Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Psychotic]

We're sort of falling over ourselves in spoilers, aren't we?

In lighter news, I've finally went and made myself a Davos set. Not bad, as far as my incredibly mediocre photoshop skills go. It's like putting on a new change of clothes.It's pretty damn good. I like that Davos is in Hearts.

[Psychotic]

Important question: Who is the Ace of Spades?

[Jinx]

I love the gif you chose, Formy! DAVOS FOR KING!!!!!!!!

Also, RE: Spoilers

I get both sides of it, but the title to this thread has been a Walking Dead joke for MONTHS, and no one has said anything until now. Seems kind of silly to get upset about it at this point.

[Freya]

I love the gif you chose, Formy! DAVOS FOR KING!!!!!!!!

Also, RE: Spoilers

I get both sides of it, but the title to this thread has been a Walking Dead joke for MONTHS, and no one has said anything until now. Seems kind of silly to get upset about it at this point.
OH YEAH it is haha

[Shorty]

People come to this thread and expect Game of Thrones discussion. They do not expect to have to read spoilers from other tv shows that have their own entirely separate threads for those spoilers and discussion to go untagged. It would be nice for this not to happen again is all.


That's literally a scanned image from the GoT themed card set I got from Etsy, which funnily enough, Shorty recommended in our of her EoFF posts. At some point. I forget the details.

Say what?

[Quindiana Jones]

I just rewatched every season in about a week. I'd seen so many clips from every season that I wasn't sure where I'd actually got up to. Turns out I finished season four. Kind of a waste of forty hours, but oh well.

I just want to say that Sansa is becoming my favourite character. I used to feel that her being weak, then undergoing a transformation into a Game Player, then getting shut down by the Boltons was this confusing mess and undermined her character. But god damn, I was wrong. She does her duty to get revenge. Sure, Ramsay overwhelms her a bit and she takes a hit, but she constantly talks shit to him. Every word out of her mouth is spectacular.

[theundeadhero]

If you all want to discuss whats worthy of spoiler tags make your own thread. In the staff forum :p Les get back to discussing game of thrones.

[Psychotic]

I just want to say that Sansa is becoming my favourite character. I used to feel that her being weak, then undergoing a transformation into a Game Player, then getting shut down by the Boltons was this confusing mess and undermined her character. But god damn, I was wrong. She does her duty to get revenge. Sure, Ramsay overwhelms her a bit and she takes a hit, but she constantly talks shit to him. Every word out of her mouth is spectacular.Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Sansa's arc this season. I hope to see her learning from her past mistakes and starting to take more control and getting more agency in general. With that said, I can't help but fear she isn't quite free of Littlefinger's machinations. He made a point of saying to her it was obvious Stannis would stomp all over the Boltons, and I can't believe he would really think that.

[Jinx]

I'm currently rewatching all seasons (as I haven't done a proper watch through the last couple of seasons) and I totally forgot what a major :bou::bou::bou::bou: Sansa was the first season. My god. Unbearable.

But, she's one of my favorite characters both in book and show in the later parts of the series.

[Quindiana Jones]

Also, ages ago Jinx said that Daenerys was a god awful actor with her terrible expressionless face and dead eyes, and I defended her.

I was wrong. It's really jarring switching scenes from a bunch of good actors to her. It was especially disbelief wrecking to see Tyrion and Daenerys in the same scene.

[Quindiana Jones]

I think it worked for her. She was right prissy little miss, and that's how she came across. Nailed it.

[Jinx]

Also, ages ago Jinx said that Daenerys was a god awful actor with her terrible expressionless face and dead eyes, and I defended her.

I was wrong. It's really jarring switching scenes from a bunch of good actors to her. It was especially disbelief wrecking to see Tyrion and Daenerys in the same scene.

About goddamn time.

I'll say this:

She wasn't so bad the first season. Her acting kind of fit in with dumb, naive, docile Dany. When she commanded people and it sounded horrible and whiny, that could just be because Dany is horrible and whiny.

After that, uuuugh.

Although she's gotten better in later seasons. Still not good, but not as bad as she was before.

[Quindiana Jones]

Oh yeah, I loved her in season 1. She did a great job playing this kid forced into difficult situations, and her face portrayed the various emotions she'd be feeling really well. So she can do it. Someone just needs to teach her authority and presence.

"Hello... all."

[Psychotic]

Any time this comes up I immediately have to go and look at Jinx's profile.

[Jinx]

She still often looked blank and stricken dumb, but it worked with the story at the time. Like you said, just a kid. She doesn't know how to react to what's going on around her, she's powerless, she's afraid. So I actually loved Dany in season 1. Just finished the last episode with the dragons being born and it STILL gets me teary eyed.

After thaaaaaaaaaaat

[Psychotic]

I don't care about anything else in that trailer WHO'S HURTING POD

j/k I care about everything in this trailer, I'm so excitedSomeone analysed the ear of the person who did it to find out who it is. I'm not even making this up.


http://i.imgur.com/osfVqI4.jpg

[Shaibana]

Bhahaha the ear? Really? Ppl go that far?

[Shaibana]

credits to Sam who posted this on fb.. i couldnt resist posting it here eventho its 'old'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38EG97zlOg

[Night Fury]

I am SO excited though to see how the Dany and Tyrion thing plays out.

[Formalhaut]

I want Tyrion to achieve some victories. Since being arrested, he's been a drunk, aimlessly wandering until finally settling in Mereen.

I want the Tyrion of the first few seasons back, backhanding Joffrey and generally getting stuff done.

[Shaibana]

http://img.pathfinder.gr/CMAN/f/3309/I4277742/105008-One-word-and-I-hit-you-again-g-Om8j.gif

this makes me want to rewatch all the seasons again :3 maybe ill do that after the 6th season is done
http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/Tyrion_slaps_Joffrey.gif

[Psychotic]

credits to Sam who posted this on fb.. i couldnt resist posting it here eventho its 'old'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38EG97zlOgI once played this for about an hour, singing along and headbanging. You can ask EoFF's very own Faris this as she lived with me at the time and had to endure it.

[Rantz]

I don't care about anything else in that trailer WHO'S HURTING POD

j/k I care about everything in this trailer, I'm so excitedSomeone analysed the ear of the person who did it to find out who it is. I'm not even making this up.


http://i.imgur.com/osfVqI4.jpg
Hahahahahaha

[Night Fury]

He's taking him up on the roooooooof!

[Shaibana]

https://hisfamealone.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/745695.png

[Freya]

GRRM and Stephen King are having a panel thing in June. (https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/10209987-george-rr-martin-in-conversation-with-stephen-at-albuquerque-event?utm_medium=email&utm_source=author_blog_post_digest) That'd be an interesting one, I think.

[Jinx]

GRRM and Stephen King are having a panel thing in June. (https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/10209987-george-rr-martin-in-conversation-with-stephen-at-albuquerque-event?utm_medium=email&utm_source=author_blog_post_digest) That'd be an interesting one, I think.

unless GRRM is saying when WoW is being release, don't even care

FINISH IT OLD MAN

[Freya]

He's just interviewing King. I think it'd be a great panel thing to watch as writers. Cause King churns out books like crazy while GRRM doesn't. Maybe it'll rub off on him haha. I'm really debating on going to it to be honest. Dalton grew up in Albuquerque and has been wanting to go back to visit for a while.

[theundeadhero]

Wow was released 11 1/2 years ago, you can sub to it right now :p

Could someone post a list of which EOFF members are currently which GoT characters for me?

[Shaibana]

http://c0.thejournal.ie/media/2013/02/9-at-9-syria-credit-rating-croke-park-laya-healthcare-psni-eurovision-390x285.jpg

counting dowwwnnn

[Shaibana]

did the countdown hype-kill you all?

let me waste (almost) 3 minutes of your life with this vid of Tyrion singing about space pants (credits to Crystal)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmDkZLRgBs

annnddd
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/13055376_10154632087241840_4988995237061619587_n.jpg?oh=5ef1af80c268a78e89a3cf4982fc2d33&oe=57756107


p.s woehoo made a 1st official Sansa season 6 sig from the trailer :3
i love that Direwolf on her chest <3 GET M SANSA! :D

[Shaibana]

CALM DOWN PPL! CALM DOWN... I SAID CALM DOWN!!:salute:

3 more days:omgomg::omgomg::omgomg:

[Freya]

It's so close! I'm so hyped!

[Bri]

So freaking excited!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shaibana]

So freaking excited!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 more days ppl
2 more days i tell ya!
amagad 2 more days
​2.... more.... days!!!

[Psychotic]

so it's three more days?

[Bri]

So freaking excited!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 more days ppl
2 more days i tell ya!
amagad 2 more days
​2.... more.... days!!!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Kalevala]

Wait, how many more days is it?

[theundeadhero]

Is it still two days, or did it become one or three now? All these days changing seem randomly selected.

[Jinx]

Still on my rewatch. Season 4, now. I know she's playing him like a card, but Tommen and Margaery flirting is the cutest thing.

[Shaibana]

GOOD LAWD PPL JUST 1 MORE DAY
67950

I CANT HANDLE THE EXCITEMENT
6795167952


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE

[Rantz]

I am excited.

[Formalhaut]

GOOD LAWD PPL JUST 1 MORE DAY I CANT HANDLE THE EXCITEMENT
67951



http://www.newparadiselaboratories.org/uploads/response_images/1336364959housesadnod-gif.gif

[Bri]

Smurf it! I am going to have a smurfing cider!!!!!!!Smurfing ecstatic to the smurfing core!!!! Smurfing Game of thrones peeeepollllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!Smurf the smurf yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shaibana]

today is the day ppl!
this is not a drill!!
i repeat: THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!
67953

ill need to wait an extra day anyway.. because it'll air somwhere in the night for the europeans and i have to watch it on the internet :3
its the first thing ill do when i get home to avoid seeing spoilers on the internet

[Freya]

I'm super excited!

[Shaibana]

watch these GoT jokes while you count the hours/minutes down

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aOVnO76_700b.jpg

[Freya]

Go team brienne.

