should be that guy who was executed by Ned Stark in Season One. You know, that guy whose name I forget.

Ser Ilyn Payne

http://31.media.tumblr.com/c37baa34038be74d146f6a8ec5d74ab9/tumblr_msv54yAXvg1soo5r4o1_500.png

Executed by Ned so I assume he means that nobody from The Wall who died in ep 1

[Shaibana]

If I had a GoT signature/avatar set, I have no idea who I would be. Who do you think?

I think to give your username added irony it should be that guy who was executed by Ned Stark in Season One. You know, that guy whose name I forget.

Ser Ilyn Payne

http://31.media.tumblr.com/c37baa34038be74d146f6a8ec5d74ab9/tumblr_msv54yAXvg1soo5r4o1_500.png

Executed by Ned so I assume he means that nobody from The Wall who died in ep 1

we already sorted that out

[blackmage_nuke]

we already sorted that out

My bad. I only read from BoB's post

[Shiny]

I think this entire series should end with them all becoming ice creatures because they've essentially killed everyone including themselves.

[Loony BoB]

Then they can argue over the iron throne... as walking popsicles.

[Del Murder]

Game of (Ice Cream) Cones

[Shaibana]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/ajreEN0_700b_v1.jpg

[Alive-Cat]

Instead of his hand getting cut off they should have altered the story in the show so that instead he grows a stump out of one of his arms that has a mouth and just screams at people. Screams and screams.

[BustaMo]

I'm actually shielding my eyes from all other posts in this thread as I'm trying to reply, haha. I've only gotten halfway through Season 3 so far and have already had one major event spoiled by a numb-nuts on Facebook posting about it right after the episode was aired.

I can't wait to catch up. I'm currently reading the 5 book series (hopefully book 6 is out soon), in the meantime 'til I get my hands on the rest of Season 3 and then catch up on Season 4. I never thought I would get into this series, but after Bran was thrown out of the tower at the end of the first episode, I was hooked from there on out.

[Kalevala]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aD0edw9_460sa.gif

:crying:

[Jinx]

I could watch that gif forever just because of Kit's face. xD

[Carl the Llama]

I would like to present The Red Copter of Dorne:

http://i.imgur.com/XkXrgHh.gif

[Shaibana]

let slap the crap out of them!

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/ajre1G8_460sa.gif

EDIT: a chart of evil
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aQqWRmw_700b_v1.jpg

[Ayen]

let slap the crap out of them!

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/ajre1G8_460sa.gif

Introducing Mr. and Mrs. SLAP ALL THE BITCHES!

[Freya]

So they submitted for their emmy noms. They didn't submit the wall episode, the joffery episode or any of the omg episodes. They submitted the finale. Because they say it's the best finale and that most people are expecting the omfg of episode nine with a slower 10.


Apparently not this year...

[Jinx]

YES YES YES

THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME NEWS


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[Ayen]

My body is ready.

[Shaibana]

is the finale this week or next?

[Jinx]

This weekend.

[Del Murder]

I'm scared.

[Alive-Cat]

My mouth, nose and eyes are watering in anticipation.

[Shaibana]

i cant believe the season is almost over :(

[Alive-Cat]

I'm just counting down the days until Daenerys comes in beating the crap out of everyone with dragons and her ex-slave army and everything is okay.

I haven't read the books yet so please don't tell me anything unfortunate happens to her, ever :( a little of my soul would die. Or at least half.

[Jess]

:omgomg:

[Noctis Caelum]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/06/13/GOT-Final-Scene-1.jpg

Script from Tyrion's trial leaked.
More here (http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/14/game-of-thrones-tyrions-trial-speech-script/)

[Loony BoB]

Does it really count as 'leaked' when it's already been aired?

[Mirage]

that's what I was thinking too

[Ayen]

That awkward moment when you realize what's going to happen next falls on Father's Day. THEY DID THAT ON PURPOSE!

[Rantz]

That awkward moment when you realize what's going to happen next falls on Father's Day. THEY DID THAT ON PURPOSE!
Ha. xD

[Shiny]

The interesting thing though is that most people even those who haven't read the book seem to know what's going to happen next. xD

In some ways I'm hoping that they'll stray a little from the books when it comes major plot points just so people who have read them can go "WHAT THE HELL :O"

[Ayen]

The interesting thing though is that most people even those who haven't read the book seem to know what's going to happen next. xD

In some ways I'm hoping that they'll stray a little from the books when it comes major plot points just so people who have read them can go "WHAT THE HELL :O"

Followed shortly by, "THEY RUINED THE BOOKS WORST SHOW EVER!"

It will amuse me.

[Noctis Caelum]

Does it really count as 'leaked' when it's already been aired?
Yes. It's very rare for scenes scripts to leak. It's one of the first I've ever seen get leaked.

Wouldn't post it if it was for a scene in the finale. What would the fun be in that?


That awkward moment when you realize what's going to happen next falls on Father's Day. THEY DID THAT ON PURPOSE!
I feel terrible, but I just laughed so hard. They totally did do it on purpose too. Everybody's gonna be shocked as hell. That is, if people haven't spoiled it yet.

[McLovin']

the Game of Thrones fathers day advert that HBO aired was fucking hilarious. Like Robert telling Joffrey he was a bitch. Roose telling Ramsey he's a bitch. Balon telling Theon he's a bitch. And then: Happy Father's Day! :D

[Ayen]

In this Game of Thrones
It's eye for eye
There is no middle ground
You either win or die
Watch the cats who watch your back
You can get hit quick man and that's a fact
Politics and bed fellows
What's real?
Who's fake?
The surprise in your eyes when your man goes snake
It can happen to your fam or you all alone
We go big
We go home
We play this Game of Thrones

MfhaYLacFZM

[Carl the Llama]

I cant believe they didn't show Lady Stoneheart that really smurfed me off... how could they leave something like that out, other then that I thought the finally was a pretty good if a tiny bit lacklustre, Tywin dead... I didn't really feel much, and after the way they killed Oberyn I was hoping for something a little better. I really cant wait to see Arya next season, I think her story is going to be really taking off.