Davos will save Jon, go team edd.
Dany is gonna have her dragon fuck shit up.
Tyrion is gonna get shit in order.
Arya is going to become daredevil.
And melissandre is a centuries old woman (inside the episode said centuries old)

Emotional rollercoaster that episode was

[Del Murder]

Pretty good episode considering how many storylines they covered. It's the trickle of progression you come to expect from this show. Nice to see something good to happen to Sansa. I hope Arya gets Daredevil powers.

[Psychotic]

Melissandre: Still would.

Also "looks like she won't be sailing to Westeros any time soon". Thanks Tyrion. At least the writers were honest about it from the first episode.

[Loony BoB]

A very interesting opening episode. I liked it. I felt it did well to both set up and develop the plot efficiently.

I'm not really sure how the end part will impact anything other than "oh she's actually old". I mean, was there a wider impact to what she was doing? Was she suddenly doubting herself because of the fall of Stannis & Snow? Was it her giving up on her faith in some way? Was it her surrendering herself in some way, perhaps to give her life to save Snow? So much speculation on that end. I wonder if Davos & co will actually find her like that if/when they go to her for help.

Davos & Edd working together makes me really happy, because they are two of my favourite characters. If Bronn somehow got in on that action I'm not sure it'd get any better. I wonder if the three of them can bring back Jon and all join Dany & Tyrion somehow... oh, and Sansa & co. Man, it was nice to see all my fave characters surviving decently enough.

Now to watch them all die in the next episode. Sigh.

[Night Fury]

Not gonna lie proper audibly cheered when Brienne showed up.

Mel though.... has she been wearing a glamour this whole time?! (probably!) IS SHE THE STARK'S OLD NAN?! (You know the one who tells the spookytastic stories!)

Also, my copy had foreign subs during the Dothraki scene. This is what I gathered

I want to bang her
No I want to bang her
She is so stupid LOL

----

Hello I am the Khal of this horde, I want to see your tittaaaays

BUT NO, YOU MAY NOT! HAAAA I TRICKED YOU, I SPEAK DOTHRAKI THE WHOLE TIME!

Oh my god! But you lie!

No. I was married to Khal Drogo!

Huh, I knew him. He was hung like a horse. I cannot bang you. You are free

Now, go with the other widows of Dothraki for plot reasons, eyebrow woman!

[Pheesh]

I hope Arya gets Daredevil powers.

This is all I want from this season.

I'm making an early prediction that the girl beating up Arya is Syrio. Or Syrio was the girl, or they're all Jaqen. I dunno, the faceless men are smurfing confusing as trout.

[Night Fury]

I must admit though I was expecting Nymeria to burst out of the bushes and help Sansa!

[Freya]

Not gonna lie proper audibly cheered when Brienne showed up.

Mel though.... has she been wearing a glamour this whole time?! (probably!) IS SHE THE STARK'S OLD NAN?! (You know the one who tells the spookytastic stories!)

Also, my copy had foreign subs during the Dothraki scene. This is what I gathered

I want to bang her
No I want to bang her
She is so stupid LOL

----

Hello I am the Khal of this horde, I want to see your tittaaaays

BUT NO, YOU MAY NOT! HAAAA I TRICKED YOU, I SPEAK DOTHRAKI THE WHOLE TIME!

Oh my god! But you lie!

No. I was married to Khal Drogo!

Huh, I knew him. He was hung like a horse. I cannot bang you. You are free

Now, go with the other widows of Dothraki for plot reasons, eyebrow woman!

It kind of reminded me of its always sunny type banter actually.

"There's nothing better than seeing a naked pretty girl"
"Well looting is cool"
"Yeah and taking a city over is fun"
Main khal: "OKAY. Fine. A naked pretty girl is in the top 5 greatest things in life"

I was amused

[Psychotic]

The Gang Kidnaps A Khaleesi.

[Shaibana]

Also, my copy had foreign subs during the Dothraki scene. This is what I gathered

I want to bang her
No I want to bang her
She is so stupid LOL

----

Hello I am the Khal of this horde, I want to see your tittaaaays

BUT NO, YOU MAY NOT! HAAAA I TRICKED YOU, I SPEAK DOTHRAKI THE WHOLE TIME!

Oh my god! But you lie!

No. I was married to Khal Drogo!

Huh, I knew him. He was hung like a horse. I cannot bang you. You are free

Now, go with the other widows of Dothraki for plot reasons, eyebrow woman!

lol, that pretty much sums it up xD



"There's nothing better than seeing a naked pretty girl"
"Well looting is cool"
"Yeah and taking a city over is fun"
Main khal: "OKAY. Fine. A naked pretty girl is in the top 5 greatest things in life"

I was amused

ahaha yeah, that was funny xD
i absolutely looooved Brienne and Podrick saving Sansa <3


from the trailer i already wondered: how in the fcking hell are they suppose to find Dany's ring in the middle of that big landscape? im glad they didnt pull of a 'The Walking Dead' on that (for those who dont know: The Walking Dead likes to smurf with logic)


p.s my bf is ho-ri-ble with names and characters. he tried explaining a fault in a scene ''when sansa's bother stabbed that man'' ..... thats not her brother, thats Theon :3 i understand that there are alot of characters.. but some names you should just know..

[Shorty]

I've been wondering hard about Melisandre, and pretty unhappy that zero progress was made with Jon. We waited a full god damn season break and the only thing that happened to him is he was moved about twenty feet on set. I feel unsatisfied. Additionally, I wonder what the point was of showing us what an old bag Melisandre is. Isn't the rule that only death can pay for life? It made me wonder if she might sacrifice herself in order to bring Jon/R'llhor to life because she's a withered old maid or something. I cannot see a reason why they would show us that image of her after five seasons unless it was to discredit her powers as smoke and mirrors, which they clearly aren't because of the womb demon that she killed Renly with (and other instances, etc). I guess there's also a possibility that she could literally be anyone, though, including possibly someone of past importance because she clearly isn't who she says she is. I still think that showing us how old she is might mean that it's time for her to go.

I'm interested to see how Davos is going to turn out, though. I like that he's banding together with the good men of the Night's Watch.

Happy to see Margaery again. I wonder what they have in store for her. They seem to be going much easier on her than they did on Cersei. She still has all her hair and seems resistant. I hope she ends up okay.

I'm so done with the Dorne plotline. I don't care about about the Sand Snakes uprising. They're so smurfing dull. I'll admit that Tristane's murder was a surprise, but also incredibly stupid and unnecessary.

I guess I don't understand why Dany didn't protest in regard to being send to the widow's temple? Why is she adamant about not being raped and stands up for herself, giving all of her names and declaring who she is and what she isn't going to do, but when she is recognized and then told that they're going to send her to the widow's temple, she just flops over and isn't resistant at all? That makes no sense to me.

I'm glad Sansa and Theon are both in safe hands, finally. Looking forward to what Tyrion and Varys will be doing in Meereen. I think it's a bit odd that there was no Bran scene, but I never really had an interest in his storyline.

Does anyone else get the feeling that the blonde girl beating the smurf out of Arya with a staff is Syrio? I can't believe he's dead. We never saw him die, and when Arya was whining to the Hound about how Meryn Trant killed him, he said, "Any boy whore with a sword could beat three Meryn Trants." I honestly don't believe that he's dead. He was too good of a sword master and Braavosi on top of that. It's too much of a coincidence that Arya ended up in Bravos. I think he's still alive.

edit: forgot to mention that Jon might have used his warg powers to embody Ghost, but I feel like we would have seen more of Ghost if that were the case. Either way, it's not totally ruled out. The Stark warg powers have barely been used in the show and have only really been touched on by Bran. Now would be a good opportunity for Jon's to reveal themselves.

[Freya]

I think it was to show that she is losing her faith. In the after the episode inside the episode thing, D&D said she was centuries old. I mean think about it, she thought Stannis was the lord of light, and he died. She burned a kid for that. Then she thought she saw jon at winterfell but he's dead. In waaaay past, when she was talking to Selyse she had potions and said that she can look however she wanted to get what she wanted. I think the point of her not worrying about that and going back to her old age was her losing all faith of what she was told. not that the lord of light doesn't exist but that she was told wrong. If she's centuries old, that's a huge slap in the face for hundreds of years of faith.

The same thing happened to Thoros of Myr, or so he said, he lost his faith and welp, we know how that turned out :jess:

So I think this is important for her to hit a low spot before she brings Jon back *fingers crossed* or at least that's what I hope.

[Del Murder]

I must admit though I was expecting Nymeria to burst out of the bushes and help Sansa!
Me too. Nymeria better come back at some point to save Sansa or Arya. If the end of this series has Arya as a Daredevil-like vigilante with Nymeria at her side, well then I don't care what else happens to this world.

I hope Ghost is not the life that pays for Jon to be reborn. How did resurrection work when Thoros did it? I don't remember someone dying.

[Shorty]

I think it was to show that she is losing her faith. In the after the episode inside the episode thing, D&D said she was centuries old. I mean think about it, she thought Stannis was the lord of light, and he died. She burned a kid for that. Then she thought she saw jon at winterfell but he's dead. In waaaay past, when she was talking to Selyse she had potions and said that she can look however she wanted to get what she wanted. I think the point of her not worrying about that and going back to her old age was her losing all faith of what she was told. not that the lord of light doesn't exist but that she was told wrong. If she's centuries old, that's a huge slap in the face for hundreds of years of faith.

The same thing happened to Thoros of Myr, or so he said, he lost his faith and welp, we know how that turned out :jess:

So I think this is important for her to hit a low spot before she brings Jon back *fingers crossed* or at least that's what I hope.

Huh, the interpretation I got was that it was a nightly ritual for her before bedtime. I wouldn't want to sleep in that nasty steel trap choker.

[Shaibana]

i honestly dont think this will be the last of (sexy) Melisandre.
i guess we'll see if she lost faith or if its just a night ritual next week.

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aDoqybw_460s_v1.jpg

[Psychotic]

I just realised we've seen two of the great houses wiped out in as many episodes. Damn, the show ain't fucking around.

[Shorty]

Crazy specific theory detailing Melisandre's glamor from Season 2 with Selyse. (https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2a7go9/spoliers_acok_regarding_melisandres_ruby_necklace/cisasro)

[Night Fury]

Shorty Cersei had her hair cut off etc because she confessed. Margeary hasn't confessed which is why she's still in the tower

[Shorty]

Shorty Cersei had her hair cut off etc because she confessed. Margeary hasn't confessed which is why she's still in the tower

thanks babe

I didn't go back to watch season 5 because I found it too exhausting

[Freya]

I kind of want to go watch Hardholme again just cause it was awesome. Saw it in the "last time on.." preview haha and thought about rewatching.

[Psychotic]

http://m.imgur.com/gallery/qwc3E

Maisie Williams is the fucking greatest.

[Freya]

She really is! That's awesome that she did that. She seems so fun and friendly.

[Slothy]

I guess I don't understand why Dany didn't protest in regard to being send to the widow's temple? Why is she adamant about not being raped and stands up for herself, giving all of her names and declaring who she is and what she isn't going to do, but when she is recognized and then told that they're going to send her to the widow's temple, she just flops over and isn't resistant at all? That makes no sense to me.

I don't think she's just rolling over and taking it. We get literally a few seconds of her after she finds out that's what they expect. I think she's taken somewhat by surprise there and isn't quite sure what to do yet. That doesn't mean she's just going to take it. If there's one thing we know about her it's that she doesn't just take anything. But there's a difference between objecting immediately to being raped and pointing out she was married to Drogo to avoid it and figuring out what she's going to do about this. She clearly has more time to figure out her next move, and also probably realizes this is the sort of thing they won't take a no on no matter what she says in protest. There's slightly less urgency but she needs to be careful about what she does here. Right now she's got no army, no friends, and no dragons. She's got little actual leverage here and realizes it. Now is a time to tread a bit carefully.

[Jinx]

The blonde girl beating up Arya is the girl from the House of the Black and White who was blind last season. She's no longer blind. Doesn't mean she's not Syrio (I personally love the idea Jaqen is Syrio) and the whole "I'll see you tomorrow" thing rings of Syrio.

I also got the impression that Melisandre's taking off the necklace was a nightly ritual. Possibly she just wanted to see and live as her true self.

Prediction: SansaxPod

Not gonna lie: I got teary-eyed both during Brienne pledging herself to Sansa and when Cersei sees Myrcella's shroud. Also I laughed when Spearsnake stabbed Dandyprince through the head.

[Jinx]

I guess I don't understand why Dany didn't protest in regard to being send to the widow's temple? Why is she adamant about not being raped and stands up for herself, giving all of her names and declaring who she is and what she isn't going to do, but when she is recognized and then told that they're going to send her to the widow's temple, she just flops over and isn't resistant at all? That makes no sense to me.

I don't think she's just rolling over and taking it. We get literally a few seconds of her after she finds out that's what they expect. I think she's taken somewhat by surprise there and isn't quite sure what to do yet. That doesn't mean she's just going to take it. If there's one thing we know about her it's that she doesn't just take anything. But there's a difference between objecting immediately to being raped and pointing out she was married to Drogo to avoid it and figuring out what she's going to do about this. She clearly has more time to figure out her next move, and also probably realizes this is the sort of thing they won't take a no on no matter what she says in protest. There's slightly less urgency but she needs to be careful about what she does here. Right now she's got no army, no friends, and no dragons. She's got little actual leverage here and realizes it. Now is a time to tread a bit carefully.

Also remember what happened last time she went against all of the traditions of the khalassar.

[The Captain]

I also think that Mel stripped away all of her illusions and glamor because she was in a moment of crisis and needed to remind herself what was actually "Real". Her visions have proven false lately and in this moment she allows herself to be at her most vulnerable. Perhaps it is her nightly ritual as well when she is alone but this struck me as something more. I think it speaks to how some sort of magic or miracle will bring back Jon, thus re-invigorating her faith in the Lord of Light again but we shall see.

Davos' mutton line was a much needed tension breaker, though I do wonder why are the Night Watch being so polite to him? Stannis isn't there and they've clearly shown they have no problem dealing out violence, so why this sort of formal stand-off? I figured they'd have kicked in the door to burn Jon's body already. Though, why they left it out there in the first place speaks to either A) They were making a point and don't care that he could very quickly come back via the White Walkers or B) They still don't fully believe in that sort of magic. Either way, a very rude awakening is coming quickly for them.

Anytime Varys and Tyrion can be paired together bodes well for entertainment, though I admit to being tired of the politics of trying to conquer a people who don't want a real government. It's clear that no matter who is in charge, there are beliefs and long held grudges that no manner of strength of intellect can easily undo. I think ultimately both of them will realize they're on a fool's errand trying to maintain order there and get out quickly.

Though, the ships being burnt gave a might compelling reason to re-introduce the Greyjoys in the coming weeks, which I think have already been teased.


Also, so glad we finally saw some of the "good" guys win, with Pod and Brienne riding to the rescue. Since this is GoT, it means some new darkness is right around the corner, but for this week at least, a feeling of hope can actually linger. Also, I would be overjoyed if somehow Arya and Syrio were re-united. That would make my day. I remain skeptical but again, hope springs eternal.


I'd imagine the next few weeks will deal more with Sam's journey south and we'll finally be brought back to Bran, who may or may not have a large part to play in Jon Snow's ultimate fate.

Take care all.

[Kalevala]

Huh, the interpretation I got was that it was a nightly ritual for her before bedtime. I wouldn't want to sleep in that nasty steel trap choker.

I can't remember if it was show or book dialogue, but at one point she does mention that she doesn't sleep. Which would make this scene even more symbolic.

[Pheesh]

Having thought about Dorne some more (which was a struggle), I'm not really sure where they will go. I mean, with Doran and son's death and with no other named relatives, House Martell is extinct. Ellaria was just a lover of Oberyn and the rest were bastards, so there's not a Martell left.

I haven't read the books (apparently they've completely ignored the books), but from general reaction, they really have screwed up the Dorne plot. It was terrible in Season 5, and I'm not sure they can salvage it this season.

I assume they're all going to have their heads split open by Frankenmountain, and that'll be the end of it.

[Psychotic]

I'm trying to give Dorne the benefit of the doubt and see where it goes this season before laying into it, but I don't know how long that restraint will last.

What I will say is that "greedy bitch" is up there with "bad pussy" as one of the worst lines ever written for GoT.

[Rantz]

Though, the ships being burnt gave a might compelling reason to re-introduce the Greyjoys in the coming weeks, which I think have already been teased.
Ooh, didn't consider this. That's definitely an exciting prospect!

Anyone heard the E=D theory? Put any stock into it? I think it sounds pretty likely tbh. Obviously, spoilers if correct but it's just speculation: E=D (https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/253zbx/)

[Loony BoB]

Loving some of the stuff I was going through last night on imgur, can't find them at the moment but there was one excellent point brought up: "I've seen what these dogs can do", Theon says. Yeah: Disappear as soon as a battle starts. Seriously, what happened to the dogs? xD

[Night Fury]

WHERE THE FUCK IS BENJEN?

[Loony BoB]

Benjen has been secured for a dramatic return in season 17.

[Jinx]

WHERE THE smurf IS BENJEN?

dead, probably

[Iceglow]

Guys, book spoilers and show spoilers ahead. If you've not watched the latest episode of Game Of Thrones then why not, if you've watched it and aren't up on the books but don't want book information... skip my post.



So in the books the ressurective power of Thoros of Myr is explained that it takes away from him little by little until it is impossible for him to bring someone back. If I recall correctly... (sorry re-reading the books but not up to this again yet) When Beric Dondarrion insists he brings Cat Stark back as Lady Stoneheart, Thoros refused. He said she was too far gone and it would be against nature or something very similar. Beric Dondarrion gave no trouts about his own survival and so gives up his life in order to bring Cat back.

Now, that strikes me as something that is important in Melisandre in the show.

We know, that Melisandre is said to be centuries old. As such, she must have used a great deal of power staying alive so long. The fact that she has also cast a Glamour for much of this if not all of this duration to ensure that she is young and beautiful instead of old and hag like is also telling that she has great power. In the book, she doesn't just cast a glamour spell on herself, she known to have cast one on Rattleshirt making him look like Mance Rayner so that he can be "given to the flames" in stead of Mance Rayder. Something the TV production so far as we know chose to avoid going with.

Melisandre thought Stannis was Azor Ahai and saw him fight and win at Winterfell against the Boltons. However, Stannis failed and Brienne in the show at least kills him. She said in the episode to Ser Davos that she saw Jon in the flames too at Winterfell. I think that Melisandre doesn't so much as see a specific person as Azor Ahai but rather the being of Azor Ahai himself in the flames. I don't think she can tell whom will become Azor Ahai, at least not fully. Now, it's very clear from how she ended up back at Castle Black when Stannis rode for Winterfell that she began to doubt Stannis was really Azor Ahai and she had come to think (perhaps rightly so) that it is actually Jon who is Azor Ahai.

The death of 2 men whom she believed could be Azor Ahai and face the great other in the coming night and war shakes her faith a lot. She knows she is old and whilst yes, she is capable of great feats, I do not believe that she has the power left to ressurect the dead. At least, not at great personal cost to herself, likely all her remaining life force or enough that she will no longer be able to maintain her vanity glamour. I think the scene at the end is her weighing her options:

1) Let Jon Snow remain dead. The light loses the war against the great other and winter never ends.

2) Whatever the cost, revive Jon Snow, let him live in the hope that he is Azor Ahai and can save the world.

I think that the removal of her glamours before she retires to bed, the way she judges her own appearance and seemingly accepts it means she has made her choice and will likely revive Jon so that he can save Westeros regardless of if it strips her of her powers in the process.

If she does save Jon then it has some interesting considerations for Jon Snow as a character.

In the book Jon learns that his sister Arya is being married to Ramsay Bolton so that the Boltons may claim Winterfell. Unaware that the bride is actually Jeyne Poole, Jon sends Mance to rescue her while Stannis marches on Winterfell. Jon later receives a letter from Ramsay claiming that Stannis has been defeated and Mance is a prisoner. Ramsay demands hostages, else he will march on the Wall and kill Jon. Jon decides to seek out and kill Ramsay himself, but he is stabbed by his Night's Watch brothers seeking to uphold the Watch's political neutrality before he can leave Castle Black. In the show obviously this whole lead up doesn't happen however, he's led out by Olly at the promise of news of Uncle Benjen but stabbed for quite a bit of the same stuff, chiefly, he let the wildlings through.