I loved the children under the tree and was a little sad to see Jojen go, and for a brief moment I thought (even though I knew it wouldn't happen) that Bran might have died there, finally we see the remaining Stark children take the centre stage. Arya is going to have her training at the house of black & white, Sansa is finally coming into her own and Bran is becoming a warg... I'll be honest, I'm not sure what kind of significance bran is going to be in the future and it is really interesting to see what is going to happen.

Now I wonder what Cercei is going to do to drive Jaime away and give her up when she needs a champion

As for Brienne, I loved her fight with the hound, best fight of the season imo. I'm not to sure whats going to happen with her in the future... and tbh I don't care to speculate about it. She and Pod seem like to minor to have a major roll in the next season, but who can tell?

Dany... her story seems a little dragged out, I am even beginning to grow bored by her story. I'll admit it, if she doesn't start doing something decent next season I will probably not care what happens to her. Getting really tired of the lack of dragons tbh, I expected to see more of Drogon then the brief performance of him getting breakfast. I'd give her a 1.5/5 rating this season, and only because she freed the slaves.

Edit: Stuck with my GoT sig the entire season ^^ next year I'm having Jaime Lannister.

[Jinx]

I loved this episode. Everything about it was amazing. So many feels. Especially when you find out about the little girl and when Dany locked up her dragons. Jaime and Tyrion's farewell.

Seeing Arya heading towards the ship, I was jittery with anticipating, thinking

THIS IS GOING TO BE IT

THE BEST MOMENT IN THE WHOLE SERIES

THE MOMENT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SINCE I READ STORM OF SWORDS

THE MOMENT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR TWO YEARS

NO smurfING LADY STONEHEART

And basically I am horribly pissed and it's ruined the entire episode for me. I LOVED this episode. And then...like, REALLY? With everything that happened this episode, that ending would've just been SO smurfING PERFECT.

AND THEY RUINED IT

And they probably won't show it until the season finale next year, so I've got to wait a whole goddamn year and just

DFHKSDUFOSFHSOFUW)EUR)RJOSDFU)WEOruwoaRGFHSEOruqoptuq

[Ayen]

Seeing a couple of characters share the spotlight for the first time was a personal highlight for me. I wasn't expecting the Wall to get any more screen time given the one hour battle they had last week, but I enjoyed it. I was genuinely sad to see the dragons be locked up. I'm guessing they suffered a budget cut or something since there were very little dragons this season. The children under the tree was nice, too. I kept expecting him to say, "Come with me if you want to live." I don't know why.

My jaw fell to the floor when I DIDN'T get to see Lady Stoneheart.

[Freya]

Stannis the mannis.

Also yeah the lack of the omg at the end and now I have to wait a whole nother year. :/

[Elite Lord Sigma]

Is there any particular reason why Tysha wasn't addressed in this episode? Considering how much influence she has on Tyrion's character arc, it seems a bit odd for her not to be here. Then again, I hear that Shae is characterized very differently here than she is in the book.

That note aside, I liked this episode for the most part. The last scene with Arya and the Hound together was my favorite part. Not only was the fight leading up to that part well executed, it was a pleasure listening to Sandor, lying bloody and broken at the bottom of the cliff, ramble on to Arya as she impassively looks on. I'd probably have to watch the scene again to better sum it up, but that was the one that stood out most to me.

[Jinx]

The thing is, I actually thought the final scene was great. It was photographically beautiful, the choral song was stunning and hopeful, and while I'm not a huge Arya fan, her story just took a very interesting turn.

And then they had that extra long black pause and I hoped. Oh god.

But I just feel like that scene--which I would in any other way consider perfect--was ruined.

Bleh.

[Ayen]

Is there any particular reason why Tysha wasn't addressed in this episode? Considering how much influence she has on Tyrion's character arc, it seems a bit odd for her not to be here. Then again, I hear that Shae is characterized very differently here than she is in the book.

That note aside, I liked this episode for the most part. The last scene with Arya and the Hound together was my favorite part. Not only was the fight leading up to that part well executed, it was a pleasure listening to Sandor, lying bloody and broken at the bottom of the cliff, ramble on to Arya as she impassively looks on. I'd probably have to watch the scene again to better sum it up, but that was the one that stood out most to me.

It was my favorite scene, too. Pity, in another life I could imagine Arya and Brienne being pretty good friends.

I thought Arya and Pod was going to fight there too for a minute. Or at least have Pod chasing after Arya during the fight.


The thing is, I actually thought the final scene was great. It was photographically beautiful, the choral song was stunning and hopeful, and while I'm not a huge Arya fan, her story just took a very interesting turn.

And then they had that extra long black pause and I hoped. Oh god.

But I just feel like that scene--which I would in any other way consider perfect--was ruined.

Bleh.

The burden of being a book reader.

[Noctis Caelum]

Do I need to state the obvious?
Don't read until after watching the finale.

I wish people would stop saying they're disappointed for the lack of LS. People are just gonna look it up because they won't know what it means, and immediately get disappointed and extremely angry. Anyway, that particular person can still be shown in the premiere for next season.