Now, Jon swore an oath that binds him to the wall and the watch until death. Only in death does his watch end. Well he's been killed, and that means his watch is done. If he is brought back by Melisandre, then he's technically free of his oath. He's also in a good position to become the leader of a Wildling army. Which is perhaps a little ironic as Mance Rayder was once a member of the Nights Watch and it's often mentioned how alike he and Jon are at times but Jon swears repeatedly he would never become Mance. This army would then be in a good position to rally banners in the north and take Winterfell back.

Alternatively, Jon could view his ressurection as a continuance of his life and so feel that he cannot abandon his post at the watch. Which would leave one hell of a show down to be had with Alister Thorne.

I'm not going to lie however, as much as I am really enjoying the show, it simply doesn't compare to the books. Mainly because, the writing of the show is in parts and certain storylines (Jaime & Cersei in particular) is pretty smurfing awful in it's choice of direction.

[Jinx]

Osmurf's sake, Steve. Take the two seconds and use spoiler tags for book trout.

[Shauna]

:aimkiss:

[Iceglow]

Osmurf's sake, Steve. Take the two seconds and use spoiler tags for book trout.

I openly stated there's book stuff ahead and to not read it if you don't want book stuff... oh well whatever.

[Kalevala]

Anyone heard the E=D theory? Put any stock into it? I think it sounds pretty likely tbh. Obviously, spoilers if correct but it's just speculation: E=D (https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/253zbx/)

While this theory is probably one of the more sensible of the Reddit tinfoil, I highly doubt this is the case. Going to put the rest of it in spoiler tags JUST IN CASE.

Euron and Daario look nothing alike based on their book descriptions, and now that Euron has been cast in the show I find this even more unlikely. The only way to explain this now would be if E/D is a Faceless Man or some trout and that would be so over the top and disappointing. This is a common issue, wherein Martin will set up two characters as a mirror-image or foil of each other and ASoIaF fans, in trying to drum-up their own excitement between books, go ballistic and THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON/EACH OTHER'S MOM AND/OR DAD AND ALSO A MERMAN.

[Rantz]

Anyone heard the E=D theory? Put any stock into it? I think it sounds pretty likely tbh. Obviously, spoilers if correct but it's just speculation: E=D (https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/253zbx/)

While this theory is probably one of the more sensible of the Reddit tinfoil, I highly doubt this is the case. Going to put the rest of it in spoiler tags JUST IN CASE.

Euron and Daario look nothing alike based on their book descriptions, and now that Euron has been cast in the show I find this even more unlikely. The only way to explain this now would be if E/D is a Faceless Man or some trout and that would be so over the top and disappointing. This is a common issue, wherein Martin will set up two characters as a mirror-image or foil of each other and ASoIaF fans, in trying to drum-up their own excitement between books, go ballistic and THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON/EACH OTHER'S MOM AND/OR DAD AND ALSO A MERMAN.
Ah, didn't know they'd cast the dude. That's pretty much out the window then :( Would've been a pretty excellent twist!

[theundeadhero]

How interesting it would it if Mance turns out to be Azor Ahai. In the books, he could still win the battle at Winterfell and lead the troops against the darkness. In the show, he could still be sent to retake Winterfell at some future time and then continue on the fight the dark army. It's not likely, but it is a possibility.

[escobert]

How interesting it would it if Mance turns out to be Azor Ahai. In the books, he could still win the battle at Winterfell and lead the troops against the darkness. In the show, he could still be sent to retake Winterfell at some future time and then continue on the fight the dark army. It's not likely, but it is a possibility.

I like that theory.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aE7bR7K_700b.jpg
i personaly agree the most with the Arianne Martell part. i loved her story in the books :3 (im not fully caught up with the books, im at a third of A Dance With Dragons now)
and ofcourse the Sand Snakes. they are so diverse and interesting in the book but in the show they just really suck..


http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aGxqEE0_460s.jpg

[Formalhaut]

What I don't get with the current Dorne storyline is the actions of Ellaria Sand. So your paramour and lover is killed. What to do next? Oh, I know, kill his beloved brother and nephew!

How does that make sense?

[Psychotic]

Especially when she is saying that Oberyn was murdered when no he really wasn't.

[Shaibana]

Especially when she is saying that Oberyn was murdered when no he really wasn't.

indeed, he volunteered to be Tyrions champion, and then he screwed it up.
it all went according to the 'rules' :3

it wasnt just about Oberyn tho.
it was also about the death of Elia Martell and the fact that Doran did nothing to avenge Elia and her children.
So for years they felt like justice was cheated from them.
She thinks Doran is weak, and she wants someone strong in controle.

[Formalhaut]

Especially when she is saying that Oberyn was murdered when no he really wasn't.

indeed, he volunteered to be Tyrions champion, and then he screwed it up.
it all went according to the 'rules' :3

it wasnt just about Oberyn tho.
it was also about the death of Elia Martell and the fact that Doran did nothing to avenge Elia and her children.
So for years they felt like justice was cheated from them.
She thinks Doran is weak, and she wants someone strong in controle.

It wasn't just about Oberyn, but at the end of the day you're still killing his beloved brother.

I mean, I could even get killing Doran if you're so blinded by a desire to do something, but Trystane? You could just imprison him.

I'm actually looking forward for this little plot of theirs to come crashing down. Those Sand Snakes are so bad. Might as well kill them.

[Del Murder]

I don't think we are meant to apply logic and reason to the Sands' actions. They appear to be driven by emotion and bloodlust and don't care for long-term consequences of their actions.

[Night Fury]

They're going to get thoroughly fucked up by FrankenMoutain.

[Formalhaut]

I don't think we are meant to apply logic and reason to the Sands' actions. They appear to be driven by emotion and bloodlust and don't care for long-term consequences of their actions.

I can sort of see a pack mentality thing going on. I mean, it'll ruin them, but I can see it.

[Pheesh]

Especially when she is saying that Oberyn was murdered when no he really wasn't.

She said he was "butchered" in the scene when she kills Doran, not murdered. I think butchered is putting it lightly as well :/

Honestly, I'm not too fussed by the whole Dorne thing at this stage. They have a lot to make up for from last season as it felt like it was just an excuse to put in some boobs, coupled with terrible, terrible fight choreography (I mean, Oberyn was so insanely awesome to watch when he fought, and then that was how they followed it up with his daughters/countrymen?). But it will be interesting to see a power hungry woman who's making enemies left and right try and keep her land under control. All the while some giant, grey, gross looking mother-smurfer is literally walking along the bottom of the ocean floor towards her with instructions to pop her head like a water-balloon.

[escobert]

Something everyone seems to be missing from this Dorne thing is Areo Hotah was killed. He's supposed to be like the ultimate bad-ass and one of the greatest warriors in the world.

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, I didn't like how simple it was for him to be murdered.

[Mr. Carnelian]

A stabbing in the back would tend to be fatal regardless of how badass you are. :p

[Night Fury]

She's trying to be the Cersei of Dorne, but there can be only one and that is I.. er, I mean Cersei Lannister.

But seriously, she freaking has NO IDEA of how much Cersei is going to boot off. And by boot off I mean murderous rampage through Dorne where she will reign supreme.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aX9zn2D_460s.jpg

[Formalhaut]

While I think Areo died too quickly, a blade inserted juust right could kill fatally very quickly. But still, I wanted there to be a bit of a struggle.

[escobert]

It's just too I dunno Game of Thrones-ish that one of the mightiest warriors get taken down with a knife in the back. I would have loved to see Jaime get better with his other hand and the two of them go at it at some point. Or see if Bronn could match Areo's strength with his speed and cunning.

[Del Murder]

Where were we ever told that this guy was one of the mightiest warriors? I didn't know he even had a name.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Where were we ever told that this guy was one of the mightiest warriors? I didn't know he even had a name.

Books, probably.

[Psychotic]

Yeah, the show portrayal is different. I think there's the implication that he's a badass with how he broke up the Jaime/Bronn tag team match against the Sneks, but they certainly didn't give him any development and there wasn't really much point to adding him to the show at all.

[Pheesh]

Where were we ever told that this guy was one of the mightiest warriors? I didn't know he even had a name.

Books, probably.

Let it go, book people. Your boat capsized and we picked you up on the way past, we're all stuck out at sea together now.

[Bubba]

So I decided to do a workout tonight in a ridiculously cold garage and was wearing completely inappropriate underwear that were far too tight.

Caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror before getting into the shower and thought I was one of the Unsullied.

It was good. Now tell me whether Jon is dead or not, you fuckers. I'm sticking with this show until Jon's body is burned/dismembered.

[Del Murder]

The show already has too many characters, so it makes sense not to develop this Dorne warrior guy since Dorne has mostly been an afterthought in the first place.

[Freya]

I'm interested to see what they do with the plot there. They've changed it, but what tooooo.

I actually enjoyed their Sansa changes. I mean the Ramsey thing sucked for her chracter and wow x.x, but I think her arch has had more of an impact and had me actually cheering at the screen when Brienne came in. So while I like the books, I understand the changes and am interested to see what they do with the dorne plotline.

[Iceglow]

How interesting it would it if Mance turns out to be Azor Ahai. In the books, he could still win the battle at Winterfell and lead the troops against the darkness. In the show, he could still be sent to retake Winterfell at some future time and then continue on the fight the dark army. It's not likely, but it is a possibility.

It would be interesting but I do doubt it. In the show Mance is dead as is Rattleshirt whom he was switched out with during the books battle for the wall. Rattleshirt had his head kicked in by Tormund Giantsbane at Hardholme and Mance burnt at Castle Black before Jon finished it with an arrow to the heart. Though in the books this is still a possibility, though a very slim one. Let's face it, even in the book it's all but revealed Jon is Azor Ahai.

In response to Areo Hotah's death. Yeah it was implicated that he was a bad ass who even the Sand Snakes and Ellaria feared (rightfully so). In my opinion, it was very fool hardy and out of character for him to ever turn his back on someone so dangerous as one of Oberyn's snakes. Literally in the books he would never have done something so foolish. Dorne in the books is a hugely nuanced introduction and will very clearly have a lot of very important actions concerning characters entirely written out of the show. As such, yes Dorne feels like an after thought and the result of that is it simply isn't important enough in the grand scheme of how the show is looking to tell the story. Unless to give them more content for Season 7, they plan on introducing some characters from the books as a surprise later this season the story arc is only necessary for one point and that is just it's introduction of Oberyn and his death at the hands of the Mountain. Since introducing characters from the books who are supposed to be in the company of Tyrion Lannister is unlikely as he is now with Danerys and would make it difficult to see how these new characters tie in to the story without him. It's almost certain that this story arc is redundant.

[theundeadhero]

Let it go, book people. Your boat capsized and we picked you up on the way past, we're all stuck out at sea together now. I'll be sure not to mark my Arya and Sam spoilers in my next post then, since we know what happens to them :p

[Kalevala]

I really hope they don't drop the ball with the Greyjoy plotline like they have with Dorne.

[Psychotic]

I think with the Greyjoys they're going to merge Victarion's role into Yara. And randomly make her into a lesbian.

[theundeadhero]

And instead of an eye patch she's just going to wear a bra with only one cup to represent her merging with Euron as well.

[Rantz]

I doubt Areo Hotah is meant to get much significant development in the books either. He's a POV character, sure, but I think it's just an attempt to switch up the perspective so we're not constantly getting the story from the eyes of highborns and knights.

[Bubba]

Finally decided on my Game of Thrones set!

I'm Jamie Lannister's hand.

[The Captain]

In re-watching the trailer for the season, one event at the end caught my eye and led me to think that they might certainly be merging Dorne plotlines to very interesting conclusions:

In the books, Quentyn Martell travels to Meereen to try and marry Dany only to meet an unfortunate end at the fire of her still chained up Dragons. Obviously, his character was not introduced at all on the show and from the looks of the trailer, Tyrion ends up going to find or check on the dragons who seem to breathe fire on somebody. Perhaps, they enflame Tyrion and instead of dying, he lives through it proving that he might in fact be a secret Targaryen?

Just a thought.

Take care all.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/am9y47V_700b.jpg

[theundeadhero]

Hodor.
What'chu talkin'bout, Willis.

[Freya]

Snowbowl confirmed! Battle of the bastards! Ramsey is horrible but damnit Jon, go kill him! Go kill him so hard!

Also tyrion, go ride one of those dragons

[Psychotic]

I know we'll all be very excited about you know what, but there's even bigger news from this episode. Did you all see Eyes on's very own Steve?! Bragging about how Cersei totally wanted him and he would've so sent her a raven but then she was caught up in a religious repentance ritual? And then zombie Mountain had to smash his poor little head in :(

Also I am disappointed with what happened at Pyke. A chance to say "Euron the wrong bridge, brother!" was missed. :colbert:

And now I have to think of a new thread title THANKS A LOT MELISSANDRE :doublecolbert:

[Loony BoB]

Good episode. Looking forward to the next one even more! Also, regarding the dragons - are they free now, or still holed up, just without the chains? I got a bit confused at that. They just went back into the darkness. I imagine there is another 'exit' they can use? Dunno.

[Pheesh]

How were the dogs barking while chewing and ripping people to shreds? The sound effect guy really dropped the ball on that one.

The Jon thing was predictable but still well done, if only a tad bit drawn out. I'm still more invested in Arya's storyline though.

[Shaibana]

ooooohhh my fcking god, ramsay! ow ffs!
i came here in the middle of watching the show just get this out.
jfc, i was genuinly suprised when he stabbed his father.
i figured he would do something to the baby.. but .. woah!!

ffs Ramsay!

for a sec i thought they would leave us hanging with a dead Jon just to tease us :P

'Euron the wrong bridge, brother'... omg Psychotic xD

edit: Kit Harington has something to say xD

http://www.veronicamagazine.nl/index.php?option=com_idm&view=premiumarticle&collectable_id=nl.v-m.editorial.video-article:entertainment:12449
(theres a vid in it)


this episode... was right in the feels
68023

[theundeadhero]

Am I the only one excited to learn that Hodor could talk, and to learn his name? What happened to him? Was he cursed, or did he maybe take a vow to not talk? He looked really really excited when Bran was asking him about it. What secret will he reveal to us when he can talk again? John's origin?

[Freya]

I think something happened to him, some hit on the head or something.

So what I want to happen:

Jon comes back, takes up his rightful place as a stark Targaryen, come on tower of joy, confirm that and then Ramsey comes to take sansa at the wall. And so there's a battle, The battle of the "Bastards". And mid fight BOOOOOMMMMMMM The wall comes crumbling down and the White walkers start making their way through. And then Zombies eat Ramsey.

[Del Murder]

Ramsey is officially the worst dude in Westeros, if he wasn't already. I hope Jon kicks his ass.

Not a good time to be a high lord. 3 killed in just two episodes! I think no longer being chained to the books has allowed the writers to move things along and I like this pacing. For example, a book version of Arya's storyline may have had 2-3 more training montage scenes or perhaps she had some misadventure or two as a street urchin to 'world develop' the seedy underbelly of Bravos, but I'm glad she's done with that already.

Jon's revival was a little odd. It seemed kind out of place that Davos, someone who (a) has just met Jon, (b) doesn't trust Melisandre, (c) is not superstitious (and therefore wouldn't believe Jon is some kind of chosen one), and (d) has seen some of the terrible stuff magic can do would go out of his way to ask the witch to revive this kid. It would have been nice if he gave a compelling reason for it other than 'I've seen you do magics, want to give resurrection a go? We've got nothing better to do here.' It's also strange that it is just that easy for a red priest to revive someone when almost every other magic in this world has a terrible cost to it. But whatever, it got us in two episodes (the over/under was 2.5) to the outcome we all wanted: Jon alive and ready to kick Bolton ass.

Also, it seems pretty clear that Bran's flashbacks are going to be the plot device to discover Jon's origins. I hope he is used for more than just that. It would be cool to see a Stark (Sansa/Bran/Jon) reunion this season.

[Freya]

I don't think all her words and washing or anything was what revived him. I think that small pleading "please" was what did it. "Please work, everything I have believed in is lost, please work :( :(" Kinda thing.

Same thing happened with thoros of myr. He said he was just going through the motions, not cause he was a priest but because Berric was his friend and BAM Berric was back.

[Del Murder]

I can't remember the Thoros scene very well but maybe you're right. But Mel and Davos aren't Jon's friends so I don't think it was them who saved him. It had to be Ghost!

[Freya]

Found an image of what I was talking about. (https://i.imgur.com/BXQVaSd.jpg)

[McLovin']

Guys what if
What if
Jon Snow can only say Jon Snow now.

And that's what happened to Hodor.

[Night Fury]

Tyrion is a Targaryen.

Ramsey is going to get beat to shit when he gets to Castle Black and faces off with Tormund and Jon.

WHERE IS NYMERIA?

Awwwww at Sansa asking about Arya.

WILLIS?!


GAAAAAAAH THIS EPISODE GUYS.



JON SNOOOOOOOOW!!!!!

[The Captain]

So.... they kind of left it open that MAYBE Ghost had a hand in Jon's revival but I think it was more to do with Mel having a crisis of faith and THAT's what caused the miracle. We'll know more when we see what Jon is like post-rebirth. If he's "whole" or has gaps in his memory or is kind of a re-animated shell of himself. If they're going the whole Prince that was Promised route, he'd be more or less himself I would think.

Still, YES, I cannot wait to see him finally fight back against Ramsey.

Davos being the catalyst was an odd choice indeed. As much as I love him, having him plead with Mel to work MORE magic seemed really out of character. Even if he respects Jon for, I don't know, being a good guy? Without Stannis to kneel to, maybe he just picked Jon as his new lord to follow?


My assumption about Tyrion was not on the mark, though maybe the deeper meaning is right and the Dragons didn't just eat him because they did sense a kindred bloodline after all.


As for Bran, I wonder too if he's just being used to tie up loose flashback storylines or if, like with what I'm assuming will happen with Sam going to Oldtown, his knowledge on magic and the White Walkers will become more and more important to the endgame.


What would be kind of funny/trolling is if Jon Snow still ends up getting killed somewhere down the line.

These first two episodes really felt like chessboard clearing moves and hopefully now we'll see real plot momentum. Killing off various characters who no longer serve the right purpose and bringing back (In many forms) others to continue the end game of the story as we move further in to this season.

Take care all.

[Aulayna]

I'm definitely interested to see how the Jon Snow story plays out now. Very few stories pull off resurrection without it being incredibly groan-worthy (relying on amnesia/possession type tropes that ultimately get resolved by love or sacrifice or finally remembering everything in their dieing breath...) and GoT generally aims for the highest bar, so it's definitely going to be interesting.

To be honest I'd be more than happy with Ramsey and Snow killing each other at Castle Black, then while the watch/wild-lings are too busy focusing on that, the White Walkers complete blindside them. Then they can just march their merry way down to King's Landing, destroying everything in their way and face off against the High Sparrow and his goons. Though knowing how dragged out that arc is, we'll probably see some real White Walker action again sometime around Season 9.

[Del Murder]

The White Walkers seem like they are the endgame big bad and won't be addressed until the major conflicts within the North/South/Easteros are resolved. The conflicts are so layered in this show:

[[[[Starks vs. Boltons] vs. Greyjoys] vs. [Lannisters vs. Martells]] vs. Targaryns] vs. White Walkers]

And even within the families themselves you have conflicts.

[Rantz]

For a second there I actually thought Roose was the one stabbing Ramsay. Should've known!

Excited to see what post-res Jon is gonna be like. I also thought Davos' behaviour was out of character this episode, though.

[Psychotic]

I don't know, I liked the old Davos-Melissandre faith switcharoo. Davos has seen enough to reassess his beliefs and know that it's not actually all just bulltrout, which is good it's showing he's growing as a character instead of steadfastly keeping his fingers in his ears and saying he can't hear anything. And there's a pretty big faith gap in his life now that his own god is dead.