Stop focusing on what wasn't shown in this episode, and focus on what was there. I can't believe how many amazing scenes we had in this episode. Brienne vs Sandor was amazing. The choreography was through the roof, which is what we come to expect, but they just seem to outdo themselves every season.

All of the Tyrion scenes were wonderful, I just felt like there was a missed opportunity with him commenting on seeing whether his father truly trouts gold. I approve of them speeding up the process of him leaving for the crate. In the books, that whole thing took ages and was almost confusing as to what was going on. Even him scurring around the castle to find Tywin was confusing. Sometimes, less is more. And a great example of correctly utilizing that was done here.

Arya had the most impactful episode of the entire series, so it's great to see her story will be getting more exciting at last.

We FINALLY saw the Three-Eyed Raven. And the show spoiled something even for book readers. There was no confirmation that Jojen was killed. Now it's all but confirmed that he is indeed the paste that Bran eats so that he can warg into trees. So Bran's story is getting a much needed jolt as well.

What else? Jon's story came to a nice conclusion but I still think they should have at the very least initiated the vote for their new Lord Commander but I shall not complain because I smurfing love every second of Tormund that we get.

The scene with Cersei and Tywin was intriguing. I don't recall if she ever explicitly tells him about herself and Jaime, but it would be interesting if that nugget of information played a role in Tywin bedding Shae. We can argue all day how those two got into bed (no pun intended) with one another, but I doubt there will ever be conclusive evidence, what with both of their current predicaments.

Dany continues to show her absolute incompetence. I do hope this opens the floodgates for everyone that loves her so fiercely. "Mother of Dragons", who cannot control her babies, and has to chain them up. I enjoyed that scene, although Emilia's lack of emotion when actually chaining them up was so bad that I cringed. It just looked like she was doing nothing, then when she looks back at them screaming in disgust, she's balling her eyes out. Bitch please. If they weren't CGI, you wouldn't maintain a stoic expression while chaining 'em, and you know it. Your acting has been bad for the whole season, but this is just a prime example of it. But it doesn't matter whether she acts well or not, does it? Because she has bewbs and dragons so smurf she's the greatest, isn't she? Oh hey guys, I'm gonna come and free y'all slaves. Love me! Wait, you want to go back to the Masters and be slaves again? GO THEN! SIGN THIS THING CALLED A CONTRACT. I SHALL ADD THAT TO MY LIST OF TITLES. "CREATOR OF TREATIES". BOW BEFORE MY EXCELLENCE. It's truly hilarious how anybody can take her seriously. She'll do one thing, and then do something ten minutes later that will contradict her entire character development. Nice one there!

Varys continues to be the sleeper pick for most expected to rule the Seven Kingdoms when this series officially ends. Everything he does, is masterfully planned. He's a genius, and I truly want him to become a POV character in both the show and the books, but I fear writing for him in a more consistent way would be very spoilerish.

[Shorty]

Strong opening scene with the Wall. I really enjoyed that they picked right off where they left Jon Snow before. Could have really done without that special Ygritte burial North of the Wall, though. That was nonsense. We had our closure in the last episode, and it was pushing mush cliches. This one just made it boil over.

Oh my god, Daenerys chaining up her dragons. Sobbing, sobbing the entire time because I knew what was coming. My puppy was sitting right next to me during that scene and he knew I was sad so he comforted me and it made me feel even sadder.

Holy trout JOJEN WHAT THE smurf WHAT HAPPENED THERE WHY WHY WHY also I'm pretty disappointed at the lack of Cold Hands. That would have been really neat to see and could have easily been worked into the story.

I've only just passed the children of the forest/Greenseer part in the book, and I'm so glad I did. I keep drawing similarities between this show and LotR. When I was reading this part in the book, I imagined what it looked like when Aragorn when to visit the Men Under the Mountain. I must say, the Greenseer was a bit disappointing to me; I really wanted to see some crazy special effects with his skin blending with the trees and roots and a twisted morbid figure. I also hoped for more emphasis of his phrase, "but you will fly," especially since we as show viewers haven't been able to hear why that Three-Eyed Crow says to Bran. The execution of that scene was a bit anti-climactic to me, I felt.

The interaction between Arya and Brienne was one of my most favorable moments between the two of them at the season. And then The Hound had to come in and go all sentimental against his character with his admission that he's watching over her and I just rolled my eyes. Too out of character for me. Also the scene with him dying as Arya watched went on for entirely too long. It began to lose its meaning for me by the time he was begging her to just off him and I no longer cared about staring into her dead-eyed face as she just gazed at him.

Really loved the tender moment between Tyrion and Jaime as they were telling eachother farewell quickly. It was succinct and to the point with feels and was great.

Oh my god, the look of utter incomprehension on Tyrion's face when he found Shae in that bed was just heartbreaking. This scene got me so badly in the books and it was one of the biggest "what the smurf" moments of the series and it just destroyed me to think of how he might be feeling. This is the scene I've been waiting episodes for. It felt over all too quickly by the time it passed for me, though.

Bit disappointed of no mention of Tysha or "where do whores go" in Tywin's final appearance as it's such a big part of the parts I'm reading about him right now!

Also, Varys on the docks. A bit careless not to be dressed in atleast one of his clever disguises, even if he knows his absence will be noted.

Not the best final scene for a season, imho. I personally don't care about Arya and her going to Braavos, and I think it would have been stronger to end with Tyrion's scene and him being shipped off or even a shot of Drogon somewhere in the middle of nowhere soaring in the sky and raising hell, but ah well. Overall really incredibly strong season, and I am very pleased.