[Night Fury]

I think Davos knows Jon is special, or just too damn valuable to be lost.

[Aulayna]

The White Walkers seem like they are the endgame big bad and won't be addressed until the major conflicts within the North/South/Easteros are resolved. The conflicts are so layered in this show:

[[[[Starks vs. Boltons] vs. Greyjoys] vs. [Lannisters vs. Martells]] vs. Targaryns] vs. White Walkers]

And even within the families themselves you have conflicts.

Unless they all shank each other first :D

[Freya]

Yeah don't underestimate the Freys again! Last time that happened, ya know, red wedding. And now Ramsey just killed off a Frey.

[Fox]

"Is there any way to bring people back from the dead?"
"I can't do it"
"Have you tried?"
"OK I'll do it".

Shame you didn't think of this before you burnt Stannis.

[Night Fury]

Also everyone keep an eye on Davos and keep him safe as I'm fairly sure he will die - possibly as a result of saving Jon.

[Jinx]

Also everyone keep an eye on Davos and keep him safe as I'm fairly sure he will die - possibly as a result of saving Jon.

DON'T YOU EVEN SAY THAT

[Iceglow]

Davos Seaworth is a man of keen observation. During the time he has known Melisandre, he has seen things he cannot explain by any other mean than Magic and the Miracles it allows are real. He does not believe in Gods that devoutly, because in his pragmatism he recognizes that the Gods, will only help those who help themselves. He does not believe in Rh'llor but he believes having seen it with his own eyes that Melisandre has power.

Davos has also gotten to know Jon, since arriving at Castle Black. However briefly this was, he has gotten to know that Jon even though young is a man much like himself and in part, Stannis. He is a man whom means good, who seriously takes his vow to protect the realm as just that. He also knows that Jon unlike Stannis retained his honour and principles. Refusing the option of walking away from his watch to become warden of the north, to be legitimised by King Stannis as "Lord Jon Stark" because he swore an oath is important. Jon also depicted his sense of honour by not allowing Mance to suffer in the flames. In effect doing what even Davos dared not to do, realising he was outside of Stannis' power and not really caring if Stannis would be angry Jon shot Mance.

It makes sense to me that Davos would react to this man with a great deal of respect. Jon is the man whom he wished his son had become. However, his son died on the Blackwater. Jon is the man whom, Davos wished Stannis would be. Honourable, Strong, Kind, Compassionate and yet hard enough to do what must be done (Janos Slynt for example). Him asking Melisandre to ressurect Jon is as he said not a case of religion or faith. As Davos bluntly put it "Fuck them". He couldn't save his lord Stannis and now, Jon too a man whom he immediately liked and respected is dead, a man whom he would follow is dead. If he can't save one, then he must try anything to save the other.

As for Tyrion's development, it does look likely they're going with him being a bastard of Aerys Targaryen I must say. Though it could simply be that based on the Dragons behaviour, and his own deference to them, they may have understood his intentions.

All in all, good episode.

And Paul, gtfo :P

[Formalhaut]

Also everyone keep an eye on Davos and keep him safe as I'm fairly sure he will die - possibly as a result of saving Jon.

DON'T YOU EVEN SAY THAT

:onoes:

Oh hell no is my signature set character going to die this season.

[Kalevala]

I HAVE WAITED YEARS FOR THAT DEBUT.

[Shaibana]

i really dont believe that Tyrion will be somehow tied to the Targaryans.

in the conversation they had on the piramid it was told that dragons are smart animals. they know when someone aproaches them with good or bad intentions. Misandei comfirmed that the dragons never harmed her in any way.

if Tyrion is a targaryan then call me Sally. the dragons simply knew that Tyrion meant them no harm.

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a57gjBr_700b_v1.jpg/

[escobert]

there are three Dragon's, there will be three Targaryans :p Jon, Tyrion and Danny :p

[Bubba]

How will Tyrion be a Targaryan?

Jon definitely is, no way Ned Stark is his father.

[Freya]

Aerys was obsessed with Tyrion's mom. Kinda like how Rhaegar was obsessed with Lyanna Stark.

"Steal your Girl" Targaryens

[Iceglow]

Gosh Freya, learn to mark your book spoilers :P

But yes, in the books it is revealed that Aerys is strongly rumoured to have had an affair with Joanna Lannister and it is plausible though unlikely that he could be the father of Tyrion Lannister.

[Del Murder]

I think the dragons liked him because he was nice to them and showed them respect. Like he said, dragons are smart.

[Loony BoB]

Yeah. Unless you're now suggesting that every single person that the dragons go near and do not kill are somehow going to be considered Targaryan, I don't see the Tyrion Targaryan thing at all. Not to mention it would crap all over the emotionally invested hatred Tyrion and Tywin had towards each other. That hatred is better when it's real.

Regarding Davos, his options were...

1) Side with the people he sees as good and honest, even if they are few and facing likely death.
2) Side with the people who just murdered their lord commander who you saw as a good, honest person.
3) Run away.

...no brainer, really, for a guy like Davos. He was only ever going to do anything he could for the good guys to win. As for how easy it was to sway Melisandre, she is having such a mid life crisis at the moment over everything that has gone down, I think she was desperate to convince herself that the gods have not abandoned her. She was scared, too. In the situation they were in, it wasn't great either... I mean, if she didn't do what she could, they were likely going to die regardless.

[Psychotic]

Gosh Freya, learn to mark your book spoilers :P

But yes, in the books it is revealed that Aerys is strongly rumoured to have had an affair with Joanna Lannister and it is plausible though unlikely that he could be the father of Tyrion Lannister.That's an exaggeration. This is all it says:

Prince Aerys . . . as a youth, he was taken with a certain lady of Casterly Rock, a cousin of Tywin Lannister. When she and Tywin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words, or the . . . the liberties your father took during the bedding.

No affair, just a creepy gropey mad king.

Also jeez - Tywin and Joanna were cousins so their kids are all inbred... and then said kids decided to escalate the inbreeding to a 10. No wonder Joffrey turned out so fucked up.

[Mercer]

I wonder if Jon will take revenge against the men who killed him the first time.

[Jinx]

Joanna and Tywin are said to have loved each other very much (or at least he loved her). So if Tyrion is a Targ (and he is), she was probably raped. Which, BoB, would make the hatred that much more real for Tywin. Especially because he could never know truly if Tyrion was his son. Then to top it off, he killed the love of his life when he was born. And he was a dwarf, which made him the mockery of Westeros. So I don't think it'd cheapen the hate, just make it something different.

EDIT: That said, if Tywin ever thought/found out that Aerys raped Joanna, I'd imagine Aerys would've ended up with a sword in the back long before Jaime ever thought to do it.

[Bri]

Tyrion said dragons are smart, but he just ain't quick witted enough to know that he is a Targaryan :p

[FFNut]

Honestly with Jon being resurrected. They are obviously setting up a showdown between Jon and the wilding army versus Ramsey. Ohh would the fan boys go mental if Ramsey won that battle killing Jon Snow again.

[Fox]

Honestly with Jon being resurrected. They are obviously setting up a showdown between Jon and the wilding army versus Ramsey. Ohh would the fan boys go mental if Ramsey won that battle killing Jon Snow again.

Which he will because this is Game of Thrones - where every character you love will die. Sometimes multiple times.

[Bubba]

If Tyrion is a Targaryan, Jon is a snow and Targaryan, Gendry is a Baratheon and a Targaryan and Theon is a stark and a Greyjoy.... am I still me?

[Slothy]

Yes, you are still a severed hand. Can't promise any more than that.

[blackmage_nuke]

That brief pause from Ramsey made that twist really obvious.

[Loony BoB]

I'm interested to see how the masses react to Lord Bolton being "poisoned by his enemies" while his wife and baby, quite clearly shown visibly in the middle of day amongst the soldiers, and then clearly screaming wildly as she is eaten alive. I mean, if Stannis burns his kid alive, most of his soldiers just abandon him. How the hell can Ramsey get away with what he's doing if that's the case? I mean, otherwise his army is pretty ballin' in size compared the few wildlings left at the wall. I know it's a castle but geez. Going on from that, Jon Snow - Lord Commander still, or dead and revived = can leave his post? What does he do? If he does leave his post, or kills the Bolton crew, does that mean he can't give orders to the Night's Watch? I mean, he can't have it both ways, can he?

[Mr. Carnelian]

Going on from that, Jon Snow - Lord Commander still, or dead and revived = can leave his post? What does he do? If he does leave his post, or kills the Bolton crew, does that mean he can't give orders to the Night's Watch? I mean, he can't have it both ways, can he?

Good point. I think they'll still follow him, seeing as he came back from the dead and has the Wildling support. Although to be honest, I think the Night's Watch is more or less redundant at this point. They're FAR too small in number to stop the White Walkers, and the Wildlings have already crossed the wall. After the White Walkers are defeated - which will probably happen eventually, unless Martin pulls an "absolutely everybody dies" ending -, the Night's Watch should probably be officially dissolved.

[Loony BoB]

Going on from that, Jon Snow - Lord Commander still, or dead and revived = can leave his post? What does he do? If he does leave his post, or kills the Bolton crew, does that mean he can't give orders to the Night's Watch? I mean, he can't have it both ways, can he?

Good point. I think they'll still follow him, seeing as he came back from the dead and has the Wildling support. Although to be honest, I think the Night's Watch is more or less redundant at this point. They're FAR too small in number to stop the White Walkers, and the Wildlings have already crossed the wall. After the White Walkers are defeated - which will probably happen eventually, unless Martin pulls an "absolutely everybody dies" ending -, the Night's Watch should probably be officially dissolved.
I think the Night's Watch can indeed be dissolved when that happens, but that's epilogue material. The White Walkers are final series stuff.

My general belief is that Jon Snow would see it as dishonourable to abandon his brothers, and would therefore still want to lead the Night's Watch as, well, the Night's Watch. But Ramsey attacking Castle Black could change his opinion of which rules apply to the Night's Watch - what Ramsey is doing is massivley taboo. Which once again makes me wonder how his army is going to react to all this. I mean, this is Stannis to an exponential degree when it comes to doing things that make your army want to abandon you.

[Psychotic]

Here's the answer to your Jon Snow conundrum BoB. He has kept his oath, he served until death. He can therefore do whatever the hell he wants. So he goes down to Winterfell with the Wildlings and remnants of Stark loyalist Northern houses to give that rotter Ramsay a jolly good thrashing. Knowing what the true threat is, he heads back up to the Wall, takes the black a second time and gets elected Lord Commander again.

Not that I necessarily expect all of that to happen by the way, just wanted to cut the Gordian (Meereenese) Knot.

[Fox]

I wonder if they'll pull some amnesia trout or something. Or the Red Woman brought the wrong soul back and actually it's Ned in Jon's body.

Also, what about all Jon's fatal injuries? I know, I know..." magic". But when she was doing her spell he still had all those cuts in him which presumably haven't healed on account of him being dead. I guess I'll just have to assume that the magic fixed the internal injuries to a sufficient extent unless a better explanation comes along.

Although maybe he'll just get up, stumble around in agony for a few minutes then die again.

[Loony BoB]

In order to be brought back from the dead, it's extremely safe to assume that their internal injuries are repaired and/or rendered redundant. Based on the fact that another dude has been brought back from the dead on multiple occasions, it would suggest the former rather than the latter.

[Jinx]

He'll always have the marks, but obviously (and don't ask to many questions...it's not a science show xD) he'll be functional enough to live.

I'm interested to see Jon's personality now that he's back. Something tells me there will be even fewer left of the Night's Watch once he's done. Jon Snow is not going to be the same man you knew before.

[Freya]

If Jon leaves as Lord Commander, Edd should become the new one. He survived the Fist of the first men, crasters, jon let him lead the top of the wall while he went down below so he was in charge there. He was at hardholme. Then he convinced the Wildlings to come back! He always thinks of the worst situation so he is prepared to survive when it happens! Edd for Lord Commander!

[Psychotic]

But what happens if Jon wants to drink something?

[Shaibana]

Looking forward to the net episode :3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y685gVGRQ98

who is the gift tho? :D

[Night Fury]

Theon?

[Shaibana]

Theon?

ow god, i surely hope not D:

[Psychotic]

Rickon. Ramsay said he has the Umbers onside and I'm p sure those were Umber banners...!

[Del Murder]

I'm still picking Rickon to sit the iron throne in the end.

[Psychotic]

No chance, he's gonna get flayed. The Stark family has gone two whole episodes without something atrocious happening to it.

[Kalevala]

Definitely Rickon. If we have to lose one Stark this season my money is on him.

[Shorty]

I don't think that Jon will be a different person. Thoros wasn't a different person when he was revived nineteen times or whatever, he was just a little changed each time he was brought back. And Thoros was revived with similar/possibly even the same magic. I think that - as mentioned - Ghost may have had a hand/paw in his revival. But it seems pretty clear from the final scene that he isn't an omnipotent being. The way he was gasping from a lack of air and how his eyes looked like they were genuinely confused or bewildered doesn't seem like a way they would introduce Azor Ahai. It's too mortal of an introduction and doesn't make sense.

I feel like if Jon were supposed to come back as Azor, we would have had a very strong indication that the being revived as Jon was not actually Jon. Instead, it just seemed like someone gave Jon CPR and he had a delayed wake up.

Dany is 11/10 Azor.

[Jinx]

Berric, not Thoros. Thoros was Berric's Mel.

[Shorty]

yeah that guy

[theundeadhero]

However it goes down, I'm hoping Ramsey ends up coming across Wun Wun. Let's see him being afraid, for once.

[Rantz]

68044

Rhaegar! Probs?

[Night Fury]

I feel like with the accent it's Ned again.

[Rantz]

I feel like with the accent it's Ned again.
Yeah that makes a lot more sense actually, I am dum.

Edit: I wonder who the Targs they're fighting are though?

[Jinx]

Yeah, not blonde enough to be Rhaegar.

[Freya]

Nah just kidding I aint spoiling things again. You'll find out! YOU'LL FIND OUT THEY WILL SHOW IT OBVIOUSLY!

[Bri]

I saw this and I just had to share with you all
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[Shaibana]

a tip for mothers day


http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adjw9dj_460sv.mp4

[Iceglow]

That would appear to be a young Ned Stark. I would wager that the fight you're "about to see" is actually at the Tower of Joy where the war ended in Dorne.


The combatants were:

Ned Stark accompanied by Howland Reed, Lord Willam Dustin, Ethan Glover, Martyn Cassel, Theo Wull and Ser Mark Ryswell

Versus 3 members of the Kingsguard:

Ser Arthur Dayne, Ser Oswell Whent and Lord Commander Gerold Hightower

Now, if that match up sounds unfair to you because there's 7 in Ned's band and only 3 of the Kingsguard, you should know that only Ned Stark and Howland Reed walked away from that and they were both wounded.

[FFNut]

My hope for the season is we get to see Ramsey die. Hopefully from the hands of the Iron Borns.

Edit: Would love to see the Sparrow die too. Come on Tomlin, grow some and start purging that city of those nuts!

[Shaibana]

My hope for the season is we get to see Ramsey die. Hopefully from the hands of the Iron Borns.

Edit: Would love to see the Sparrow die too. Come on Tomlin, grow some and start purging that city of those nuts!

i kind of dont want Ramsay to die.. i like him (as a villain)


im pretty sure that Tommen will grow a pair now (a Lannister pair to be exact) because he has alot of regret of not taking any action when his mother was imprisoned and shame-shame-shamed, and he wants his bride back
+ in the season trailer we could see Jamie with an army in front of the sept. so im sure trout will go down sooner or later

i think sweet little Tommen might become Cersei'ish.

[Bubba]

I've been watching the whole series again and Tommen died in series 3 when they had they same actor play Martyn Barratheon.

Tommen is the new Glenn

[FFNut]

2 more sleeps and a awkward lunch away from the next episode!

[Jinx]

I'm really excited. This will be the first time either myself or Denmark will watch this show live(ish). CAN'T WAIT.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aX91xGg_460s.jpg

[Jinx]

JON SNOW

HE SAID THE THING

Also, holy shit Rickon and Osha back on scene. Hooooly shit.

[Freya]

Poor shaggy dog :(

[The Captain]

Man, having us get Ned climbing the steps only to stop... talk about a tease. I think it's pretty obvious what he ends
up finding up there, but how much longer can they stretch it out? They keep saying Bran won't be there forever, so what could drive him out? Has to be the WW, right?

So long Jon Snow, was nice knowing you. Welcome to the world Jon Stark (for a while at least).

The Tyrion scene was hilarious though everything in Essos feels a bit like its just spinning its wheels. I'm glad they basically fast-forwarded Arya now, but where does she go from here? You just know she is eventually getting Needle back.

Also, did they basically just call the Mountain by name in this episode? I thought that was still a mystery?

Finally, I'm not sure what to make of the Umber scene. Is he really, truly joining Ramsay? Or is it part of a larger plot?

This episode was another in the move the chess pieces in to place, though it had its share of standout moments, especially involving the Wall.


Take care all.

[Pheesh]

Arya hyyyppeeee! A girl is going to kick some ass.

[Psychotic]

That best not be the real Shaggydog :colbert:

Also smurf you Olly, get some. :)

Also also, Arthur Dayne. Damn.

[Bubba]

Also also, Arthur Dayne. Damn.

Yeeeeeeaahhh! Flashbacks with Arthur Dayne! This is gonna be awe....and he's dead.

Also, it was nice of Jon to pass on the Lord Commander cloak. You'd think he'd pick up a replacement though before storming out the front door into a probable blizzard.

I thought the guy played Ned got him absolutely spot on.

So are we meant to believe that Bran can go back and affect the past now? I'm kind of hoping he changes things so the last five-and-a-half seasons didn't happen and the next episode is just Bobby Ewing in the shower.

[Shaibana]

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Also, did they basically just call the Mountain by name in this episode? I thought that was still a mystery?
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Gregor Clegain a.k.a The Mountain´s name has never been a mystery. from the start of the show its already been known that he is the Hound´s older brother :)

dammit, No mercy for te direwolves..

cant wait to see more of the past :3

and for he love of god... let Sansa and Jon reunite!!

im glad they didnt go for amnesia or changed personality at Jon :3

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aq5E27R_700b.jpg

[Psychotic]

So are we meant to believe that Bran can go back and affect the past now? I'm kind of hoping he changes things so the last five-and-a-half seasons didn't happen and the next episode is just Bobby Ewing in the shower.Theories already flying around about him having done just that. One that's popular on Reddit is Bran going to see the Mad King, telling him to stop being such a, y'know, Mad King, and yet hearing the disembodied voice of young Bran drives him to become just that.

[Jinx]

I concur, Bubba, about the dude who played young Ned. Denmark and I thought the same thing.

Also RE: Bran changing the past
I think it's always been fairly clear that he's at least going to attempt to do so. The Three-Eyed Raven tells him again and again that the can't, but why else would his story line be there, man? Also, Psy, that's an interesting theory. Since all of the Stark children (and likely Jon Snow too) would disappear from existence. That is, if Aerys stopped being a twat before he killed Brandon Stark.

[Freya]

If Jon leaves as Lord Commander, Edd should become the new one. He survived the Fist of the first men, crasters, jon let him lead the top of the wall while he went down below so he was in charge there. He was at hardholme. Then he convinced the Wildlings to come back! He always thinks of the worst situation so he is prepared to survive when it happens! Edd for Lord Commander!
Called it :cool:

Also anyone see the Rickon Theory? That the Umbers and him are setting the Boltons up? The wolf head seemed kinda small for a dire wolf.

[Slothy]

Would be kind of nice if they are. It should be obvious to just about anyone that you can't trust that guy and they know he murdered his father, stepmom and half brother.

[Formalhaut]

I hope so, because I don't want another Stark to be offed.

[Shaibana]

i would be a shame if he were to die so soon.. he just got back into the picture ffs

[Scotty_ffgamer]

Bah, I forgot to watch this last night. Gonna be 2 episodes behind when I get back from vacation.