[Ayen]

Dany continues to show her absolute incompetence. I do hope this opens the floodgates for everyone that loves her so fiercely. "Mother of Dragons", who cannot control her babies, and has to chain them up. I enjoyed that scene, although Emilia's lack of emotion when actually chaining them up was so bad that I cringed. It just looked like she was doing nothing, then when she looks back at them screaming in disgust, she's balling her eyes out. Bitch please. If they weren't CGI, you wouldn't maintain a stoic expression while chaining 'em, and you know it. Your acting has been bad for the whole season, but this is just a prime example of it. But it doesn't matter whether she acts well or not, does it? Because she has bewbs and dragons so smurf she's the greatest, isn't she? Oh hey guys, I'm gonna come and free y'all slaves. Love me! Wait, you want to go back to the Masters and be slaves again? GO THEN! SIGN THIS THING CALLED A CONTRACT. I SHALL ADD THAT TO MY LIST OF TITLES. "CREATOR OF TREATIES". BOW BEFORE MY EXCELLENCE. It's truly hilarious how anybody can take her seriously. She'll do one thing, and then do something ten minutes later that will contract her entire character development. Nice one there!

Your hate of the Targaryen girl could rival that of the late great King Robert. Tears were starting to fall from her eyes while she was chaining them up so I'm not sure how she was maintaining a stoic expression there. I would have liked to see her deny the old man's request and see conflict rise from there as Daenerys deals with liberated slaves who don't want to be liberated. Did it happen the same way in the books or was this a show exclusive?


Not the best final scene for a season, imho. I personally don't care about Arya and her going to Braavos, and I think it would have been stronger to end with Tyrion's scene and him being shipped off or even a shot of Drogon somewhere in the middle of nowhere soaring in the sky and raising hell, but ah well. Overall really incredibly strong season, and I am very pleased.

Sorry, but I disagree. Regardless of one's feelings towards Arya, I think the cinematography of the ship sailing off through the ocean with the sun shinning in the sky was a much better ending than Tyrion being put in a crate and sailing off in the dead of night. Maybe the Drogon shot would have been better, but unless we're promised more Drogon in Season Five it would have just been annoying to get a teaser of him to finish off the season.

[Shorty]

That's just it, I don't feel that the end scene of a season needs to necessarily lead directly into the next season, which is why I think a Drogon shot would have been a nice touch. I don't personally feel that Arya is a very strong character or that she has a very strong story, which is why I felt her scene was a poor choice.

Also, I have yet to read more about it, but I have a distinct and heavy feeling that Drogon will play a part in Daenerys' future, whether he is in the next season or even the season after that. I was quite surprised there was not a mention of the role I believe he will play during this episode because it was apparent and obvious in the books.

[Ayen]

I do think Arya is a strong character and enjoy her scenes, so we're just going to have to agree to disagree there. Drogon might have gotten more scenes in general if for whatever reasons we didn't see much of the dragons this season weren't there.

[Shorty]

Need more dragons!

[Ayen]

I get the feeling one deviation from the books readers wouldn't protest would be Dany leading her army across the narrow sea on the back of her dragon and setting fire to the Red Keep.

Knowing Game of Thrones, though, the episode would first end with her touching down and the dragon roaring at the screen and then next week...

More scenes of people talking.

[Psychotic]

Stannis smurf yeah. smurf anyone that ain't aboard the Stannis train. True god damn King.

Hey Del? Remember you called me as Tyrion and I immediately called you as Tywin? Been waiting all this time for this moment. That's why I said you were Tywin. Suck it. :smug:


In some ways I'm hoping that they'll stray a little from the books when it comes major plot points just so people who have read them can go "WHAT THE HELL :O"They smurfing did with Jojen and the Hound vs Brienne fight, smurf me.

Also to be honest with you I had completely forgotten the thing you lot are all up in arms about until I came to this thread and saw you bitching about it xD Wasn't needed, was a smurfing monster of an episode.

[Ayen]

Smurf Stannis. Davos Seaworth for king.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

Very good episode. I have not read the books up to this point, so I cannot complain about whatever was different or missing.

Hodor.

[Shiny]

The ending was perfect ending on Arya and her new beginning. The season began with her and fittingly ended with her.

[Dr Unne]

A lot of sad stuff happened. I feel sad.

[Yellow_Magic]

There's an entire rap album (http://io9.com/heres-the-entire-game-of-thrones-rap-album-for-your-li-1538773151) devoted to Game of Thrones. It's...not very good, but the idea is solid. There are a lot of similiarities between Westeros intrigue and thug lyfe, that's for sure.

Anyway, I really enjoyed that episode! My favourite parts for the (albeit brief) crossing-over of storylines - Jon/Stannis in particular was great to see, especially with the whole "What would Ned do" thing. Also, I cheered out loud when Brienne beat the Hound to a bloody pulp - that was awesome.

I wonder what the deal was between Tywin and Shae: Seriously, how on Earth did THAT happen?

Also, I'm assuming Jaime had some sort of plan in place when he helped out Tyrion, because Tywin was obviously gonna find out who was responsible...was he planning on murdering Tywin himself? With or without Cersei?

[magemasher]

Great episode, Stannis you hero:D

So where would I have to start reading to go from the end of series 4? I can't wait a year.

[Quindiana Jones]

I wonder what the deal was between Tywin and Shae: Seriously, how on Earth did THAT happen?

I believe it was just the revelation that Tywin was as whorey as Tyrion. He never disapproved of Tyrion's whoring, just that he was so open about his negative traits. Not respectable conduct for a Lannister and whatnot.

[Noctis Caelum]

Oh yeah, the look between Melisandre meeting Jon Snow for the first time... that was awesome. And for any non-book reader, they probably think she's going to eat him alive. Not that they're not wrong...

[Mirage]

Get the smurf out of here with your BOOK SPOILERS. They're doing more than you think they are. You have a whole own thread to duck around with your books :doublecolbert:

Anyway EVERYONE I LIKED SURVIVED. Arya did what I had wanted her to do since that braavos guy first left. The only thing that annoys me was that Cersei's head wasn't impaled on a dozen crossbow bolts.

[Psychotic]

Mirage I remember you saying you would stop watching if Tyrion got executed. How did you feel about how his plotline for this season was wrapped up?

[Alive-Cat]

Best parts -

Jon Snow picks up a cup and drinks from it, then coughs a bit
Some people have beards
I had beans and chopped tomatoes while watching
There's a horse

Possible improvements -

More ducks
A cat that talks with a well known actor's voice, maybe George Clooney or Jim Carrey
A man comes in and says to Daenerys if she would like to come over for a cup of tea, turns out he's actually a tea salesman
Turns out Jaime Lannister is actually a bee

Overview -

Kind of like an epilogue, as last episode was a huge crazy finale of a battle but this episode was more subdued, like a vicious dog that's on drugs.
Daenerys is my favourite character but her scenes have gotten more and more boring and they are moving along at a snail's pace. I felt like crying when she chained the dragons up.
I liked the episode a lot. It will be a long wait now. I'll have to watch Homeward Bound 2: Lost In San Francisco every day until the fifth season comes on.

[Ayen]

We're forgetting the most important part.

SMURFING SKELETONS! MORE OF THAT PLEASE!

[Mirage]

Mirage I remember you saying you would stop watching if Tyrion got executed. How did you feel about how his plotline for this season was wrapped up?

Extremely satisfied. I was at the edge of my seat watching it.

[Shorty]

Hurray!

[Ayen]

The only thing that annoys me was that Cersei's head wasn't impaled on a dozen crossbow bolts.

Poor guy didn't have enough arrows. That and I think his love for his brother and nephew and niece would have prevented him from offing Cersei anyway. But Tywin? Smurf Tywin. Died on the crapper.

[Dat Matt]

That whole scene with Brandon Stark et al.

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[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I loved Cersei this episode.

"If you try and force me to marry I'll tell everyone the rumors are true about me and Jaime. The rumors you don't want to believe but you know are true."

http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index.php?src=http://www.gifsoup.com/view/40735/damnn-o.gif&size=400x1000

[The Man]

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[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Sometime I like looking back on the very first episode. It's so nice seeing all the Starks in one place (and alive).

[Rantz]

Great episode!

The wall part was good, though I would rather have seen them progress a bit further with that story instead of saying goodbye to Ygritte a second time and that.

The Daenerys parts are definitely starting to drag on, but at the same they almost always tell a very important part of her story. I imagine they can only hurry her story so much without putting her out of sync with the rest of the world, too.

Bran's part was great. Kinda wish they would've stuck to more semi-decayed humans rather than skeletons for the wights, and I would have loved to see the Three-Eyed Raven more tree-like and interwoven with the branches, but those are minor nitpicks.

Brienne vs. Sandor was an AWESOME fight! I didn't see it coming either, and I didn't know who to root for (though I had an inkling how they'd tie it together with the book story), and dat choreography! One of my favourite fight scenes from the show so far, I think. I liked the scene after between Arya and Sandor, too. Say what you will about Arya's story so far, but she has some of most interesting character development in the show. That was a pretty damn cold move.

Tyrion's part was everything I wanted from it, really. Sure, I could nitpick here too, but overall I think they did this incredibly well. As some others have mentioned, I'm also curious what they'll do with Tyrion's character from now on, considering the parts they left out. Curious in an excited way, though!

I'm not bothered by them leaving the Lady Stoneheart scene for later. I was expecting them to squeeze it in, and it would have been a cool scene to end on, but the episode was action-packed enough. Arya's scene was a nice note to end on.

[Ayen]

I forgot about the way they had the wights before in Season One. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to have both. We don't know how long those bodies has been buried in the snow and that is ultimately what happens to a corpse. The wights we've seen before wasn't dead for that long unless there's something I'm forgetting.

[Shiny]

Tywin be like:

sittin' on da toilet
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[Pike]

Man that was a great episode.

The saddest part was the dragons in chains :whimper:

[Madame Adequate]

My only and single issue with this episode is that there was so much of it that was good that I just wanted more and more and more. Every aspect of it was superb and satisfying and it feels nice to just get a brief respite from everything in plot terms as several plots have reached a conclusion and new ones are starting up in their wake.

I am surprised that Lady Stoneheart wasn't revealed because it seemed like the really obvious time to do it but then again this episode had Children of the Forest with actual fireballs and The Hound and Brienne fighting and Tywin on the privy and oh man.

[Ayen]

*looks at sig* Mister Adequate, were those your skeletons that attacked Bran? :mymelbert:

[Rantz]

I forgot about the way they had the wights before in Season One. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to have both. We don't know how long those bodies has been buried in the snow and that is ultimately what happens to a corpse. The wights we've seen before wasn't dead for that long unless there's something I'm forgetting.
I'm not so much concerned about that, I just always find skeletons to make for pretty silly-looking and immersion-breaking enemies. I can't really take them seriously.

[Ayen]

I forgot about the way they had the wights before in Season One. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to have both. We don't know how long those bodies has been buried in the snow and that is ultimately what happens to a corpse. The wights we've seen before wasn't dead for that long unless there's something I'm forgetting.
I'm not so much concerned about that, I just always find skeletons to make for pretty silly-looking and immersion-breaking enemies. I can't really take them seriously.

I can see that. Especially after Castlevania 64 >.>

[Dat Matt]

The Spooky Scary Skeletons, you might say!