[Rantz]

Re: Bran affecting the past, didn't he do something similar in the books, or am I misremembering? Only in the books I think he was watching from the perspective of a weirwood tree that Ned was praying to or something of the sort, and Ned took it to be the old gods saying something. I doubt him affecting the past will really be a thing - just doesn't feel like it fits with the world to me.

Loving Bran's flashbacks so far, either way. It's great to see some of the history you've heard about play out, although I thought Dayne fighting with two swords was a little showy - I mean come on :p

I really, really hope the Umber/Rickon stuff is a trick. Starks getting raw deals is beyond old, and I've definitely had enough of direwolfs being killed :colbert:


Arya hyyyppeeee! A girl is going to kick some ass.
I'm joining in with this hype. :hyper:

[Jinx]

Yeah, in the book it's Ned and Brandon in the weirwood ant Winterfell. He yells out 'father' and Ned reacts like he might have heard him.

[Psychotic]

It's great to see some of the history you've heard about play out, although I thought Dayne fighting with two swords was a little showy - I mean come on :pI sort of agree with this as I would've liked to have seen a bigger deal be made out of his book sword, Dawn. But then if you think about it, the choreography of the fight would've been a bit sluggish with him only able to take on one guy at a time.

[Rantz]

It's great to see some of the history you've heard about play out, although I thought Dayne fighting with two swords was a little showy - I mean come on :pI sort of agree with this as I would've liked to have seen a bigger deal be made out of his book sword, Dawn. But then if you think about it, the choreography of the fight would've been a bit sluggish with him only able to take on one guy at a time.
Yeah that's fair enough - but maybe they could have let Ser Gerold Hightower live a bit longer to make up for it. Definitely a nit-pick though, as it was a cool fight regardless.

[Shorty]

So are we meant to believe that Bran can go back and affect the past now? I'm kind of hoping he changes things so the last five-and-a-half seasons didn't happen and the next episode is just Bobby Ewing in the shower.Theories already flying around about him having done just that. One that's popular on Reddit is Bran going to see the Mad King, telling him to stop being such a, y'know, Mad King, and yet hearing the disembodied voice of young Bran drives him to become just that.

I like this theory a lot, especially the theory about Aerys being warned to "burn them all" regarding the white walkers but Aerys confuses it to just "burn everyone around me". I also really like a possible theory that Bran could have in fact caused young Willis to become Hodor by way of intercepting during the horsekick to the head.


I concur, Bubba, about the dude who played young Ned. Denmark and I thought the same thing.

Also RE: Bran changing the past
I think it's always been fairly clear that he's at least going to attempt to do so.

uhh, no? I think that it's kindof a stretch to say that before his visit to Ned praying in the books or this most recent episode that it's always been clear or obvious that Bran had anything to do with changing the past. It's not exactly as if we could have guessed this show would be going the way of time travel now.

Also, we're all on board with the cries from the Tower of Joy being the brand new baby Jon Snow, yes?

[blackmage_nuke]

I had a theory that Bran went back in time, took over the body of a pigeon and ate a lot of poison then was purposefully captured to be cooked into the pigeon pie at the purple wedding but that's probably not the case since they tied up all the loose ends.



and for he love of god... let Sansa and Jon reunite!!

Calling it now, Sansa and Jon bypass each other on the road and she goes all the way to The Wall only to find he is no longer there.

Also I know this is hard to hear regarding the sparrows but... This wouldn't have happened if Joffery was in charge

[Night Fury]

So are we meant to believe that Bran can go back and affect the past now? I'm kind of hoping he changes things so the last five-and-a-half seasons didn't happen and the next episode is just Bobby Ewing in the shower.Theories already flying around about him having done just that. One that's popular on Reddit is Bran going to see the Mad King, telling him to stop being such a, y'know, Mad King, and yet hearing the disembodied voice of young Bran drives him to become just that.

I like this theory a lot, especially the theory about Aerys being warned to "burn them all" regarding the white walkers but Aerys confuses it to just "burn everyone around me". I also really like a possible theory that Bran could have in fact caused young Willis to become Hodor by way of intercepting during the horsekick to the head.


I concur, Bubba, about the dude who played young Ned. Denmark and I thought the same thing.

Also RE: Bran changing the past
I think it's always been fairly clear that he's at least going to attempt to do so.

uhh, no? I think that it's kindof a stretch to say that before his visit to Ned praying in the books or this most recent episode that it's always been clear or obvious that Bran had anything to do with changing the past. It's not exactly as if we could have guessed this show would be going the way of time travel now.

Also, we're all on board with the cries from the Tower of Joy being the brand new baby Jon Snow, yes?

I think it was probably Lyanna in the midst of childbirth to new baby Jon Snow :)

[Jinx]

Yeah, it sounded like a woman screaming. I thought it was Lyanna giving birth.

And Shorty, I basically meant since we learned that Bran can visit the past with the Three-Eyed Raven. xD Although in season 3? Jojen telling Bran "you can see the past, future, present blah blah, but you can't change it" is, well, a tip that he can.

I do think the whole Aerys "burn them all" being a product of Bran trying to warn people about the White Walkers an interesting theory.

[Freya]

I think the big difference is that Bran is a greenseer AND a Warg. Maybe that's why he can affect the past while Jojen couldn't. Jojen wouldn't have know if it was possible because he couldn't.

[Shaibana]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1M6LPP_700b.jpg

[Jinx]

like two greyjoys in the night

(get it, get it????)

[Psychotic]

like two greyjoys in the night

(get it, get it????)no please explain the joke

edit: not sarcasm even

[Jinx]

like two greyjoys in the night

(get it, get it????)no please explain the joke

edit: not sarcasm even

like two ships passing in the night

greyjoys have ships

:shobon:

[Del Murder]

I hope Shaggydog isn't dead and it is all a big trick. I wasn't aware the Umbers turned on the Starks, but remembering all the minor houses is difficult. I hope Shaggydog and Ghost tag team on Ramsay and tear him to shreds. :)

Hanging the boy who turned on Jon was kind of cruel. He was just a kid! And his family died! Cut him some slack.

[Jinx]

Yeah, Olly's betrayal, I get. Wildlings killed his family. Some of the wildlings Jon befriended and was helping. I get it.

[Psychotic]

What pissed me off most about Olly was that he said "For the watch". Alliser Thorne saying that? Yes, absolutely, I fully believe that. But Olly? Bitch you've been in the Night's Watch for all of three days, don't even.

[Shaibana]

What pissed me off most about Olly was that he said "For the watch". Alliser Thorne saying that? Yes, absolutely, I fully believe that. But Olly? Bitch you've been in the Night's Watch for all of three days, don't even.

he just wants to be one of the big boys

[Psychotic]

Makes sense, Jon Snow isn't a big boy if Tormund is to be believed.

[Shaibana]

Bromance at its finest xD

[Formalhaut]

Though did you see the look on his face? The amount of pure scorn on his face was palpable.

[Jinx]

I said to Denmark when watching: you know who your real friends are. They're the ones who give you shit the first time they see you after you've been brought back to life after being dead.

Real friends are brutal to each other.

[Bubba]

Yeah, I totally understand Olly's hatred of the wildlings... but I'm sick of seeing his scowling face so I'm glad he's dead.

[Kalevala]

.

Also, did they basically just call the Mountain by name in this episode? I thought that was still a mystery?
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Gregor Clegain a.k.a The Mountain´s name has never been a mystery. from the start of the show its already been known that he is the Hound´s older brother :)

I think he meant the reveal of Robert Strong as The Mountain. That name drop kind of caught me by surprise as well. I mean, it's been pretty obvious to the viewer but not to the characters who weren't in on the "resurrection."

[Iceglow]

The show is not going down the Robert Strong route, they're quite openly going with "Qyburn did something to Gregor Clegane, fuck knows what but fuck me it scares me" route

[Slothy]

They didn't refer to him by his real name when he was first introduced though. I think people just aren't fooled because seriously, how many giant motherfuckers are there in Westeros?

[Del Murder]

Authors sometimes use the fact that books don't have a visual component to create some additional mysteries for the reader (like Barristan as Whitebeard). On the show we know what the characters look like so unless you use magic you won't be able to pull that over on us. So they don't bother with those 'mysteries'. As Vivi said, with Frankenmountain there's clearly no other character in the series with his stature and I don't think the viewers would be fooled or impressed by trying to hide who it is under that helmet. Since we aren't fooled, there's no real point in trying to fool the other characters, since, come on, that guy sticks out anywhere.

[Psychotic]

We've had a request for one of them thar temporary pop up forums on GoT/ASoIaF. You may remember we had one last year called Dothraki Wedding and it was great fun. What do you all think the name of this year's one should be?

[Formalhaut]

Pop-up forum sounds so middle-class, doesn't it? :p

A Dornish Family Gathering?

[Bubba]

A Subforum of Ice and Fire.

[Psychotic]

Pop-up forum sounds so middle-class, doesn't it? :pI wanna live like common people, wanna do whatever common people do, wanna use internet terminology like common people, I wanna use internet terminology like common people like you.

But Formy didn't understand. He just smiled and held my hand. :)

[Jinx]

'A Forum Has No Name'

[Formalhaut]

'A Forum Has No Name'

I personally approve of this.

[Mr. Carnelian]

'A Forum Has No Name'

I personally approve of this.

Agreed.

[Night Fury]

Why can't it be 'Drinking games with Greyworm and Missandei'?

[Loony BoB]

Just a reminder, if it hasn't happened in the TV series but has happened in the books, it doesn't matter if it was in the first book or the most recent, mark it as a book spoiler.

See the recent announcement for more details on how to handle spoiler tags.

[Shorty]

Also piping in about Olly being a little shit. I don't know why we were ever supposed to care about him in the first place. It seemed like he was supposed to be some sort of emotional ransom for the viewers but the little bastard was nothing more than a menace. He killed Ygritte and stabbed Jon Snow. He deserved to hang and I'm glad I don't have to see his stupid little face anymore.

[Formalhaut]

Also piping in about Olly being a little trout. I don't know why we were ever supposed to care about him in the first place. It seemed like he was supposed to be some sort of emotional ransom for the viewers but the little bastard was nothing more than a menace. He killed Ygritte and stabbed Jon Snow. He deserved to hang and I'm glad I don't have to see his stupid little face anymore.

Preach it.