[Madame Adequate]

Well I do want Meera Reed for myself but nah, we were busy partying in Qohor

[Shlup]

Dear book people: You know why the show creators didn't put in the scene you were expecting? Because you were expecting it. You overhyped the trout out of it too. Knock that trout off. It makes complete sense to push that scene back since Lady Stoneheart doesn't do trout for a good long time after being revealed. Shut your smurfing faceholes about it.

I am concerned, though, about the way they trimmed the scene between Tyrion and Jaime. They were supposed to have a conversation that was very significant for the development of both of their characters, and now that Tywin's dead and Tyrion's on a ship I don't know how they'll make up for it. Tyrion's motivation in the next season should be finding Tysha, his wife from when he was young, after Jaime confesses she really wasn't a whore. Tyrion asks Tywin about it while he's on the pooper and want to know where she is, to which Tywin tells her "Wherever whores go," which motivates Tyrion to search for her. Out of anger over Jaime's confession, Tyrion tells Jaime that Cersei's been sleeping around, after Jaime has been faithful to her all this time. I really love Jaime and Tyrion's relationship; it's makes Jaime so complex to be the kind of guy who pushes children out of windows but loves his baby brother.

Also, the re-characterization of Shae made her murder really, really dark. In the books she was just some stupid whore who deserved to be choked to death.

I'm not complaining about the changes; just noting them.

I thought they did a fabulous job overall though. I love that they dragged out Arya and the Hound's adventures and added an interaction with Brienne; it was really great. I was looking forward to Arya's next adventure for a long time, but she really did need to have her storyline drawn out a bit longer, and adding more Hound was a great choice.

And I just loved Cersei this episode. She may be a bumblesmurf when it comes to wanting and having power, but as a mother she does not smurf around.

[Shaibana]

Great season ending!

Tyrions part was great. i know some spoilers but they didnt happen yet, like i expected they would...

makes it even more exciting!

[Ayen]

I am concerned, though, about the way they trimmed the scene between Tyrion and Jaime. They were supposed to have a conversation that was very significant for the development of both of their characters, and now that Tywin's dead and Tyrion's on a ship I don't know how they'll make up for it. Tyrion's motivation in the next season should be finding Tysha, his wife from when he was young, after Jaime confesses she really wasn't a whore. Tyrion asks Tywin about it while he's on the pooper and want to know where she is, to which Tywin tells her "Wherever whores go," which motivates Tyrion to search for her. Out of anger over Jaime's confession, Tyrion tells Jaime that Cersei's been sleeping around, after Jaime has been faithful to her all this time.

Didn't Tyrion mention Cersei sleeping around when they were talking in his cell a few episodes prior?

[Carl the Llama]

Man that was a great episode.

The saddest part was the dragons in chains :whimper:

I beg to differ, the saddest part was I have to wait another year for the next episode :colbert:

[Jess]

Best. Finale. Ever.

I was so torn when Brienne and The Hound fought: I like them both, and I've really developed a soft spot for Sandor. So I was a bit sad. :( however, I am a believer of Sandor being alive, so I wasn't that sad! Sandor Clegane v Robert Strong?

I wasn't expecting Jojen to be going anywhere just yet! I feel like Bran's story has just jumped ahead of most of the others. What are they going to do with him next season?

Tyrion's scene was great but what now? What is going to be Tyrions driver next season? How is Jaime going to grow to hate Cersei? Interested to see where that is headed

When Stannis arrived at the wall? Awesome!

And you know what let me be disappointed at the no lady stoneheart! It would have just made the perfect episode even more perfect. Don't get me wrong, I'm not devastated! I just hope they haven't cut her entirely as she plays a pretty big role - the reintroduction of Gendry (he has to be more!) Brienne, Pod, Jaime?

[Ayen]

Man that was a great episode.

The saddest part was the dragons in chains :whimper:

I beg to differ, the saddest part was I have to wait another year for the next episode :colbert:

I agree with the Hound.

[Carl the Llama]

Man that was a great episode.

The saddest part was the dragons in chains :whimper:

I beg to differ, the saddest part was I have to wait another year for the next episode :colbert:

I agree with Carl the Hound Llama.

I fixed this for you lol

[Loony BoB]

I've read most of the stuff that was revealed in this episode along with what most people are up in arms about being missing. There were two things I felt they would possibly do in this episode at most after the previous episode, which to be honest I felt was better than this one. The first thing I thought they would do is Tyrion's escape (and Tywin's death) which they did. The second thing was Stannis arriving at the Wall, which they did. What I didn't expect was both, although I did kind of think they might - I just thought they would save one of these things for the first episode of next season, much like Joffrey's death was saved for the first episode of this season. I never thought they would show Arya hopping on a boat, nor did I think they would show the other thing everyone has mentioned (that they didn't show). It just didn't seem like the right time - these two other things were much more immediate given the last couple of episodes and I felt they had to be done more than anything.

Personally, going by my perspective and the amount of shock from Danielle about each thing unravelled during the show, I think Stannis' arrival would have been the perfect sendoff for this season because it was the most surprising development for those people following the series. Danielle rattled off a bunch of people she thought it could be when the army arrived but didn't mention Stannis. She loved that. And the size of his army! Amazing. Tywin's death was not done nearly as well and Arya's boathopping wasn't nearly as impacting as most of the ends of episodes this season. I don't think I've read the Bran stuff, though, so that'll be neat to catch up on.

Looking forward to reading up on what happens next in the book, because it's caught up with around where I am for a bunch of the plotlines now.

Also, of all the things they left out, I was most surprised at what Shlup mentioned. That for me was such a massive development. It'll be interesting how they play that out, for sure.

Best episode this season? Probably the previous one, for me.

[Jinx]

I less pissed off the longer the show's been aired, but I'm still disappointed.

Also, I think maybe they're speeding up Bran's story because Isaac Hempstead-Wright is growing up SO fast. The other Stark children are obviously getting older, but not to the extent he is. That's just a theory though, I dunno!

EDIT: Joffrey didn't die in the first episode. It was the third episode this season, I believe.

[Alive-Cat]

I less pissed off the longer the show's been aired, but I'm still disappointed.

Also, I think maybe they're speeding up Bran's story because Isaac Hempstead-Wright is growing up SO fast. The other Stark children are obviously getting older, but not to the extent he is. That's just a theory though, I dunno!

EDIT: Joffrey didn't die in the first episode. It was the third episode this season, I believe.

Like how Harry Potter or Ron Weasley overtook their character's ages in the movies and then was this weird man thing playing a school boy awkward :greenie:

[Shorty]

Personally, going by my perspective and the amount of shock from Danielle about each thing unravelled during the show, I think Stannis' arrival would have been the perfect sendoff for this season because it was the most surprising development for those people following the series. Danielle rattled off a bunch of people she thought it could be when the army arrived but didn't mention Stannis. She loved that. And the size of his army! Amazing. Tywin's death was not done nearly as well and Arya's boathopping wasn't nearly as impacting as most of the ends of episodes this season. I don't think I've read the Bran stuff, though, so that'll be neat to catch up on.

Stannis arriving at the Wall wasn't a surprise, though. Not if you were paying attention to the past episodes, anyway! There were letters sent out to the four corners of the kingdom. I felt like they made it pretty clear that he was heading to the Wall.

I don't really care, plenty of other business going on in the finale!

[Loony BoB]

Oh, I knew he was heading for the wall, I just didn't think it would be anything close to that fast. It was one of the few things to really surprise me in the books, while things like Tywin's death were pretty much "oh, another major player died, whaddyaknow" - it was more "interesting" than "oh, wow!" like Stannis' arrival was. For me, anyway!

Danielle initially thought it was the Whitewalkers, then she thought it was random Stark supporters. Essentially you always expect the nearby people to be there first rather than those who were, last we saw them, the furthest away. But then, chronology is always a bit weird in the books/show.

EDIT: And you're right, Jinx, my bad. Still, a good example of the most impacting things not always needing to be the last things in the season - hell, what did we get last time? Snow climbing the wall or something? Psssssshhhhhhhhh. I guess it's similar this time around with Arya and the boat. Just a whole "oh, there's something new on the horizon!" kind of feel. Which probably works really well if you were to marathon this stuff.

On a sidenote: Marathoning GoT. Oh man. I look forward to being able to do this someday.

[Ayen]

Man that was a great episode.

The saddest part was the dragons in chains :whimper:

I beg to differ, the saddest part was I have to wait another year for the next episode :colbert:

I agree with Carl the Hound Llama.

I fixed this for you lol

I am disappoint, son.


EDIT: Joffrey didn't die in the first episode. It was the third episode this season, I believe.

Second.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

"I'm looking for a Stark in the streets but a wildling in the sheets."

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[Aulayna]

I hate to say it, and I'm probably going to get blasted for it, but I'm beginning to get bored with this show now. It's all becoming really predictable.

I don't know, this season felt like a whole lot of nothing. I mean a lot actually happened, but none of it really felt truly impacting to me - this season really hasn't had the "omg I can't wait to go home to watch it tonight" vibe that the previous seasons did. There were some deaths, but the majority of them - Oberyn excluded - I saw coming from a mile off. I honestly would've been more shocked if Tyrion had actually been hanged. With Ned Stark I was second guessing right up until the end, but Tyrion I never truly felt like he was going to actually get executed at any point. As soon as Jamie freed him, I knew exactly what Tyrion would go and do.

Like honestly the biggest surprise to me of this entire episode was the little girl with fireballs. I will admit I was actually torn over who I'd want to win out of Brienne and the Hound though.

It just feels like it's all being spread thin, and diluted with the same plot devices just being used over and over. There's just so much going on now that it's lost the compelling complexity that made the first 3 seasons great to watch. I guess it just felt like a whole lot of "going through the motions" this season, I hope next season makes up for it because a lot of pieces have certainly been put into position.

Maybe this will be the type of season, that in a repeat viewing 8 years from now when I innevitably watch old tv shows again, I'll probably appreciate a lot more... but nothing has hooked me at the moment, and I'm pretty blasé about the prospect of season 5 as a result.

As an aside, the best part of that entire episode was the children's choir version of the main theme at the end.

[McLovin']

I hate to say it, and I'm probably going to get blasted for it, but I'm beginning to get bored with this show now. It's all becoming really predictable.

I don't know, this season felt like a whole lot of nothing. I mean a lot actually happened, but none of it really felt truly impacting to me - this season really hasn't had the "omg I can't wait to go home to watch it tonight" vibe that the previous seasons did. There were some deaths, but the majority of them - Oberyn excluded - I saw coming from a mile off. I honestly would've been more shocked if Tyrion had actually been hanged. With Ned Stark I was second guessing right up until the end, but Tyrion I never truly felt like he was going to actually get executed at any point. As soon as Jamie freed him, I knew exactly what Tyrion would go and do.

Like honestly the biggest surprise to me of this entire episode was the little girl with fireballs. I will admit I was actually torn over who I'd want to win out of Brienne and the Hound though.

It just feels like it's all being spread thin, and diluted with the same plot devices just being used over and over. There's just so much going on now that it's lost the compelling complexity that made the first 3 seasons great to watch. I guess it just felt like a whole lot of "going through the motions" this season, I hope next season makes up for it because a lot of pieces have certainly been put into position.

Maybe this will be the type of season, that in a repeat viewing 8 years from now when I innevitably watch old tv shows again, I'll probably appreciate a lot more... but nothing has hooked me at the moment, and I'm pretty blasé about the prospect of season 5 as a result.

As an aside, the best part of that entire episode was the children's choir version of the main theme at the end.

That's how I felt about the finale as well. A bit...lackluster. I wouldn't say predictable...but I knew what was going to happen pretty much. Before you say that's the definition of predictable I'd say they could have made me not know for sure if Tyrion would kill Shae or Tywin, but once he got that crossbow and him just seeing her it was pretty clear was going to happen.

Brienne and the Hound scene was awesome. I didn't want either to lose, but if I were Arya I wouldn't go with Briene either after that lol. Brienne should've had a better argument. Shoulda told her about helping her mother and looking for Sansa.

Best part of the episode was freakin Melisandre staring at Jon Snow through the smoke. Freakin bad ass. "There's is King's Blood in him...Oh R'hollor's gonna love this shieet. Oh yeaahhh. King's Blood, omg...ahhhh." And of course Stannis coming in, unexpected but also expected by this point lol.

I have no idea what's going on in Bran's story. I was like wat the whole time. Hodor-battles (is there a proper name for this?) are as awesome as always though.

And Dany's story couldn't have been more unfulfilling.

Jojen needed to stop warging it so much and hit the gym.

[Carl the Llama]

Man that was a great episode.

The saddest part was the dragons in chains :whimper:

I beg to differ, the saddest part was I have to wait another year for the next episode :colbert:

I agree with Carl the Hound Llama.

I fixed this for you lol

I am disappoint, son.


EDIT: Joffrey didn't die in the first episode. It was the third episode this season, I believe.

Second.

I kept my sig the ENTIRE season, unlike SOME people around here *stares intently*.

[Shorty]

I did last time. Penny Dreadful distracted me this time.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I did last time. Penny Dreadful distracted me this time.

A worthy distraction. All you poor souls who haven't gotten on the PD train need to make haste before the season finale.


I kept my sig the ENTIRE season, unlike SOME people around here *stares intently*.

Whaddup.

[Ayen]

Man that was a great episode.

The saddest part was the dragons in chains :whimper:

I beg to differ, the saddest part was I have to wait another year for the next episode :colbert:

I agree with Carl the Hound Llama.

I fixed this for you lol

I am disappoint, son.


EDIT: Joffrey didn't die in the first episode. It was the third episode this season, I believe.

Second.

I kept my sig the ENTIRE season, unlike SOME people around here *stares intently*.

The stare would be more intimidating if you still had your Hound set.

[Freya]

The part everyone is mad about not being included. After I have thought about, I don't think it would have fit. It would have been cool but show viewers would have been confused and it also has hardly any set up. Apparently they were debating even putting it in at all. Like at all. But with no build up people will be confused about it all.


Also I am still excited about stannis the mannis.

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[Madame Adequate]

I hate to say it, and I'm probably going to get blasted for it, but I'm beginning to get bored with this show now. It's all becoming really predictable.

I don't know, this season felt like a whole lot of nothing. I mean a lot actually happened, but none of it really felt truly impacting to me - this season really hasn't had the "omg I can't wait to go home to watch it tonight" vibe that the previous seasons did.

Obviously your taste is your taste, but I have a hard time understanding how people think it wasn't a hugely impactful and crazy season. Dany's story (much as I love her) was fairly slow this season, and we didn't see much of Varys, but aside from that trout has gone completely berserk. The wildling armies attacked The Wall, were repulsed, and have been crushed by Stannis. Stannis got a new army and took it north to defeat Mance Rayder, which he did with very few casualties. Joffrey died, Tommen took the throne, and now Tywin is dead, which makes Cersei the power behind the throne. Sansa escaped from King's Landing and has gone pro. Littlefinger is now basically in charge of the Vale. Roose has largely secured the North. Bran's reached some crazy-ass place with full on skellies and fireball magic. Tyrion's trial, both in court and by combat, was absolutely amazing television. Qyburn's up to something seriously messed up with The Mountain (Pycelle isn't one to go against Cersei without good reason).

Like I say I'm obviously not trying to argue that your feelings on the show are wrong :p I'm just not sure I really see where they come from.


Also, the re-characterization of Shae made her murder really, really dark. In the books she was just some stupid whore who deserved to be choked to death.

I'm curious about how the book goes about that in that case, because Pike and I both entirely felt she was just a stupid backstabbing whore who deserved to be choked to death.

e; for my part I'm not upset about the obvious omission, I was just surprised by it because it seemed - before we saw the episode - such an obvious stinger in the last ten seconds that would have show-only people go completely berserk, probably second only to the Red Wedding. Now that we have actually seen the episode I don't think it would have been as good an inclusion as previous assumed, because the tone of this was clearly one of settling a lot of plotlines and setting up their successors, but many of these were concrete enough settlements with obvious causes and guessable consequences. e.g. Tywin is dead, Tyrion is fleeing, Bran has reached the three-eyed raven, the wildlings are decapitated, etc.. and some even halfway satisfying situations, like Arya going to Braavos. Throwing in the big reveal would have been against the tone of the episode, I think, so despite my admitted surprise I reckon they made the right choice.

[Del Murder]

Best finale so far, and maybe the best episode. It brought a satisfying conclusion to every storyline and opened the door to new adventures. Can't wait for the TyrionxVarys adventures!